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post #1861 of 3301
Still looking for a deal on a Tivo . I want a premiere XL with lifetime. It is hard to buy when Tampa is still sending out TVGOS. Tivo black friday sale was lame.All I want for Christmas is Sony to announce a fix.

SS-Stingray
post #1862 of 3301
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Originally Posted by englechgc View Post

I have a tivo HD and a tivo premiere. I would like to pause live tv on one tivo and resume playing on the second? The cable company has been advertising this feature with their new dvr's.

I doubt the cable company's DVRs can do this between their 2006 model and their current one.
post #1863 of 3301
Good morning all,
I'm thinking of switching to TiVo from a Moxi.
I'm curious about the ability of the remote. I currently have to keep my cabinet door open to use the remote (either Moxi or Harmony).
My guess is that it would be the same with TiVo since it's IR.

Can anyone share their relevant remote control issues/successes?

Thanks,
Skid
post #1864 of 3301
^^

I find the Ir of the remote to work very well. My cabinet with glass doors has no problem at all. Closed wooden doors would be another story . . .
post #1865 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Still looking for a deal on a Tivo . I want a premiere XL with lifetime. It is hard to buy when Tampa is still sending out TVGOS. Tivo black friday sale was lame.All I want for Christmas is Sony to announce a fix.
SS-Stingray

Don't know how you feel about eBay, but it's worth keeping an eye open for what turns up there, IMO. Everyone's definition of "a deal" is different, but I'm quite pleased with the Premiere XL I picked up.
post #1866 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Don't know how you feel about eBay, but it's worth keeping an eye open for what turns up there, IMO. Everyone's definition of "a deal" is different, but I'm quite pleased with the Premiere XL I picked up.


Thats where I have been looking. I have bid on some but not won yet. My DHG'S are still running fine because Tampa is still sending out guide. Sooner or later I will win on E-Bay.

SS-Stingray
post #1867 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

One more (easy to overlook) thing to check: Make sure you have the equivalent of "1 to 1" mapping enabled on your display's HDMI input. An "overscan" mode would would certainly produce what you appear to be seeing.

Hi HDTVChallenged

To be honest, I don't know what a "1 to 1" mapping is. Can you give me a little more info on this mapping?
My TV, Sony KDS-50A2020, does not provide any direct control over the 2 HDMI inputs. What it does allow for is changing the "standard" picture settings for each of the video inputs....2 of which are the HDMI inputs. I currently have a Blu-Ray on HDMI 1 and the Tivo on HDMI 2.
This weekend I will be pulling the entertainment center out so as to check the component inputs, switching HDMI inputs and changing HDMI cables.

Thanks
James
post #1868 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

Hi HDTVChallenged
To be honest, I don't know what a "1 to 1" mapping is. Can you give me a little more info on this mapping?
My TV, Sony KDS-50A2020, does not provide any direct control over the 2 HDMI inputs. What it does allow for is changing the "standard" picture settings for each of the video inputs....2 of which are the HDMI inputs. I currently have a Blu-Ray on HDMI 1 and the Tivo on HDMI 2.
This weekend I will be pulling the entertainment center out so as to check the component inputs, switching HDMI inputs and changing HDMI cables.
Thanks
James

I think your projection TV may not have a "full pixel" mode. Just speculation. If you set the TV display to "normal", 4x3 content should display with barn doors. It would be under Picture & Display, Screen. Your manual doesn't mention full pixel, which disables any overscan.
post #1869 of 3301
I have been using an IR repeater on my closed cabinet for several years. It "peaks" through the crack at the top of the door and there also is a blue LED that shows you are connecting.
post #1870 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Skid71 View Post

Good morning all,
I'm thinking of switching to TiVo from a Moxi.
I'm curious about the ability of the remote. I currently have to keep my cabinet door open to use the remote (either Moxi or Harmony).
My guess is that it would be the same with TiVo since it's IR.
Can anyone share their relevant remote control issues/successes?
Thanks,
Skid

You can convert the tivo remote to RF if you want ... Along with any remote that uses either AA or AAA batteries. Just do a quick search on amazon for IR To RF remote

Still use the existing tivo remote and have your tivo encased in lead if you want. Well maybe not lead but you get the idea ...
post #1871 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I think your projection TV may not have a "full pixel" mode. Just speculation. If you set the TV display to "normal", 4x3 content should display with barn doors. It would be under Picture & Display, Screen. Your manual doesn't mention full pixel, which disables any overscan.

