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post #241 of 2271
Bought the 42" s2 and followed the 100 hr break in according to Dnice. I then changed the menu settings to cinema and his recommended settings.

When changing the sm settings though, should I do it under the cinema setting as well? Also, have people found these settings to be best for sports and movies?

Lastly, for video games, should I switch over to the game setting? I have a PS3, what settings do people usually use for gaming?

thanks
post #242 of 2271
ok prolly a stupid question but im trying to use some of the calibration settings on here but im not sure how to get to the service menu offsets???
post #243 of 2271
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Originally Posted by sgt_slap_a_hoe View Post

ok prolly a stupid question but im trying to use some of the calibration settings on here but im not sure how to get to the service menu offsets???

I believe you hold down the VOL - on the side of the TV then press the info button on your remote 3 times. I haven't done this yet since I'm still breaking in my TV but in my reading that is what I've come across.

Actually here you go, read LeM22's post on this page, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1128487&page=7

he tells you how to navigate the menu and get access to it.

Make sure you document all of your SM settings before you change them since all the sets are different and if you change something that screws it up you will need to know the original value to get back. Good luck.
post #244 of 2271
cool thanks one more thing do i need to break in my tv before i do this?

also once i hold the vol button down and the menu pops up i cant do anything else it wont let me change anything once i press 1 or 2 it just goes away??
post #245 of 2271
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Originally Posted by sgt_slap_a_hoe View Post

cool thanks one more thing do i need to break in my tv before i do this?

also once i hold the vol button down and the menu pops up i cant do anything else it wont let me change anything once i press 1 or 2 it just goes away??

I'd do some more reading before I go fooling around in the SM. I haven't gotten to that point yet since I'm still breaking in my TV.

I'm following d-nice's guide for calibrating my TV. If you would like to check that it go here, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232441
post #246 of 2271
yea i have been following that i just need to know how to navigate through the menus on the service menu offsets...
post #247 of 2271
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Originally Posted by sgt_slap_a_hoe View Post

yea i have been following that i just need to know how to navigate through the menus on the service menu offsets...

The link I posted a few posts above tells you how to navigate the SM. But I'll post it here any ways.

Here is how you will move around in the menus:
Use [1] [2] on remote to move in main menu items.
Use [3] [4] on remote to move in sub-menu items.
Use [+VOL] [-VOL] on remote to change item value.
Hold in the TV Power button to exit service mode and save.
post #248 of 2271
Hows the IR on this tv? Most of my tv watching has logos, does the pixel orbiter take care of that or will logos be a problem and lead to burn in? Also, is this tv pretty bright? There's alot of windows in the room but no sunlight hits it directly, so should it wash out?
post #249 of 2271
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Originally Posted by jay541 View Post

Hows the IR on this tv? Most of my tv watching has logos, does the pixel orbiter take care of that or will logos be a problem and lead to burn in? Also, is this tv pretty bright? There's alot of windows in the room but no sunlight hits it directly, so should it wash out?

I haven't noticed any IR on mine for the three weeks I've had it. I didn't do anything special. From what I understand, burn-in is no longer a realistic problem for plasma TVs. Again, fromt what I've read on here, IR can occur if the image is static for multiple hours (like 5+ hours), such as long video game sessions but can always be eliminated with the white bar wiping function. Most TV logos these days are transparent, which also eliminates any risk of IR.

The TV can get very bright. In a bright room, your black levels will be crap. Direct sunlight on the TV would make it unwatchable, like any other glass front TV.
post #250 of 2271
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Originally Posted by berthasroses View Post

The link I posted a few posts above tells you how to navigate the SM. But I'll post it here any ways.

Here is how you will move around in the menus:
• Use [1] [2] on remote to move in main menu items.
• Use [3] [4] on remote to move in sub-menu items.
• Use [+VOL] [-VOL] on remote to change item value.
• Hold in the TV Power button to exit service mode and save.

ok got that now im trying to use these settings http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18252425

now when it says R-DRV +5 what does that mean because there is no +5 when you try to set it only like a b c d etc.
post #251 of 2271
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

I haven't noticed any IR on mine for the three weeks I've had it. I didn't do anything special. From what I understand, burn-in is no longer a realistic problem for plasma TVs. Again, fromt what I've read on here, IR can occur if the image is static for multiple hours (like 5+ hours), such as long video game sessions but can always be eliminated with the white bar wiping function. Most TV logos these days are transparent, which also eliminates any risk of IR.

