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post #451 of 2271
sorry for asking a last second need a quick reply question...but what mode should it be in for Burn-in with the slides??? Vivid or Cinema? i have to leave for work in 15 mins, please someone :-) sorry!
post #452 of 2271
cinema will be more gentle on the TV, so if you are concerned, use that and if someone who knows better chimes in you can up it to torch mode if that is better for slides when you get home.
post #453 of 2271
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Originally Posted by shadymg View Post

sorry for asking a last second need a quick reply question...but what mode should it be in for Burn-in with the slides??? Vivid or Cinema? i have to leave for work in 15 mins, please someone :-) sorry!

It needs to be in Photo. When you access your SD you'll have a Photo option.

Follow these settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232441
post #454 of 2271
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Originally Posted by killwhitneydead View Post

It needs to be in Photo. When you access your SD you'll have a Photo option.

Follow these settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1232441

^^^^^
What he said
post #455 of 2271
and not what I said! I've got this TV, but never ran the slides (and still looks good).

Sorry for the misinformation! You were in a hurry so i thought i'd try to help.
post #456 of 2271
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Congrats, I think you'll love the TV. My suggestion would be to forget about the slides, choose Cinema mode, and enjoy the TV. If you find yourself yearning for a better picture, then run the slides and get yourself a calibration DVD/BD.

Thanks! I think I'll prob just run the slides at night and use Cinema mode for other uses. I probably should avoid those stationary logos, or the 4:3 aspect ratio for too long these first couple of weeks though?
post #457 of 2271
If you let it run slides while you sleep and while you are not there, you can get over that 100-150hr hump real fast. Cinema is fine rest of the time.
post #458 of 2271
So, the BD85 outputs YCbCr 4:4:4 natively, and if you have a TV that can take advantage of it, it uses interpolation to get 10bit, and maybe 12 bit color, from 8 bit.

I saw a post where the G and V series can take advantage of it, but nothing on the S. My S2 has x.v.Color, and I think this is the setting I need to turn on for 4:4:4 deep color from the BD85.

Any input?
post #459 of 2271
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Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post

So, the BD85 outputs YCbCr 4:4:4 natively, and if you have a TV that can take advantage of it, it uses interpolation to get 10bit, and maybe 12 bit color, from 8 bit.

I saw a post where the G and V series can take advantage of it, but nothing on the S. My S2 has x.v.Color, and I think this is the setting I need to turn on for 4:4:4 deep color from the BD85.

Any input?

You lost me at "So, "
post #460 of 2271
Hehe.
post #461 of 2271
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Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post

So, the BD85 outputs YCbCr 4:4:4 natively, and if you have a TV that can take advantage of it, it uses interpolation to get 10bit, and maybe 12 bit color, from 8 bit.

I saw a post where the G and V series can take advantage of it, but nothing on the S. My S2 has x.v.Color, and I think this is the setting I need to turn on for 4:4:4 deep color from the BD85.

Any input?

I think that's correct, but I'm not a 100% sure. Although, I can't tell a difference with it on or off to be honest.

Here's the definition of x.v. color:
xvYCC or Extended-gamut YCC (also x.v.Color) is a color space that can be used in the video electronics of television sets to support a gamut 1.8 times as large as that of the sRGB color space. xvYCC was specified by the IEC in October 2005 and published in January 2006 as IEC 61966-2-4.

When I playback a dvd or blu ray on my BD85 the playback screen shows it's outputting 4:4:4 color to my tv. So the S2 may recognize it.
post #462 of 2271
Joerod (very knowledgeable techie here) confirmed that the S2 will accept the enhanced 4:4:4 color. So, if you have a player that gives you an option to output it, use it.
post #463 of 2271
2 quick questions because I'm new to Panasonic conventions:

1) Does "0140-3110" in the "About" menu mean firmware version 1.4?

2) Is this the latest firmware version?

Thanks in advance, and so far I'm loving my TC-P42S2.
post #464 of 2271
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Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post

Joerod (very knowledgeable techie here) confirmed that the S2 will accept the enhanced 4:4:4 color. So, if you have a player that gives you an option to output it, use it.


Just like choosing whether your 480i DVDs should be scaled to 1080p in the player, AVR/Processor or display (if you have a 1080p display it MUST be upconverted to 1080p by one of them), the real answer to whether or not you should set your player to output 4:4:4 color - even if you know your TV or AVR can accept it - is "It depends".

It depends on which of your devices does a better job of scaling the 4:2:0 color that is native to every DVD and Blu-ray disc to the RGB color that every panel uses to create it's display. Conventional wisdom says that if you have a high end player with premium video processing, then setting the player to output 4:4:4 (or RGB) may be a good idea, since it may do a better job than the TV and you have the added advantage of having all of the processing done in one location. In practice, deciding whether to output from your player in 4:2:2, 4:4:4 or RGB (most players will not output the native 4:2:0 that is on the disc) should be based on testing each possibility and determining which setting works best.

Since every playback chain will end up converting 4:2:0 > 4:2:2 > 4:4:4 > RGB... it's really a matter of which devices in your chain do the best job of it. Testing your particular combination of equipment is the only sure-fire method of picking the right settings.

