The Official AVS TiVo "Series4" Premiere topic - Page 42

I used my TiVo to order Midnight in Paris the other night and it played *mostly* fine with four or five moments where there were brief freezes with blocky artifacts plainly visible. Audio seemed to keep going ok.

This may be a seasonal issue- maybe more people were hitting amazon's network that night (yes I realize their video distribution services may be provisioned separately from their e-commerce stuff, but the holidays may also be peak VOD season as well). I wonder if we would see this as often in March, let's say.

Also while we are on the VOD topic, note Netflix quality may improve soon according to this article
http://www.techofthehub.com/2011/10/...g-to-tivo.html
"TiVo has acknowledged they are working on implementing a new Netflix client incorporating the new SDK and it will support 1080P video"

True, older boxes may not support the 1080p part, but I'm hopeful that *all* TiVo customers will get an updated Netflix client that will at least support newer encodings and thus improve quality.

New TiVo Premier XL user.... maybe a dumb question -

My son and I are going to the Saints/Lions playoff game Saturday night. My wife will be home with some friends watching the game on TV with the TiVo so that she can sync (delay) the TV picture a bit to align with the local radio broadcast (friendly announcers).

I have the TiVo set to record the game, with extra time padded on to the end. When my wife uses the Tivo to sync with the radio sound:

Will her "Live TV" be using the same tuner as the one being recorded from, or the second tuner?

If it is using the same tuner and then she changes the channel or something, will it be transparent to her (no questions about "do you want to cancel this recording")?

Please pardon my ignorance, but I've only been using TiVo for less than a week . . .

In my market, radio play-by-play arrives *faster* than TV; no amount of fiddling with the TV will help, you need a Tivo-type device to delay your *radio*.

You cannot make the TV signal arrive faster than it is broadcast, and usually TV has significant delay relative to radio.

Maybe your local radio station deliberately delays their broadcast even *more* than TV, but I would be surprised if so.

YES, it does. and the FM radio simulcast is delayed even more than the (primary) AM broadcast. I normally choose the FM (most delayed) paired with the OTA broadcast (least video delay) and then delay the video to suit.

I've done this for years with my Sony DVR's... but this will be the first time with the TiVo's. Since I won't be here (but my wife will) I'm trying to know what to expect beforehand, regarding just how the TiVo's will perform.

Interesting-I stand corrected!

A long as you aren't recording a second program on the other tuner, your wife should be able to change the channel with no warnings.

Good luck!

May I inquire as to the call letters of the radio station?

Wwl 870 am. 105.3 fm

TiVo Premiere gets major face lift, starts rolling out tonight.

http://twitpic.com/photos/tivodesign

TiVo Premiere update brings HD guide, multi-room streaming, more
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/05/t...treaming-more/

WWL is on vradio, so I can stream it on my AVR. But it can't be used for the audio on an HDMI input. Audio inputs are only good for a 0 to 250ms lip-sync adjustment anyway. You could (if you had my AVR) feed the output of a radio and use that for audio, but most TV broadcasts use a 6 second delay. Anyhow, my idea won't work. BTW, only the AM station is on IP radio, not the FM.

Extremely cool news- thanks for posting!

I don't see how this is going to work with a Tivo because it has, what, a 3-second live buffer built in? I don't think your radio would be delayed that long.

I don't know.. that's why I'm asking the question! This is the first game we'll be trying it on (using the TiVo instead of the Sony) and add to that the fact that I won't be home.. my wife will be at the controls .

But in my case WWL AM radio is somewhat delayed (for the Saints games) and the WWL FM simulcast is always delayed about 8 to 10 seconds from the AM broadcast. The station claims to be delaying the AM broadcast so that people can do just what I do.. turn down the sound on the TV. But it's difficult for them to do, since the OTA, Cable, and Satellite video feed all arrive at different times. what has always worked best for me was to use the FM (most delayed) broadcast and the OTA (best quality and first to arrive) video, and then delay the video to sync them together.

Beginning this season, WWL also has the rights to stream the Saints games on their "Listen Live" internet feed. This adds about another 15 or 20 seconds of delay, but I've never had to resort to using it.

