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post #241 of 1729
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Originally Posted by jamesco411 View Post

Pen, do you happen to have a copy of The Dark Knight on Blu Ray? I've noticed flicker/judder during some of the fullscreen panning shots and I'm trying to figure out if its a result of poor 3:2 pulldown, some software/firmware problem with the c450s, or if thats just how the movie shows with most HDTVs at 24fps.

It has been a while since I watched that movie on this set (I only watched the one nighttime imax scene to test the blacks) I'll check it tonight to see if I see any odd judder.

Odds are it is just the limitation of 24p video, but I'll make sure just to be safe.
post #242 of 1729
i guess i posted my question in the wrong thread? sorry guys. il leave you alone to get back to the tech talk. thanks anyway.
post #243 of 1729
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Originally Posted by sidekicks View Post

hey pendragon i have a little situation here. ive been researching plasmas since i happen to be moving this weekend. i was interested in the c450 and i was ready to pull the trigger. then i came across this forum and saw your post about burn in from playing final fantasy 13. now im am all freaked out about making the purchase cause i happen to be playin this game right now ( hour 15) i was anticipating playing it on this 50 inch plasma after moving. but now i am to paranoid to make the purchase. i am not a picture fanatic i just want decent picture and large size. but since i play a lot of 360 this whole burn in thing has got me spooked. should i just go for it? or should i go with the panasonic of similar class? is there a way to prevent that burn in from happening? if i do make the purchase i will post feedback. i just really want your opinion on it first since you have it already. as an average tv person but constant gamer will this tv work for me? and how bad is the flickering blacks you were talking about on the all blank screen? is it so obvious that the average person would notice it and think ( this tv is cheap)? or is it just noticed by the people who have a better understanding of how these tvs should operate. i know i am ranting a little bit. its just that before i did this research i would have been happy with any cheap 50 inch plasma purchase like the x1 our 450. but as i learn more about it i am second guessing everything.. should i pull the trigger on the c450?

p.s. is this game ever gonna let me choose my party memebers?

Sorry I missed this post.

At this point with the lines, the IR levels, and the buzz I am seriously considering downsizing to a 40 inch LCD for a similar price. The flickering blacks are very odd but easily repeatable, I have no clue what is causing it but it is easily noticable, even more so after the sun sets (even with the lights on) This set has fantastic PQ for the price, but it just annoys me with all the little flaws.

And once you get to chapter 9 you have full control over your party choices. (it happens sometime in that chapter, Chapter 9 is also home to one of the hardest story bosses of the game)
post #244 of 1729
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

It has been a while since I watched that movie on this set (I only watched the one nighttime imax scene to test the blacks) I'll check it tonight to see if I see any odd judder.

Odds are it is just the limitation of 24p video, but I'll make sure just to be safe.

After doing some reading thats what I had been assuming was the case...normal limitations of 24fps video, but was just curious if others noticed it.
post #245 of 1729
Thread Starter 
Alright, I spoke with Samsung and they recommended that I get a refund on the set and send a letter to their corporate headquarters detailing what I don't like about their design decisions.

If I do get a refund I will be getting a 40inch LCD instead as I am pretty much done with the plasma tech at this point. (it feels like all Plasma TV makers are purposely trying to scare people off at this point)
post #246 of 1729
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Originally Posted by sidekicks View Post

hey pendragon i have a little situation here. ive been researching plasmas since i happen to be moving this weekend. i was interested in the c450 and i was ready to pull the trigger. then i came across this forum and saw your post about burn in from playing final fantasy 13. now im am all freaked out about making the purchase cause i happen to be playin this game right now ( hour 15) i was anticipating playing it on this 50 inch plasma after moving. but now i am to paranoid to make the purchase. i am not a picture fanatic i just want decent picture and large size. but since i play a lot of 360 this whole burn in thing has got me spooked. should i just go for it? or should i go with the panasonic of similar class? is there a way to prevent that burn in from happening? if i do make the purchase i will post feedback. i just really want your opinion on it first since you have it already. as an average tv person but constant gamer will this tv work for me? and how bad is the flickering blacks you were talking about on the all blank screen? is it so obvious that the average person would notice it and think ( this tv is cheap)? or is it just noticed by the people who have a better understanding of how these tvs should operate. i know i am ranting a little bit. its just that before i did this research i would have been happy with any cheap 50 inch plasma purchase like the x1 our 450. but as i learn more about it i am second guessing everything.. should i pull the trigger on the c450?

p.s. is this game ever gonna let me choose my party memebers?

