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post #1921 of 3301
Thanks Greg,
Pulling my two DHG'S out of service was like saying goodbuy to an old friend .So far the Tivo has done what expected. I wish it had a power off button to put it into standby.
I keep the dhg's on standby except to program and watch recordings.The tivo season pass is nice so far.I find the tuner is better than my channel master 7000 .I can't use the internet
features of tivo since my dsl is just too slow.I 'm considering replacing the Channel master with a Tivo but was thinking that a series 5 tivo may soon come out.Does anybody know when
a series 5 maybe out? Merry Christmas everybody !!

SS-Stingray
post #1922 of 3301
If they release one it might be out next year. If not 2013 then 2014. Hopefully they will show something new next year. I would really like to see a six tuner retail unit with more processing power and stream capabilitites built in.
post #1923 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Fox consistently runs 30 secs or more over ... especially on the 30min Sitcoms. The last "joke" often gets cut along with the previews.
To be fair, it occasionally happens on NBC too ...

I'm still not seeing this. I record several shows on each major network. Fox, NBC, ABC, and CBS. I'm not padding any of them but I get the beginning of the shows and the previews at the end. But these are all hour long shows and you mention the 30 min sitcoms but imply it's on the hour long shows as well.
post #1924 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I'm still not seeing this. I record several shows on each major network. Fox, NBC, ABC, and CBS. I'm not padding any of them but I get the beginning of the shows and the previews at the end. But these are all hour long shows and you mention the 30 min sitcoms but imply it's on the hour long shows as well.

I don't see a pattern either. However stations can get a little "loose" when it comes to start/stop times. Except for a few specials, SNL was never live in California. Sporting events, school closings, and weather events can also skew times. The TiVo has my most accurate clock. My Sony TVGOS box is six seconds slow since the summer. I don't have a PSIP source, so that's not a factor.

A lot depends on the show too. Some start with an episode event, some with a stock story to explain the show and most end in a myriad of ways. There was a time when you could set your clock by the start of a show. But that was back when all shows had a theme song and ended by rolling credits.
post #1925 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

I wish it had a power off button to put it into standby.
I keep the dhg's on standby except to program and watch recordings.

Standby doesn't do anything on the Tivo other than turning off the video output and the power savings are minimal. Tivos are meant to always be on (the drive is never powered down) and since they draw less than 30 watts are not a big consumer.
post #1926 of 3301
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Standby doesn't do anything on the Tivo other than turning off the video output and the power savings are minimal. Tivos are meant to always be on (the drive is never powered down) and since they draw less than 30 watts are not a big consumer.

The DHG never turns off either. Standby stops the output and blanks the front panel display. It defaults to an internal power off at 1am but there is little power savings. On the top of the DHG there is a sticker warning to wait 30 seconds before moving after pulling the plug. The clock does not have a battery backup.

Nice feature of the TiVo is the option to have a blank front panel at all times. I love that.
post #1927 of 3301
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Originally Posted by LimeyGreg View Post

Welcome to the new abode. While it's sad that the sun will soon set on the era of the DHG at least you will have company over here on the Tivo board. I am sure all the Tivo aficionados will be more than happy to support us in our hour of need, but I have a feeling that the Tivo's we have purchased will not be plagued by loss of grid as did the DGH on several occasions in multiple markets.
If your experiences parallel that of most others, you won't be posting much. After you get it set up and get used to the differences from your previous DVR you will simply use it without much fuss because "it just works". You guys coming over from the DHG thread is the most action this thread has seen in a year -- it's usually a quiet neighborhood. smile.gif

Keep in mind the money you pay for the "subscription" covers not just the guide but the continual R&D support efforts that keep firmware updates rolling out and installing automatically.
post #1928 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

If your experiences parallel that of most others, you won't be posting much. After you get it set up and get used to the differences from your previous DVR you will simply use it without much fuss because "it just works". You guys coming over from the DHG thread is the most action this thread has seen in a year -- it's usually a quiet neighborhood. smile.gif
Keep in mind the money you pay for the "subscription" covers not just the guide but the continual R&D support efforts that keep firmware updates rolling out and installing automatically.

