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post #1771 of 3301
I might as well mention that I had a problem getting my TiVo wireless-N adapter to connect to my network. I have two of the old "wall-wart" type Apple Airport Express wireless routers. One is connected to the DSL modem in my bedroom/office at one end of the house and configured to "Create a wireless network;" the other is about halfway across the house and configured to "Extend a wireless network." My A/V system and TiVo are at the other end of the house, which gets a good signal from the second AE. The network is protected by both a WPA2 password and MAC address filtering.

Even after entering the MAC addresses of both the TiVo and the adapter into both AE's (and restarting them), and putting the adapter a few feet from first one AE, then the other, I could not get the adapter to connect to the network when configuring it via an Ethernet connection to my MacBook. Finally I turned off MAC address filtering and restarted the AE's. Bingo! The adapter connected!

After I was satisfied things were working OK, I unplugged the power from the adapter, re-enabled MAC address filtering on the AE's, restarted the AE's and then the adapter, which connected without a hitch. The AirPort Utility on the Mac in my bedroom shows the TiVo as connected to the second AE, as it should be.
post #1772 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Thanks. I'm deciding which way to go.
I couldn't find where the TiVo Desktop could send a title back. Getting it off the TiVo was easy and took about 15 minutes.
At the bottom of your now playing list on the TiVo itself, you will find your computer as well as any other TiVo units on your network.
You "Pull" from the Tivo rather than "Push" from the computer.
post #1773 of 3301
Thought I would stop by and say "hello". I'm another refugee from the Sony DHG world and I see some familiar names here. smile.gif Just got a Premiere XL set up today. Looks like it will be very nice once I get used to the differences of how to do various things. I intend to keep one of my DHGs going until TVGOS disappears so I've got lots of time to make friends with the TiVo.
post #1774 of 3301
Welcome to the world of Tivo smile.gif Like Apple the the only people that don't seem to like Tivo are the people that don't own a Tivo wink.gif I was in the "I'd never own a Tivo" group for many years until like you I purchased one, now it along with my HDTV is the center of my TV watching.
Not sure how your paying for your guide but I went for lifetime right of the bat and don't regret it one bit. Coming from a Sony my guess is you hold onto things for quite a while, if this is the case lifetime is probably your best bet(if you can swing the high $500 up front cost). I've never had a issue with my TIvo and even if I do I figure the parts most prone to fail are easy and relatively cheap to replace, just a thought smile.gif
Edited by jjeff - 11/20/12 at 2:34pm
post #1775 of 3301
Thanks for the welcome Jjeff. The unit already has lifetime on it (I purchased a pre-owned one on eBay). It has a brand new 2TB WD HDD in it, so I think it should be good for some time and I've already been exploring Weaknees just in case. biggrin.gif

I do have one stooopid newby question. The DHG has an on/off switch where "off" puts the unit in standby. Do most TiVo owners just leave the unit on all the time? I know there's a standby setting by going into the menus, but that isn't like a convenient button.
post #1776 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Thanks for the welcome Jjeff. The unit already has lifetime on it (I purchased a pre-owned one on eBay). It has a brand new 2TB WD HDD in it, so I think it should be good for some time and I've already been exploring Weaknees just in case. biggrin.gif
I do have one stooopid newby question. The DHG has an on/off switch where "off" puts the unit in standby. Do most TiVo owners just leave the unit on all the time? I know there's a standby setting by going into the menus, but that isn't like a convenient button.
It runs 24/7. I tried the internal Standby function to kill the red circle, but there's a bug in my unit that doesn't like me to do that. So I learned here that I can kill the front panel lights. I need more lights like more clocks. There is no standby button like the DHG and the TiVo HDD runs 24/7. But it's silent too. When not in use I just put the remote out of harm's way. I have found the "TiVo" button needs a little more help than the others and I already bought a spare remote.
post #1777 of 3301
I second what Joe said and I also have my lights turned off. Coming from DVDRs it was really against my thinking to not turn my Tivo off but mine has been running constant for years with no issues whatsoever. Mine is on a UPS, something I might suggest but not required by any means, if the Tivo loses power it just takes ~10 minutes to come back online.
Joe, I use my Tivo a ton and the remote is still working like a champ. Most all the white lettering on the buttons have worn off but it still works great smile.gif
Personally I never use the hard to push "Tivo" button, don't know why but I just use other buttons to do what that funny little Tivo button does biggrin.gif
post #1778 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I second what Joe said and I also have my lights turned off. Coming from DVDRs it was really against my thinking to not turn my Tivo off but mine has been running constant for years with no issues whatsoever. Mine is on a UPS, something I might suggest but not required by any means, if the Tivo loses power it just takes ~10 minutes to come back online.
Joe, I use my Tivo a ton and the remote is still working like a champ. Most all the white lettering on the buttons have worn off but it still works great smile.gif

The remote works, and it is the low end remote. But it does take me several tries to get in. The unit is not more than 5 degree from straight on. It's not a big deal, and I must have heavy fingers so I always buy a spare remote once I decide to keep a unit. I am pretty bad with little things. I have put my cell phone through the washing machine twice. Pouring wine into a remote can be a problem too. At least it was a dry white wine.