I would be wary of any plasma with gaming aside from the Panasonics. I hear the Panasonics handle IR much better than Samsung and LG. I'm not a gamer, but if I were I would probably avoid plasmas outright. I've noticed that gamers dont just game here and there - its usually bouts up to 5+ hrs at a time. Also, video games have more static images than usual TV/Blu-Ray - even with the black bars, and tend to last longer (movies less than 2hrs long while gaming time can double/triple that.)

However, I keep my contrast at 75, brightness at 50 - energy saving off in the day and medium at night...and I haven't noticed any IR yet.

I have noticed some of the flaws/quirks Pen mentioned but to me those tend to be a touch on the "nitpicky" side and may cause grief with only the most discriminating viewers. I only see the black lines when I'm about a foot away or closer, only notice the black level flickering on commercial breaks (and its rare), and only hear the hum when my TV is muted or if the volume is quite low. All of these seem minute to me when PQ is this good, price is this low, and esp. when other sets in this range have their own quirks.
post #247 of 1729
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I can only see the lines at these distances.

Under 1 foot - I can see the spacers easily

1 foot to 3 foot - they blend into the pixel structure, looks like normal SDE

3 foot to 7 foot - they become incredibly obvious with each and every line being visible at all times

8 foot to 14 foot - they steadily become harder to see the farther back I move, but are still visible on certain content.

14.5 feet and back - I have yet to see them beyond this point.


As for the buzz, it is audible at 12 feet on quieter scenes and gets worse the brighter the set gets. (a blue sky with plenty of white clouds gets really loud)
This set buzzes far louder than the 54 inch Panasonic sets that I have had. (but still below the Kuro that I had)
post #248 of 1729
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

I can only see the lines at these distances.

Under 1 foot - I can see the spacers easily

1 foot to 3 foot - they blend into the pixel structure, looks like normal SDE

3 foot to 7 foot - they become incredibly obvious with each and every line being visible at all times

8 foot to 14 foot - they steadily become harder to see the farther back I move, but are still visible on certain content.

14.5 feet and back - I have yet to see them beyond this point.


As for the buzz, it is audible at 12 feet on quieter scenes and gets worse the brighter the set gets. (a blue sky with plenty of white clouds gets really loud)
This set buzzes far louder than the 54 inch Panasonic sets that I have had. (but still below the Kuro that I had)

I'm sure you see these lines, but sometimes people see something that is distracting and it's hard to get out of your brain that you see them, meaning, you almost force yourself to look for it because you know it's there....Pendrag0on, you need to relax, it's a TV, enjoy it for what it does no tv is perfect. Stop looking for these imperfections Also, I think you have dog hearing (which is good) I don't here a buzz at all. Maybe you had 2 defects in a row, disappointing, but possible. Remember, I kid because I can.
post #249 of 1729
I've logged quite a few hours in front of the TV. I'm still in the break in period so i'm keeping my contrast and brightness down...(around 60-70) So far I have not seen ANY image retention.... and I think the picture quality is amazing.

I do not notice the switching between infinite blacks and other blacks and I also do not see the lines Pen has been discussing or the screen door effect at all unless I'm closer then 5 feet or so....

The only gripe I have is the phospor trails, and I only see those when I'm playing MW2....Hopefully they will lessen over time, but if not, I can live w/ it.

I can't imagine there is a better deal out there on a TV of this size and I am throughly pleased with my purchase...I would say I game and watch TV about the same amount of time....Picture is great on both...minus the phosphor trails that is....
post #250 of 1729
I know this is a C450 thread but wanted to add my 2 cents. I just purchased the C550 this past Sunday and have buzzing/IR issues already. I have both brightness and contrast turned down to 50 in efforts to break in the TV. The set buzzes at low/normal viewing especially during brighter scenes. I have noticed the ESPN and History Channel logos retained even after only 30 minutes of viewing. I am scared to play my PS3 at this point or any wide screen movie at that. I only have about 40 hours on the set at this point and purchased the plasma break in DVD.

On the bright side, picture quality during the rare instances of normal contrast/brightness settings is wonderful. PQ is definitely an upgrade from my 40 inch 720p Samsung LCD.
post #251 of 1729
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I picked up my PN50C450 on Friday March 19th from BestBuy after months of research. In general I don't make purchases from BestBuy. I did the purchase online / pick up in store option and was very satisfied (I avoid sales people whenever possible :>). Sorry for the long review but it took me 4-5 months of research to pull the trigger on this TV. Here are my impressions.

