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Originally Posted by Couchy View Post
Saturday night I was watching the Neb/OU game on ABC (Comcast Ch. 13 - Houston).

Out of the blue about 3/4 down on the right side of the screen an almost inch long, 1/4" thick black bar appeared.

I thought it may be dead phosphors. Thing is it only appears on that one channel. Every other channel there's no line and everything is normal. The line is still there today.

Anyone experience something like this before?
Anyone ever hear of this before?

Thanks.
post #6362 of 8528
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Originally Posted by Couchy View Post
Anyone ever hear of this before?

Thanks.
I've heard of a black bar appearing on the screen ( see page 1 of this thread) but never on one channel only.
post #6363 of 8528
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Originally Posted by schnydz View Post

24p – It may be my ambient lighting setup? But, I experience mild flicker for the first 1-2 min of a film then my eyes adjust and I don’t notice it any more. Same with my wife. Typically watch with a couple of lamps on in the corner of the room, both using incandescent light bulbs, not the mercury laden, ‘save the world before we parish junk.’

Its possible your current value for the "24p Direct In" option is 48hz (2:2 cadence). You could try setting it to 60hz (2:3 cadence) to see if you prefer that setting. This option only becomes available when the panel is receiving 24 fps video from your disc player, otherwise its grayed out. Some people will see flicker @48 hz while others will see judder @60 hz so these are not "one size fits all" options.

If you prefer 60hz, you can accomplish the same thing by just disabling 24p output from your disc player. In this case, the player will be using 2:3 cadence.

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Originally Posted by schnydz View Post

Question – I do have one problem though. My panel is using HDMI (from ARC input) to my AV receiver (Denon 790) along with HDMI from my cable DVR box and BD-85 blu-ray player to my receiver. I am no longer able to hear sounds while using the panel’s VieraCast system (ex: Netflix or Pandora) through my receiver (I can with the TV speakers though). My receiver was receiving and playing the audio signal from the panel (ARC) perfectly fine until yesterday. Now (after letting the wife play with the system by herself all day ) all I get is audio from the cable box while in VieraCast. I’m thinking this must be a handshake issue? I’ve tried unplugging the HDMI cables and power cords to all devices and restarting but no luck. I’m thinking there is something I’m missing within the setup menu but I have no idea what. Any ideas?

If your receiver is connected to the G20/G25 HDMI-1 (ARC) input port and you're using the ARC function, that means you have Vieralink enabled. In the Vieralink menu, there is an option to direct audio out to either the "TV Speakers" or "Home Theater". You might want to go into the Vieralink menu to see if Home Theater is still enabled.

I usually access the Vieralink menu from the settings menu. However, when you have Vieracast running, there is a second Vieralink menu that can be accessed by pressing the remote's Menu button. I chose not to use Vieralink so I don't know if the two Vieralink menus are independent or not. I'd try the Vieralink menu within Vieracast first.

When Vieralink is disabled, audio always goes to both the TV speakers and the home theater (since ARC is disabled when Vieralink is disabled, "home theater" will correspond to the optical output).
post #6364 of 8528
having an issue with my G20 that i hope i can get some info on.

My PC specs are a 9800GTX+ so i have two DVI outs.
I have just regular onbard sound 5.1

When i use a DVI to HDMI adaptor to hook up my PC to my TV, i get no sound.
I have tried setting up the PC with the nvideo Control panel for the monitors as the HDMI with and without Audio, i have changed the PC's default settigns..

I have looked in teh menus on the TV. I have used RCA jacks to a mini jack, i get NOTHING.

I am baffled and have NO clue how to get sound from my PC to the TV.
post #6365 of 8528
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Originally Posted by mrs.cos View Post

having an issue with my G20 that i hope i can get some info on.

My PC specs are a 9800GTX+ so i have two DVI outs.
I have just regular onbard sound 5.1

When i use a DVI to HDMI adaptor to hook up my PC to my TV, i get no sound.
I have tried setting up the PC with the nvideo Control panel for the monitors as the HDMI with and without Audio, i have changed the PC's default settigns..

I have looked in teh menus on the TV. I have used RCA jacks to a mini jack, i get NOTHING.

I am baffled and have NO clue how to get sound from my PC to the TV.

These kinds of issues are best handled in the Home Theater PC forum. You'll find lots of users who have run across this issue there. Also try the search box in that forum.

I've read posts where such adapters can cause a problem with the handshake between the graphics card and the TV. The adapter can block the transfer of EDID display info from the TV/monitor to the PC.