Hi Joe

Well, I have under screen settings, the WIDE MODE set to FULL and the AUTO WIDE set to OFF. (4:3 DEFAULT is not selectable with these settings) That gives me a 4:3 picture when viewing 4:3 TV and 4:3 format DVDs. The settings give me a 16:9 picture when viewing 16:9 TV and 16:9 format DVD/Blu-Rays. When I set the WIDE MODE to NORMAL I get a narrow picture (tall and skinny) when viewing 16:9 TV programming. I arrived at these setting 6 years ago when I first purchased the TV and have not had a need to change them. They have worked for VHS players, DVD players, Blu-Ray player and now the Tivo. But, by using different combinations of the WIDE MODE, AUTO WIDE and 4:3 DEFAULT many possibilities do exist.

I do not see a full pixel setting also.

Question: Can a faulty M-Card cause PQ issues??? I can see where a bad M-Card would give me no picture, but, no sure if it's possible to only slightly degrage the picture with the M-Card.

Thanks
James
post #1872 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

Hi Joe
Well, I have under screen settings, the WIDE MODE set to FULL and the AUTO WIDE set to OFF. (4:3 DEFAULT is not selectable with these settings) That gives me a 4:3 picture when viewing 4:3 TV and 4:3 format DVDs. The settings give me a 16:9 picture when viewing 16:9 TV and 16:9 format DVD/Blu-Rays. When I set the WIDE MODE to NORMAL I get a narrow picture (tall and skinny) when viewing 16:9 TV programming. I arrived at these setting 6 years ago when I first purchased the TV and have not had a need to change them. They have worked for VHS players, DVD players, Blu-Ray player and now the Tivo. But, by using different combinations of the WIDE MODE, AUTO WIDE and 4:3 DEFAULT many possibilities do exist.
I do not see a full pixel setting also.
Question: Can a faulty M-Card cause PQ issues??? I can see where a bad M-Card would give me no picture, but, no sure if it's possible to only slightly degrage the picture with the M-Card.
Thanks
James

Well it's digital so a really bad picture is hard to achieve. I know little about your TV. Have you tried:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/812631/the-official-sony-2007-kds-xx-a2020-no-price-talk-sxrd-owners-thread#post_9900295
post #1873 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

Hi HDTVChallenged
To be honest, I don't know what a "1 to 1" mapping is. Can you give me a little more info on this mapping?

Others have pointed you in the right direction. Unfortunately, I'm not that familiar with your set ....
post #1874 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Well it's digital so a really bad picture is hard to achieve. I know little about your TV. Have you tried:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/812631/the-official-sony-2007-kds-xx-a2020-no-price-talk-sxrd-owners-thread#post_9900295

Yes,a quick scan. Those folks are more concerned about the class action case against Sony. Do the really think that they will get something for nothing?

Thanks
James
post #1875 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Others have pointed you in the right direction. Unfortunately, I'm not that familiar with your set ....

Thanks HDTVChallenged
James
post #1876 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

Yes,a quick scan. Those folks are more concerned about the class action case against Sony. Do the really think that they will get something for nothing?
Thanks
James
Yes, many people feel they can get a free lunch.

Let's assume your issue is poor PQ. This is hard to pinpoint, especially on a cable feed. I have HD service and a Motorola M-Card. No difference between PQ when switching from a a DHG (fixed at 1080i) and the Tivo (at 1080i). Both feed an AVR that shows input audio and video information. It's not supposed to screw with the signal, so my TV says 1080i/DD5.1 when that is the content. On an ED channel, my AVR says 480p as it should. This gives me a high degree of trust in the equipment. The cables, all with one ferrite core, come from Monoprice.com and cost less than $3 each. I have used component but could see no change in PQ, but I'm am more audio than video, so I use HDMI on everything except my HD radio.

I don't know what to say. The TiVo is just as good as the DHG and better in some ways. If you have a PQ issue, where are you going? At this time, nothing on the market comes close, but some come cheaper.
Joe
post #1877 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Yes, many people feel they can get a free lunch.
Let's assume your issue is poor PQ. This is hard to pinpoint, especially on a cable feed. I have HD service and a Motorola M-Card. No difference between PQ when switching from a a DHG (fixed at 1080i) and the Tivo (at 1080i). Both feed an AVR that shows input audio and video information. It's not supposed to screw with the signal, so my TV says 1080i/DD5.1 when that is the content. On an ED channel, my AVR says 480p as it should. This gives me a high degree of trust in the equipment. The cables, all with one ferrite core, come from Monoprice.com and cost less than $3 each. I have used component but could see no change in PQ, but I'm am more audio than video, so I use HDMI on everything except my HD radio.
I don't know what to say. The TiVo is just as good as the DHG and better in some ways. If you have a PQ issue, where are you going? At this time, nothing on the market comes close, but some come cheaper.
Joe


Joe, to be honest, now that I've tried a Tivo, I could not go back to the single receiver Sony with TVGOS. The Tivo's guide seems to work very well and there are tons of well thought out features. My PQ is not bad, just some what degraded. My wife thinks I'm crazy and says the PQ is fine, but, she doesn't care if she viewing a DVD quality or a Blu-Ray quality picture. Maybe striving for outstanding PQ is a guy thing. :-)
For me, I want simple.......buy the DVR.....install it.....and enjoy it for years. That seems to spell Tivo, but, I'm sure others will disagree.

