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post #1951 of 3301
New Tivo owner here. I have a question. I'm thinking of getting a second tivo on main tv. How hard is it to reprogram the remote ? Also if I have season pass and three shows are at the same time will the season pass move to the second dvr? Season pass is neat but it has already recorded same episodes even it is clearly setup for new episodes only in the manager.

Thanks
SS-Stingray
post #1952 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

New Tivo owner here. I have a question. I'm thinking of getting a second tivo on main tv. How hard is it to reprogram the remote ? Also if I have season pass and three shows are at the same time will the season pass move to the second dvr? Season pass is neat but it has already recorded same episodes even it is clearly setup for new episodes only in the manager.
Thanks
SS-Stingray
If you have 2 Premiere's then you have to get one of the older remotes (from a Tivo HD) which has the "1-2" switch on it to be able to use it for 2 tivos. The Premiere remote can only control one tivo, so you would have to use a seprrate remote for each tivo. The Tivo HD remote doesn't have the A-B-C-D buttons but I never use them.

The 2 tivos don't know anything about each others programming, so you need tto put 2 shows on one tivo and the 3rd on the other.
post #1953 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

Season pass is neat but it has already recorded same episodes even it is clearly setup for new episodes only in the manager.
Thanks
SS-Stingray

I can live with 99% accurate. I record The Daily Show which isn't daily and Jimmy Fallon and it handles those OK. Sometimes get a repeat. Often the guide displays "NEW" when that is not true. But is it the fault of the TiVo or that of Tribune that feeds the guide? Who knows. I have never missed a season pass episode. I don't know if the guide "NEW" is significant either. But the holidays are a chaos for schedules. Next week isn't any better.

The HD season pass manager is a good improvement also.
post #1954 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I can live with 99% accurate. I record The Daily Show which isn't daily and Jimmy Fallon and it handles those OK. Sometimes get a repeat. Often the guide displays "NEW" when that is not true. But is it the fault of the TiVo or that of Tribune that feeds the guide? Who knows. I have never missed a season pass episode. I don't know if the guide "NEW" is significant either. But the holidays are a chaos for schedules. Next week isn't any better.
The HD season pass manager is a good improvement also.

For recording the Daily Show and others that repeat often, this is recommended (copy/paste from the TiVo owners FAQ, item 25):


Use the "Tupper Method" to eliminate repeats of certain programs with bad guide data.

A few shows like The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Big Brother, and The Tonight Show don't always provide good guide data for their re-runs. These re-runs lack episode titles and they use generic descriptions. Without good guide data, a TiVo series recording can't determine whether these are new or repeats, so it "plays it safe" and records them all.

To get around this, one used to create a repeating manual recording for a specific timeslot (ex: M-F @ 11:00pm). Manual recordings show up with program information, and they are folderized and prioritized just like any season pass. You can still do that, but new functionality added in the 9.1 software provides a more elegant solution. Here's how:

Create a new WishList under Find Programs -> Wishlists.
Enter the show title as a single Title Keyword (ex: Daily Show with Jon Stewart)
Enter all or part of the generic program description as a single Keyword (ex: A humorous slant).
Select this keyword and press thumbs up/down to mark it with a minus sign (ex: -A humorous slant).
Set the WishList to Auto Record with "First run only".

This will record all new episodes and ignore the repeat episodes with generic guide data. It replaces the season pass for the show. Examples:

Amazing Race
Title Keyword: Amazing Race*
Keyword: -Eleven Teams Of Two Travel The Globe
Keyword: -Reality Remix
Category: Interests:Reality

Colbert Report
Title Keyword: Colbert Report
Keyword: -Discuss current issues

Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Title Keyword: Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Keyword: -A humorous slant

Late Night
Title Keyword: Late Night
Keyword: -Interviews and comedy sketches

Oprah
Title Keyword: Oprah
Keyword: -Oprah discusses topics

Starter Wife
Title Keyword: Starter Wife
Keyword: -A woman struggles

Survivor
Title Keyword: Survivor*
Keyword: -I SHOULDN*T BE ALIVE
Category: Interests:Reality

If you want to always ensure that you get a HD version when available, remove (uncheck) the SD version of the appropriate channels from Settings -> Channels -> Channels List.

