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post #1411 of 8511
4/16/10 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by realgone View Post

Will these TV's ever become available in a larger size than 54"?

My boyfriend is telling me that is slightly too small. No larger than 60" but larger than 54" I guess would be ideal, but I am kind of set on getting the G-series.


The Series lineup is already established. If you want a 58" you will have to go with another Panasonic Series, either V or S series

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/viera/u...on_plasma.html
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post #1412 of 8511
4/16/10 at 6:50pm
I've read that the plasma buzz can be caused by altitude, so what i'd like to do to try and figure out why some people have it bad and some hardly at all (minus acute hearing) is to get everyone to post their altitude and how bad their buzzing is. It really only needs to be to the nearest 100ft. So instead of 1987ft above sea level call it 2000ft. Here goes :-)


Altitude = 1700 ft
Buzz = only listening closely behind the tv.
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post #1413 of 8511
4/16/10 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by coolpoint View Post

Hi guys,

does anybody have PC/HTPC connected to G20/G25 via HDMI? I have my Radeon 5850 connected via HDMI cable to my TX-P42G20E.

When I set aspect ratio to: Automatic or 16:9 I am able to see whole PC desktop but there is like 2cm black bar all around. When I switch to Zoom, zoomed desktop fulfills whole TV display and there are no bars at all.

I have tried several HDMI ports, cables, reinstalled drivers, tried many setting but nothing helped

Thanks for any kind of advice.

I can't speak specifically to your setup, but I have a Mac Mini hooked up via HDMI to my G25 and I was able to get full-screen, pixel perfect (no scaling) display by setting the Screen Format to FULL and HD Size to SIZE 2 on the TV and then enabling overscan at 1080p on the display settings for the computer. I'm not sure how to do that in Windows, but there should be a similar setting in the Radeon settings.

I verified that I was seeing all 1920x1080 pixels using a single pixel width convergence pattern, so I know the TV is capable of doing it with the proper graphics card settings.

BTW: Thanks D-Nice for the recommended settings. I did a calibration test with ColorHCFR and the iOne Display2 colorimeter after the break-in and applying your settings and they were spot-on.
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post #1414 of 8511
4/16/10 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by hkinnyc View Post

I just bought a 42" G25 and found that while the settings are on the factory defaults, the display dims gradually and then suddenly brightens in about a 10 second cycle, which repeats. This was particularly prevalent when viewing the on-screen cable guide (hooked up via hdmi).

I adjusted the settings to those recommended on another thread and the issue resolved. Am wondering though if anyone has had a similar problem or any thoughts about the cause. Also wondering if I should set up a service call just in case there's a bigger problem.

Thanks much.

I also just purchased a 42" G25 a week ago and had the same issue on initial power up. I immediately switched the picture to THX mode, turned off the C.A.T.S and adjusted the contrast to 50 and the brightness to 50. So far I haven't seen the issue since changing the settings and have been watching it over the week. I also haven't noticed any floating blacks or IR yet and my set has yet to emit any buzzing sound (except putting my ear to the back of the set - altitude at my location is 600 feet). Most of my viewing so far has been over the air HDTV content. As of now I am loving this TV. It's light years ahead of my old Samsung 42" CRT RP HDTV it replaced.

I would like to thank everyone in this forum for all of your posts which helped me make a good informed decision while researching these TV's before finally buying one.
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post #1415 of 8511
4/17/10 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by TommyO View Post

Did the buzz start immediately on the very first power up? Or did it tend to show up after a few hours were logged on the plasma?

well i really didn't notice it until after. but it's VERY noticeable. I called Sears today and asked them if it was normal to buzz and they said No. I also read that some can't hear it unless they put their ear to it, but I can hear mines from 8 feet away with the volume up. So I plan on exchanging it and hopefully it doesn't have the same problem. fyi, it sounds more like a high pitch whine.
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post #1416 of 8511
4/17/10 at 2:11am
I find it interesting that the buzz issue is not consistent - I think it is a matter of preference. My 50g20 buzzes, but I consider it purely operational and it does not bother me. With no other background noise, I can hear the buzz faintly from 2 ft. away. I figured the baby has to purr to provide such a beautiful picture.... Again, I am not discounting the possibility for abnormal buzzing, but the buzz I hear is nothing to be upset about.
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post #1417 of 8511
4/17/10 at 5:32am
i'm in the same boat, megahog. my 50G20 certainly buzzes, but at my 10' viewing distance, if i use just the tv's internal speakers and have them at a volume of about as low as 20, i never hear the buzz over the content i'm viewing/hearing.