But in your case ... the DVI interface does not carry audio! So you'll need to try an alternative like the RCA inputs described a few posts before this one.

Edit: Thinking about this a little more, the RCA jacks are intended to be used in conjunction with the G20/G25 VGA input (per the previous post I mentioned). When HDMI is used, there's no reason for using the RCA jacks since HDMI handles both video and audio. So it could be that audio input via RCA is disabled by the G20/G25 when video is coming in from an HDMI port. That's just a guess. You could pour over the manual to see if this is discussed.
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this question was asked back on page 83 but no one responded.

Does anyone know the gauge and length of the power cord? I might have to get a longer one and would like to have it before the TV arrives.

Thanks for your time guys
post #6367 of 8528
Those savvy Panasonic plasma fans.. I was like you once upon a time.

and now I have to deal with crappy services that I'm receiving from Panasonic.

check this thread about issue with internal plasma panel and what pansonic is doing to help!

not that I expect everyone has to go thru it but if you do... god bless you!
post #6368 of 8528
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Originally Posted by mrs.cos View Post

having an issue with my G20 that i hope i can get some info on.

My PC specs are a 9800GTX+ so i have two DVI outs.
I have just regular onbard sound 5.1

When i use a DVI to HDMI adaptor to hook up my PC to my TV, i get no sound.
I have tried setting up the PC with the nvideo Control panel for the monitors as the HDMI with and without Audio, i have changed the PC's default settigns..

I have looked in teh menus on the TV. I have used RCA jacks to a mini jack, i get NOTHING.

I am baffled and have NO clue how to get sound from my PC to the TV.

I think you have to run a cable from your sound card to your video card as I don't believe that video card has any built in audio on it like my Radeon 4890 does for example. In other words it's a PC problem to my way of thinking.

Not 100% sure on this but I believe I'm correct so it may be worth checking into this way.
post #6369 of 8528
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Originally Posted by svusa View Post

Those savvy Panasonic plasma fans.. I was like you once upon a time.

and now I have to deal with crappy services that I'm receiving from Panasonic.

check this thread about issue with internal plasma panel and what pansonic is doing to help!

not that I expect everyone has to go thru it but if you do... god bless you!

I'm not sure what the point of your post is, except to maybe trash Panasonic based on a few bad cases.

The thread you referenced was only started yesterday and the technician has yet to visit and check out the TV, so I don't understand why you would reference that thread as an example of Panasonic's bad service.

EVERY large company has issues, it goes with selling large numbers of products, but from my reading it seems that many of these companies do a pretty good job of delivering both fine products and acceptable levels of after-the-sale service.

And yes, you can count me as a Panasonic fan. I recently sold my working 19 year old 20" Panasonic CRT to make room for my new G25. I've got a Panasonic 5 disc CD changer that has worked great for the past 10 years, and a Panasonic VCR that has been a work horse for almost 15 years. Is it any wonder I looked at and bought a Panasonic when it came time to upgrade to a plasma?

I'm sorry if you had a bad experience with a Panasonic product and Panasonic customer service, but from my reading your's would be the exception rather than the rule. Good luck.
post #6370 of 8528
Hi all,
I just got my new 50" G25 installed on a wall mount in my bedroom last night. It's being fed by an older Directv HR20-700 DVR through HDMI. I haven't done a lot of tweaking yet besides changing to THX mode and applying the Home Theater Magazine recommended settings. I plan on hooking up my Oppo BDP-83 and using the Spears & Munsil calibration disc that came with it. Has anyone else used this disc? Should I wait until I get some time on the display before doing this? TIA.
post #6371 of 8528
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Originally Posted by Derek Dean View Post

I'm not sure what the point of your post is, except to maybe trash Panasonic based on a few bad cases.

The thread you referenced was only started yesterday and the technician has yet to visit and check out the TV, so I don't understand why you would reference that thread as an example of Panasonic's bad service.

I'm owner of G20 and this case is open with Panasonic for now close to a month. Thread I referred is also about month old. Tech had already visited 2 weeks back and Panasonic is playing hardball right now (because they dont care about fixing it) I have both Samsung and Panny and it turns out to be issue with G20.

I used this form to research into plasma vs lcd and various brands, so is the reason I'm making aware of issues I'm facing with poor quality G20.

It could very well be only my G20 TV that turned out to be lemon but when you pay good amount of money and get really bad service, I feel its something worth noting here so other new buyers can be well prepared about their decision.
post #6372 of 8528
Hi:

Question about audio passthrough, and I did search on this forum.

