3d Hdmi through Denon 2808

It most likely will. If a receiver is doing any processing of video (other than just switching it and sending the selected video to the display) it won't know what to do with the 3D signal. I also know from experience that Denon receivers only pass digital level 16 to 234. No blacker than black (makes setting proper black level more difficult) and no whither than white (hard to find the optimum peak white + loss of highlight detail).

For 3D BD:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1231167

I believe that some Denon models can be set this way (my comments on the Denon were based on experiences with some calibration customers) - but I am not sure. HOWEVER, even if you could set it not to process video that does not mean that it would pass the 3D video signals.


I understand your problem. Apparently you already have the Denon and a PS3, and are anticipating using that for 3D Blu-ray. One approach that may work (it has been the subject of much speculation) is to use a powered splitter (such as this) to feed the 3D video to the display and separately to the AVR. These powered splitters basically pass the EDID data (thats the information that tells the source what types of signal it can handle) from the display connected to the primary output back to the source and duplicates the primary output on the secondary output. As they are not actively processing the EDID data, it should pass the added 3D EDID data back without issue.

However, one potential "fly in the ointment" is what the display sends back for audio information, and how the source deals with it. There are likely to be variations on both ends (so what works with one particular pair of components may not work on another). Fortunately, the source of these splitters that I linked have a good return policy - so don't purchase one until you have all components in place (you don't want to let the 21 day return period to time out).

IF . . . .

A powered splitter preserves the signal intact meaning the EDID is intact in both signals and the PS3 3D FW UP adds new EDID which is used for 3D BD and it's 1920x2205 "block" frame to allow the new frame to leave the PS3 via it's HDMI output which is now "1.4" compliant as far as 3D BD is concerned. . .

That signal is now on it's way to the receiver which has a 1.3 HDMI chip in it - the HDMI Input. IF that 1.3 Input chip acts as a "gatekeeper" to complete the HDCP handshake necessary to allow the signal to continue on into the receiver to be processed, it won't recognize the signal. It isn't "hardware programed" to recognize a 1920x2205 signal that is meant for a 3DTV.

Lee, A lot of your misunderstanding of HDMI is showing through here. But there is no point in arguing with you.

PERIOD

If you believe I am wrong, then please correct me in a civil and respectful manner

Links are always helpful.

maybe this will shed some light on the 1.3 hdmi issue.

as far as the denon, there would have to be some type of update for it to pass the 3d information to the tv.

Can older HDMI (v.1.0 - 1.3) devices be firmware-upgraded to take advantage of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4?


http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdm...1_4_faq.aspx#7

Despite the nay-sayers (a lot of people really don't know how HDMI works), the technique with the splitter may just work. Just don't buy the splitter till you have the PS3 upgrade and the 3D TV.

The problem is that the 3D stuff isn't here yet and manufacturers are talking about configurations that they know will work (Panasonic's 3D player, Sony's AVR receivers, etc.). That does not mean that other approaches might work.

Plan C would be to forgo the newest audio formats on 3D only. Several ways to do that (the simplest involves changing HDMI connectors).

there is some other information about the 1.3 that you might find helpfull

AFAIK the 3D blu-ray players will provide multiple output formats which will include the Full HD 3D(THD3D) format requiring HDMI 1.4 hardware chip support, 2D 1080p/24 format as recorded on current Blu-Ray disks using the 3D BR disk content for only one eye, and a 3D format which which will work over HDMI 1.3 such as the one currently used by the PS3 but which will not provide 1080p content for each eye.

That article is . . . .

Yet another random Internet posting. As you well know, you can find (and link) anything you want from the Internet.

Currently, HDMI 1.3 has twice the bandwidth required by Blu-ray. Therefore, 3D Blu-rays with their 2 views (one for each eye) will work with HDMI 1.3 provided the handshaking requirements (infoframe and EDID) are updated at both ends and the player can decode the two streams.

Most people don't know that Blu-ray does not support 1080p60. Therefore they assume that HDMI 1.3 would need to support 1080p120 for 3D Blu-rays. Blu-ray maxes out at 1080p24 and 1080i60.

And what is the possibility of this? See my post above #11

That's a good question. The PS3 contains the oldest HDMI 1.3 chip there is (in fact it is a special version of an HDMI 1.2 chip). If Sony says it can be done in the PS3, then I would think it could be done elsewhere as well.

Bandwidth is not the issus buffer resolution is. See the following link:

http://hdguru.com/3d-hdtv-and-hdmi-explained/1336/

This is also the reason that an HDMI 1.3 chip can not be upgraded using firmware.

I don't see anything in that article that disputes what I wrote. If the receiver can be upgraded, like the PS3, then it should work.

But the PS3 has the Cell BE. It is all software based. No other CE device has one.

It appears if you want to keep your current Denon AVR and want to still use it for decoding he lossless BD audio then your best bet may be to replace the PS3 with one of the new standalone Blu-ray 3D players (i.e., Panasonic DMP-BDT350) that has 2 HDMI outputs with one specifically intended for audio (using HDMI 1.3) while the second HDMI is full HDMI 1.4 (to go directly to the 3D HDTV).

Maybe (maybe not).

Not to get into this 3D discussion per se, rather just to comment that the Denon AVRs do indeed pass BTB/WTW full range video signals and most certainly the 2808 does as noted in the Owners Manual (p. 28). Now whether the TV's you were working with actually accepted the signal is another thing all together.

Yes Dave, I am curious which specific Denon models you were working with as I have confirmed proper BTB/WTW signals pass through Denons of three different gens (AVR 888, 789 and now 2310) and others (including JD) have reported the same. I have multiple calibration discs and multiple sources (HD DVD, PS3, standalone BDP).

You are the first person I have heard to claim BTB/WTW clipping with Denon AVR's. Since you are an ISF calibrator you obviously know what you are doing so I am really interested in what specific models you were using.

I'd like to be able to tell you which model too. I don't normally keep records of the exact configuration that my calibration customers have. I do recall that the customer knew about the issue in advance. He also said that "better" models had modes where this could be bypassed. It was not an issue (though I would prefer to know that above white highlights were not clipped) for the customer.