The Official AVS TiVo "Series4" Premiere topic - Page 51

True, but (if you can believe the ad), you get almost 2x the storage and can get a 12 month service plan for $15 a month. At the end of a year you save $10 and still have the larger HDD.

Anyone who receives the email about special Premier Phone-only offer: if you buy the $99 unit from them you can get the service for $15. If you already have the unit, don't call.

New TiVo lower pricing coming next week w/ larger Premiere HDD
http://blog.tivo.com/2012/03/new-upg...avorite-shows/

* NEW Model #TCD746500 - TiVo Premiere $149.99: Records two shows at once and up to 75 hours of HD content
500GB/75 Hours HD, 2 tuners, analog cable, digital cable, FiOS, antenna

* TiVo Premiere XL $249.99 (reduced $50): Records two shows at once and up to 150 hours of HD content
1TB/150 Hours HD, 2 tuners, analog cable, digital cable, FiOS, antenna

* TiVo Premiere Elite $399.99 (reduced $100): Records four shows at once and up to 300 hours of HD content
2TB/300 Hours HD, 4 tuners, digital cable, FiOS w/ MoCA onboard

* The TiVo monthly service fee is now $14.99 per month, with a one-year commitment, making it lower on a monthly basis than most cable offerings
* Multi-service discount pricing is now $12.99 per month
* Lifetime Service, one-time priceing - $499.99 (1st TiVo), $399.99 (addt'l TiVos)

"Please note: This product requires digital cable" states on the product page for the new Tivos just announced.

Looking at the specs for the new Premiere(s) just recently announced from Tivo, I have to ask is Tivo getting out of the OTA business? Are they in collusion with the cable companies to discourage people receiving TV signals from their antennas.

I'm really disappointed with Tivo after reading this announcement.

Does anyone have any insight in this matter or share my concern?

Thanks

Edit: I see that I judged to quickly and did not read the above post properly. Yes, Tivo still supports OTA and digital cable, just more offerings.

I stand corrected. Thanks aaronwt for pointing out my mistake.

What do you mean? The only thing that changed is the lower model is getting a larger hard drive, with a $50 increase in price. And the upper models are getting a reduction in price. There is no change in the tuners offered. The two tuner models can still handle OTA and the four tuner Elite is for digital cable only. Which has always been the case since it's launch in early October 2011.

I received an email from TiVo earlier this week, which was supposedly sent to a small number of TiVo users. The email included a link to a survey, which I started to complete. About 6 or 8 questions into the survey I decided to stop, and emailed them the following instead . . .
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Subject: RE: TiVo subscriber survey -- your opinion counts

I started to answer the questions in your survey, but quickly gave up when I realized that the survey presented the questions in a manner skewed to produce the results that you wanted to achieve. In particular, the question that prompted me to immediately quit the survey was the one that pertained to "how do you receive your TV programming" with the choices being "Cable, Satellite, U-verse, or OTA". I can tell you that I receive programming by Cable, but I also receive programming via OTA.. and that option is VERY VERY important to me. It is obvious that TiVo does not want to support OTA, a fact made clear by the total lack of OTA capability in the latest TiVo offering, the Premier Elite. It was apparent that I could not choose "both" as a response to the survey question, and the survey was designed in such a way that the participant could not see the path that the questioning would follow after his or her initial answer was given. Send me a reasonable survey and I will participate.


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From: Tivo
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:30 PM
To:
Subject: TiVo subscriber survey -- your opinion counts


Dear TiVo Subscriber,

Do you have a few minutes to participate in a survey? It is only being sent to a small group of TiVo subscribers, so your participation really counts. When you complete the survey, we'll enter you in a drawing to win a grand prize $200 Amazon.com gift card or one of 3 $50 Amazon.com gift cards!

We're interested in your thoughts about your TiVo DVR's features and functionality. The survey will take about 15 minutes to complete. Note: We will need you to use your TiVo Premiere DVR for some portions of this survey.

That question about programming has been asked in their surveys for many years. It is nothing new.

I wonder if the new TiVo Premiere will have an upgraded tuner with better sensitivity for OTA ATSC reception? The current model is ok, but not as good as my built in TV tuners.

Most people seem to think TiVo just fitted a larger disk drive, probably because 500GB drives are now easier to find than 320GB drives and are about the same price. Other parts are probably unchanged. They can't use the tuners from the Elite because they don't handle OTA, and besides they don't seem to work as well as the ones in the regular Premieres, which are actually quite good IMHO.