The TiVo and everything else is on a 1500VA APC UPS with a battery pack. I have a pure sine wave inverter in case I need it.
post #1779 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

There is no standby button like the DHG

Although my TiVo remote doesn't have a "Power" or "Standby" button so you have to go into the menus to put it into standby mode, there is a functioning PowerToggle command in the Harmony database. I set up my Harmony remote so it normally leaves the TiVo on, but I can go into Device mode and put it in standby if I want.

The Tivo Premiere runs a lot cooler than the DHGs. I can't feel any heat when I touch the case.
post #1780 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I second what Joe said and I also have my lights turned off. Coming from DVDRs it was really against my thinking to not turn my Tivo off but mine has been running constant for years with no issues whatsoever. Mine is on a UPS, something I might suggest but not required by any means, if the Tivo loses power it just takes ~10 minutes to come back online.
Joe, I use my Tivo a ton and the remote is still working like a champ. Most all the white lettering on the buttons have worn off but it still works great smile.gif
Personally I never use the hard to push "Tivo" button, don't know why but I just use other buttons to do what that funny little Tivo button does biggrin.gif

Yeah, I rarely use the TiVo button, but I may wear out the left arrow button as I use that constantly.

I do most of my housekeeping on my iPad or iPhone. It's nice to be able to do searches, scheduling and what not while still watching the TV.

To JoeK- I find the remote to be highly responsive, more so than remotes for other my other equipment.
post #1781 of 3301
Well I waited for a tivo black friday but no sale!! The only thing offered is free 3 month service. Nothing for lifetime sub. At least Tampa Fla is sending out TVGOS. Looks like a long wait.I would buy a channel master 7400 but the reviews are terrible...........SS Stingray
post #1782 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Well I waited for a tivo black friday but no sale!! The only thing offered is free 3 month service. Nothing for lifetime sub. At least Tampa Fla is sending out TVGOS. Looks like a long wait.I would buy a channel master 7400 but the reviews are terrible...........SS Stingray

I noticed (both). You can change to 00000 zipcode and practice manual recordings. A UPS would help too.
post #1783 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Well I waited for a tivo black friday but no sale!! The only thing offered is free 3 month service. Nothing for lifetime sub. At least Tampa Fla is sending out TVGOS. Looks like a long wait.I would buy a channel master 7400 but the reviews are terrible...........SS Stingray
I just got an email with Black Friday deals starting now. There are a few that combine the Tivo and Lifetime for a total of $100 off OR Save even more on our clearance DVRs.
post #1784 of 3301
I just got an email with Black Friday deals starting now. There are a few that combine the Tivo and Lifetime for a total of $100 off OR Save even more on our clearance DVRs

I would take that deal but I haven't yet found that on lifttime.

SS-Stingray
post #1785 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

I just got an email with Black Friday deals starting now. There are a few that combine the Tivo and Lifetime for a total of $100 off OR Save even more on our clearance DVRs
I would take that deal but I haven't yet found that on lifttime.
SS-Stingray

The TiVo emails always seem to be a bit misleading. They claim "Lifetime" for $399, but that's always for the second Lifetime. The first is always still $499 . . .
post #1786 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

Although my TiVo remote doesn't have a "Power" or "Standby" button so you have to go into the menus to put it into standby mode, there is a functioning PowerToggle command in the Harmony database.

How did you find a power toggle for the Premiere XL?
post #1787 of 3301
Harmony remotes are programmed using an online database that contains remote-control codes for bazillions of devices. I ran the Harmony remote software that I have on my computer and asked it to search for the TiVo Premiere. I had to go through a few more steps because there's apparently more than one TiVo remote that might be used with the Premiere. Eventually I ended up with a collection of commands that I downloaded to my Harmony remote via a USB cable. It has discrete PowerOn and PowerOff commands which don't work, so I deleted them. It also has a PowerToggle command that works; I mapped it to one of the Harmony's "soft buttons" whose configurable labels appear on the remote's LCD screen.

In my experience, it's fairly common for the Harmony database to contain commands that don't correspond to actual buttons on the original remote. Sometimes they do something useful, sometimes they don't.
post #1788 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Well I waited for a tivo black friday but no sale!! The only thing offered is free 3 month service. Nothing for lifetime sub. At least Tampa Fla is sending out TVGOS. Looks like a long wait.I would buy a channel master 7400 but the reviews are terrible...........SS Stingray

I bought the Premier today for $60 on the Black Friday deal, was looking at swapping the HD for a bigger drive but discovered it has an eSata port for HD expansion so even the XL is unnecessary - unless the tuner is better. They did charge tax on the pre-sale full retail price of $299 though. It was $101 out the door with 1 month service, free shipping. I will probably upgrade to lifetime later.