I have my G25 (50") hooked up to a Panasonic SC-HTB500 soundbar. The TV and the soundbar support ARC, so the audio from the HDMI inputs on the TV should be passed through to the soundbar. Generally, it has worked. The audio from the satellite receiver I have attached to HDMI2 seems to come through fine. However, when my Playstation 3 is hooked up to the HDMI3 input, certain audio from the device is not passed through to the soundbar. For example, I play NBA 2K11 which has both ambient crowd noises and the voices of the TV announcers. However, when it is hooked up to the HDMI3 input, the announcer voices are absent. I can hear the volume of the crowd noise decline when I'm supposed to be hearing the announcers, but there's nothing from the announcers. However, when the PS3 is hooked up directly to the soundbar, it works fine. All the audio comes through properly.

I swapped the PS3 onto the soundbar HDMI, which meant I had to swap my Apple TV to HDMI3, so now I'm worried the audio from there won't come through properly. Any thoughts as to what's going on? This is an all-HDMI connection; no optical or other audio cables are being used.
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I just got home from spending a week on the road for work. After spending a week watching the crappy little LCD in my hotel room and the 50" Sony LCD in the concierge lounge, I come home and turn my 50" G25 on and marvel at the beautiful picture.

It happens every time...
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Hello all, i am owner of TX-PR42G20 and i have strange problem. When i watch movies i see in scene uneven gradient transitions.

For example: On faces, water, sky...

I try watch movies from PC, PS3, IPTV box and i see same effect. I notice this effect less or do not see on BluRay movies.

Who can tell me what is it.

I attach in my message some foto with that effect, this foto made not me, some guy from russian forum who owner 50vt20 made this, but i have same effect.

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_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566572w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566570w.jpg_
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I sorry for that links, i dont have 3x post, need it for made normal links
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That's a G20 for the European or Russian market? This forum is mostly concerned with North American models. I don't know whether it is safe to assume the models are similar. That said ...

I'm usually reluctant to download anything from the .ru domain, so I'll guess that you're referring to color banding which can have many causes (e.g. compression, lack of color and/or pixel resolution in the source material, lack of color and/or pixel resolution in display, etc.).

If you don't see the effect with blu ray discs, then that's a strong clue. Perhaps what you're seeing are compression artifacts? I'd suggest examining each video source you have this problem with, then consider whether the effect is in the source itself. For example, many people view highly compressed videos downloaded from bitorrrent on their PS3. If that's what you're watching (you did not specify) then that could be the problem. Here in the US, television broadcasts via cable and satellite can exhibit compression artifacts. Also, in live sports, sometimes the cameras on the field don't all have the same resolution - so some shots will look grainier than others.
post #6376 of 8528
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Originally Posted by Dem84 View Post

Hello all, i am owner of TX-PR42G20 and i have strange problem. When i watch movies i see in scene uneven gradient transitions.

For example: On faces, water, sky...

I try watch movies from PC, PS3, IPTV box and i see same effect. I notice this effect less or do not see on BluRay movies.

Who can tell me what is it.

I attach in my message some foto with that effect, this foto made not me, some guy from russian forum who owner 50vt20 made this, but i have same effect.

_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566571w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566572w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566570w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566352w.jpg_

I sorry for that links, i dont have 3x post, need it for made normal links

I have the same problem with my GW20 (european/german model). 1080 looks fine most of the time, but the problems begin even with 720 material and don't get me started with SD broadcasts. Almost all faces look like the one in the fourth picture in the above links.
Faces in darker scenes turn into a deep red and folks don't look healthy at all.
post #6377 of 8528
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dem84 View Post

Hello all, i am owner of TX-PR42G20 and i have strange problem. When i watch movies i see in scene uneven gradient transitions.

For example: On faces, water, sky...

I try watch movies from PC, PS3, IPTV box and i see same effect. I notice this effect less or do not see on BluRay movies.

Who can tell me what is it.

I attach in my message some foto with that effect, this foto made not me, some guy from russian forum who owner 50vt20 made this, but i have same effect.

_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566571w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566572w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566570w.jpg_
_ttp://fotkidepo.ru/photo/695435/32431K4QKvwUXIZ/566352w.jpg_

I sorry for that links, i dont have 3x post, need it for made normal links

You have discovered one crappy feature of 2010 Panasonic plasmas, they have problems with processing of colour gradients (especially with moving ones). This phenomenon you see is normal to your g20. And the material you're watching does affect the amount of gradation problems, so, with blu-rays there is less of this stuff visible.
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So best buy and my local frys are both out of this TV. Fry's sells the g25 model and best buy sells the g20.

