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post #2011 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

As for news, good luck with that. If I wanted to record prime time on msnbc it would be a waste since if a program is new, it's new all day including repeats on that day. Same with the Daily Show since the OAD seems to be ignored for a Season Pass.
Like you said: Trust but Verify.
I think you misunderstood what I was getting at with the news comment. I don't actually record the news but like to have it in the background when I page through the guide. I listen to it and am able to catch a little behind the guide screen but if I'm forced to look for OAD I lose the live TV feature since I have to go to into the "Season Pass & other options" screen which loses live TV frown.gif
I agree with your last statement and have learned I can't totally trust the R but need to verify if I have any doubts smile.gif
post #2012 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

I know TiVo says it doesn't support Satellite inputs, but in a way, it does. I have a very limited subscription to DirecTV and I plugged my OTA antenna and the cable from the DTV box into a splitter and the splitter into the TiVo. The DTV receiver plays on channel 3 and although I don't get any guide data for that channel I do get the DTV feed (I just change DTV channels on the DTV receiver.)
My problem is that the DTV picture is very snowy. (The OTA is perfect HD) DTV is watchable for news programs but on the rare occasion I want to watch something where the picture matters, it's very hard to enjoy it. Has anyone else out there tried anything like this and have a better solution?
Thanks

With that setup you're watching analog SD from the DirecTV box, of course, so it's never going to look like HD. But if you mean the picture is actually snowy (noisy), then try connecting only the DirecTV output directly to the TiVo's antenna input (as a test) to see if that helps. If it does, the signal getting through your splitter (combiner) may just be too weak for some reason. I'm assuming you have the TiVo's input connected to what would normally be the spitter's input.
post #2013 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I think you misunderstood what I was getting at with the news comment. I don't actually record the news but like to have it in the background when I page through the guide. I listen to it and am able to catch a little behind the guide screen but if I'm forced to look for OAD I lose the live TV feature since I have to go to into the "Season Pass & other options" screen which loses live TV frown.gif
I agree with your last statement and have learned I can't totally trust the R but need to verify if I have any doubts smile.gif
Now I'm confused. When viewing the guide I see a full description, include OAD, of the highlighted show. Live TV moves to a small box. This is a poor picture:

It also shows the two yellow new boxes for the show and its repeat.
post #2014 of 3301
Wow, thats sure nicer than the guide screen I see on my TIvo HD cool.gif
My guide just overlays whatever is playing on the screen and it's missing the little picture you have in the upper right corner(although I am familiar with that arrangement as my Sony HDTV w/TVGOS is similar, only on the upper left).
My Tivo HD guide also lacks the OAD(or as your guide calls it, first aired) for me to access OAD I have to go though several button pushes of which loses programming from my screen frown.gif
Lastly my guide also lacks the yellow NEW icon within the guide although my TVGOS uses the term new it's not within the guide but rather on top within the program description. AFAIK my Tivo never uses the term new, only R for a repeat.
IMO your guide looks more like TVGOS than my older Tivo guide, I wonder if the even older Series 3 looked different than my HD? If only Tivo made a 4 (OTA) tuner I'd be on a Premier in a heart beat, especially after looking at your guide.
Sorry for the confusion, other than being in HD I didn't realize how different the Premier guide looked compared to my Tivo HD.
Edited by jjeff - 1/3/13 at 3:39pm
post #2015 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Wow, thats sure nicer than the guide screen I see on my TIvo HD cool.gif
My guide just overlays whatever is playing on the screen and it's missing the little picture you have in the upper right corner(although I am familiar with that arrangement as my Sony HDTV w/TVGOS is similar, only on the upper left).
My Tivo HD guide also lacks the OAD(or as your guide calls it, first aired) for me to access OAD I have to go though several button pushes of which loses programming from my screen frown.gif
Lastly my guide also lacks the yellow NEW icon within the guide although my TVGOS uses the term new it's not within the guide but rather on top within the program description. AFAIK my Tivo never uses the term new, only R for a repeat.
IMO your guide looks more like TVGOS than my older Tivo guide, I wonder if the even older Series 3 looked different than my HD? If only Tivo made a 4 (OTA) tuner I'd be on a Premier in a heart beat, especially after looking at your guide.
Using TVGOS for the last 4 years on my DHG (V8) and 2 years on my TV (V10), I can understand the differences. Most, but not all, of the Premiere is now in HD. When it goes into Settings it still switches into SD. I'm glad the mystery is cleared up. And First Aired is probably only as accurate as the data that feeds the Tribune database.
post #2016 of 3301
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