I too am a DHG conversion. I must say though, I am looking forward to the remote scheduling option from my android, I will miss my Sony DHG but all good things come to an end, but as they say, one door closes and another opens up.

Greg.
post #1789 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

Harmony remotes are programmed using an online database that contains remote-control codes for bazillions of devices. I ran the Harmony remote software that I have on my computer and asked it to search for the TiVo Premiere. I had to go through a few more steps because there's apparently more than one TiVo remote that might be used with the Premiere. Eventually I ended up with a collection of commands that I downloaded to my Harmony remote via a USB cable. It has discrete PowerOn and PowerOff commands which don't work, so I deleted them. It also has a PowerToggle command that works; I mapped it to one of the Harmony's "soft buttons" whose configurable labels appear on the remote's LCD screen.
In my experience, it's fairly common for the Harmony database to contain commands that don't correspond to actual buttons on the original remote. Sometimes they do something useful, sometimes they don't.

Would you remember the specific model TiVo you found the Power toggle on? I've tried the Premiere XL and the Series 3 models without success.
post #1790 of 3301
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Originally Posted by LimeyGreg View Post

I bought the Premier today for $60 on the Black Friday deal, was looking at swapping the HD for a bigger drive but discovered it has an eSata port for HD expansion so even the XL is unnecessary - unless the tuner is better. They did charge tax on the pre-sale full retail price of $299 though. It was $101 out the door with 1 month service, free shipping. I will probably upgrade to lifetime later.
I too am a DHG conversion. I must say though, I am looking forward to the remote scheduling option from my android, I will miss my Sony DHG but all good things come to an end, but as they say, one door closes and another opens up.
Greg.

The only thing with using the eSATA port is that creates two points of failure. And if one drive has issues you lose everything on both drives since they become married.
post #1791 of 3301
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Originally Posted by LimeyGreg View Post

I bought the Premier today for $60 on the Black Friday deal, was looking at swapping the HD for a bigger drive but discovered it has an eSata port for HD expansion so even the XL is unnecessary - unless the tuner is better. They did charge tax on the pre-sale full retail price of $299 though. It was $101 out the door with 1 month service, free shipping. I will probably upgrade to lifetime later.
I too am a DHG conversion. I must say though, I am looking forward to the remote scheduling option from my android, I will miss my Sony DHG but all good things come to an end, but as they say, one door closes and another opens up.
Greg.

I think it's possible you bought the original 320GB Premiere which sold for $99. Just speculation. The one now (75 hours) has a MSRP of $149. You'll know when it arrives.

edit:
I may be wrong. I'm new to the TiVo world too. Check post #1 for more information.
Edited by JoeKustra - 11/22/12 at 7:17am
post #1792 of 3301
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Originally Posted by dturturro View Post

Would you remember the specific model TiVo you found the Power toggle on? I've tried the Premiere XL and the Series 3 models without success.

When doing the search, I specified TiVo as the manufacturer, of course, and simply "Premiere" for the model. I then had to connect my Harmony to the computer via USB and use it as an IR detector while I pressed various buttons on my TiVo remote in response to requests from the software as it tried to identify my remote. It didn't give me a specific identification of the model that it finally settled on.
post #1793 of 3301
I just got a new TiVo, set up my sub, etc. Watched and recorded a couple of things and all was good.

Next I tried to watch a Youtube video. I found the one I wanted to see, selected it and it showed the control bar (pause, ff, rew, etc.) at the bottom of the screen, then the screen went blank. I hit one of the buttons and the control bar appeared again and I could see that the elapsed time of the video was progressing and the progress bar of both what's played and what's been downloaded were being updated, but still no picture or sound.

I tried this with several different videos but always the same thing. TiVo support hasn't been any help. Has anyone else seen something like this?

Thanks.
post #1794 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

I just got a new TiVo, set up my sub, etc. Watched and recorded a couple of things and all was good.
Next I tried to watch a Youtube video. I found the one I wanted to see, selected it and it showed the control bar (pause, ff, rew, etc.) at the bottom of the screen, then the screen went blank. I hit one of the buttons and the control bar appeared again and I could see that the elapsed time of the video was progressing and the progress bar of both what's played and what's been downloaded were being updated, but still no picture or sound.
I tried this with several different videos but always the same thing. TiVo support hasn't been any help. Has anyone else seen something like this?
Thanks.
I've been looking at getting a Tivo for several months now. I've read a lot about them here and at other forums and IMO, if you want to stream, get a Roku player or some other inexpensive box. Tivos are great dvrs, but mediocre streamers.
post #1795 of 3301
After spending about a week checking out my new Tivo Premiere 4s, I found that I love how they operate with VIDEO QUALITY being the exception. That's a big exception and possibly a show stopper for me. By degraded video quality, I mean, loss of fine detail in the picture.