For more information, see the Spears & Munsil paper, Choosing a Color Space.
post #465 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Spongeworthy View Post

2 quick questions because I'm new to Panasonic conventions:

1) Does "0140-3110" in the "About" menu mean firmware version 1.4?

2) Is this the latest firmware version?

Thanks in advance, and so far I'm loving my TC-P42S2.


You have Tuner version 1.01 and firmware version 1.34. Don't know if this is the latest.

Larry
post #466 of 2271
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

You have Tuner version 1.01 and firmware version 1.34. Don't know if this is the latest.
Larry

Thanks, but I would appreciate if you could direct me to the place where I can figure that out for myself in the future, b/c that is less than obvious to me.
post #467 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Spongeworthy View Post

Thanks, but I would appreciate if you could direct me to the place where I can figure that out for myself in the future, b/c that is less than obvious to me.


Every other number left to right stating with the second number.

Every other number right to left starting with the next to last number.

Larry
post #468 of 2271
wow!!! I want to buy a tv like it
post #469 of 2271
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Originally Posted by jcalabria View Post

Just like choosing whether your 480i DVDs should be scaled to 1080p in the player, AVR/Processor or display (if you have a 1080p display it MUST be upconverted to 1080p by one of them), the real answer to whether or not you should set your player to output 4:4:4 color - even if you know your TV or AVR can accept it - is "It depends".

It depends on which of your devices does a better job of scaling the 4:2:0 color that is native to every DVD and Blu-ray disc to the RGB color that every panel uses to create it's display. Conventional wisdom says that if you have a high end player with premium video processing, then setting the player to output 4:4:4 (or RGB) may be a good idea, since it may do a better job than the TV and you have the added advantage of having all of the processing done in on location. In practice, deciding whether to output from your player in 4:2:2, 4:4:4 or RGB (most players will not output the native 4:2:0 that is on the disc) should be based on testing each possibility and determining which setting works best.

Since every playback chain will end up converting 4:2:0 > 4:2:2 > 4:4:4 > RGB... it's really a matter of which devices in your chain do the best job of it. Testing your particular combination of equipment is the only sure-fire method of picking the right settings.

For more information, see the Spears & Munsil paper, Choosing a Color Space.


You are right, sometimes you get caught up in what you are dealing yourself.

If you a BD85, with the newer Uniphier, you can send YCbCr 4:4:4 to the S2 and it passes the Chroma tests on S&M just fine.
post #470 of 2271
I am going to get my P65S2 calibrated as I have never had one done and am curious as to how much better the picture can be. The offsets did not improve my picture at all really. I was wondering what a reasonable price is to do so and how much time should be spent calibrating it for two inputs (PVR and Blu-Ray).

I am located in Toronto and I know that most of you are in the US but our currency is close to the same as yours now.
post #471 of 2271
A general question here...I've noticed that the various picture modes have different baselines (e.g. 0 contrast in Standard is roughly 50 contrast in Cinema). Can I adjust anything in the service menu to make the picture modes start from the same values?
post #472 of 2271
Note sure, good question. I've played around in there on the 2008 model, and I THOUGHT you could change baselines.

Would be nice if there was a gamma adjustment.....
post #473 of 2271
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

A general question here...I've noticed that the various picture modes have different baselines (e.g. 0 contrast in Standard is roughly 50 contrast in Cinema). Can I adjust anything in the service menu to make the picture modes start from the same values?

No.

Larry
post #474 of 2271
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

No.

Larry

Boo
post #475 of 2271
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Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post

Look, dont go by LCD's on the showroom floor, they just look better. Unless you can go in and put in proper settings in each, then compare.

The S2 is a nice set, but wont have as accurate a color, even when it's calibrated, as a model with THX. I agree, this tv is great bang for the buck, especially the 58". I owned twp pannys, a 2006 and 2008, then went to a Toshiba LED LCD in Nov. I just sold it because I was unhappy, and wanted to go back to plasma.

As far as breakin, put the slides on an SD card and let them go for 4 days straight, then calibrate with a disc and enjoy.

I did the same thing went and bought a 52" Sharp full array back lit LED to replace my 2008 Samsung plasma (damn thing throws off some serious heat) figured with all the good reviews it had and no heat issues it would be close to the picture the plasma produced man what a serious mistake back in the box it went and is waiting to be picked up and my new plasma dropped off!
post #476 of 2271
I just hooked up the DVDO Duo pre/pro, and ran Spears and Munsil, and it's my opinion that this TV now looks better than my calibrated 2009 Regza LED 670u. Can't wait till early next month when it gets calibrated
post #477 of 2271
Elwaylite is there any reason why you chose different HD Size settings for Blu-ray and HDTV sources?
post #478 of 2271
When watching in 1:1 (Size 2), I see noise a few pixels wide running down the edge, or sometimes a black gap on the top. I just prefer it to fill the screen with the 5% overscan. On Blu-rays though, you definitely want it on Size 2.
post #479 of 2271
Just to add, definitely try HDTV on Size 2 first. For the channels I receive, the noise is only there on one channel, so I just leave it on Size 2 so I can see more of the picture.
post #480 of 2271
When you say noise, are you talking about the stuff that appears in some commericials at the very top of the screen which appears to be information that has been cut off by the broadcaster?
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