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post #1981 of 3301
FWIW.... About two weeks ago I noticed that the TiVo Guide showed a couple of back-to-back CBS shows starting/ending with odd times (like 7:00-8:02, 8:02-9:02, 9:02-10:00). These were all shows I had set to record as Season Passes, and I was home and watching when the record indicator turned on. It turned on at the proper time based on the Guide, and the shows recorded flawlessly.
post #1982 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

From my limited experience, if you record a show past it's scheduled end time and also record the following show in the same channel it records the second program on the other tuner. A way I've found around using two tuners for that is to NOT record the second show but rather just record the first show (say) two hours longer than scheduled. Then it just records both shows as one long show and just shows the name of the first recorded one.
To clarify. The Good Wife and Mentalist are both on CBS Sunday night at 8 and 9 pm. They often start late because of football games. At first I set up The Good Wife to record at 8 for an extra hour, and Mentalist at 9 for an extra hour. It took both tuners but both shows showed up in my record list. Instead I just record Good Wife to start at 8pm but record it for 2 extra hours. It records for 3 hours and puts one entry in the recorded list. The 3 hour recording contains episodes of both shows but with extra stuff at the beginning and/or end. I can live with that.
The only downside is when you use season pass and the first show, Good Wife in this example, is a repeat and the second show is a first run. You wind up with nothing.
post #1983 of 3301
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The only downside is when you use season pass and the first show, Good Wife in this example, is a repeat and the second show is a first run. You wind up with nothing.

Good point, I forgot to mention it (a habit from the DHG days.). I keep an eye on it and reschedule if Good Wife isn't on or isn't "new"
post #1984 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

To clarify. The Good Wife and Mentalist are both on CBS Sunday night at 8 and 9 pm. They often start late because of football games. At first I set up The Good Wife to record at 8 for an extra hour, and Mentalist at 9 for an extra hour. It took both tuners but both shows showed up in my record list. Instead I just record Good Wife to start at 8pm but record it for 2 extra hours. It records for 3 hours and puts one entry in the recorded list. The 3 hour recording contains episodes of both shows but with extra stuff at the beginning and/or end. I can live with that.
I record Good wife as a normal Season Pass with no overlap and Mentalist as a Season Pass with 1hr extra. Most of the time the end of the Good wife is on the beginning of the Mentalist and the Mentalist runs anywhere form 30 to 45 minutes late. I hadn't thought about JohnMc's point, in my case the worst scenario would be if GW was new but Mentalist was a repeat, in this case most certainly I'd miss the end of GW. Knock on wood this has not happened yet, generally if one is a R the other is also, guess I'll have to keep an eye out for it. BTW I used to pad the ending of the GW but as has been mentioned this uses both tuners then and I also record another show on the other tuner Once Upon A Time so that didn't work. If only Tivo would give me a 4 OTA tuner I'd be set. A couple times/week I have to watch one program live because of a tuner shortage, with 4 tuners I'd be fine 100% of the time.
I really detest the Sunday night CBS time slot! Football runs late 95% of the time, I just don't know why(actually I think I do) but I just wish they scheduled football 30 minutes longer. That would cover all but ~20% of the overruns.
post #1985 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Does it really start then? Everything I have says it starts at 5pm. True, it's on my CW or WB, but 1min 20sec early every day sounds strange. But like DaverJ said, padding is easy and flexible.

here in Minneapolis (TMZ is on Fox) the news is on at 6:00 and is usually done around 6:27. There is a couple commercials and TMZ ALWAYS starts before 6:29. Now is it 6:28:40 everyday? I dont know but if I set it to record 1 min before it always picks it up late. So 2 minutes early works.
Ironically the 10:35 "replay" starts after 10:35 (usually 20-30 seconds after) but since the 1st "new" episode is 6:30 it grabs that one