Note: Don't forget to remove your old season pass for the show from Season Pass Manager.

Full credit to Martin Tupper for this tip.
post #1955 of 3301
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Use the "Tupper Method" to eliminate repeats of certain programs with bad guide data.
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Full credit to Martin Tupper for this tip.

Thank you. I've seen that before. I can understand the need, but let's say you want to record Anderson Cooper 360 tonight on CNN. It has a generic description. My guide shows that the 8pm (EST) show is "new" and it shows the 10pm show is also "new". Both TVGuide.com and TitanTV.com indicate that the 10pm show is a repeat. If I try to enable a season pass for the 8pm show (new only), I get a conflict on the 10pm show. This might be a bad example, but it does show that nothing is perfect.

Honestly, I'm impressed that any extended EPG works. The maintenance needed to keep the various databases up to date must be enormous. I guess that's why Rovi dropped the "free" 8-day TVGOS guide.
post #1956 of 3301
I looked at Anderson Cooper 360 via iPad app, and you are right, it looks like they only do generic descriptions. I guess they don't book guests on that show? Anyway, the 8pm show listed as New, but the 10pm isn't. So if your season pass is new-only, the 10pm repeat shouldn't record.

Is this the case?
post #1957 of 3301
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

I looked at Anderson Cooper 360 via iPad app, and you are right, it looks like they only do generic descriptions. I guess they don't book guests on that show? Anyway, the 8pm show listed as New, but the 10pm isn't. So if your season pass is new-only, the 10pm repeat shouldn't record.
Is this the case?

Both 8pm and 10pm are shown as "new" on my guide. I have two shows already schedule for 10pm. If I try to get a Season Pass for the 8pm show (with "new" only), I get a conflict message at 10:30pm. Maybe it's a local cable issue. Nothing to worry about since I don't watch that show often anyhow. I also have a "new" on MSNBC for The Ed Show at 11pm but it's a repeat.

News shows don't usually list guests but they do list a "first aired" date and that is not always correct. Speculation: a "new" show that repeats on the same day may be the problem for my listings since The Daily Show has several repeats on the following day that are (usually) never marked as "new".
post #1958 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

New Tivo owner here. I have a question. I'm thinking of getting a second tivo on main tv. How hard is it to reprogram the remote ? Also if I have season pass and three shows are at the same time will the season pass move to the second dvr? Season pass is neat but it has already recorded same episodes even it is clearly setup for new episodes only in the manager.
If you can network the two TiVo's there is no reason for them to be co-located. You can put the second TiVo on a TV in another room. The recording list for each TiVo will appear in the playlist of the other. You can set up season passes on the second TiVo in another room and play them through your main TiVo over the network.
post #1959 of 3301
Been watching the Tim Tebow commercials and at the end it says TiVo is sold at Walmart. Ever go to walmart.com and do a search for "tivo"? I thought only Sam's Club sold them.
post #1960 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Been watching the Tim Tebow commercials and at the end it says TiVo is sold at Walmart. Ever go to walmart.com and do a search for "tivo"? I thought only Sam's Club sold them.
Are you sure they say you can buy a "TiVo" at walmart and not "Tebo".
The Jets might have tried that first.
post #1961 of 3301
^^^^
That's good.
post #1962 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ss-stingray View Post