We tend to be a noisy bunch but we'll try to keep the neighborhood tidy. biggrin.gif

While I'm here I have a question. With the recent update, a new internet app showed up (AOL*on) or at least I never saw it before. I was wondering if anyone has played with it and had your TiVo completely lock up while in that app. I was looking at some movie trailers. The first one worked okay. The next one got "stuck" on the loading screen. After a few minues audio from the TV station the tuner was on started, but the box would not respond to ANY command from the remote. I finally gave up and unplugged. Don't think I'll be trying that app again.
post #1929 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

We tend to be a noisy bunch but we'll try to keep the neighborhood tidy. biggrin.gif
While I'm here I have a question. With the recent update, a new internet app showed up (AOL*on) or at least I never saw it before. I was wondering if anyone has played with it and had your TiVo completely lock up while in that app. I was looking at some movie trailers. The first one worked okay. The next one got "stuck" on the loading screen. After a few minues audio from the TV station the tuner was on started, but the box would not respond to ANY command from the remote. I finally gave up and unplugged. Don't think I'll be trying that app again.

I tried one and it worked. I tried another and nothing happened. I finally removed it from the list along with the Hulu+ selection. That's under Settings/Channels/Video providers.
post #1930 of 3301
Standby doesn't do anything on the Tivo other than turning off the video output and the power savings are minimal. Tivos are meant to always be on (the drive is never powered down) and since they draw less than 30 watts are not a big consumer.





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So I was powering down to stop the hard drive since I don't need it all the time.I watch tv through the cm 7000 . If the drives run all the time why have the off function anyway? Since having services like netflix available,can you record those? My DSL service is really slow and it's to slow to watch tv. I think the last speed test was .69

SS-Stingray
post #1931 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

So I was powering down to stop the hard drive since I don't need it all the time.
SS-Stingray
TiVo made the design decision to continually buffer the two (or 4) tuners, so it is always recording hence the drive(s) are always spinning. This has come in quite handy on many occasions, especially since the 30 min buffers are independent. Given that current TiVo's have much larger HDD's it would be nice to have the option of enlarging the buffers to >30 min.

The standby feature is primarily useful for parental control of the TiVo. If you have the TiVo set up to block the adult channels from the kids, putting the unit in standby after the adults are done viewing, resets the parental locks.
post #1932 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

SS-Stingray

Clock is ticking. You might get the $100.
post #1933 of 3301
Better than throwing it in the trash !!! Waiting for your bid Joe ??? If you forget there is the other one listed.

SS-Stingray
post #1934 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Better than throwing it in the trash !!! Waiting for your bid Joe ??? If you forget there is the other one listed.
SS-Stingray
I might be old but I'm not that old. Ever since I dicovered the offload ability I am saving a lot of movies I never watched. My HD package gives me HDNET - no commercials. I hooked up a WD FreeAgent with 1TB to my Win7 laptop. I already have two DHG units unplugged, but I still use one just to stay in the game. The HDD has over 36k hours on it.

But on the Premiere, has there always been two or three days at the end with no listings? Or is it just me?
post #1935 of 3301
Clock is ticking. You might get the $100.



Well auction is over and the buyer already refuses to pay. Just as i thought. The DHG have hit the trash after all !!!


SS-Stingray
post #1936 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Clock is ticking. You might get the $100.
Well auction is over and the buyer already refuses to pay. Just as i thought. The DHG have hit the trash after all !!!
SS-Stingray
That sucks. Better luck with the second.
post #1937 of 3301
A premium Spotify (paid sub only) app was just announced that should be rolling out now.
post #1938 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Clock is ticking. You might get the $100.
Well auction is over and the buyer already refuses to pay. Just as i thought. The DHG have hit the trash after all !!!
SS-Stingray

Why do you say the DHG is dead?

I have three of them working and recording daily.
post #1939 of 3301
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Why do you say the DHG is dead?
I have three of them working and recording daily.

Have you read the big black & white ad from Rovi on your guide? Go to the DHG thread and make the same post.
Edited by JoeKustra - 12/18/12 at 5:19pm
post #1940 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jano18 View Post

A premium Spotify (paid sub only) app was just announced that should be rolling out now.
This is currently now available on my XL4 & 320GB Premiere.
post #1941 of 3301
Hello Tivoans, another lost Sony DHGer here. I see a lot of familiar faces. Just lurking and learning all things Tivo. My 3 DHGs are all humming fine, like the workhorses they are. They are/were the perfect DVRs for my uses. Sony spoiled me for 6-7 years. Unbelievable how these bricks-to-be just chugged along for years.

My questions on Tivo is how/what they tune that my local TWarner spews out, and OTA. TW uses a lost of switched content if that is the term. they were no longer friendly to my DHGs but I easily got along fine on my own. I just use 75ch cable out the wall and OTA but am not against adding some digital content from TW if easy and affordable. Will keep reading.