i really think this whole buzzing thing comes down to a variance in tolerance from person to person. i don't expect a tv this size to be utterly silent, or even whisper quiet for that matter. i'm used to having a desktop pc with lots of fans that hum right along to keep my quadcore cpu cool. i'm used to dvr set top boxes with hard drives that rev up like a ferrari. i'm just plain used to electronics making noise.

anyway, quick question about using my wii with this tv. i only have a few hours on the set, so i've got quite a bit of break-in period left to go. i've been very careful to use the aspect features to avoid any pillar or letterboxes thus far whilst watching broadcast tv. however, with my wii hooked up with the standard composite cable, i can't seem to stretch the picture quite enough. there is still about 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch of black down each side of the picture with the aspect set to full and hdsize set to 1. if i set the aspect to zoom i can fill the whole screen but that setting tends to cut off huds and such and makes some games unplayable.

is there something i'm missing? or if i were to spring for the component cable for my wii, would that help at all? i know that would only net me 480p as opposed to 480i with the composite cable, but i never seem to have any over or underscan issues with sources that are connected via hdmi or component.
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post #1418 of 8511
4/17/10 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by megahog View Post

I find it interesting that the buzz issue is not consistent - I think it is a matter of preference. My 50g20 buzzes, but I consider it purely operational and it does not bother me. With no other background noise, I can hear the buzz faintly from 2 ft. away. I figured the baby has to purr to provide such a beautiful picture.... Again, I am not discounting the possibility for abnormal buzzing, but the buzz I hear is nothing to be upset about.

I'm with you mine is in no way silent but certainly not annoying either. I too expect some buzz from a component this size. If it does get too loud or become an issue that's what the warranty is for. But at say 8' with Surround Sound from my receiver & a heater on most of the time in my basement I'll never hear it. My XBOX 360 now that is a noisy distracting mofo.LOL.

But if I could notice it above that stuff I'd be concerned. Speaking as someone who had to go through the process of having my 50G10 replaced, paying to get it hauled out & then purchasing a new set (G20) I can forgive a lot of small stuff now. Best thing that ever happened to cure the OCD you develop reading this forum.
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post #1419 of 8511
4/17/10 at 7:44am
Hey All...

Newbie here.. and have questions about the wireless routers you all are using. I'm taking delivery of my 50G25 next Wed.
Looking at the recommendations from Panny, they list 2 netgear jobbies WNDR3300 (rated not so great & even worse by customers & the WNR2000 which is just a little better than the 3300) & 2 linksys jobbies, so there's no issues with connectivity (using their expensive dongle, which I'm cool with getting, if I have to). However, doing research on c-net & the like (small net builders.com) on the WRT 400, (I ruled out both netgear jobbies based on c-net & customer reviews) it has pretty slow pass-through speeds so I looked at the models they said had better speeds & I found the 320n (not duel band) & someone even wrote in that they had great stream speed for netflix movies streamed wirelessly to their TV. My biggest question to ask about first is: If I connect to TV with Cat-6 Ethernet cable from my wireless router will I get the speed my internet provider, provides, directly to TV (Better connection than wireless) Wired is always better right? TV will be about 25' away from router in closet. I still have the opportunity to run an Ethernet cable to TV if I want, but since I will still need wireless for my 2 laptops & what-not in the house anyway, I'm going to get the best speed, range, router I can (with-in reason $$$) that will be compatible with the TV should I decide to move this puppy to the bedroom at a later date.
(I know some of this may get OT from the "Owners thread" but I'm connecting to a G25 so I belong I think)
So... What Wireless "802.11n wireless card" Routers are you all using with success for this TV, based on performance. (no drop out, rebooting, good/great speed) and... Can I run a wired connection right from one of the ports on the back of the WR to the TV & get the same speed my provider provides. Next: What is "Gigabit network interface card" (GigE) versus a "10/100 Network Interface Card"? Is this what I need to run a ethernet cable from router to to TV to get fastest speed?