Setup
Instructions on the box for removing the TV were clear. After a quick look at the assembly instructions (and sending my kids upstairs to play for 20 minutes) I screwed on the mounting bracket to the base. Just as I read on other reviews these screws did NOT go in easy. Samsung needs to address this as it doesn't instill confidence in the product when the first step in assembly has a minor glitch. Had a bit of a time getting the TV to lineup with the bracket (my issue not the TV). Put in the last 4 screws in the back and those went in much easier. Took a step back and looked at it, dude that thing is huge (large smile on my face)

Power On
Now the moment of truthIS IT GOING TO BUZZ? I powered it on and..not a sound to be heard totally silent! For a second I thought maybe I didn't power it on but the little musical tone went off indicating that it was on. This was my #1 concern with all the things I read about buzzing. My wife is partially blind and her hearing is more acute than most people. I didn't mention anything about the buzzing issue (kind of as a test) and she never said a thing about it. Maybe I got lucky, maybe I just can't hear a buzz or maybe it's not as much as an issue as everyone keeps saying? Sure, I stuck my head behind the TV over the next few days and really tried to listen for a buzzing sound. I found if I got on a stool and put my ear really close to the top of the TV (careful it gets hot) I could hear the sound of electricity same as my old CRT TV. IN SHORT NO BUZZING.

Connecting Stuff
HDMI: After some research about the whole HDMI controversy (Monster vs cheap cable) Cnet put everything in perspective for me, it's digital, just get the cheapest cable you can find. Believe it or not BigLots had a gold plated 6' long HDMI cable for $12.00 (BestBuy's least expensive was $29.99). So I picked up one HDMI cable, 4 cans of diced tomatoes, yellow mustard and a 6 pack of root beer (God Bless America).
I connected the HDMI to my U-verse box and immediately went to the first HD channel I could find. I then switch to the corresponding SD channel and flipped back and forth several times. It's a big difference between SD and HD (although my kids and my wife didn't seem to care, but they have not yet given into HD madness).
I then connected my Wii with the standard cables it came with. The picture was obviously not HD but that was to be expected with the Wii. PQ was fine for gaming. The new Super Mario Brothers is way more fun (4 player mode) when you have so much digital real-estate to play on. I think I'm going to pick up a set of component cables from ebay to see if it helps the picture. Overall the PQ was fine for gaming.
I don't have a Blu-Ray player yet so I did a test with my DVD player. Movies looked good after fussing with the screen size settings. I know Blu-ray DVD up scaling will be a significant improvement.
I also need to pick up an antenna so I can get OTA HD channels. From what I've read the OTA signal is not compressed (like my U-verse signal) so I'm excited to see what kind of results I can get.

TV Viewing and Settings
Right out of the box in Standard Mode the picture looked kind of dark and the colors were kind of flat. I then scrolled through to Movie mode. That was much better but still the colors were not super impressive. Then I switch to Dynamic..who the heck came up with this setting? Very bright and colors looked like a carnival. Unfortunately dynamic is the mode for choice for my kids when they play the Wii. I guess that would be the only time you would need this setting.
In order to get the best picture I took the advice of many of you and tweaked the movie mode settings. Thank you (PENDRAG0ON) and others for posting the custom settings. They worked great!! I think I still need to bump down the skin tone setting one more notch but I'm very happy with the way it looks.
There is a lot of talk about Black Lines, Screen Doors, Dither etc.. I don't seem to have any of these issues (maybe ignorance is bliss?). I do get a little pixilation on HD channels sometimes but I think that has more to do with my HD signal being compressed (thanks AT&T). I guess the Blu-ray test will be the only way to verify it's just my U-verse connecting and not the TV it's self. In general it's not a deal breaker for me.

Glare: I have the TV in a corner of our room that has a window flanking the left of the TV and a sliding glass door facing from the other room. Sure you get some glare in the middle of the day but if you just draw the curtains (and I'm not talking about black-out shades, just normal curtains) its fine. At certain angles at night I can see a lamp or kitchen light reflecting on the screen. I've found that most lights have these things called switches which allow you to turn them on/off. That seems to solve the problem :>)

Image Burn: This was another major concern I had prior to purchasing plasma in general. I've come to the conclusion that as long as you don't spend 5 hours straight playing COD4 with the brightness up to 100, image burn is not an issue. I'd say our family is average when it comes to TV use. We've played the Wii and watched movies/TV and over the last week I have never seen any indication of image burn (and trust me I've been looking for it). And NO I didn't run any break in DVD's either.

