The Official Panasonic TC-PXXS2 Owner's Discussion Thread [NO Price talk] - Page 27

Originally Posted by Jared2442

damn. that last picture does not look bad at all.

maybe you set your expectations incredibly too high?

I havent really read about anybody being so let down by the PQ on the S2

Originally Posted by mantiz

I actually like the Cinema picture over the Game picture.

Originally Posted by pilillo

i agree on how it looks but what i mean is that i like the white brightness in game mode more than the cinema one and i want to keep the cinema colors but want to up the white color

Originally Posted by pilillo

i agree on how it looks but what i mean is that i like the white brightness in game mode more than the cinema one and i want to keep the cinema colors but want to up the white color

Originally Posted by Jared2442

haha daaaam... at least you know what you want!

Originally Posted by mantiz

You may need to have a proffessional calibration to get the results your looking for.

Originally Posted by alwaller

Hi all

from mantiz
[I'm not sure what you mean by cloudy because mine is very clear in cinema mode on all input sources PS3, HDDVD & Directv hd the only channels that may seem a bit cloudy or should I say fuzzy are the non hd channels but even some of them look amazingly clear. I have both my brightness and contrast below the 70 mark and it seems pretty bright to me and the colors have good pop to them nothing seems bland or dull at all. ]

I have the same feeling about my 54"S2 as Pilillo. I move up from a 720P
panasonic and I was looking for a clearer picture. More pop,colors that are
solid and brighter. I base this feeling on a 40" Insigna that my friend has.
His 40" plasma has the best picture I have seen on any plasma.
Is this a function of screen size. I also have a 34" Sony CRT HDTV that has
a great picture. I like the bright picture on a well calibrated LCD, but the
viewing angle problem and the motion blur has always stop me from buying
one.

ElwayLite {Nothing. One thing about larger screens, is they'll make a provider go from lovely on a 40", to fugly on a 65". Compression shows as you increase screen size. For instance, Directv looked better than Dish on my 55", but on my 32", they both looked great.}

Another problem might be what Elwaylite is saying about compression.
everything looks great on my 42"

I thinking about returning this set for a 50" G25. I am using Cinema and
d-nice's setting, I did not adjusted the SM. What am I doing wrong?
The set looks great with a Blu-ray source but the other sources are lacking.

AW

Originally Posted by alwaller

Hi all

from mantiz
[I'm not sure what you mean by cloudy because mine is very clear in cinema mode on all input sources PS3, HDDVD & Directv hd the only channels that may seem a bit cloudy or should I say fuzzy are the non hd channels but even some of them look amazingly clear. I have both my brightness and contrast below the 70 mark and it seems pretty bright to me and the colors have good pop to them nothing seems bland or dull at all. ]

I have the same feeling about my 54"S2 as Pilillo. I move up from a 720P
panasonic and I was looking for a clearer picture. More pop,colors that are
solid and brighter. I base this feeling on a 40" Insigna that my friend has.
His 40" plasma has the best picture I have seen on any plasma.
Is this a function of screen size. I also have a 34" Sony CRT HDTV that has
a great picture. I like the bright picture on a well calibrated LCD, but the
viewing angle problem and the motion blur has always stop me from buying
one.

ElwayLite {Nothing. One thing about larger screens, is they'll make a provider go from lovely on a 40", to fugly on a 65". Compression shows as you increase screen size. For instance, Directv looked better than Dish on my 55", but on my 32", they both looked great.}

Another problem might be what Elwaylite is saying about compression.
everything looks great on my 42"

I thinking about returning this set for a 50" G25. I am using Cinema and
d-nice's setting, I did not adjusted the SM. What am I doing wrong?
The set looks great with a Blu-ray source but the other sources are lacking.

AW

Originally Posted by kenluvstv

Please excuse what may be a basic question from a new TC-P50S2 owner.

Is there something inherently different about the Standard, Vivid, Cinema and Custom settings that makes one a better starting point than another for adjusting the settings to your own liking? That is: can't I just duplicate all the user-adjustable settings from Cinema (for example) into Custom so that Custom starts out like Cinema . . . then adjust further from there? Aren't Standard, Vivid and Cinema just names for collections of pre-adjusted variable settings?

For what it's worth, everyone in our family prefers Cinema mode. And this afternoon, I stumbled on the 1 and 2 HD image settings, and selected 2, which gives the full image and looks a tad sharper. HD 1 zooms by a few percent to eliminate noise at the border of some broadcast images. But, frankly, that seems stupid to me. Why should I settle for a slightly degraded image as the way to avoid looking at edge noise that should be the broadcaster's responsibility to eliminate?

Another question: Is there any break-in period recommended? If, so, what is the recommended user practice?

Thanks.

Ken

Originally Posted by kenluvstv

Please excuse what may be a basic question from a new TC-P50S2 owner.