I wonder why they sell different models? I know the listed specs show that there is no difference between the two. But I wonder if one version is affected by more problems than the other?

I keep leaning towards the g25 since its a newer model and frys seems to have better warranties than best buy does. But they are selling for the same price at both stores. So I guess it just really depends who gets it first.
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I just bought a G20 from Best Buy and had it delivered today. Unpacked it, hooked up all the connections, was really excited to see the picture and so I powered it up!!! Waited and waited for it turn on and nothing. The red LED blinked 8 times and that was it. Don't know what that means. does anyone here?

I packed it back up and headed down to the store and they were out of them. Best Buy was great about the return and ordered me another from the warehouse. Will be here Monday.

My question is am I doing the wright thing getting another? Is this a common problem? What is everyone's opinion on there 4 year warranty plan and is it needed? Any comments will be appreciated.
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Thanks for your help. I use the iPhone app and have had limited success with my search queries. I will use different search parameters.
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To spare me the time of reading through this entire topic, can anyone sum up the general consensus on the G20/25 for me? I game heavily with my TVs, so is it good for gaming?

What about image retention when gaming? Is that a problem?

Is everyone generally happy with this TV? I'm either getting this or a Sony 52NX800.

Thanks
post #6382 of 8528
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Originally Posted by MKL34 View Post

I just bought a G20 from Best Buy and had it delivered today. Unpacked it, hooked up all the connections, was really excited to see the picture and so I powered it up!!! Waited and waited for it turn on and nothing. The red LED blinked 8 times and that was it. Don't know what that means. does anyone here?

I packed it back up and headed down to the store and they were out of them. Best Buy was great about the return and ordered me another from the warehouse. Will be here Monday.

My question is am I doing the wright thing getting another? Is this a common problem? What is everyone's opinion on there 4 year warranty plan and is it needed? Any comments will be appreciated.

I bought the g20 during black Friday, I'm absolutely satisfied with the tv, you can't beat the picture quality especially after breaking it in and calibration using d nice's settings. I opted not to buy the warranty from best buy, instead I purchased one from square trade and saved quite a few bucks to buy more blu rays to enjoy on my new tv :-)
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about the ueaven colour gradiants.. especially in faces..

in standard tv viewing i find it much less if you use normal mode,, dont know why but it is best on my tv.. for bluray i use thx and i dint see it much there
post #6384 of 8528
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Originally Posted by Dalumberjack View Post

I know the listed specs show that there is no difference between the two {G20 vs G25}

There may be other tiny differences I'm not aware of (I own a G25), but the big one is that the G25 can view and control Panasonic-branded remote controlled network cameras (like a BL-C230A) and the G20 doesn't. They're auto-discovered on your home network so it's not like you can use the feature to look at a camera off your network using a web address.

So if you don't own a Panasonic network/security camera and don't plan to, you're OK with the G20. I have a few watching my property so this was a great feature to include for me. I just need to be careful I don't leave that static image up on the screen for too long.
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Just picked up a 50" G25 last a few days ago.

My girlfriend is a photographer and her first comment when watching HD material on THX mode was that the colours are really good. My initial impression of the set is very good. The only negative I've noticed so far is a buzzing at a decent volume level on bright screens (only noticed when the volume was completely down), audible from 8' away. My last panasonic plasma buzzed a lot more though so I'm most likely going to stick with it.

I'm having one problem though, my laptop will only output 720p to the tv and the image does not fully fill the screen.

Edit / fix for ATI Radeon HD 3400 gpu:
* Set the TV as a second display within CCC or through windows control panel (only necessary for 1080p output IF your laptop screen is not capable of 1080p)
* Within CCC, go to the "Desktop and Displays" tab
* Right click the icon at the bottom of the window representing the tv display and select "configure"
* One of the tabs within "configure will let you choose the output resolution (720p or 1080P), and another tab will let you adjust the underscan/overscan of tv display (meaning you can enlarge or shrink the display area to make it fit the screen)
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Does the G20 pass-thru Dolby Digital audio from HDMI (in) to optical out? On my 54G20, I am only getting analog audio from the TV for sources that I know are Dolby Digital. My setup is Dish HD receiver -- HDMI --> G20 TV -- optical out --> older Denon 2803 receiver.

When I plug in the Dish box directly to the Denon receiver I get the Dolby Digital signal. Since the Denon is older it does not have HDMI so it would be great if I can plug all sources directly into the TV and output 1 audio cable to the receiver to avoid having to switch audio inputs on the Denon when switching sources.