The TV can get very bright. In a bright room, your black levels will be crap. Direct sunlight on the TV would make it unwatchable, like any other glass front TV.

I've read that after the black level rises, the IR gets really bad too on the '09 models. Is this also true for the '10 models because I know they didn't fix the rising levels, but since they've adjusted it, would the IR be as bad?
post #252 of 2271
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Originally Posted by sgt_slap_a_hoe View Post

cool thanks one more thing do i need to break in my tv before i do this?

also once i hold the vol button down and the menu pops up i cant do anything else it wont let me change anything once i press 1 or 2 it just goes away??

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Originally Posted by sgt_slap_a_hoe View Post

ok got that now im trying to use these settings http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post18252425

Excuse me sgt_slap_a_hoe but I am having the same issue with the SM closing every time I hit the numeric keys [1], [2], etc..
How did you get around that please? It is most annoying.

I have a TC-P42S2 and just finished my 100 hour slide show. I am using Dnice's specs as well and I have all the various instructions from several threads on the settings and SM but am stuck when it closes over and over.

Thanks.

Oh never mind. I found I couldn't do the edits while I was receiving a signal from the Blu-Ray player. Worked with the OTA digital signal in 1080i. Doh!
post #253 of 2271
WOW! Love my new plasma. A little smaller than my old Sony KDS-55A2020 but an awesome picture.

Thanks Dnice and everybody else for all the critical setting info!!
post #254 of 2271
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Originally Posted by jay541 View Post

Hows the IR on this tv? Most of my tv watching has logos, does the pixel orbiter take care of that or will logos be a problem and lead to burn in? Also, is this tv pretty bright? There's alot of windows in the room but no sunlight hits it directly, so should it wash out?

I've had the TC-P42S2 for three months now, and I've noticed some very very slight IR after playing some video games. Slight as in I have to switch to the IR wipe or run some slides and look real close for it. The IR goes away after watching HD, a movie, or the Anti IR-Wipe and is no big deal. I ran the break-in slides for about 50 hours, but the TV is great. I'm definitely happy about the purchase.
post #255 of 2271
can anyone help me with this r-drv thing?
post #256 of 2271
I'm kinda thinking about getting the 42" S2 over an LCD for Xbox 360, PS3, HD movies off of a laptop, and HDTV over the air (no cable/satellite). The picture quality seems to be way better then LCDs. But would you guys get it for gaming?
post #257 of 2271
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Originally Posted by sgt_slap_a_hoe View Post

can anyone help me with this r-drv thing?

Sarge.. The offsets are not numerical in nature. Press the "+" or "-" volume button the listed number of times. +5 means press volume up 5 times.
You may and may not see an actual numeric value change, i.e. [2], [3], [4], [5], etc.. For one offset I saw it went [80], [7E], [7D], [7C], [7B] after hitting the volume down key five times. One offset was a -11 and the data changed through several letter/number combos.
post #258 of 2271
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Originally Posted by J P Morgan View Post

Sarge.. The offsets are not numerical in nature. Press the "+" or "-" volume button the listed number of times. +5 means press volume up 5 times.
You may and may not see an actual numeric value change, i.e. [2], [3], [4], [5], etc.. For one offset I saw it went [80], [7E], [7D], [7C], [7B] after hitting the volume down key five times. One offset was a -11 and the data changed through several letter/number combos.

Those are hexadecimal numbers. Base 16 instead of the base 10 we're used to dealing with.

80 = 8x16+0x1 = 128
7F = 7x16+15x1 = 127
7E = 7x16+14x1 = 126

A = 10, B=11, C=12, etc.

