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post #1741 of 3304
I have question about my Series 4 Premier XL. I got one back in March and am under contract with TIVO until next March. However, we just switched to DirecTV and I went with the whole home DVR. Now, I need to sell my XL. How do I do that w/ the 5 remaining months left? Do I just transfer the account to the buyer? I paid almost $300 for it new and my buyout would be $75 (5 months x $14.99). What would be a fair selling price and would I be able to include the five months of service that is left? Or, would we change account names and account info.?
post #1742 of 3304
quick q's before i buy the lifetime subscription...if the box fails at any given point. i will at least get a equal value replacement one correct? or is it when the unit fails you have to start all over again. ie; fork out another 500.00 bucks
post #1743 of 3304
Usually they'll let you get a refurb and transfer service for $150 or so after it falls out of warranty.

But the usual case of failure is the drive, and there are cheaper ways to fix that yourself.
post #1744 of 3304
New update did add a few more menus in HD... multiroom viewing etc
post #1745 of 3304
Just bought a cheap refurb Premiere. I need to decide in the next 30 days whether to purchase lifetime or not on it.
post #1746 of 3304
How much and where?

Can you use the extender that's suppose to be coming out with it?
post #1747 of 3304
I would like to hear from people with experience transferring recorded shows from network storage (i.e. PC or NAS) back to the TiVo Premier for viewing.

I currently have a TiVo HD and am strictly OTA. I like to upload recordings to my network storage -- I tend to collect all the episodes of a series for block viewing in the summer. I have a media-PC running TiVo desktop that automatically pulls the shows off the TiVo as soon as they have recorded. The information I'm looking for is how well the Premier does when transferring the shows back to the TiVo for viewing.

The TiVo HD has a limited network transfer speed of ~10 Mbps. When I want to pull an HDTV recording back from storage the TiVo HD is unable to play it as soon as I initiate the transfer -- the transfer rate can't keep up. I have to let it transfer for a good 20-30 min before I can start playing it and be assured of uninterrupted viewing to the end of the show.

It is my understanding that one of the big improvements of the TiVo Premier's hardware is much faster network transfer speeds. So what I want to know, given the above scenario, can I start playing the HDTV show as soon as I initiate the transfer from network storage without buffer under-run? Is the transfer rate of the TiVo Premier fast enough to keep up?

With the holidays approaching, I'm getting the itch to treat myself my family to a new TiVo Premier. But the only way I can really justify it (to my wife) is if the transfer rate is fast enough to allow her to play her shows back from storage without having to wait longer than it takes to start the transfer. So I would especially like to hear from someone who actually does this and can say, yes or no, it does/doesn't work just like you want it to.
post #1748 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

.... So what I want to know, given the above scenario, can I start playing the HDTV show as soon as I initiate the transfer from network storage without buffer under-run? Is the transfer rate of the TiVo Premier fast enough to keep up? . . .

I have three Premier XL's, connected on a wireless-N network that only the TiVo's use. The Premiers are located in adjoining rooms, and I have an access point located in the same room as one of the TiVo's. When I transfer files from one TiVo to another, I can often complete the transfer of an hour-long show in slightly over 20 minutes. I often watch shows via TiVo #1, which are recorded on TiVo #2 or #3. The live transfer while watching almost never produces any stutter or other issues. Within moments of starting to watch the show, fast-fwd and 30-second skip work fine.

If you have a hard-wired connection you should absolutely have no problems whatsoever. The performance I'm getting with wireless did require some initial work and experimentation to get it to work as well as it does.
post #1749 of 3304
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

If you have a hard-wired connection you should absolutely have no problems whatsoever.
Thanks for the info. Yes it is hard-wired to the equipment rack and the throughput is good enough to stream full bitrate BD rips from the same server farm.

A little while after I wrote my inquiry, it occurred to me to revisit the #1 post of this thread -- not first on my list since it hasn't been updated in 2.5 yr. The answer to my specific question was there. MPEG-2 transfers from PC to TiVo are running 40Mbps which is 4X the speed of my TiVo HD. He reports no problems streaming HD content from his PC to the Premier.