I'm going with Opt On-Line in Dutchess Co. NY. and will go with their standard package (versus the "Boost" package) Forget what their speeds are, off the top of my head 15mbps down & 5 up...? (told ya all I am a newbie... )
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post #1420 of 8511
4/17/10 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Camster View Post

I'm with you mine is in no way silent but certainly not annoying either. I too expect some buzz from a component this size. If it does get too loud or become an issue that's what the warranty is for. But at say 8' with Surround Sound from my receiver & a heater on most of the time in my basement I'll never hear it. My XBOX 360 now that is a noisy distracting mofo.LOL.

But if I could notice it above that stuff I'd be concerned. Speaking as someone who had to go through the process of having my 50G10 replaced, paying to get it hauled out & then purchasing a new set (G20) I can forgive a lot of small stuff now. Best thing that ever happened to cure the OCD you develop reading this forum.

For the week or so that I had a G20, the buzz on my particular panel was noticeable. I also believe it comes down to a person's sensitivity to it, and even if it is noticeable, you will get used to it after some time. Like some others have posted it is far louder on screens dominant in white. My 101FD which replaced the G20 has a slight buzz when power save is off, but it is far quieter than the G20 was. It really seems to be luck of the draw with any plasma in regards to buzzing.
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post #1421 of 8511
4/17/10 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by t4t3r View Post

For the week or so that I had a G20, the buzz on my particular panel was noticeable. I also believe it comes down to a person's sensitivity to it, and even if it is noticeable, you will get used to it after some time. Like some others have posted it is far louder on screens dominant in white. My 101FD which replaced the G20 has a slight buzz when power save is off, but it is far quieter than the G20 was. It really seems to be luck of the draw with any plasma in regards to buzzing.

I agree it is a lottery nowadays. Certainly I believe the buzz should not be intrusive too. The switch to panels without the additional outer glass is going to make this occur more often as well.

My G20 is louder than my G10 was to be sure especially if you compare the buzz that is always on any plasma listening at the back of the set. But again it's not an issue for me right now. Sorry yours didn't work out but you have Pioneer now which is a wonderful set anyways.
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post #1422 of 8511
4/17/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Camster View Post

I agree it is a lottery nowadays. Certainly I believe the buzz should not be intrusive too. The switch to panels without the additional outer glass is going to make this occur more often as well.

My G20 is louder than my G10 was to be sure especially if you compare the buzz that is always on any plasma listening at the back of the set. But again it's not an issue for me right now. Sorry yours didn't work out but you have Pioneer now which is a wonderful set anyways.

I had some other anomalies with my G20 as well, so it probably would've been swapped out anyway had I decided to stick with Panasonic. Truth be told though, the picture of the G20/G25 is great, and for the price, is an amazing value.
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post #1423 of 8511
4/17/10 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Run with 81 View Post

Hey All...

Newbie here.. and have questions about the wireless routers you all are using. I'm taking delivery of my 50G25 next Wed.
Looking at the recommendations from Panny, they list 2 netgear jobbies WNDR3300 (rated not so great & even worse by customers & the WNR2000 which is just a little better than the 3300) & 2 linksys jobbies, so there's no issues with connectivity (using their expensive dongle, which I'm cool with getting, if I have to). However, doing research on c-net & the like (small net builders.com) on the WRT 400, (I ruled out both netgear jobbies based on c-net & customer reviews) it has pretty slow pass-through speeds so I looked at the models they said had better speeds & I found the 320n (not duel band) & someone even wrote in that they had great stream speed for netflix movies streamed wirelessly to their TV. My biggest question to ask about first is: If I connect to TV with Cat-6 Ethernet cable from my wireless router will I get the speed my internet provider, provides, directly to TV (Better connection than wireless) Wired is always better right? TV will be about 25' away from router in closet. I still have the opportunity to run an Ethernet cable to TV if I want, but since I will still need wireless for my 2 laptops & what-not in the house anyway, I'm going to get the best speed, range, router I can (with-in reason $$$) that will be compatible with the TV should I decide to move this puppy to the bedroom at a later date.
(I know some of this may get OT from the "Owners thread" but I'm connecting to a G25 so I belong I think)
So... What Wireless "802.11n wireless card" Routers are you all using with success for this TV, based on performance. (no drop out, rebooting, good/great speed) and... Can I run a wired connection right from one of the ports on the back of the WR to the TV & get the same speed my provider provides. Next: What is "Gigabit network interface card" (GigE) versus a "10/100 Network Interface Card"? Is this what I need to run a ethernet cable from router to to TV to get fastest speed?