With that setup you're watching analog SD from the DirecTV box, of course, so it's never going to look like HD. But if you mean the picture is actually snowy (noisy), then try connecting only the DirecTV output directly to the TiVo's antenna input (as a test) to see if that helps. If it does, the signal getting through your splitter (combiner) may just be too weak for some reason. I'm assuming you have the TiVo's input connected to what would normally be the spitter's input.


You're right about the setup and the snow. The signal coming through the splitter is just too weak. But if I hook the DTV box directly into the TiVo its fine (at least as fine as SD can be.) I tried a different splitter with the same result. The snow is a very uniform pattern if that tells you anything.

Any ideas of another way to hook this up? I tried connecting the DTV box to the cable input to the TiVo but don't know how to tune to it. I'm guessing it won't work without a cable card.
post #2017 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

You have to have the TiVo server running on your PC in the background. TiVo server is part of the TiVo Desktop application. In the configuration screen tell it to start the server automatically when you boot the PC. You should see the TiVo server icon in the system tray. If it is disabled, there will be a red X through it. When the server is running you will see your PC in the TiVo playlist at the bottom.

The program is configured so that the server starts automatically upon log-in. Under "Services"/Tivo Server Properties, the config tab says that the server is running. Network tab is set to Bonjour. Access tab is automatic.

I've "published" Music, Photos and Videos, but when I view that "now playing" list, only the movies show up. That's on the Tivo desktop software. On the Tivo itself, there's still no link to my computer.

Joe, thanks for the response, but I didn't understand a thing you said... :-(
post #2018 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It's hard to know where to ask for help. Is it a TiVo or Tribune issue? As for news, good luck with that. If I wanted to record prime time on msnbc it would be a waste since if a program is new, it's new all day including repeats on that day. Same with the Daily Show since the OAD seems to be ignored for a Season Pass.
Like you said: Trust but Verify.

OAD is never ignored. The problem is channels like CC often don't include the OAD so TiVo plays it safe and records it as if it were new.
post #2019 of 3301
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

The program is configured so that the server starts automatically upon log-in. Under "Services"/Tivo Server Properties, the config tab says that the server is running. Network tab is set to Bonjour. Access tab is automatic.
I've "published" Music, Photos and Videos, but when I view that "now playing" list, only the movies show up. That's on the Tivo desktop software. On the Tivo itself, there's still no link to my computer.
Joe, thanks for the response, but I didn't understand a thing you said... :-(
Let's just focus on the video. Do you have content in the TiVo folder?
Use TiVo desktop to transfer a recording on the TiVo to your PC then check the TiVo playlist to see if it is there.

In the "Server Properties" window, the Access Control tab --- do you have "full" or "automatic" selected?
post #2020 of 3301
I had to purchase the $20 upgrade for TiVo Desktop before I could push video to my TiVo.

TiVo doesn't support all formats of video, so another issue may be the encoder used on your video.
post #2021 of 3301
Automatic... But that's now a mute point. Today for some reason, it's right where it's supposed to be. And, yes. The computer was turned on and the desktop software running last time I looked. Transferred the videos I wanted, but only at about 10 to 12 MPS.

See, I knew you guys could solve the problem.

Now, what about music and photos?
post #2022 of 3301
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Originally Posted by gfbuchanan View Post

I had to purchase the $20 upgrade for TiVo Desktop before I could push video to my TiVo.
TiVo doesn't support all formats of video, so another issue may be the encoder used on your video.

Did you hear about that free software called Streambaby? http://code.google.com/p/streambaby/
Somebody posted it earlier in this forum and it looked pretty promising. I still may try it since it's supposed to be able to get around video compatibility issues.
post #2023 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Wow, thats sure nicer than the guide screen I see on my TIvo HD cool.gif
 

 

Yeah, that's pretty sharp alright, compared to the HD. 