The picture on this TV is great but it also has many limitations (no PIP, no S-Video, narrow range of video format playback, possibly no digital audio pass-thru).

Thanks for your help.
post #6387 of 8528
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Originally Posted by nastradamus View Post

Just picked up a 50" G25 last a few days ago.

My girlfriend is a photographer and her first comment when watching HD material on THX mode was that the colours are really good. My initial impression of the set is very good. The only negative I've noticed so far is a buzzing at a decent volume level on bright screens (only noticed when the volume was completely down), audible from 8' away. My last panasonic plasma buzzed a lot more though so I'm most likely going to stick with it.

I'm having one problem though, which is getting my laptop to output 1080p to the tv through hdmi.

Edit/Update (fixed):
* Set the TV as a second display within CCC or through windows control panel (this step may not be necessary)
* Within CCC, go to the "Desktop and Displays" tab
* Right click the icon at the bottom of the window representing the tv display and select "configure"
* One of the tabs within "configure will let you choose the output resolution (720p or 1080P), and another tab will let you adjust the underscan/overscan of tv display (meaning you can enlarge or shrink the display area to make it fit the screen)

I don't know what your original problem was but if the edges are getting cut off, it could be because one of the size options in the TV is to only display 95% of the image. In the TV's video settings, you can choose Size 1 or Size 2. Select the one that displays 100%.
post #6388 of 8528
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Originally Posted by Dalumberjack View Post

So best buy and my local frys are both out of this TV. Fry's sells the g25 model and best buy sells the g20.

I wonder why they sell different models? I know the listed specs show that there is no difference between the two. But I wonder if one version is affected by more problems than the other?

I keep leaning towards the g25 since its a newer model and frys seems to have better warranties than best buy does. But they are selling for the same price at both stores. So I guess it just really depends who gets it first.

The G20 is almost exclusively sold at Best Buy (and Costco). It lacks a webcam feature that the G25 has for Skype, but the picture quality is the same. The G25 should be more expensive than the G20, so if they are the same price, it is because Best Buy's price is worse and perhaps you can negotiate them down. To help with the negotiation, you could try to tell them how much you could buy it for online, with no sales tax.
post #6389 of 8528
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Originally Posted by PatrickG35c View Post

Does the G20 pass-thru Dolby Digital audio from HDMI (in) to optical out? On my 54G20, I am only getting analog audio from the TV for sources that I know are Dolby Digital. My setup is Dish HD receiver -- HDMI --> G20 TV -- optical out --> older Denon 2803 receiver.

The picture on this TV is great but it also has many limitations (no PIP, no S-Video, narrow range of video format playback, possibly no digital audio pass-thru).

No. It will not pass the signal through the optical out. It will pass the DD signal through the optical ONLY IF the DD signal is from an over-the-air broadcast. I don't know why that is, maybe it's a legal thing.

Bottom line: if you're picking up your local channel through an antenna and it broadcasts a DD signal, it will pass though the optical out. Otherwise, it won't.

S-Video is not found on any TV anymore. Perhaps there may be a couple of exceptions, but S-Video is basically a thing of the past. It sucks for people who still need it. PIP is also a feature that seems to have been left out of many new TV's. Maybe market research shows that it's not a popular feature anymore.
post #6390 of 8528
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Originally Posted by VikenK View Post

No. It will not pass the signal through the optical out. It will pass the DD signal through the optical ONLY IF the DD signal is from an over-the-air broadcast. I don't know why that is, maybe it's a legal thing.

Bottom line: if you're picking up your local channel through an antenna and it broadcasts a DD signal, it will pass though the optical out. Otherwise, it won't.

S-Video is not found on any TV anymore. Perhaps there may be a couple of exceptions, but S-Video is basically a thing of the past. It sucks for people who still need it. PIP is also a feature that seems to have been left out of many new TV's. Maybe market research shows that it's not a popular feature anymore.

Thanks for the clarification on the TV. I wonder if other TV's will pass-thru DD. I don't use OTA and the vast majority of people don't either so it is useless. I hope it's a legal thing because I would be more angry with Panasonic if they limited this feature on purpose.

I love PIP on my 37" LCD TV in my bedroom b/c I use it as a PC monitor and then have TV playing in the PIP window. It is pretty handy. But yeah, I don't see it anywhere anymore. For my setup w/ the G20, PIP would be useful b/c I could pull up the audio receiver's in the PIP window to change menu settings (my receiver only shows the menu over non-HD sources).
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