Well, eager to get Tivoed up so I can have a plan when I get de-TVGOSed. frown.gif
Edited by gigaguy - 12/18/12 at 8:08pm
post #1942 of 3301
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Originally Posted by gigaguy View Post

My questions on Tivo is how/what they tune that my local TWarner spews out, and OTA. TW uses a lost of switched content if that is the term. they were no longer friendly to my DHGs but I easily got along fine on my own. I just use 75ch cable out the wall and OTA but am not against adding some digital content from TW if easy and affordable. Will keep reading.
Well, eager to get Tivoed up so I can have a plan when I get de-TVGOSed. frown.gif
As Long as you are paying for TW Cable you should take advantage of the CableCARD and SDV Tuning Adapter, It will get you all the HD channels you subscribe to, which depending on your TV package could be 50 to over 100 channels, you will not get any TWC Digital or HD channels with Guide Data without a CableCARD and Tuning Adapter. Self-Install is free and they should be available at your local TWC store.

The CableCARD is only $2/mo and the SDV Tuning Adapter is Free.
post #1943 of 3301
Actually, there is a really good reason NOT to add the CableCard and Tuning Adapter to get switched digital channels if you are not already set up that way - relative loss of stability and the loss of recordings.

I made that same jump a few years ago when some of the channels I used to watch jumped into the switched digital tier (I think it was Comedy Central HD or SciFi HD, not sure though)

It works fine 99%+ of the time - but it does have problems. And when it has problems those problems manifest on *ALL* the channels I get via the CC/TA combo, not just the ones only available via the CC/TA combo.

Two Scenarios:

(1) Today you get Channel A without the CC/TA via the basic analog package, but you do not get Channel B at all (it is only available via Switched Digital Tiers). You have zero technical issues related the CC/TA setup, so you never miss a recording on Channel A.
(2) You add the CC/TA equipment to your setup. Now you get Channel A as well as Channel B via the CC/TA equipment. If you have any technical issues related the CC/TA setup, you miss recordings on both Channel A and Channel B.

You have to ask yourself if the recordings you are happy getting without problem today are worth losing, even rarely, in order to be able to get channels that are so unimportant to you that you don't even miss them today. The answer, obviously, depends on how often you have technical issues. In my case - it is every month, and often more frequently than that, that I must reboot the TA unit to get my channels to come in correctly. And if I am not around the house when the need arises then all the scheduled recordings from that period in time do not happen - either a blank recording or a note in the recording history stating "channel not available" at the time the recording was being made.

I come home once a month to a mad wife asking why Survivor did not record. When I balance my check book there are $3.24 and $2.15 iTunes charges for downloading shows (Survivor!) that were missed and needed to be found elsewhere. There are kids who want their shows and are too young to hear "the Tuning Adapter" lost sync. And there are numerous people who ask "I thought you said Tivo was the better DVR? Why are you always asking me if I have a copy of shows you might borrow?"

For our Colorado cabin the Series 3 box with OTA antenna is the best, I would not trade it for anything. But here in Austin the addition of CableCards and Tuning Adapters to a good setup has resulted in years of intermittent issues, just enough of them to make you wonder why you got that stuff to start with.
post #1944 of 3301
I posted this in the Minneapolis-Comcast thread and didnt hear anything so I guess I'll ask here since I am looking at possibly getting a Tivo

The apartment complex I live in has free lifeline cable (Comcast). Everything above lifeline requires a box. When I hook up my HDTV and do a scan it works fine. Get 2-23 in analog and then the digital channels in QAM. The networks remap to what they are if I had an antenna (2-1,2-2,2-3,4-1,5-1 etc)...Here is my question

If I get a Tivo to record stuff will I have guide info on those channels without a cable card (since the lifeline is bulk rate they wont give me a cable card unless I subbed to an actual higher up package)? On both my HDTV's anything that I would call a "network channel" does have guide info. I'm talking 2,4,5,9,11,23,29,41 and any subchannel. The other channels in QAM like TBS, CNN, public access there is no guide info because it doesnt know that 115-50 is CNN or 93-15 is Public Access

But would the Tivo get guide info for the networks that map to what they are OTA? Like 2-1, 5-2, 11-1, 23-1 etc? Or will it show no guide info and I'd almost be better off trying to use an antenna since that would have guide info?
post #1945 of 3301
So for that <1% of the time, chance of a malfunction, you would prefer to have only standard definition analog recordings (analog, 4:3, SD, 480i) limited to just the basic tier, over the Full HD recordings (digital, 16:9, HD, 720p/1080i) on multiple tiers and premium channels?