I was more worried about how flexible the padding is. Like I say on Directv I have it default to 1 min before 1 after and it works fine. If I want to change it I can just hit "info", then "record" and it gives me the option to change it from 1/1 to whatever I want
post #1986 of 3301
as for the back to back shows question its more of the series that are on subchannels here. I know I rarely have back to back network shows recording right now (actually there is one....Fridays TMZ at 6:30 and Kitchen Nightmares at 7) but AntennaTV and MeTV usually have 1 or 2 hour blocks of shows. I guess if I dont have anything else recording during those times I can always tie up both tuners for a couple minutes to get the overlap
post #1987 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I really detest the Sunday night CBS time slot! Football runs late 95% of the time, I just don't know why(actually I think I do) but I just wish they scheduled football 30 minutes longer. That would cover all but ~20% of the overruns.

Me too. Frequently CBS would list their prime time (inc 60 minutes) 30 minutes later. It would seldom be enough.

Not a problem when I lived in California.
post #1988 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

.... I really detest the Sunday night CBS time slot! Football runs late 95% of the time, I just don't know why(actually I think I do) but I just wish they scheduled football 30 minutes longer. That would cover all but ~20% of the overruns.

In many recent weeks, the TiVo Guide showed "60 Minutes" running from 6:30pm-7:30pm CST, Amazing Race starting at 7:30, Good Wife starting at 8:30, and the Mentalist starting at 9:30.
post #1989 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I record Good wife as a normal Season Pass with no overlap and Mentalist as a Season Pass with 1hr extra. Most of the time the end of the Good wife is on the beginning of the Mentalist and the Mentalist runs anywhere form 30 to 45 minutes late. I hadn't thought about JohnMc's point, in my case the worst scenario would be if GW was new but Mentalist was a repeat, in this case most certainly I'd miss the end of GW.
The football delay is a royal pain, but it's over soon. You can partly get around this by telling the season pass for The Mentalist to record "first-run and repeat" so it will always record and never clip a first-run Good Wife. The only problem here is if there is a week where Good Wife is scheduled to air but Mentalist is not.
post #1990 of 3301
Is there a command or procedure to make the listings repopulate?

The lineup is ok, but an increasing number of shows are wrong when it comes to being "new". These are network shows, not news programs. I checked the errors with Zap2It, tvguide.com and TitanTV.com. I like the Season Pass feature, but not flagging new or reruns is making it not so nice to use.
post #1991 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Is there a command or procedure to make the listings repopulate?
The lineup is ok, but an increasing number of shows are wrong when it comes to being "new". These are network shows, not news programs. I checked the errors with Zap2It, tvguide.com and TitanTV.com. I like the Season Pass feature, but not flagging new or reruns is making it not so nice to use.

The new "tag" has nothing to do with whether a season pass records (the tag has been buggy on Premieres since the Premiere was released). TiVo always uses the original air date to determine whether to record or not. These are rarely wrong. Do you have your season passes set to record new only? If so, which ones are recording when they shouldn't?
post #1992 of 3301
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Originally Posted by rrainwater View Post

The new "tag" has nothing to do with whether a season pass records (the tag has been buggy on Premieres since the Premiere was released). TiVo always uses the original air date to determine whether to record or not. These are rarely wrong. Do you have your season passes set to record new only? If so, which ones are recording when they shouldn't?

Tonight: Jimmy Fallon on NBC (actually tomorrow) is not shown as new. If the new tag is buggy I can live with that. I'll adapt.

The air date is wrong (1/2/13) but it was working before the holiday break. Leno is correct. I looked for a place to report the problem (here and TiVo Community) but only lineup issues seem to be reported.
post #1993 of 3301
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Originally Posted by rrainwater View Post

The new "tag" has nothing to do with whether a season pass records (the tag has been buggy on Premieres since the Premiere was released). TiVo always uses the original air date to determine whether to record or not. These are rarely wrong. Do you have your season passes set to record new only? If so, which ones are recording when they shouldn't?