There is also an official TiVo App for android now.

https://market.android.com/details?i...ophone.android

I'm looking for an OTA STB Tuner and in another thread someone mentioned getting a TiVo Premiere. They said that if I only wanted to use it as a tuner then I wouldn't need to pay for the subscription. I've got a couple of HTPC's that record everything I need. I just need a good OTA tuner for my theater projector so that I can watch football on the big screen. The PC that I use now looses the picture every now and then.

So, can I use the TiVo Premiere without a subscription if all I want is a tuner?

From searching this thread, it will work as a tuner. No network or recording. I don't know why it can't do manual recordings, but I don't have one (yet).

Up top there is a Search Thread tab. Enter "without subscription" and you will get many opinions.

Still waiting for my update...

The update rolls out later this month. They are sending it early (this weekend) to anyone who contacted Margret at TiVo earlier this week with their TSN, but I missed deadline.

Yes, but guide data will not be available, and it will nag you every so often about not having a subscription.

-Ted

I can deal with that. When I watch TV on the big screen it's for a specific show and it's actually the only live TV I watch. All other TV is recorded in the living room with our media center PC.

I understand that this has a very good and reliable tuner in it. That's what I'm looking for since it seems that the OTA STB tuners all seem to be somewhat unreliable.

Thanks for the information.

Quick follow up question. If I buy one new at best buy their website states that a minimum 1 year subscription is required. Does this mean that I have to buy a used TiVo or can I buy the new one and just ignore the subscription?

The price at Best Buy is lower than list, hence the subscription to get their money back. You need to find one that isnt subsidized with the requirement.

It can do manual recordings without a sub according to some folks over at TCF, but you have to unplug it from the net before your 7-day Tivo trial sub runs out. The problem is that the clock will drift over time.

If all you need is a tuner box, it will work fine for that without a sub. In fact, it's a very cheap way to add a cable box vs. renting if you get a Cablecard.

what about the little channels you get ota.
do you get a guide with them too?
In my town we have things like me tv. When I look at the guide on my tv all it says is times, nothing about what show is on.
10:00 am KMYA metv
11:00 am KMYA metv
etc
you can go to the metv web site and see whats on.
we have several OTA channels like this, RTV has a one day listing and their web site list the shows but nothing about the episode information.

Thank you for the tip about pulling the network access. I don't care about the guide or the cable card. But are you saying that there is no manual clock set ability? I guess I will find out next week when my Premier gets here.

I have an HD STB. Runs about $7 a month, service is $11. Without either I still have 140 clear QAM channels with 20 in HD. But someday a letter will come telling me how much better things will be with SDV. I want to be prepared.

Hey, it looks like they are going to open up the preview of the update for a day, according to TiVo's Margret Schmidt's Twitter: "To get on the priority list for the Premiere update, you need to EMAIL your TiVo Service Number to margret at tivo dot com by NOON PT Monday"

Get in quick if you want the new banners/guide before it rolls out in a couple weeks.

It will work as an OTA tuner without subscription fee, but you need an internet connection for initial setup. Ethernet cable is cheaper than their $89 wireless adapter. It receives program info from Tribune Media rather than PSIP data. Unplug ethernet cable and it will continue to receive OTA channels, but program info may not remain after a few days. And without internet connection, it will tune channels by RF# rather than channel #. Example, WBTV is 23 rather than 3.

When you purchase at Best Buy, you are not required to pay for a subscription, just the box itself. I purchased while on sale for $79 a few weeks ago. If their online price is cheaper than $99, ask the store to price match.

That 's not a problem.

On another site I now read that the TiVo Premiere's OTA tuner isn't that good and that an older TiVo is better. I was all ready to pull the trigger on one but now I'm not sure. Now I'm back to looking at the more expensive PrimeDTV PHD-8VX which is suppose to have a very sensitive OTA tuner.

At your location near the Dallas towers, even a paperclip antenna should work for most channels. And the Charlotte signals should be easily received as well, except for perhaps WTVI RF11. Plus WSOC has a translator on RF30 right there at Crowders Mtn. So, unless you want Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville reception, the Tivo Premiere should work just fine. My Premiere receives all Dallas, NC signals here in Greenville, SC at 75 miles just fine. But my Samsung TV tuner does lock onto the weaker WSOC translator whereas the Tivo sometimes loses it.

It has a thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18908259

Please note that there is no scheduled shipping date.