Sound: With the way people complain about the sound I thought it was going to be like listening to the TV via a tin can and string. Do the speakers compare to a separate surround sound system running from a receiver.NO. Are you going to hear chest thumping bass when you watch a movieNO. Relax people, the sound on the TV is just fine. All of my u-verse TV viewing is done exclusively via the TV speakers right now. I watched a concert the other night and I thought it sounded great. The Wii and DVD are currently running through my receiver and 5 speakers and yes it sounds better through that. But that is to be expected.

General PQ: The real test was last Sunday night when Discovery showed their LIFE series. The whole family sat down to watch our new Plasma. It was ideal viewing with a pitch black room (it felt just like a movie theater) I actually heard one of my kids gasp because it looked so real. My youngest wasn't too happy with all the HD close ups of bugs and kept his hands over his eyes because it looked too real. I personally couldn't believe how clear the picture was. I'm finding out that not all HD channels are the same. Some have great HD and some are so/so. That's more of the fault of u-verse and the compression they use on their HD channels. But after watching that I was sold!!!! I know that Blu-ray is going to be equal if not better than this experience. 720P: When I was in BestBuy this TV was right next to a 1080P TV and you could see a little bit more details when you were 2-3' away. But at 8-9' (my TV viewing) I couldn't see the difference. NON ISSUE FOR ME. But how are the Blacks you ask?: wouldn't you know that the blacks lookwell..black (not grey). Very happy.

Gripes: I use my u-verse remote to watch TV. I only use the Samsung remote to switch inputs or change the screen setting. The Samsung remote is about as responsive as molasses in January. I'm not sure where they put the stupid sensor for the TV but it must be under the base. Switching from SD to HD shows and visa/versa and dealing with the different screen formats is a pain. HD looks great in 16:9 but then the SD shows are not full screen so you have to flip fit to screen to fix that. All of this screen gymnastics is getting old. I wish there was a setting to say, hello TVjust fill the screen for me to give me the best possible picture. Swivel would be nice as it takes 2 people to swivel the TV manually. Since I don't have the component cables for my Wii I have to swap the DVD and Wii between the 1 in-put that supports them. I wish it had 1 more set of composite connections on the side. For now that's about it. Oh yeah one more thing. I watch way too much TV now!

Conclusion: So far I love this TV. The only issue now is competing for screen time between the Kids/wife. I'm glad I got the 50 as I know I would not have been happy with the 42. For the price I don't think you can go wrong with this TV.
post #252 of 1729
Rusty, the component cables will make the Wii look a lot better IMO.
post #253 of 1729
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Originally Posted by rustygrizwald View Post

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General PQ: The real test was last Sunday night when Discovery showed their LIFE series. The whole family sat down to watch our new Plasma. It was ideal viewing with a pitch black room (it felt just like a movie theater) I actually heard one of my kids gasp because it looked so real. My youngest wasn't too happy with all the HD close ups of bugs and kept his hands over his eyes because it looked too real. I personally couldn't believe how clear the picture was. I'm finding out that not all HD channels are the same. Some have great HD and some are so/so. That's more of the fault of u-verse and the compression they use on their HD channels. But after watching that I was sold!!!! I know that Blu-ray is going to be equal if not better than this experience. 720P: When I was in BestBuy this TV was right next to a 1080P TV and you could see a little bit more details when you were 2-3' away. But at 8-9' (my TV viewing) I couldn't see the difference. NON ISSUE FOR ME. But how are the Blacks you ask?: wouldn't you know that the blacks lookwell..black (not grey). Very happy.

Blu-Ray will look even better than compressed HD, as will OTA HD. OTA HD still has some compression in the signal, but much less than a U-Verse or similar HD programming. Most of the artifcacts you see are the result of the compression - every TV will show it, and it will change from channel-channel and program/program...

The blacks are good on this set. I'm surprised how black they are in daylight/room light...A totally dark room brightens up the blacks noticeably (you can/will notice moreso on Blu-Ray w/the black bars), but it also adds depth to the colors and reduces glare.