I find that if I just reboot the Tuning Adapter and the TiVo every 3 weeks I do not have any malfunctions, The Tuning Adapter gets a subscription lease that has an expiration date/time, and should renew automatically like a DHCP IP Address, sometime this does not happen. But if you reboot the Tuning Adapter every three weeks that lease gets manually renewed.
post #1946 of 3301
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Originally Posted by scopeman View Post

For our Colorado cabin the Series 3 box with OTA antenna is the best, I would not trade it for anything. But here in Austin the addition of CableCards and Tuning Adapters to a good setup has resulted in years of intermittent issues, just enough of them to make you wonder why you got that stuff to start with.
May I ask which model Premiere you are using?
post #1947 of 3301
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I posted this in the Minneapolis-Comcast thread and didnt hear anything so I guess I'll ask here since I am looking at possibly getting a Tivo
The apartment complex I live in has free lifeline cable (Comcast). Everything above lifeline requires a box. When I hook up my HDTV and do a scan it works fine. Get 2-23 in analog and then the digital channels in QAM. The networks remap to what they are if I had an antenna (2-1,2-2,2-3,4-1,5-1 etc)...Here is my question
If I get a Tivo to record stuff will I have guide info on those channels without a cable card (since the lifeline is bulk rate they wont give me a cable card unless I subbed to an actual higher up package)? On both my HDTV's anything that I would call a "network channel" does have guide info. I'm talking 2,4,5,9,11,23,29,41 and any subchannel. The other channels in QAM like TBS, CNN, public access there is no guide info because it doesnt know that 115-50 is CNN or 93-15 is Public Access
But would the Tivo get guide info for the networks that map to what they are OTA? Like 2-1, 5-2, 11-1, 23-1 etc? Or will it show no guide info and I'd almost be better off trying to use an antenna since that would have guide info?

You would be better off using an antenna. Without a cable card the QAM channels won't be mapped properly. And if they aren't mapped properly you won't get the guide info.

Maybe it will work, I've heard that it doesn't plus some cable companies tend to move the frequencies around for the local channels. So without the cable card the TiVo has no way to know where they are.
post #1948 of 3301
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I posted this in the Minneapolis-Comcast thread and didnt hear anything so I guess I'll ask here since I am looking at possibly getting a Tivo
The apartment complex I live in has free lifeline cable (Comcast). Everything above lifeline requires a box. When I hook up my HDTV and do a scan it works fine. Get 2-23 in analog and then the digital channels in QAM. The networks remap to what they are if I had an antenna (2-1,2-2,2-3,4-1,5-1 etc)...Here is my question

Using a TiVo on a cable system without a cable card is not pretty. It will display an error message frequently about missing information. Also, does your HDTV have information on those basic cable channels like TNT & CNN? Likely not, since cable only networks don't usually have PSIP data. And an antenna will not even give you CNN, TBS and those other channels. Your broadcast channels probably have the PSIP data intact which is why your TV shows them on the same channel as an antenna. Like aaronwt said, cable companies can put channels anywhere.
post #1949 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Also, does your HDTV have information on those basic cable channels like TNT & CNN?
As I noted in my post they don't
The other channels in QAM like TBS, CNN, public access there is no guide info because it doesnt know that 115-50 is CNN or 93-15 is Public Access
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. And an antenna will not even give you CNN, TBS and those other channels.
I wasnt worried about getting CNN, TBS or WGN. Those are really the only "extra" channels with lifeline here. The rest are church, shopping and Public Access ones
I basically wanted to record the networks and mainly MeTV and AntennaTV

Might have to try the antenna route
post #1950 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

You would be better off using an antenna. Without a cable card the QAM channels won't be mapped properly. And if they aren't mapped properly you won't get the guide info.
Maybe it will work, I've heard that it doesn't plus some cable companies tend to move the frequencies around for the local channels. So without the cable card the TiVo has no way to know where they are.

Thanks for the info. I know Comcast hasnt moved the networks around in a while (at least here in the SW Suburbs)...the "extra" channels like public access and shopping channels they have moved around. But I havent seen any posts in the Mpls-Comcast thread that says they moved channels around
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