I guess I'm sold. I'll just have to keep my eyes open for Christmas specials and sales.
post #1750 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I would like to hear from people with experience transferring recorded shows from network storage (i.e. PC or NAS) back to the TiVo Premier for viewing.
I currently have a TiVo HD and am strictly OTA. I like to upload recordings to my network storage -- I tend to collect all the episodes of a series for block viewing in the summer. I have a media-PC running TiVo desktop that automatically pulls the shows off the TiVo as soon as they have recorded. The information I'm looking for is how well the Premier does when transferring the shows back to the TiVo for viewing.
The TiVo HD has a limited network transfer speed of ~10 Mbps. When I want to pull an HDTV recording back from storage the TiVo HD is unable to play it as soon as I initiate the transfer -- the transfer rate can't keep up. I have to let it transfer for a good 20-30 min before I can start playing it and be assured of uninterrupted viewing to the end of the show.
It is my understanding that one of the big improvements of the TiVo Premier's hardware is much faster network transfer speeds. So what I want to know, given the above scenario, can I start playing the HDTV show as soon as I initiate the transfer from network storage without buffer under-run? Is the transfer rate of the TiVo Premier fast enough to keep up?
With the holidays approaching, I'm getting the itch to treat myself my family to a new TiVo Premier. But the only way I can really justify it (to my wife) is if the transfer rate is fast enough to allow her to play her shows back from storage without having to wait longer than it takes to start the transfer. So I would especially like to hear from someone who actually does this and can say, yes or no, it does/doesn't work just like you want it to.

I get around 70Mb/s transfer rates between my TiVo Desktop PC and my TiVo Premiere boxes. That is several times the bitrate of any broadcast content. And a huge improvement in transfer speeds to/from TiVo Desktop over the Series 3 boxes.
post #1751 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I would like to hear from people with experience transferring recorded shows from network storage (i.e. PC or NAS) back to the TiVo Premier for viewing.
....
I had a TivoHD and updated it to the Premiere because of the increased network copy speeds. However, I discovered that you do not need to replace your TivoHD to get better streaming speeds. If you use KMTTG (Google it...) and re-encode the video to the HB_TIVO_HD profile that you get rather good quality MP4 videos that you can view almost immediately. (note that I edited the Handbreak profile for Tivo to use 10Mbps instead of the 5 Mbps that it was using). Ive read that Tivo splits TiVO and MPG files into separate audio and video streams before it stores them - this is one reason it has slow throughput with TTG. It does not do this with MP4 files. I used StreamBaby to move the MP4 files to my TivoHD.

I did this with several season of Fringe and blocked viewed them over the summer. Worked great.
post #1752 of 3304
I have the original Premier. After 2 years, it is getting noisy and I think it is the fan.

Can anyone tell me how to replace the fan and what fan to buy?

Thanks, cb
post #1753 of 3304
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Originally Posted by abredt View Post

I have the original Premier. After 2 years, it is getting noisy and I think it is the fan.
Can anyone tell me how to replace the fan and what fan to buy?
Thanks, cb

You can get a replacement fan here.

http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-fans.php

They also include the torx tools needed.

It's just the four screws for the fan(or is it two?) and the screws on the back to remove the cover. It takes longer to deal with the cover than to replace the fan. But it still only takes a few minutes.
post #1754 of 3304
Speaking of replacements, I have an original 320GB Premiere. How hard is it to add a larger internal drive? I know there are external options but would rather not have another box.

Second question. The Desktop software works great to copy titles from the TiVo to the PC. Is there software to allow sending the titles back to the TiVo?
post #1755 of 3304
These people are great.

I ordered a 750MB drive from them for a Series 3 several years ago. Super easy and the drive came pre-formatted with the TiVo software.

http://www.weaknees.com/tivo-upgrade.php
post #1756 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Speaking of replacements, I have an original 320GB Premiere. How hard is it to add a larger internal drive? I know there are external options but would rather not have another box.
Second question. The Desktop software works great to copy titles from the TiVo to the PC. Is there software to allow sending the titles back to the TiVo?

Not hard at all, this thread is your friend. You'll need a PC that ideally has a couple of free SATA ports (or you can use a USB-to-SATA adapter) and a Torx screwdriver for the Tivo, think they are T-10 or T-15. Takes 5 mins. to open the case and get the drive out, then you put the old and new drives in the PC, boot off of the jmfs CD follow the prompts and wait a few hours for the copy to be done. That's it. Can go up to 2TB last time I checked.

pyTivo and kmttg are the best two programs for Tivo-to-PC transfers in both directions. Tivo Desktop is bloated and has too many limitations, but it is easy to use. But kmttg is not bad.
post #1757 of 3304
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

pyTivo and kmttg are the best two programs for Tivo-to-PC transfers in both directions. Tivo Desktop is bloated and has too many limitations, but it is easy to use. But kmttg is not bad.