You are also correct on the cleanliness of the image. My c450 is very clean/crisp/sharp, but not that type of fake looking sharpness I tend to see on my LCD....The only issue I'm having with mine is taking it back due to a dead pixel - I'd hate to get another one with another dead pixel or one with a big buzzing problem. I think I'll keep it for now and try Samsung.
post #254 of 1729
Evan97TJ: Thanks for the tip. I was kind of on the fence about the Wii cables but I'll get them now for sure.

jamesco411: Thanks for the input on the Blu-ray and the compressed HD signals. You are right that its different channel to channel. It seems like this whole HD Broadcast thing is still in it's infancy stage. I'm sure in a few years we'll all be laughing at how bad the HD looked "back then".
post #255 of 1729
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Evan97TJ: Thanks for the tip. I was kind of on the fence about the Wii cables but I'll get them now for sure.

Get them from monoprice, I made the mistake of over paying for the official Nintendo component cables, they work fine, but the Monoprice cables are virtually the same and quite a bit less money.


And an update on my FFXIII IR, I have been playing the game off and on since I beat it CP grinding so I can take on the super bosses of the game, and last night I checked for the IR the game left and only found the faintest traces of the battle menu. So it does go away, it just takes forever.

I'm thinking that I might just use this Plasma as a guinea pig for burn-in since it gets IR so much easier than a Panasonic Plasma, time for some black bar movies to be thrown in with my already unrestrained gaming habits.
post #256 of 1729
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Get them from monoprice, I made the mistake of over paying for the official Nintendo component cables, they work fine, but the Monoprice cables are virtually the same and quite a bit less money.

Thanks for the Monoprice tip. Those prices look way better. I'm in for 1
post #257 of 1729
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

Alright, I spoke with Samsung and they recommended that I get a refund on the set and send a letter to their corporate headquarters detailing what I don't like about their design decisions.

If I do get a refund I will be getting a 40inch LCD instead as I am pretty much done with the plasma tech at this point. (it feels like all Plasma TV makers are purposely trying to scare people off at this point)

Pendragon, I've been following some of your posts and they've been a great help to me as I try to figure out which TV to buy this year.

If I could make a comment as a current LCD owner (LG LH 20 and 30) who's about to get a plasma -- I'm looking at LG PK750 atm -- after a year long delay. I sense from your posts that you're after good PQ. I think you might be very disappointed in LCD and could be in for some major agony when it comes to bringing in the sets and auditioning them.

Putting aside black levels and screen uniformity issues (which can be worse than plasma) there is a motion blur problem, which I've found to be a totally serious, movie-ruining visual artifact. It crops up during almost every pan of the camera and is very apparent even when I'm not looking for it. I mean, I find the motion blur absolutely obtrusive. Worse, there's no way to correct this on LCD without fundamentally spoiling the frame rate of film (like going to some form of frame interpolation). It's just to exchange one visual artifact for another. Maybe for sports and soap operas it doesn't matter so much but for anything at 24fps forget it.

For games use there's no image retention but obvious motion blur especially in 60fps games like Wipeout. However there's no image doubling artifact at 30fps like you get on CRT and plasma.

Anyway, I don't mean to try to tell you how to suck eggs, but I think a move from plasma to LCD is like going from Jaguar to Datsun. Sure, Jags can be lemons and they spend time in the shop but the Datsun never performs very well. Just my 0.02.
post #258 of 1729
are only hope now is the Samsung 50C6500 for a budget 50" Plasma that is worth buying.

the LG PK950 is nothing special... AV reviews on it came out today... they like the Panasonic G20 better. and the G20 blacks will tripple... so I would also stay away from the G20

or wait for 2011 because this will be the year of the Plasma!!

well the last couple of years Pioneer was the one to buy... but the good deals are now over. and they no longer make TV's!
post #259 of 1729
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

are only hope now is the Samsung 50C6500 for a budget 50" Plasma that is worth buying.

the LG PK950 is nothing special... AV reviews on it came out today... they like the Panasonic G20 better. and the G20 blacks will tripple... so I would also stay away from the G20

or wait for 2011 because this will be the year of the Plasma!!

well the last couple of years Pioneer was the one to buy... but the good deals are now over. and they no longer make TV's!

These sets are worth buying for the price they are selling at, they just have a lot of quirks and I seem to be the only one that can see and hear these problems.
post #260 of 1729
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

are only hope now is the Samsung 50C6500 for a budget 50" Plasma that is worth buying.

the LG PK950 is nothing special... AV reviews on it came out today... they like the Panasonic G20 better. and the G20 blacks will tripple... so I would also stay away from the G20

or wait for 2011 because this will be the year of the Plasma!!

well the last couple of years Pioneer was the one to buy... but the good deals are now over. and they no longer make TV's!