They're popular for use with computers because you can fit a two digit hexadecimal number in a byte.
post #259 of 2271
JP Morgan,

Thanks for this! Couldn't figure that one out. It brings up a different issue which is: how can one use something like the DVE blu-ray DVD to adjust the settings in the SM? Must one use an OTA source while making adjustments, and then go back out of the menus to see any test sources on a blu-ray test DVD?

Also, anyone done a "menu" tree of all the different options / definitions from the SM? Seems like some serious trial & error and I'd bet someone might have put this together. I just can't find it out in Netland yet!

My TC-P65S2 now has about 100 hrs of the break-in DVD, and maybe 20 of HD, so looking forward to calibrating it / adjusting it this weekend. So far, really enjoy the picture.


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Originally Posted by J P Morgan View Post

Excuse me sgt_slap_a_hoe but I am having the same issue with the SM closing every time I hit the numeric keys [1], [2], etc..
How did you get around that please? It is most annoying.

I have a TC-P42S2 and just finished my 100 hour slide show. I am using Dnice's specs as well and I have all the various instructions from several threads on the settings and SM but am stuck when it closes over and over.

Thanks.

Oh never mind. I found I couldn't do the edits while I was receiving a signal from the Blu-Ray player. Worked with the OTA digital signal in 1080i. Doh!
post #260 of 2271
I have BLUR question. i seem to see a more than i was thinking i was going to with my TC-P50S2. when watching ESPN-HD baseball this week, i noticed it. i also noticed it with some basketball. the latter may have been a non-hd feed that ESPNNEWS was broadcasting. not sure. but i went plasma because i heard that the lcd was suseptable to more blurring. i really like watching football and now i am worried that there will be blur there also. can anyone assuage my fears. is some blur inevitable? is this a function of the TV being [gasp!] . . . too big? i watch from about 10-12 feet away. My source is ATT Uverse connected with HDMI.

i will add that i don't seem to notice blur with the dvd player (not blu-ray) which shows the videos in letter box (which got me thinking about my tv being too big). This is connected with Component Cables.

help pull me away from the ledge. i'm actually considering downsizing or going lcd if this can be remedied in either way. thanks a bunch. glad we have a message board.
post #261 of 2271
Bought the 54" s2 and after the break in I then changed the menu settings to DNice's recommended settings. The result is fantastic. The colors look a little more realistic now...especially the greens. Popped in T2 and checked the THX video tests. Everything looked spot on. Liked it so much that I got a 50" s2 for the bedroom! For the price I don't think the TV can be beat for the casual viewer. Thanks DNice!
post #262 of 2271
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Originally Posted by bmendoza1969 View Post

I have BLUR question. i seem to see a more than i was thinking i was going to with my TC-P50S2. when watching ESPN-HD baseball this week, i noticed it. i also noticed it with some basketball. the latter may have been a non-hd feed that ESPNNEWS was broadcasting. not sure. but i went plasma because i heard that the lcd was suseptable to more blurring. i really like watching football and now i am worried that there will be blur there also. can anyone assuage my fears. is some blur inevitable? is this a function of the TV being [gasp!] . . . too big? i watch from about 10-12 feet away. My source is ATT Uverse connected with HDMI.

i will add that i don't seem to notice blur with the dvd player (not blu-ray) which shows the videos in letter box (which got me thinking about my tv being too big). This is connected with Component Cables.

help pull me away from the ledge. i'm actually considering downsizing or going lcd if this can be remedied in either way. thanks a bunch. glad we have a message board.

Going LCD to prevent blur???
I was watching a 240mhz in the store and still wanted to vomit, I haven't noticed it on my 50G25, I'll have to through sports on the s2 upstairs and see if I notice anything. Do you have aspect ratio setting on like stretch or some such.