Thanks. I'm deciding which way to go.

I couldn't find where the TiVo Desktop could send a title back. Getting it off the TiVo was easy and took about 15 minutes.
post #1758 of 3304
I'm a new Tivo Premiere fourum member, so just wanted to say HI to all.
I just replaced my Sony DHG-HDD DVRs with Tivo Premiere 4s and, so far, I sure am liking the Tivos!!!

Thanks
James
post #1759 of 3304
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

I'm a new Tivo Premiere fourum member, so just wanted to say HI to all.
I just replaced my Sony DHG-HDD DVRs with Tivo Premiere 4s and, so far, I sure am liking the Tivos!!!
Thanks
James
Did you lose your TVGOS or are you just being proactive?
post #1760 of 3304
Hi all,
I will soon lose use of my Sony DHg's and may soon buy a Tivo. Since I'm OTA only which Tvio do you recommend? I read the series 3 has a better tuner than the new preimere. Is that true?
Also can you change the order of channels in guide like in the Sonys? Where is the best place with price in mind to buy?

Thanks
SS-Stingray
post #1761 of 3304
stingray -

You need a Premier or a Premier XL, or an older used model. The Premier Elite or XL4 doesn't have an OTA tuner.

I have three XL's and have no problem with the OTA tuners. My broadcast towers are about 40-45 miles away. I've never tried to chnage the order of the channels, so I don't know the answer to that one. I bought all of mine from Amazon last December.
post #1762 of 3304
I'm an OTA-only Sony DHG refugee myself. My TVGOS listings ended last week. I just finished provisionally setting up a new Premiere. I did the channel scan with my rooftop antenna aimed towards my "main" city, with stations mostly 50-80 miles away. All of them come in fine as far as I can tell now.

I went to the Channels section in Settings, and found that my master channel list contains not only the "main" city's stations, but also stations from two other cities that I can get if I rotate the antenna. TiVo presumably decides this according to my ZIP code. The "main" city's stations are checked (which gives me guide listings for them), and the others are not. Does the channel scan simply check/uncheck boxes, or does it also enable me to tune the stations? To put it another way, if I check the box for one of my "other" stations, and rotate the antenna so I can receive it, will I actually get it? Or do I have to do another channel scan which will presumably wipe out some of my current stations?

(I could try it, of course, but I'm in the middle of a football game that I don't want to lose. tongue.gif)
post #1763 of 3304
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Hi all,
I will soon lose use of my Sony DHg's and may soon buy a Tivo. Since I'm OTA only which Tvio do you recommend? I read the series 3 has a better tuner than the new preimere. Is that true?
Also can you change the order of channels in guide like in the Sonys? Where is the best place with price in mind to buy?
Thanks
SS-Stingray
I am OTA only and have 3Tivos an Original Series 3, a Tivo HD, & a Premiere. They all work fine for OTA but the Premiere can not deal with multi-path issues as well as the other 2. Note multi-path issues are not necessarily related to distance from the towers so a person 50+ miles from the towers could be having no reception issues and another person 25 miles from the towers could be having lots of multi-path reception issues. Which to buy depends allot on you. Do you mind the risk of used equipment and limited future support? Or do you want a warranty and the latest and greatest? What ever you get I recommend getting life time service, the older Series 3 units are near worthless without lifetime so I wouldn't even think of one of those without lifetime already being on it.

Good Luck
post #1764 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Did you lose your TVGOS or are you just being proactive?

Hi Joe

I see lots of familiar faces here.
No, still receiving the TVGOS in my market. It's just time to upgrade.

James
post #1765 of 3304
Thanks to all who answered. I have been leaning to a new premiere. Lifetime also. I read don't buy the lifetime until the second month. If you put in a cupon code I can save 100 bucks on lifetime.
Can anybody verify that? I will see if tvio has a black friday sale. If anybody sees a deal ,let me know.

Thanks

SS-stingray
post #1766 of 3304
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

I went to the Channels section in Settings, and found that my master channel list contains not only the "main" city's stations, but also stations from two other cities that I can get if I rotate the antenna. TiVo presumably decides this according to my ZIP code. The "main" city's stations are checked (which gives me guide listings for them), and the others are not. Does the channel scan simply check/uncheck boxes, or does it also enable me to tune the stations? To put it another way, if I check the box for one of my "other" stations, and rotate the antenna so I can receive it, will I actually get it?