A $1600-$1800 dollar 50" plasma is a "budget plasma" ?? I'd like to be swapped into your income bracket for a few days lol
post #261 of 1729
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

These sets are worth buying for the price they are selling at, they just have a lot of quirks and I seem to be the only one that can see and hear these problems.

You are right, although I only have two of the problems. I hear the buzz and get a lot of IR compared to my Panasonic.

I NEVER had any problems with IR on my panasonic when watching letterboxed movies. This thing is brand new but I was amazed how fast it got it watching a bluray last night. I ran the scrolling bar thing and it went away quickly.

It still buzzes some, but I can live with it.

Now, if I had paid 1300 or 1700 or some other price for this thing I would take it back in a heartbeat.

For the price and for me having a nearly perfect picture out of the box, it is a steal.

The picture was so good I had to go back downstairs and mess with my Panasonic because the Samsung looked amazing. Neither is calibrated but I turned the brightness way down on my Panny and it is much better.

That chameleon on that Life show with Oprah that was mentioned was awesome, the colors were amazing.
post #262 of 1729
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Originally Posted by jamesco411 View Post

a $1600-$1800 dollar 50" plasma is a "budget plasma" ?? I'd like to be swapped into your income bracket for a few days lol

+1
post #263 of 1729
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Originally Posted by rustygrizwald View Post

Evan97TJ: Thanks for the tip. I was kind of on the fence about the Wii cables but I'll get them now for sure.

jamesco411: Thanks for the input on the Blu-ray and the compressed HD signals. You are right that its different channel to channel. It seems like this whole HD Broadcast thing is still in it's infancy stage. I'm sure in a few years we'll all be laughing at how bad the HD looked "back then".

One thing to remember when using Uverse with HDMI, sometimes you can get blacks crushed, Uverse tends to have a 'darker' overall picture when using HDMI. Using component cables, will eliminate the black crush and overall darker picture.
post #264 of 1729
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Originally Posted by rustygrizwald View Post

First Post

I picked up my PN50C450 on Friday March 19th from BestBuy after months of research. In general I don't make purchases from BestBuy. I did the purchase online / pick up in store option and was very satisfied (I avoid sales people whenever possible :>). Sorry for the long review but it took me 4-5 months of research to pull the trigger on this TV. Here are my impressions.

Setup
Instructions on the box for removing the TV were clear. After a quick look at the assembly instructions (and sending my kids upstairs to play for 20 minutes) I screwed on the mounting bracket to the base. Just as I read on other reviews these screws did NOT go in easy. Samsung needs to address this as it doesn't instill confidence in the product when the first step in assembly has a minor glitch. Had a bit of a time getting the TV to lineup with the bracket (my issue not the TV). Put in the last 4 screws in the back and those went in much easier. Took a step back and looked at it, dude that thing is huge (large smile on my face)

Power On
Now the moment of truthIS IT GOING TO BUZZ? I powered it on and..not a sound to be heard totally silent! For a second I thought maybe I didn't power it on but the little musical tone went off indicating that it was on. This was my #1 concern with all the things I read about buzzing. My wife is partially blind and her hearing is more acute than most people. I didn't mention anything about the buzzing issue (kind of as a test) and she never said a thing about it. Maybe I got lucky, maybe I just can't hear a buzz or maybe it's not as much as an issue as everyone keeps saying? Sure, I stuck my head behind the TV over the next few days and really tried to listen for a buzzing sound. I found if I got on a stool and put my ear really close to the top of the TV (careful it gets hot) I could hear the sound of electricity same as my old CRT TV. IN SHORT NO BUZZING.

Connecting Stuff
HDMI: After some research about the whole HDMI controversy (Monster vs cheap cable) Cnet put everything in perspective for me, it's digital, just get the cheapest cable you can find. Believe it or not BigLots had a gold plated 6' long HDMI cable for $12.00 (BestBuy's least expensive was $29.99). So I picked up one HDMI cable, 4 cans of diced tomatoes, yellow mustard and a 6 pack of root beer (God Bless America).
I connected the HDMI to my U-verse box and immediately went to the first HD channel I could find. I then switch to the corresponding SD channel and flipped back and forth several times. It's a big difference between SD and HD (although my kids and my wife didn't seem to care, but they have not yet given into HD madness).
I then connected my Wii with the standard cables it came with. The picture was obviously not HD but that was to be expected with the Wii. PQ was fine for gaming. The new Super Mario Brothers is way more fun (4 player mode) when you have so much digital real-estate to play on. I think I'm going to pick up a set of component cables from ebay to see if it helps the picture. Overall the PQ was fine for gaming.
I don't have a Blu-Ray player yet so I did a test with my DVD player. Movies looked good after fussing with the screen size settings. I know Blu-ray DVD up scaling will be a significant improvement.
I also need to pick up an antenna so I can get OTA HD channels. From what I've read the OTA signal is not compressed (like my U-verse signal) so I'm excited to see what kind of results I can get.