New Tivo owner here. I have a question. I'm thinking of getting a second tivo on main tv. How hard is it to reprogram the remote ? Also if I have season pass and three shows are at the same time will the season pass move to the second dvr? Season pass is neat but it has already recorded same episodes even it is clearly setup for new episodes only in the manager.
Thanks
SS-Stingray
If you don't care about Off Air, get the TiVo with 4 Tuners. 4 Tuner TiVo cannot recieve Off Air. That very issue has kept me from uprading.
post #1963 of 3301
Basic TIVO question: I have both a DTVPal and CM-7000 DVR for over-the-air (no cable whatsoever) recording. Now that TV Guide is going away for those units, it may be time to change to an OTA DVR with an accessible guide. I read the specs at the beginning of this thread. Does the TIVO guide only get downloaded through wireless internet or phone line or something? My current DVR's get the data through the antenna somehow. We don't normally broadcast internet through the home 24-7, only when we hook up the laptop to the TV to watch something. So would I have to keep the wireless on constantly, just to use the TIVO guide? And if so, is that also the case for other versions of OTA TIVO's (I think there's a TIVO 3 or something from years past, but I'm very new to the TIVO world.) Thanks!!!

Katie
post #1964 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ko220 View Post

Basic TIVO question: I have both a DTVPal and CM-7000 DVR for over-the-air (no cable whatsoever) recording. Now that TV Guide is going away for those units, it may be time to change to an OTA DVR with an accessible guide. I read the specs at the beginning of this thread. Does the TIVO guide only get downloaded through wireless internet or phone line or something? My current DVR's get the data through the antenna somehow. We don't normally broadcast internet through the home 24-7, only when we hook up the laptop to the TV to watch something. So would I have to keep the wireless on constantly, just to use the TIVO guide? And if so, is that also the case for other versions of OTA TIVO's (I think there's a TIVO 3 or something from years past, but I'm very new to the TIVO world.) Thanks!!!
Katie
TiVo has a telephone option to access the data but I can't find a price. The wireless internet adaptor is also extra cost. You can connect to your router with a CAT5 cable. That assumes you mean WiFi and not internet access. Maybe you could disconnect the antenna? I guess asking why you turn off the WiFi would be the first step.

BTW, TVGOS is "inserted" into the broadcast signal by your station. PBS (WGTV or WPBA) are the first to die. If you can get WSB (ABC), it might still have the guide. PBS has been sending their inserters back to Rovi. CBS O&O should be the last to go but there have been exceptions. WGCL is not listed as a carrier of TVGOS.

I can't point to an alternative to the TiVo, OTA or cable, that can replace your current devices. If I could I would.
Edited by JoeKustra - 12/27/12 at 9:40am
post #1965 of 3301
If you have a land line and don't need to stream things to your Tivo then I'd just purchase one of the phone line adapters(I think ~$50) or if you purchased a used Series 3 or Tivo HD(like I have) the adapter would be build in. I've been using this method for 3+ years and have never had a issue. It automatically dials out once ~ every 30 hours and is generally only on the phone for a minute or two. Large upgrades may take 10-20 minutes but they are few and far behind. If you are on the phone or pick up while Tivo is downloading Tivo just disconnects and tries at a later time. I believe the number Tivo calls is local to your area, that or it's a toll free, either way I've never been charged long distance.
The only system to use OTA to get it's guide was TVGOS which as you know is gone or at the least will only be around for a few more months frown.gif

If your OK just disabling "wireless" for your router you could do as Joe suggested, run a hard wire from your router to Tivo and just disconnect the antenna when you don't want people to have access to your wireless internet connection. I'm not positive but I'd think with the antenna disconnected you'd have to be inches away from the router to pick anything up. I'm not positive, maybe someone else knows for sure. If just disconnecting the antenna didn't work maybe they make a SMS terminating resistor that would attenuate the signal?? Of course this is assuming your wireless router has a external antenna, if not that would complicate the matter.
post #1966 of 3301
I'm a new TiVo'er over from the DHG-HDD thread. There's some talk over there about backing up your TiVo hard drive just in case it dies in the future. Is there an easy way to do that without dismantling the TiVo and attaching to a PC? Or maybe, you don't have to image the new disc because all the "smarts" in the TiVo are in firmware? So far am impressed with the TiVo, but it's got some idiosyncrasies I haven't figured out yet.