Yes! cool.gif
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Or do I have to do another channel scan which will presumably wipe out some of my current stations?

No! cool.gif

Every tuner I've used before has used the PSIP data in the RF channels that it actually finds a signal on, to build the table of virtual channels versus RF channels. TiVo apparently provides this table as part of the guide data downloaded via the Internet, based on your ZIP code. So in my case, even though the TiVo's tuner had not yet actually "seen" e.g. virtual channels 36.1 and 36.2 on RF channel 22, they were in the guide data for my ZIP code. After checking the boxes for 36.1 and 36.2 in Settings --> Channels --> Channel List, and rotating my antenna, I was able to tune to those channels and see their guide data.

I was worried that I'd be "stuck" with being able to tune and get guide data for only one city at a time. But it looks like I can get guide data for all the stations that I can actually receive at least semi-regularly. Now I'm a happy camper. biggrin.gif

Of course, if a station changes its RF channel, I'll have to depend on TiVo to update its data, but that won't happen very often.
post #1767 of 3304
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Thanks to all who answered. I have been leaning to a new premiere. Lifetime also. I read don't buy the lifetime until the second month. If you put in a cupon code I can save 100 bucks on lifetime.
Can anybody verify that? I will see if tvio has a black friday sale. If anybody sees a deal ,let me know.
Thanks
SS-stingray
buy lifetime upfront no advantage to waiting a month. No idea about you being able to get discount, if you know someone with a TiVo who qualifies for the Multi service discount they can buy a lifetime unit for you and transfer the unit to you after you are sure everything is working.

Good Luck,
post #1768 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Thanks. I'm deciding which way to go.
I couldn't find where the TiVo Desktop could send a title back. Getting it off the TiVo was easy and took about 15 minutes.
With TiVo desktop you initiate the transfer back to the TiVo from the TiVo. TiVo desktop runs as a server so the published folders appear in the TiVo playlist menu.

I used to use kmttg for TiVo --> PC transfers until I set up a media-PC that runs 24x7. kmttg is great for manual TiVo-->PC transfers. Now I run TiVo desktop as a server which I find much more effective on a media-PC. TiVo desktop allows you to tag series for automatic transfer to remote storage as soon as the recordings complete. Information earlier in this thread indicates that transfer from PC-->TiVo Premier is fast enough to be able to play the title within a minute of starting the transfer. Its really pretty cool.
post #1769 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

With TiVo desktop you initiate the transfer back to the TiVo from the TiVo. TiVo desktop runs as a server so the published folders appear in the TiVo playlist menu.
I used to use kmttg for TiVo --> PC transfers until I set up a media-PC that runs 24x7. kmttg is great for manual TiVo-->PC transfers. Now I run TiVo desktop as a server which I find much more effective on a media-PC. TiVo desktop allows you to tag series for automatic transfer to remote storage as soon as the recordings complete. Information earlier in this thread indicates that transfer from PC-->TiVo Premier is fast enough to be able to play the title within a minute of starting the transfer. Its really pretty cool.

Thank you. I never thought to look at the TiVo. I was going to expand my unit with a bigger HD, but I might just let my laptop be the server. It runs WMC and doesn't do much except act as a nice Win7 backup. The box I'm using now is an old Dell XP and I have it lean and fast. I appreciate the help.
post #1770 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Thank you. I never thought to look at the TiVo. I was going to expand my unit with a bigger HD, but I might just let my laptop be the server. It runs WMC and doesn't do much except act as a nice Win7 backup. The box I'm using now is an old Dell XP and I have it lean and fast. I appreciate the help.
My so-called media-PC is a 9 yr old Dell XPS with an old single core Pentium and only 1GB RAM, a Gbit ethernet card and 4TB of storage. An old XP box but it has plenty of power to do the following: It runs TiVo desktop server to automatically pull over episodes of about 6 series. It runs NextPVR to record several more from a dual tuner HD Homerun. It serves HDTV and DVD video files to my media streamers and TiVo recordings back to my TiVo. It runs Mezzmo on occasion for DLNA server. Turns out you don't need a lot of CPU power for these media tasks as long as you don't use the box for playback. Rendering for playback is where the power is needed.

I'm OTA only.
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