TV Viewing and Settings
Right out of the box in Standard Mode the picture looked kind of dark and the colors were kind of flat. I then scrolled through to Movie mode. That was much better but still the colors were not super impressive. Then I switch to Dynamic..who the heck came up with this setting? Very bright and colors looked like a carnival. Unfortunately dynamic is the mode for choice for my kids when they play the Wii. I guess that would be the only time you would need this setting.
In order to get the best picture I took the advice of many of you and tweaked the movie mode settings. Thank you (PENDRAG0ON) and others for posting the custom settings. They worked great!! I think I still need to bump down the skin tone setting one more notch but I'm very happy with the way it looks.
There is a lot of talk about Black Lines, Screen Doors, Dither etc.. I don't seem to have any of these issues (maybe ignorance is bliss?). I do get a little pixilation on HD channels sometimes but I think that has more to do with my HD signal being compressed (thanks AT&T). I guess the Blu-ray test will be the only way to verify it's just my U-verse connecting and not the TV it's self. In general it's not a deal breaker for me.

Glare: I have the TV in a corner of our room that has a window flanking the left of the TV and a sliding glass door facing from the other room. Sure you get some glare in the middle of the day but if you just draw the curtains (and I'm not talking about black-out shades, just normal curtains) its fine. At certain angles at night I can see a lamp or kitchen light reflecting on the screen. I've found that most lights have these things called switches which allow you to turn them on/off. That seems to solve the problem :>)

Image Burn: This was another major concern I had prior to purchasing plasma in general. I've come to the conclusion that as long as you don't spend 5 hours straight playing COD4 with the brightness up to 100, image burn is not an issue. I'd say our family is average when it comes to TV use. We've played the Wii and watched movies/TV and over the last week I have never seen any indication of image burn (and trust me I've been looking for it). And NO I didn't run any break in DVD's either.

Sound: With the way people complain about the sound I thought it was going to be like listening to the TV via a tin can and string. Do the speakers compare to a separate surround sound system running from a receiver.NO. Are you going to hear chest thumping bass when you watch a movieNO. Relax people, the sound on the TV is just fine. All of my u-verse TV viewing is done exclusively via the TV speakers right now. I watched a concert the other night and I thought it sounded great. The Wii and DVD are currently running through my receiver and 5 speakers and yes it sounds better through that. But that is to be expected.

General PQ: The real test was last Sunday night when Discovery showed their LIFE series. The whole family sat down to watch our new Plasma. It was ideal viewing with a pitch black room (it felt just like a movie theater) I actually heard one of my kids gasp because it looked so real. My youngest wasn't too happy with all the HD close ups of bugs and kept his hands over his eyes because it looked too real. I personally couldn't believe how clear the picture was. I'm finding out that not all HD channels are the same. Some have great HD and some are so/so. That's more of the fault of u-verse and the compression they use on their HD channels. But after watching that I was sold!!!! I know that Blu-ray is going to be equal if not better than this experience. 720P: When I was in BestBuy this TV was right next to a 1080P TV and you could see a little bit more details when you were 2-3' away. But at 8-9' (my TV viewing) I couldn't see the difference. NON ISSUE FOR ME. But how are the Blacks you ask?: wouldn't you know that the blacks lookwell..black (not grey). Very happy.

Gripes: I use my u-verse remote to watch TV. I only use the Samsung remote to switch inputs or change the screen setting. The Samsung remote is about as responsive as molasses in January. I'm not sure where they put the stupid sensor for the TV but it must be under the base. Switching from SD to HD shows and visa/versa and dealing with the different screen formats is a pain. HD looks great in 16:9 but then the SD shows are not full screen so you have to flip fit to screen to fix that. All of this screen gymnastics is getting old. I wish there was a setting to say, hello TVjust fill the screen for me to give me the best possible picture. Swivel would be nice as it takes 2 people to swivel the TV manually. Since I don't have the component cables for my Wii I have to swap the DVD and Wii between the 1 in-put that supports them. I wish it had 1 more set of composite connections on the side. For now that's about it. Oh yeah one more thing. I watch way too much TV now!