I had a long discussion with Tivo Tech Support and found out that Tivo uses a 1440 x 1080i format rather than the full HD 1920 x 1080i, so, about a 25% reduction in picture quality. The picture output from the Tivo still fills a 16:9, 1920 x 1080 native display, but, at a reduced image quality. To me that's a type of lossy video compression which also answers how Tivo can store 75 hours of HD programming in 500 GB, on the average.

Has any forum members confirmed this, or, was my Tivo tech support person incorrect?

Thanks
James
post #1796 of 3301
^^^
In my experience, recording digital OTA, that is not true at all. TiVo records and plays back the transport stream exactly as received. I have my TiVo set to display in native format (HDMI connection). The TiVo playback looks no different from the playback of the display's tuner. The only time TiVo does any encoding is if you are recording an analog signal -- does anybody do that any more -- in which case you can tell it what encoding quality to use. Perhaps that is what the technician was referring to.

I transfer a lot of recordings to my network storage for collecting. I can run MediaInfo on the files and see that 720p stations like ABC and FOX have resolutions of 720x1280; 1080i stations like CBS and NBC have resolutions of 1080x1920.
post #1797 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

^^^
In my experience, recording digital OTA, that is not true at all. TiVo records and plays back the transport stream exactly as received. I have my TiVo set to display in native format (HDMI connection). The TiVo playback looks no different from the playback of the display's tuner. The only time TiVo does any encoding is if you are recording an analog signal -- does anybody do that any more -- in which case you can tell it what encoding quality to use. Perhaps that is what the technician was referring to.
I transfer a lot of recordings to my network storage for collecting. I can run MediaInfo on the files and see that 720p stations like ABC and FOX have resolutions of 720x1280; 1080i stations like CBS and NBC have resolutions of 1080x1920.

Hi Kelson, thanks for the response. So, your saying that in 1080i mode, the Tivo sends out 1920 samples rather than 1440 samples stretched out to 1920 pixels? In either case you would have 1920 x 1080 pixels.
I'm not wanting to argue, just trying to understand why I'm seeing some reduction in picture quality. My display is a 50" Sony so any image degradation would be visible. For what's is worth, I did not see this degradation when using my older Sony DVRs.
I want to keep the Tivos, so can you point me in any direction to start troubleshooting?

Thanks Again
James
post #1798 of 3301
If you are recording digital source the TiVo is capturing the transport stream exactly as it is coming over the coax. Try setting the TiVo for Native output and make sure your displays HDMI input has the same "picture processing" or calibration as is set for your tuner.
post #1799 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

If you are recording digital source the TiVo is capturing the transport stream exactly as it is coming over the coax. Try setting the TiVo for Native output and make sure your displays HDMI input has the same "picture processing" or calibration as is set for your tuner.

Thanks Nelson, I'll check to see if the setting for the HDMI on the TV have some how changed.

I don't have an option for "native" option on my Tivo. I have used the Tivo settings option to scan my TV for video modes. The Tivo find all possible modes except my Sony TV's native mode which is 1920 x 1080p. The Tivo says that 1080p is not supported, so I can't set up the Tivo for 1080p. This should not degrade picture quality. In the case of downloaded 1080p programming from Amazon or YouTube, I'm not sure what the Tivo would do.

Thanks Again
James
post #1800 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

Thanks Nelson, I'll check to see if the setting for the HDMI on the TV have some how changed.
I don't have an option for "native" option on my Tivo. I have used the Tivo settings option to scan my TV for video modes. The Tivo find all possible modes except my Sony TV's native mode which is 1920 x 1080p. The Tivo says that 1080p is not supported, so I can't set up the Tivo for 1080p. This should not degrade picture quality. In the case of downloaded 1080p programming from Amazon or YouTube, I'm not sure what the Tivo would do.
Thanks Again
James
I just checked my "Video" options and 1080p was not checked. I have a Sony EX700. The 1080p also has "(24fps, pass-through only)" next to it. I don't know if that means 1080p/60 is not supported. I then ran the video test. The result is now ALL boxes are checked. I can't speculate why it wasn't checked before, but I have changed cables. I also don't have a native mode on the TiVo that I could find. I seem to remember setting 1080i at one time to fix the output at 1080i before I got my cable card. No conclusions, but I would run the video test again.

BTW, the TiVo feeds a Yamaha AVR set to "Pass-Through".
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