Thanks.
post #1967 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

I'm a new TiVo'er over from the DHG-HDD thread. There's some talk over there about backing up your TiVo hard drive just in case it dies in the future. Is there an easy way to do that without dismantling the TiVo and attaching to a PC? Or maybe, you don't have to image the new disc because all the "smarts" in the TiVo are in firmware? So far am impressed with the TiVo, but it's got some idiosyncrasies I haven't figured out yet.
Thanks.
If you have space on a PC you can transfer shows over your network using the Desktop program. And back of course. This assumes your units are on the same network. I have a laptop I seldom use so I added a WD FreeAgent 1TB USB drive to hold stuff. Works well.
post #1968 of 3301
Thank you very much for the information. The reason we don't keep the router on all the time is that we rarely use wireless inside the home, just hard wired DSL in a different room from the TV, so I don't see the benefit of having it on all the time. But using the telephone line would be a great option. I think our TVGOS comes from Channel 2 here in Atlanta, and we still have it. I just know it's going away some time before April (I wrote to ROVI and they said, once it's gone, it's not coming back, and they have no intention of continuing it. Fun guys.) I know my unit will keep working, even without the guide, but it's not going to be as useful. I can program it like a dumb VCR, that's no problem, but I have really enjoyed the on-screen guide a week out. I will definitely consider the TIVO next time. Thanks again!
post #1969 of 3301
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Originally Posted by ko220 View Post

I will definitely consider the TIVO next time. Thanks again!

You will be back.
post #1970 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

I'm a new TiVo'er over from the DHG-HDD thread. There's some talk over there about backing up your TiVo hard drive just in case it dies in the future. Is there an easy way to do that without dismantling the TiVo and attaching to a PC? Or maybe, you don't have to image the new disc because all the "smarts" in the TiVo are in firmware? So far am impressed with the TiVo, but it's got some idiosyncrasies I haven't figured out yet.
Thanks.

You'll need to take the drive out, put in in your PC, and run the jmfs program to backup the Tivo software to another drive. Then if the drive ever crashes, you'll have a backup. You'll lose all recordings made after doing the copy but can easily install the new drive that way (and test it out before to make sure it works).

Most people use jmfs to upgrade the internal drive to a larger one, a good one to use is the Western Digital WD20EURS 2TB, that's what Tivo uses in the Elite/XL4. Then you put the original drive aside and that's your backup. You can buy another drive to make a copy but it's just as easy to upgrade. Note that doing so could void the warranty so it may be a good idea to wait until after the 90 days is up (I don't).
Edited by slowbiscuit - 12/28/12 at 9:12am
post #1971 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If you have space on a PC you can transfer shows over your network using the Desktop program. And back of course. This assumes your units are on the same network. I have a laptop I seldom use so I added a WD FreeAgent 1TB USB drive to hold stuff. Works well.

I think the OP was talking about having a backup drive so he could revive the TiVo in the event its drive died. I don't think he was talking about just saving his shows.

I bought my TiVo used and the seller had upgraded the drive and also sent the old one. The other option if one's drive dies you can buy one that has been set up for TiVo, but it's pricey. I think if one has a small drive one could kill two birds with one stone to upgrade to a larger drive and then keep the original small drive for the backup.

In any event, to back up the drive, it requires removal from the Tivo and attaching it to a pc along with the new drive.
post #1972 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

In any event, to back up the drive, it requires removal from the Tivo and attaching it to a pc along with the new drive.
You're right. When I hear "backup" I hear "data" not operating system. Plus my old XP box is EIDE and I figure the TiVo is SATA or PATA so connecting to my computer isn't an option. Using the TiVo as a mass storage unit is not something I need. I'm one of those timeshifters. If something pops up on my cable feed that is worth saving, that's when I offload it and save it for a rainy or snowy night.
post #1973 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

.... The other option if one's drive dies you can buy one that has been set up for TiVo, but it's pricey . . .

I have three TiVo Premiers. If the drive in one of them goes bad, can I simply pull a drive from one of the others to "copy" to make a new drive for the failed unit? Or are the backup drives somehow specific to THAT particular TiVo unit?
post #1974 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I have three TiVo Premiers. If the drive in one of them goes bad, can I simply pull a drive from one of the others to "copy" to make a new drive for the failed unit? Or are the backup drives somehow specific to THAT particular TiVo unit?