Thanks
James
Edited by jebiggers - 11/28/12 at 8:09pm
post #1878 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jebiggers View Post

Maybe striving for outstanding PQ is a guy thing. :-)

James

Maybe. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
FWIW, I still have one of my DHGs connected, alongside my new Premiere XL. I'm OTA only. If I tune the TV (Panny plasma), the Tivo, and the DHG to the same HD channel and switch between them, I cannot discern any difference in PQ. I've done this repeatedly with different broadcasts. Definitely not a controlled test, but enough to convince me that they are all "picture perfect". smile.gif
post #1879 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Maybe. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
FWIW, I still have one of my DHGs connected, alongside my new Premiere XL. I'm OTA only. If I tune the TV (Panny plasma), the Tivo, and the DHG to the same HD channel and switch between them, I cannot discern any difference in PQ. I've done this repeatedly with different broadcasts. Definitely not a controlled test, but enough to convince me that they are all "picture perfect". smile.gif

Great report!

Thanks
James
post #1880 of 3301
Hello All,

Just a note about picture quality. For many (all?) HD TVs the various picture settings (which ultimately determine how good the picture looks) are set independently for each input source (IE: OTA tuner, HDMI 1, HDMI 2, etc). So if you are seeing noticeable differences check your settings for the input source and adjust as needed.

Good Luck,
post #1881 of 3301
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Originally Posted by atmusky View Post

Hello All,
Just a note about picture quality. For many (all?) HD TVs the various picture settings (which ultimately determine how good the picture looks) are set independently for each input source (IE: OTA tuner, HDMI 1, HDMI 2, etc). So if you are seeing noticeable differences check your settings for the input source and adjust as needed.
Good Luck,

"Many". There is a setting for "common" or "per input" on mine. I find common is ok since it seems to work, and it's a small TV. A cheap BD calibration disk from MS has been helpful.
post #1882 of 3301
From FierceCable:
"TiVo generated $61 million in service and technology revenue during the third quarter, up 18 percent compared to the same period in 2011. It posted $59 million in net income, compared to a net loss of $24.5 million this time last year."

I wonder how much they should kick back to RoviCorp for killing TVGOS for this.
post #1883 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I wonder how much they should kick back to RoviCorp for killing TVGOS for this.
Those proceeds won't be realized until next quarter. smile.gif
When Moxi finally stops their guide service, we'll have another influx of PO'd refugees.
post #1884 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Hi, I thought I had made it clear above. When recording digital source, the TiVo is capturing the transport stream exactly as it is being broadcast and simply spooling it to the HDD. It is not doing any extra compression or re-scaling or processing of the original transport stream. The information that the TiVo is rescaling 1920 to 1440 is wrong.
The size of an HDTV file is not dependent on the resolution but rather the bitrate of the broadcast. Fox broadcasts at 720p and NBC at 1080i; both encode at ~15Mbps and have 1 hr file sizes of ~5.8GB for the transport stream. Besides a TiVo I have a media-PC with digital tuners that also records the transport stream -- the file sizes for a program recorded on both is approx. equal.

You are right that TiVo records the broadcast Transport Stream. However it must re-code the output IF IT HAS TO CHANGE THE Video OUTPUT FORMAT. For example, if the program is broadcast as 720p, but the TiVo is configured to send only 1080i, then the TiVo has to re-code the output from 720p to 1080i. I am not sure how good the re-coder in the TiVo is, but the one in the TV is usually better. So to ensure you use the best decoder, configure the TiVo to send each of the video outputs that your TV supports.

To manually set the video formats, From the TiiVo Central (My TiVo) screen, select Settings& Messages-> Settings -> Video -> Video Output Formats.
Don't use the Auto Detect feature. At least on my TV (Sony EX720 thru Denon 3806) it only selects 1080i, even though the TV supports all formats. Rather, manually check the TiVo Video Output Formats for 720p, 1080i and 1080p (24fps). You can run the Test Formats command. It will check each format you tell it your TV supports.
I don't select the 480i or 480p because that seems to cause the TiVo and TV to fight over zooming letter boxed 4x3 content. I prefer to have the TV do the zoom.