Conclusion: So far I love this TV. The only issue now is competing for screen time between the Kids/wife. I'm glad I got the 50 as I know I would not have been happy with the 42. For the price I don't think you can go wrong with this TV.

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Originally Posted by Evan97TJ View Post

Rusty, the component cables will make the Wii look a lot better IMO.


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Yeah definitely get component cables for the wii. It's like night and day. I just got them earlier this year and I've had my wii for about 3 years, I didn't know about them so imagine my surprise. There is also an option under wii settings where you can choose to reduce/turn off burn in image retention. I just upgraded my drv to hddvr in anticipation and the channels are so much better. Also you can get a hdmi cable for less than $3 on ebay. I went to walmart and their cheapest was like $20 but lo and behold the mighty ebay. Hhgregg tried to sell me some $50 cables and I was like gtfo. I got my tv last saturday but when I got it home and set up the right half of my tv had white vertical bars going through it so I took it back and now I have to wait until April 10th to get another unless they get a new shipment in. I can't believe how hard it was to get the stand in, I tried doing it manually and ending up having to go buy a power drill and drillbit but it stripped the screws so how did you get it in manually?
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As some have already stated; check out monoprice.com for the wii component cables. I believe mine cost less than $4 and work fine.
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Yeah definitely get component cables for the wii. It's like night and day. I just got them earlier this year and I've had my wii for about 3 years, I didn't know about them so imagine my surprise. There is also an option under wii settings where you can choose to reduce/turn off burn in image retention. I just upgraded my drv to hddvr in anticipation and the channels are so much better. Also you can get a hdmi cable for less than $3 on ebay. I went to walmart and their cheapest was like $20 but lo and behold the mighty ebay. Hhgregg tried to sell me some $50 cables and I was like gtfo. I got my tv last saturday but when I got it home and set up the right half of my tv had white vertical bars going through it so I took it back and now I have to wait until April 10th to get another unless they get a new shipment in. I can't believe how hard it was to get the stand in, I tried doing it manually and ending up having to go buy a power drill and drillbit but it stripped the screws so how did you get it in manually?

speeddmon: I did go into the Wii setting and turn on the anti image retention. I'm guessing that couldn't hurt.

Bummer having to wait till April for another TV. These seem to see out quite fast but Samsung seems to be doing a decent job pumping them out.

SCREWS: I was so tempted to get my power drill and just power all the screws in but I was afraid I would have stripped them. All I can say is that I put a lot of pressure on the screw and just went slow. I ended up switching screw drivers as the first one was a little too fat and couldn't grip the head that well? Anyway....Samsung needs to fix this ASAP.
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One thing to remember when using Uverse with HDMI, sometimes you can get blacks crushed, Uverse tends to have a 'darker' overall picture when using HDMI. Using component cables, will eliminate the black crush and overall darker picture.

Chris100: I didn't know that. I think I've compensated for that with my settings but I would be good to see the difference with component cables. I think I'll order a pair when I get my Wii cables and see if it helps. Thanks for the Tip!
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Movie Mode.

Cell Light = 10
Contrast = 75
Brightness = 50
Sharpness = 0
Color = 42
Tint G42/R58

Advanced
Black Tone = Off
Dynamic Contrast = Off
Gamma 0
Fleshtone = +1
Edge Enhancement = Off

Color Temp = Warm 1
DNF = Off

White:
20
25
15
25
05
25

Energy Save: Off

Here are my current settings, they are a combo of my old settings and Leetthal's. My settings are a little cooler than his and has less of the "green" look that the warm color temp is famous for. It also greatly eliminated the black level fluctuations.
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i was looking at this TV in store and it was sitting by a Sharp LCD. Everytime text would come on the screen, you could see the jagged edges on the Samsung, but it looked smooth on the sharp. Is this normal?
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Originally Posted by cumbaya19 View Post

i was looking at this TV in store and it was sitting by a Sharp LCD. Everytime text would come on the screen, you could see the jagged edges on the Samsung, but it looked smooth on the sharp. Is this normal?

This Samsung is only 768p, the Sharp is a 1080p set.
Odds are the signal was 1080i
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