Tonight: Jimmy Fallon on NBC (actually tomorrow) is not shown as new. If the new tag is buggy I can live with that. I'll adapt.

The air date is wrong (1/2/13) but it was working before the holiday break. Leno is correct. I looked for a place to report the problem (here and TiVo Community) but only lineup issues seem to be reported.

Never realized there was a new tag problem, although I never have missed a scheduled recording.

Like you said, the TiVo guide doesn't show Fallon as new, but the TiVo iPad and iPhone app does.

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post #1994 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Never realized there was a new tag problem, although I never have missed a scheduled recording.
Like you said, the TiVo guide doesn't show Fallon as new, but the TiVo iPad and iPhone app does.

Nice app. Only year is shown though. I haven't missed anything yet, and Fallon shows as new in the To Do List now. I'll put it down as a guide issue.

I have made extra recordings of The Daily Show, but not often. I'll blame it on Tribune.
post #1995 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Nice app. Only year is shown though. I haven't missed anything yet, and Fallon shows as new in the To Do List now. I'll put it down as a guide issue.
I have made extra recordings of The Daily Show, but not often. I'll blame it on Tribune.

The date is in the second column on the right.
post #1996 of 3301
Sorry I'm late, but I finally made it. My DHG had its second power failure and the clock was so out of whack, I finally had to get the Tivo. After the (almost) 3 hour set up, it's up and running. I've been using it for a week or so and it's not all that bad. I haven't formed the emotional attachment with it yet like we all had with the Sony, but it does the job.

I've been reading this forum to try to catch up. First ten pages and the last 15.

One thing missing that pertains to a recent question about the start time of a program is the ability to start a program LATER. You can stop it later or start it earlier, but you can't start the program later. I let some of the reality series run over by a minute and if I have multiple recordings, I can't just start the other recording later, and something gets clipped. Fortunately, they play the hell out of reality shows, so I can always find it at another time slot.

The thing that I'm having a problem with is getting stuff from my computer to the Tivo. I read somewhere that it's supposed to be at the bottom of the list on the "my shows' page. I can't find it anywhere. I have the software installed. I have no problem getting programs FROM the Tivo TO the computer, but I can't go FROM the computer TO the Tivo. It keeps telling me I need to sync with Tivo central and the only way I can do that is with the pay program. Someone posted early on about an app called Streambaby. Anybody using it? Does it work as advertised?

If this board is as helpful as the Sony DHG board was, I'm sure I'll be up and running in no time. And I don't see why it shouldn't be since there seem to ba a LOT of familiar faces here.
post #1997 of 3301
Take a look at pyTivo: http://pytivo.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/PyTivo

For transferring to the TiVo from a PC, You can "Push" from the PC to the TiVo or "Pull" from the TiVo, content on the PC.
post #1998 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

The date is in the second column on the right.
Sorry, I meant "first aired" date.
post #1999 of 3301
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

Sorry I'm late, but I finally made it. My DHG had its second power failure and the clock was so out of whack, I finally had to get the Tivo. After the (almost) 3 hour set up, it's up and running. I've been using it for a week or so and it's not all that bad. I haven't formed the emotional attachment with it yet like we all had with the Sony, but it does the job.
I've been reading this forum to try to catch up. First ten pages and the last 15.
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The thing that I'm having a problem with is getting stuff from my computer to the Tivo. I read somewhere that it's supposed to be at the bottom of the list on the "my shows' page. I can't find it anywhere. I have the software installed. I have no problem getting programs FROM the Tivo TO the computer, but I can't go FROM the computer TO the Tivo. It keeps telling me I need to sync with Tivo central and the only way I can do that is with the pay program. Someone posted early on about an app called Streambaby. Anybody using it? Does it work as advertised?

The TiVo Desktop works both ways. I have run it under XP and now use it on a Win7 laptop with a USB WD 1TB drive attached. It's free. So getting and error when I bring it up that I can just skip isn't causing problems. My TiVo is wireless and the laptop is wired.