You can copy a drive from a different TiVo as long as they're the exact same model (so the software matches), but you would have to do a "Clear & Delete Everything" before the drive would work in the new TiVo, since the video encryption depends on the unit's TiVo Service Number, which is built into the motherboard.
post #1975 of 3301
^^
Ok thanks. I bought all three brand new at the same time, so I'll figure that I could probably safely copy a working drive from one to repair a failed drive in another, just losing recorded shows on the destination (new) drive in the process. smile.gif
post #1976 of 3301
I have a question or two in regards to recording back to back shows on same channel
Might get a Tivo and set it up with an antenna

I read the manual and it mentions the padding (looks like 1 min before and 3 after). Can that be changed by program or series? Reason I ask is I record TMZ (yeah I know) and for some reason it starts around 6:28:40 so on my Directv I have to set it 2 minutes early. Can the Tivo do that too?

What happens if you have back to back shows on same channel? How does it handle that?
Directv records the overlap regardless and doesnt take up and extra tuner (so as example one program goes from 7:59-8:31 and the 2nd one records from 8:29-9:01)
Dish snips it (removes the buffer) unless you set it up goofy (like 2 minutes early or 5 min late) so it forces it to use the other tuner

How does the Tivo handle it?

Thanks guys
post #1977 of 3301
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I have a question or two in regards to recording back to back shows on same channel
Might get a Tivo and set it up with an antenna
How does the Tivo handle it?
Thanks guys

Don't know how it handles it. You have the ability to record two data streams. Or watch one and record the other. You can't watch one and record two on the basic Premiere. You need a four data stream unit for that. I just set it and forget it. It's what you pay for. This is an OTA answer from a cable person. Anyone can correct me.
post #1978 of 3301
From my limited experience, if you record a show past it's scheduled end time and also record the following show in the same channel it records the second program on the other tuner. A way I've found around using two tuners for that is to NOT record the second show but rather just record the first show (say) two hours longer than scheduled. Then it just records both shows as one long show and just shows the name of the first recorded one.

To clarify. The Good Wife and Mentalist are both on CBS Sunday night at 8 and 9 pm. They often start late because of football games. At first I set up The Good Wife to record at 8 for an extra hour, and Mentalist at 9 for an extra hour. It took both tuners but both shows showed up in my record list. Instead I just record Good Wife to start at 8pm but record it for 2 extra hours. It records for 3 hours and puts one entry in the recorded list. The 3 hour recording contains episodes of both shows but with extra stuff at the beginning and/or end. I can live with that.
post #1979 of 3301
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I have a question or two in regards to recording back to back shows on same channel
Might get a Tivo and set it up with an antenna
I read the manual and it mentions the padding (looks like 1 min before and 3 after). Can that be changed by program or series? Reason I ask is I record TMZ (yeah I know) and for some reason it starts around 6:28:40 so on my Directv I have to set it 2 minutes early. Can the Tivo do that too?
What happens if you have back to back shows on same channel? How does it handle that?
Directv records the overlap regardless and doesnt take up and extra tuner (so as example one program goes from 7:59-8:31 and the 2nd one records from 8:29-9:01)
Dish snips it (removes the buffer) unless you set it up goofy (like 2 minutes early or 5 min late) so it forces it to use the other tuner
How does the Tivo handle it?
Thanks guys

The padding on both start and end is extremely flexible, which is helpful for live events or shows that run after sports events that run over.

Back to back shows are treated as separate events. If two tuners are available and one programs' padding runs into another, each will get a tuner. If only one tuner is available and the first program has padding, the second program is clipped.

You can watch a recorded program while two other programs are recording.
post #1980 of 3301
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

Can that be changed by program or series? Reason I ask is I record TMZ (yeah I know) and for some reason it starts around 6:28:40 so on my Directv I have to set it 2 minutes early.

Does it really start then? Everything I have says it starts at 5pm. True, it's on my CW or WB, but 1min 20sec early every day sounds strange. But like DaverJ said, padding is easy and flexible.
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