I wonder if it isn't how its filmed, just like I can put a camera on portrait to bring the subject into crystal clear focus which also blurs the background.
post #263 of 2271
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Originally Posted by bmendoza1969 View Post

I have BLUR question. i seem to see a more than i was thinking i was going to with my TC-P50S2. when watching ESPN-HD baseball this week, i noticed it. i also noticed it with some basketball. the latter may have been a non-hd feed that ESPNNEWS was broadcasting. not sure. but i went plasma because i heard that the lcd was suseptable to more blurring. i really like watching football and now i am worried that there will be blur there also. can anyone assuage my fears. is some blur inevitable? is this a function of the TV being [gasp!] . . . too big? i watch from about 10-12 feet away. My source is ATT Uverse connected with HDMI.

i will add that i don't seem to notice blur with the dvd player (not blu-ray) which shows the videos in letter box (which got me thinking about my tv being too big). This is connected with Component Cables.

help pull me away from the ledge. i'm actually considering downsizing or going lcd if this can be remedied in either way. thanks a bunch. glad we have a message board.

Are you seeing blur, as in trails behind a moving balls or the ball appears semi-transparent (which is panel induced)...

...or are you seeing compression artifacts (for example, background crowd or grass resolution goes to crap during fast pans to keep up with a player or ball)? That is not TV related, and from what I've heard can be pretty bad on U-Verse.
post #264 of 2271
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post


...or are you seeing compression artifacts (for example, background crowd or grass resolution goes to crap during fast pans to keep up with a player or ball)? That is not TV related, and from what I've heard can be pretty bad on U-Verse.

Much better description of what I was driving at with the camera reference above.
post #265 of 2271
I am attempting to update the firmware for my TC-P42S2 from the US Panasonic website and I am having issues. I have tried to format the card both FAT and FAT32 but either way results in the update giving an "Cannot read FILE. Check FILE in SD Card (0002)" I have downloaded both update files from the U.S. Site which are 7.5MB and 15.0 MB. Also, I have found the update on the global site which is only one file for 1.32 that is 5.0MB. None of these work. They all result in the same message. i have also tried a 1GB and 4GB SD card. I loaded the break-in slides on the 1GB and everything shows up fine but when I put the SDImage.bin file on and try to load n it gives the error. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
post #266 of 2271
i suppose what i'm seeing compression artifacts. if it is a bad feed, there is nothing i can do ...? if uverse is so bad, what is the consensus hd feed? directv? comcast?

would going smaller make a difference?

tia

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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Are you seeing blur, as in trails behind a moving balls or the ball appears semi-transparent (which is panel induced)...

...or are you seeing compression artifacts (for example, background crowd or grass resolution goes to crap during fast pans to keep up with a player or ball)? That is not TV related, and from what I've heard can be pretty bad on U-Verse.
post #267 of 2271
Well after 2-3 years of sitting on the fence about when to get my first HDTV and research, I finally had my TC-P42S2 delivered today from one of the the big boxes. I've always been partial to the Panny plasmas and I have not been disappointed at all yet. I switched over to Cinema mode and dropped the contrast down to 50. HD channels look great, and even upscaled DVDs look pretty darn decent, off an old Sony DVP-NS700H/B. I would have liked a VGA or DVI input, but, for the price I can't complain.
post #268 of 2271
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Originally Posted by bmendoza1969 View Post

i suppose what i'm seeing compression artifacts. if it is a bad feed, there is nothing i can do ...? if uverse is so bad, what is the consensus hd feed? directv? comcast?

would going smaller make a difference?

tia

From what I hear, Fios is the best for HD quality behind a simple antenna. All of the providers compress the picture a bit so that they can fit more channels. Some of the SD channels on Comcast are almost unwatchable.
post #269 of 2271
so, i am considering exchanging the tc-p50s2 for a 46" c2. it just seems too big for our living room - otherwise i like it. we sit 10-11 feet away and my wife and son watch mostly non-hd stuff. i will be watching most of the hd (football/discovery channel) and my son will play his wii.

i could tell the difference between the 720 vs 1080 side by side at BB. but since most of our viewing will be non-1080p, do you think i will be able to tell? we are connected to Uverse. my other option would be to exchange for the 46" s2, but i got such a great deal on the original 50", i would end up spending more for the 46" and that burns me...

you think i should pull the trigger and do the exchange for a c2 or an s2?
any thoughts are appreciated. my 30 day window ends this week.
post #270 of 2271
What would you get? 65" S2 or 58" VT25...... On the fence as to which to get (65vt25 is too damned expensive)
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