I have never seen an error on the TiVo. After booting the computer, the TiVo should show "Now Playing on (your computer's name)" on the My Shows. Since I have a small HDD, I just use it to save specials and movies.

The extra money is for mobile devices. A wireless laptop is not considered mobile. You don't need the Desktop running to suck programs back to the TiVo if the server task auto starts.
post #2000 of 3301
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

The thing that I'm having a problem with is getting stuff from my computer to the Tivo. I read somewhere that it's supposed to be at the bottom of the list on the "my shows' page. I can't find it anywhere. I have the software installed. I have no problem getting programs FROM the Tivo TO the computer, but I can't go FROM the computer TO the Tivo.
You have to have the TiVo server running on your PC in the background. TiVo server is part of the TiVo Desktop application. In the configuration screen tell it to start the server automatically when you boot the PC. You should see the TiVo server icon in the system tray. If it is disabled, there will be a red X through it. When the server is running you will see your PC in the TiVo playlist at the bottom.
post #2001 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Is there a command or procedure to make the listings repopulate?
The lineup is ok, but an increasing number of shows are wrong when it comes to being "new". These are network shows, not news programs. I checked the errors with Zap2It, tvguide.com and TitanTV.com. I like the Season Pass feature, but not flagging new or reruns is making it not so nice to use.

If you have guide issues here are the two links to get things straightened out.
This one is Tivo:
http://www.tivo.com/setupandsupport/contactsupport/lineup_tool.html

And this one is Zap2It, This one is direct to Tribune Media Services:
http://www.zap2it.com/services/site/help/zap-help-contact,0,1784751.htmlstory

If anybody has listings or lineup issues just fill out the form and Tribune usually takes care of it in one day. If your Tivos lineup is incorrect or the channels are missing please contact them as nobody is going to do it, especially if you have cable, as they don't not report channel changes anymore as they have their own guides.
post #2002 of 3301
I know TiVo says it doesn't support Satellite inputs, but in a way, it does. I have a very limited subscription to DirecTV and I plugged my OTA antenna and the cable from the DTV box into a splitter and the splitter into the TiVo. The DTV receiver plays on channel 3 and although I don't get any guide data for that channel I do get the DTV feed (I just change DTV channels on the DTV receiver.)

My problem is that the DTV picture is very snowy. (The OTA is perfect HD) DTV is watchable for news programs but on the rare occasion I want to watch something where the picture matters, it's very hard to enjoy it. Has anyone else out there tried anything like this and have a better solution?

Thanks
post #2003 of 3301
My Premiere is misbehaving since I upgraded my AVR from an Onkyo TX-NR607 to a TX-NR616. I'm occasionally getting "HDMI connection not permitted" which forces me to replug the HDMI connection. I've tried turning HDMI standby pass-thru off on the AVR to no avail. This never happened before. I don't see a reference to this problem here, sorry if this is a FAQ. Any suggestions?


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post #2004 of 3301
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My Premiere is misbehaving since I upgraded my AVR from an Onkyo TX-NR607 to a TX-NR616. I'm occasionally getting "HDMI connection not permitted" which forces me to replug the HDMI connection. I've tried turning HDMI standby pass-thru off on the AVR to no avail. This never happened before. I don't see a reference to this problem here, sorry if this is a FAQ. Any suggestions?
I get it sometimes too. I wait a few seconds and it goes away. My AVR has CEC disabled and pass through enabled. Since it always goes away, and happens when I switch inputs, I ignore it. CEC sucks.
post #2005 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