Yes but was the choice between OTA and cable really either/or? Radio button not check box? That's bad survey design at best, deliberately introducing bias at worst.

+1

That's exactly the way I took it.

Hi, today I noticed in the "My Shows" section, that there is a "HD Recordings" sub-category containing about 20 programs that I never scheduled. Is there an option somewhere to prevent the Premiere from recording non scheduled programs? Thanks in advance

Turn off "suggestions"?

What he said:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21477276

Thanks! It's turned off now. I remember seeing "Tivo's Suggestions" in the settings, but did not know the suggestions would be recorded (still a newbie, I've only had my Premiere for a couple of weeks )

If you're a TiVo newbie, you might want to try out the Suggestions feature before dismissing it. I know that at first it is something of a pain, but if you will assign "Thumbs Up" and "Thumbs Down" ratings (one to three) to the suggested shows before deleting them, you will eventually get the feature fine-tuned so that it primarily finds shows that you will have potential interest in. I just upgraded my two TiVo HD's to Premiere's and am going through the hassle of instructing my "Suggestions" all over again, but it is worth it to me in the long run when I find interesting recordings that I would otherwise have missed. It's not an exact science, but--similar to Pandora music--it can be very useful.

And you can always just ignore the "Suggestions" recordings since they are tagged with the lowest retention priority and thus will never take storage space away from the shows you want to retain.

This is good advice, thanks. I might give it a try to see how well it reads my personal tastes.

Also remember that TiVo always records suggestions on the "empty space" of the hard drive. It will never delete a scheduled recording to make room for suggestions.

Also, it shouldn't switch channels to record a suggestion if you've used the remote recently.

Wasn't the new price actually announced at $349.99?

That was a typo.

I was going to wait and see when the IP box is released and at what price. But now I think I'm just going to get a second Elite as soon as I get my next 12% off coupon at BestBuy. Then I'll sell one of my Lifetime Premieres when I get the coupon and when the IP box is released I'll sell my last lifetime Premiere and pick up the TiVo IP box.

Then my last two tuner Premiere will be the one I have on the $6.95 a month plan.

Then choose OTA and move the bias towards your preferred service.

That's silly. I have Cable and OTA for different reasons. I wouldn't say that either Cable or OTA was my "preferred service". There are things on Cable that I cannot watch on OTA.. that's why I have Cable. There are things on OTA that have better image quality than Cable (like fast moving sports).. that's why I have OTA. Also, the "uptime" for OTA is virtually 100%. I have had Cox Cable and Charter Cable at the places I've lived, and outages are not all that infrequent... and when the Cable does go out I have OTA. Everything I record from the broadcast networks I record from OTA, and that is probably 80% of what we record in my house. People that have never bothered with OTA just don't realize the difference. And for a static (or slow moving) image there is no difference. But when the action picks up the difference become much more apparent.

Odd...I can't remember the last time I had a Cox cable TV outage. HSI? Yes. TV? Not for years.

What was a "typo"?

http://www.multichannel.com/article/...onthly_Fee.php

"The 2-Terabyte Elite carries a retail list price of $349.99, which is $150 less than TiVo's previously announced $499.99 list price."

If the $349.99 price was a typo, then the "$150 less than TiVo's previously announced $499.99 list price" must be a typo, too.

According to Dave Zatz,
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2012-03/...-fee-reduction

If you read through the comments, He says TiVo's first press, had the $349.99 price for the Elite, that is what Multichannel is still reporting, even though TiVo changed the price before going live, typo or last minute price change, who knows. $399.99 is the official price on TiVo's website now.

But here is one now on sale for $359.99 (Availability: Back Ordered 7 To 10 Days)
http://www.abt.com/product/57088/TiVo-TCD758250.html

You don't list your location in your profile.. I'll have to assume it's Heaven

Name gives it away. Near San Diego. I have had only one cable outage in five years. One zipcode away is not so good. All cable is local.

Just look up the zip-code. [I had to leave you some sort of challenge.]

Yes, but nobody is worried about cable being phased out. It seems that everyone is worried about TiVo dropping OTA. If that's the case, sandbag!

It's a little more complicated than that. TiVo must understand that Cable and OTA should not be exclusive of each other. In other words two RF inputs are important, as well as the capability to tune OTA. I listen to CD's and LP's, and sometimes MP3's. I don't have to swap around cables or use external switchers to do so.