Greg
post #1885 of 3301
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Originally Posted by gfbuchanan View Post

To manually set the video formats, From the TiiVo Central (My TiVo) screen, select Settings& Messages-> Settings -> Video -> Video Output Formats.
Don't use the Auto Detect feature. At least on my TV (Sony EX720 thru Denon 3806) it only selects 1080i, even though the TV supports all formats. Rather, manually check the TiVo Video Output Formats for 720p, 1080i and 1080p (24fps). You can run the Test Formats command. It will check each format you tell it your TV supports.
I don't select the 480i or 480p because that seems to cause the TiVo and TV to fight over zooming letter boxed 4x3 content. I prefer to have the TV do the zoom.
Greg
Thank you for that clear instruction. I could not figure out why it insisted on using 1080i for everything. Seems Auto Detect was the error in my ways.frown.gif
post #1886 of 3301
TiVo HD was much easier. I have a button on the front panel to select native transport. Its all I ever use.
post #1887 of 3301
Okay, someone indulge me here:

I'm looking into getting a new DVR for my OTA setup and have been scouring the internet for some good options, of which I'm learning there aren't many. I currently have a Hauppauge 950Q tuner which I connect with my laptop via WinTV 7 or Windows Media Center. For my setup, it does okay, but it has significant drawbacks. The first being is that it has to connect to my laptop, which is the only PC I have. The second is the thing only has one tuner so I can't watch something else when I record. I guess I could always get a second USB tuner, but that seems like overkill, and if I can get a decent DVR box with a dual tuner for the same price or not much more if I look hard enough. The third is that it's not reliable. My Windows Media Center hiccups occasionally and doesn't record (not due to space, I have a 500GB hard drive, and delete shows when I'm done with them). In short, I'm looking to upgrade.

The TiVo Premiere sounds promising to me. The boxes aren't ridiculously expensive, and they have a few bells and whistles that I am not looking for, but could still use. Let me understand something: in addition to the box, I have to pay a subscription of about $15 a month (give or take), or a "Lifetime" subscription for about $400-$500 bucks (up front cash I don't have), perhaps a little cheaper if I buy a set off of someplace like Ebay. This includes, among other things, guide data, which is powered by Zap2it or Tribune Media. How accurate is the guide data? Guide data isn't a complete make or break for me, but if I'm going to pay for it, it better be good and have full functionality. Does anyone on a border city (Buffalo, Detroit, Seattle, etc.) use it? Does the guide data work for OTA channels out of Canada (including program based recording and "Season Pass")? If I enter a zip code into TiVo, will it give me all the channels that I would find on Zap2it's site (assuming I pick up the signal), including the Canadian channels? This was the drawback for DirecTV's setup. I have the DVR (the HR 24), and was thinking about the AM21, but I understand I have to do some serious messing around to get all my channels with it, especially the Canadian ones, more than it's worth (to me anyway) because DirecTV doesn't update its database for the Canadian ones, even though Tribune Media lists them through Zap2it. Does TiVo solve this problem (obviously as a separate setup than DirecTV)?.
post #1888 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

TiVo HD was much easier. I have a button on the front panel to select native transport. Its all I ever use.

The premier still has that button but it will only toggle through if those checks are made for the different output resolutions in settings.

I would concede that tivo's output up scaling from 480i/p to 1080i is terrible. Some of the worst I've seen. Although directv isn't much different.

720p to 1080i is fine though.

I've stopped watching all SD material though.
post #1889 of 3301
Netflix is killing my TiVo. I reproduced this three times tonight: go to my shows, scroll down to Netflix, wait awhile, Netflix throws up a gray dialog box saying it's not available (with only an "ok" button), then after you dismiss it, the entire screen turns gray for a few seconds before the entire TiVo does a hard reboot.

Probably a Netflix issue, but it goes to show how TiVo's partnerships make the whole OS subject to unintended consequences..
post #1890 of 3301
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

I reproduced this three times tonight: go to my shows, scroll down to Netflix, wait awhile, Netflix throws up a gray dialog box saying it's not available (with only an "ok" button), then after you dismiss it, the entire screen turns gray for a few seconds before the entire TiVo does a hard reboot.

A while back it was broken (before the recent Netflix upgrade and not as badly) for several weeks up to a month or more. It would work most of the time then simply freeze, reboot or whatnot. I was surprised they let it go on so long.
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