....The lineup is ok, but an increasing number of shows are wrong when it comes to being "new". These are network shows, not news programs. I checked the errors with Zap2It, tvguide.com and TitanTV.com. I like the Season Pass feature, but not flagging new or reruns is making it not so nice to use.
I've also noticed an increase in the amount of time Tivo's guide is showing R when it's actually new. As others have pointed out the OAD(original air date) shows the program as todays date so I guess if I were recording these shows as a Season Pass event, things would be fine. The problem is with shows like Fallon, Kimmel, Craig, and Leno I don't use a Season Pass or even a Wishlist search but rather manually look at the guide page to decide if I want to record them. I immediately look over the ones listed as R but what caught my attention was programs this year were showing up as R but had a year date of 2013(the year shows up in the guide screen but not OAD). Since we are only a few days into the new year I knew it couldn't already be a R with a date of 2013. This got me into looking at the OAD which indeed showed todays date even though the previous screen showed a R mad.gif
So I guess until this gets straightened out I can't just rely on the R but must do the hassle of going into the info screen to see the OAD. The way I look at the guide this is NOT very convenient. Currently while watching something like the news I bring up the guide and manually move through the guide for each night, to see the OAD I need to push REC followed by INFO which takes me out of the news I might be watching in the background of my guide! To make matters worse, if I'm time delay watching the news when I get back from the INFO screen it automatically takes me back to the current time or live TV.
post #2006 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I've also noticed an increase in the amount of time Tivo's guide is showing R when it's actually new. As others have pointed out the OAD(original air date) shows the program as todays date so I guess if I were recording these shows as a Season Pass event, things would be fine. To make matters worse, if I'm time delay watching the news when I get back from the INFO screen it automatically takes me back to the current time or live TV.
It's hard to know where to ask for help. Is it a TiVo or Tribune issue? As for news, good luck with that. If I wanted to record prime time on msnbc it would be a waste since if a program is new, it's new all day including repeats on that day. Same with the Daily Show since the OAD seems to be ignored for a Season Pass.

Like you said: Trust but Verify.
post #2007 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I get [HDMI connection not permitted] sometimes too. I wait a few seconds and it goes away. My AVR has CEC disabled and pass through enabled. Since it always goes away, and happens when I switch inputs, I ignore it. CEC sucks.
Thanks. My AVR can't have passthru on without also enabling CEC. And my issue doesn't go away till I replug HDMI. What I'm trying now is to have my remote control send a "Standby" signal to the TiVo when I turn everything off. Maybe this causes HDCP to reinitialize each time I activate the system. Maybe not. If it's not resolved in the next couple of weeks I'll return my Onkyo for another AVR brand.

I spoke to Onkyo support today and the guy had no suggestions, other than switching to component or taking HDMI from TiVo directly to my TV and using ARC to get the audio back to the AVR. No thanks.
post #2008 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It's hard to know where to ask for help. Is it a TiVo or Tribune issue? As for news, good luck with that. If I wanted to record prime time on msnbc it would be a waste since if a program is new, it's new all day including repeats on that day. Same with the Daily Show since the OAD seems to be ignored for a Season Pass.
Like you said: Trust but Verify.

Then record by time and date, don't use the season pass feature.
post #2009 of 3301
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Originally Posted by spblat View Post

Thanks. My AVR can't have passthru on without also enabling CEC. And my issue doesn't go away till I replug HDMI. What I'm trying now is to have my remote control send a "Standby" signal to the TiVo when I turn everything off. Maybe this causes HDCP to reinitialize each time I activate the system. Maybe not. If it's not resolved in the next couple of weeks I'll return my Onkyo for another AVR brand.
I spoke to Onkyo support today and the guy had no suggestions, other than switching to component or taking HDMI from TiVo directly to my TV and using ARC to get the audio back to the AVR. No thanks.

Sorry I couldn't help more. I have a mix of old non-CEC stuff and newer stuff. Even with CEC disabled, when I turn off the AVR my TV goes blank. Turn off the TV and the TiVo audio goes silent for a few seconds. AVR is Yamaha RX-V867, TV is Sony 32EX700. All cables are from Monoprice.com with single ferrite core. Everything is HDMI except TV audio output (no ARC).
post #2010 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

Then record by time and date, don't use the season pass feature.
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