I'm going with Opt On-Line in Dutchess Co. NY. and will go with their standard package (versus the "Boost" package) Forget what their speeds are, off the top of my head 15mbps down & 5 up...? (told ya all I am a newbie... )

I would definitely plug the TV directly into the router and use wi-fi for everything else. Also, I think putting your router in a closet can affect the speed of devices using wi-fi.
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post #1424 of 8511
4/17/10 at 11:09am
So apparently my 2 & 1/2 year old knocked some of the AR coating off. It is really small, but I am still in my 30 days. Should I take it back to bb and exchange or cut my loses. It is really a little less than an inch long in the lower left side of the screen.
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post #1425 of 8511
4/17/10 at 11:26am
knocked some of the ar coating off? wouldn't you have to dig/scratch it off? if it were me, yeah i'd return the tv, but you might get burned if they see the spot you're talking about and say that it's your own fault.

another question about the set, yes i know i have tons of silly newbie questions.

is it better to use full or just for the aspect setting? i'm not really sure i understand the difference between the two. and i don't see much of a difference between the two either.
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post #1426 of 8511
4/17/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by jsntrmn View Post

knocked some of the ar coating off? wouldn't you have to dig/scratch it off? if it were me, yeah i'd return the tv, but you might get burned if they see the spot you're talking about and say that it's your own fault.

another question about the set, yes i know i have tons of silly newbie questions.

is it better to use full or just for the aspect setting? i'm not really sure i understand the difference between the two. and i don't see much of a difference between the two either.

Full is the best for the correct aspect ratio. Just is sort of a fill setting.
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post #1427 of 8511
4/17/10 at 12:51pm
ah, good!

i've been using full with an hdsize of 1. if i leave it on 2 i tend to see noise on a lot of my local network broadcasts.

i think i'm being a wee bit paranoid about IR. everything i watch, i try to make sure it's taking up 100% of the screen right to the very last pixel and sometimes when i'm watching a movie on a network like USA or TNT i find myself yearning to change the channel whenever my eyes drift to the network logo in the corner.

been using the THX picture mode pretty much exclusively. i imagine the viewing of just regular broadcast tv would probably benefit from copying the THX settings over to Custom and then doing some tweaking, but i honestly don't even know where to begin with all the advanced/pro settings. so i think i'm just going to stick with THX and be happy.

not to mention, once i start tweaking i always get carried away. and i almost feel like i have to tweak on a per channel basis. it's awful how inconsistent material can be from network to network and provider to provider.

bottom line though, the set looks damn good!
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post #1428 of 8511
4/17/10 at 1:04pm
Ya the size 2 will do that sometimes so I find HD size 1 better too.

Try these settings for Custom mode for tv for curiousity.....


Contrast 55
Brightness 48
Colour 45
HD Size 1
Warm 2
CATS off

As for IR it seems non-existent on this set. I see no logos, game HUDs or anything being retained.
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post #1429 of 8511
4/17/10 at 3:33pm
Wanted to get some opinions on this:

If price was the SAME, would you rather have...

1. an S2 with the ISF calibration
2. a G20 without the calibration
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post #1430 of 8511
4/17/10 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsk View Post

Wanted to get some opinions on this:

If price was the SAME, would you rather have...

1. an S2 with the ISF calibration
2. a G20 without the calibration


G20 hands down. The THX is so good I don't believe an ISF Cal is worth it. Plus it has a very good AR that the S2 can't touch. Also no 3rd outer glass that can cause double images when viewed at an angle. I don't care about the Vieracast crap but if you like that sort of thing I guess it would be another plus. If nothing else it allows firmware updates via the Internet when they are available.

The other thing the G20 is bright for a plasma & that's a good thing. Much more so than my G10 was.I'm not sure how the S2's are in that regard. I did see a S2 beside the G20 when I bought mine & it looked very good too. In fact they looked about the same in the store but I still wanted the G20 as I knew the THX was very good from reading here before that.
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post #1431 of 8511
4/17/10 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by kevinsk View Post

Wanted to get some opinions on this:

If price was the SAME, would you rather have...

1. an S2 with the ISF calibration
2. a G20 without the calibration

I would think option 2 since the G20 supposedly has better black levels and better colors etc. I've seen it said that even the best Calibration can't provide better black levels. The S2 so far seems to be a bit of a letdown compared to the G.
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post #1432 of 8511
4/17/10 at 4:04pm
Hey all...I'm a new to the board and I have quick question. My G20 has a very grainy picture and the pixels are very noticeable. What settings can I change in the picture mode to get a "cleaner" image? Thanks in advance for your advice.
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post #1433 of 8511
4/17/10 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I would think option 2 since the G20 supposedly has better black levels and better colors etc. I've seen it said that even the best Calibration can't provide better black levels. The S2 so far seems to be a bit of a letdown compared to the G.