Is there something inherently different about the Standard, Vivid, Cinema and Custom settings that makes one a better starting point than another for adjusting the settings to your own liking? That is: can't I just duplicate all the user-adjustable settings from Cinema (for example) into Custom so that Custom starts out like Cinema . . . then adjust further from there? Aren't Standard, Vivid and Cinema just names for collections of pre-adjusted variable settings?

For what it's worth, everyone in our family prefers Cinema mode. And this afternoon, I stumbled on the 1 and 2 HD image settings, and selected 2, which gives the full image and looks a tad sharper. HD 1 zooms by a few percent to eliminate noise at the border of some broadcast images. But, frankly, that seems stupid to me. Why should I settle for a slightly degraded image as the way to avoid looking at edge noise that should be the broadcaster's responsibility to eliminate?

Another question: Is there any break-in period recommended? If, so, what is the recommended user practice?

Thanks.

Ken

Originally Posted by PreventerWind

So I went to Best Buy AGAIN today, I think I talked myself into getting a slightly bigger size. I'm thinking of getting the 46S2 now. I know Blu Ray and Xbox 360 will be sharp and clear on this TV, but I don't know about broadcast cable. Would getting the 46" make artifacts that much more visible over the 42"?

Originally Posted by PreventerWind

So I went to Best Buy AGAIN today, I think I talked myself into getting a slightly bigger size. I'm thinking of getting the 46S2 now. I know Blu Ray and Xbox 360 will be sharp and clear on this TV, but I don't know about broadcast cable. Would getting the 46" make artifacts that much more visible over the 42"?

Originally Posted by rainmakr

I recently bought the Samsung LN46C630 and returned one because the bleed & clouding was bad (horrible at 25 degrees off axis). I'm about to return the second for the same reason and am considering switching to the Panasonic TC-P46S2. It will be in the basement with some daylight windows about 60 degrees off the center of the TV.

This TV will primarily be used for Blu Ray and standard def. DVDs (probably 1/3 Blu-Ray and 2/3 standard def), and for playing Wii. Seating distance is 8-10 feet.

I am curious about the fading blacks that have been reported. My main question is, is the problem all that noticeable with the naked eye? And, how much different is the faded black when compared to an LCD such as the Samsung LN46C630. I'm not a videophile and won't be doing professional calibration.

My second concern is with screen reflections, but I think I'll be OK there.

I apologize if this question has been answered. I did search the forums and found reports of fading blacks but could not get a feel for how noticeable it is.

Thanks,
John

Originally Posted by spivonious

How far away will you be sitting? At 10' you won't benefit from 1080p at those sizes. If this TV is going to be your bedroom TV in a couple years (if your other thread is related) then save some money and get a 720p model and then get a nicer 50"+ model in a few years.

Originally Posted by rainmakr

I recently bought the Samsung LN46C630 and returned one because the bleed & clouding was bad (horrible at 25 degrees off axis). I'm about to return the second for the same reason and am considering switching to the Panasonic TC-P46S2. It will be in the basement with some daylight windows about 60 degrees off the center of the TV.

This TV will primarily be used for Blu Ray and standard def. DVDs (probably 1/3 Blu-Ray and 2/3 standard def), and for playing Wii. Seating distance is 8-10 feet.

I am curious about the fading blacks that have been reported. My main question is, is the problem all that noticeable with the naked eye? And, how much different is the faded black when compared to an LCD such as the Samsung LN46C630. I'm not a videophile and won't be doing professional calibration.

My second concern is with screen reflections, but I think I'll be OK there.

I apologize if this question has been answered. I did search the forums and found reports of fading blacks but could not get a feel for how noticeable it is.

Thanks,
John

Originally Posted by PreventerWind

The farthest away I will be is 6'

Originally Posted by spivonious

minimum size for the average human eye to benefit from a 1080p screen at 6' is 49". This is based on visual acuity. If you have better than 20/20 vision, then you can still benefit with a smaller screen.

http://www.hdhes.com/tv/hdtvviewdistance.aspx

If you are indeed planning on upgrading in a year or two, I'd serously consider a 720p set to save money. Sunday's newspaper had an ad for the 50" 720p Panasonic plasma for under $700, while the 1080p S2 is still going for $1000-$1100. In two years, 1080p plasmas will be dirt cheap and you'll be able to get a much bigger screen.

Originally Posted by spivonious

Sunday's newspaper had an ad for the 50" 720p Panasonic plasma for under $700, while the 1080p S2 is still going for $1000-$1100.

Originally Posted by PreventerWind

Since when did this forum become a spell checkers convention?

The main reason for going for the S2 over the C2 or even the U2 for that matter is better AR filter and better blacks, 1080p had little to do with the decision. Everytime I've seen the C2, it was like looking into a mirror. I could get dressed in the morning using that TV.

Originally Posted by kenluvstv

Check BestBuy and Sears online. Prices are already lower than that. Plus, if you buy with a Sears card, you get another 10% off. If you open a Sears card, I believe you get another $15 as a credit on your first bill, bringing the cost of the 50-inch S2 below $800! That's what I did Monday.