Ditto, the S2 from what I've heard is mostly a more power efficient version of last year's model. The G20 is actually a new panel which is supposedly brighter with better colour reproduction but still only marginally better blacks. I'd take the G20.

Source: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1267447473
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post #1434 of 8511
4/17/10 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by wspterp View Post

Hey all...I'm a new to the board and I have quick question. My G20 has a very grainy picture and the pixels are very noticeable. What settings can I change in the picture mode to get a "cleaner" image? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Lemme guess you're sitting 2 feet away from the screen.
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post #1435 of 8511
4/17/10 at 6:02pm
So I took my buzzing Samsung back yesterday and bought a 50G25 from Frys last night. Took it home, opened the box and noticed there was no clear wrapping around the bezel. Of course when I plugged it in, power came on, screen appeared to lighten but no picture showed up. Great, a used/broken TV sold as new. Someone must have swapped just the screens and left the stand, remote, manual bags unopened and fooled the return people. So I went back this morning and exchanged it and it's running the slideshow right now.

Looks great so far from the small amount of viewing I did this morning. Buzzing is a non-issue compared to the Samsung and runs relatively cool compared to my 5 year old plasma. I'll take the black level issue over the buzzing any day.
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4/17/10 at 6:15pm
Quick Question... I'm running D-Nice's 100 Hr aging settings with the slides on a SDcard, and after 2.5 hrs the screen is very warm.. is this normal?

Top of the set is warm as expected, the back nice and cool, but the screen being so warm worries me.
Reassure me people
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4/17/10 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by wspterp View Post

Hey all...I'm a new to the board and I have quick question. My G20 has a very grainy picture and the pixels are very noticeable. What settings can I change in the picture mode to get a "cleaner" image? Thanks in advance for your advice.

The factory default settings look poor on most TVs. Once adjusted, the picture should look clean and crisp with good content from a good source. There are a lot of variables. Search this thread for other people's G20 settings and try them as a starting point.

Exactly what are you watching that looks grainy?

What Picture mode are you using?

What are your Contrast/Brightness/Sharpness etc settings?

How close is your face to the screen?
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4/17/10 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by craiglester View Post

Quick Question... I'm running D-Nice's 100 Hr aging settings with the slides on a SDcard, and after 2.5 hrs the screen is very warm.. is this normal?

Top of the set is warm as expected, the back nice and cool, but the screen being so warm worries me. Reassure me people

It's normal for the screen of any plasma to be warm, especially those that do not have an additional layer of outer glass. The brighter the screen or content, the warmer the TV will run. Once you start watching regular content with normal settings it will run cooler. It's nothing to worry about.
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4/17/10 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The factory default settings look poor on most TVs. Once adjusted, the picture should look clean and crisp with good content from a good source. There are a lot of variables. Search this thread for other people's G20 settings and try them as a starting point.

Exactly what are you watching that looks grainy?

What Picture mode are you using?

What are your Contrast/Brightness/Sharpness etc settings?

How close is your face to the screen?


Thanks...I'm sitting 8-9 feet away and all HD and standard programming is grainy. I'm watching in standard picture mode and I haven't messed around with the settings yet. I just feel like is grainier than normal.

Contrast is 100, brightness and color is 50 and sharpness is 75.

Also, something really alarming just happened while watching hockey...the picture all of a sudden became much darker and dull. The ice isn't as bright and looks almost grey. This is now much more of a concern than the grainy feed. Its like someone turned down all my settings. I'm getting a bad feeling about this TV...maybe I have a dud.
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post #1440 of 8511
4/17/10 at 7:22pm
go into your picture settings and scroll down a bit.

see if the item "C.A.T.S." is disabled. if not, disable it. it's an ambient light sensor that will automatically adjust brightness according to room lighting conditions. it sounds like that's exactly what's happened to you.

also, the standard mode, as randy said, isn't going to give you the greatest picture. try THX mode as a comparison. if you like that, you can always copy the settings from it over to the Custom mode and then tweak them to your personal preference.

Camster, gonna try your settings now. i'll post back in a few.
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