 

Too bad I wasn't over 40 miles out, with some trees in my path, or I'd upgrade my HD to a Premiere. I don't always get all of my channels solidly as it is, though. 


Edited by Rammitinski - 1/4/13 at 5:40pm
post #2024 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

You're right about the setup and the snow. The signal coming through the splitter is just too weak. But if I hook the DTV box directly into the TiVo its fine (at least as fine as SD can be.) I tried a different splitter with the same result. The snow is a very uniform pattern if that tells you anything.
Any ideas of another way to hook this up? I tried connecting the DTV box to the cable input to the TiVo but don't know how to tune to it. I'm guessing it won't work without a cable card.

If you don't have cable, then yes, you should be able to connect the output of the DirecTV to the cable input on the TiVo. You're only trying to feed in one analog channel, and the frequency assignment for cable channel 3 is the same as for OTA channel 3, so it should work (without guide data, of course). You shouldn't need a cable card for analog, but for the TiVo to even try to tune a channel from that input, you'll probably have to rerun Guided Setup and tell the TiVo you have cable. Connect the DirecTV before you do that. If you have different cable plans available, just pick one, since you won't actually receive any of those channels anyway. When the TiVo gets done detecting channels, it should have found your antenna channels and analog channel 3 on the cable. It may actually show you guide data for channel 3, but that has nothing to do with your channel 3 feed. You'll have to schedule recordings from the DirecTV manually.
post #2025 of 3301
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Originally Posted by spblat View Post

Thanks. My AVR can't have passthru on without also enabling CEC. And my issue doesn't go away till I replug HDMI. What I'm trying now is to have my remote control send a "Standby" signal to the TiVo when I turn everything off. Maybe this causes HDCP to reinitialize each time I activate the system. Maybe not. If it's not resolved in the next couple of weeks I'll return my Onkyo for another AVR brand.
I spoke to Onkyo support today and the guy had no suggestions, other than switching to component or taking HDMI from TiVo directly to my TV and using ARC to get the audio back to the AVR. No thanks.

I just hooked up my Onkyo 9400 HTIB last night and the receiver has the same features as yours. You can enable HDMI passthrough with out using CEC controls. I have my Pace RNG 200 hooked into the cable/sat HDMI input of the onkyo then the onkyo to my kuro. In your set up menu, select paasthrough for the HDMI output in the HDMI input/output menu. Then in the hardware section go to the HDMI through and set it for cable/sat. Thats how I have mine set up and I have no CEC controls enabled on any of my devices.
If this is set properly you should be able to turn your AVR off and the video and audio will pass through to the tv and you just use the tv speakers for sound. Another thing is you might want to try is set the Tivo to output a native signal as this will cause the Tivo to negotiate a new handshake when you change to a channel with a different resolution. I do not have a Tivo yet so I do not know if you can do this.
You should not have to put the Tivo in standby mode as DVRs always are on.
post #2026 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

If this is set properly you should be able to turn your AVR off and the video and audio will pass through to the tv and you just use the tv speakers for sound.
My Onkyo does not have a pass through feature. I have my TiVo connected directly to my TV via HDMI and I send the optical out of the TiVo to the Onkyo. My Harmony remote is set up so I can play the TiVo through the TV and have the option to mute the TV speakers and play the sound through the AVR.
post #2027 of 3301
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

Automatic... But that's now a mute point. Today for some reason, it's right where it's supposed to be. And, yes. The computer was turned on and the desktop software running last time I looked. Transferred the videos I wanted, but only at about 10 to 12 MPS.
See, I knew you guys could solve the problem.
Now, what about music and photos?

I found a 1hr 1080i/DD5.1 TV show needed about 20 minutes to transfer. A lot depends on the real bit rate.

Music & Photo. Interesting. I see the locations with "032" after the "/" indicating somebody made a coding error. The "032" would be an ASCII space. Anyhow, it is supposed to play mp3 files but I haven't made that work yet. My WMC music isn't saved that way. More playing to do. There is doc & help on the TiVo web site.

Edit: .mp3 music files work. Hard part is finding the location to store them. More work needed.
Edited by JoeKustra - 1/5/13 at 6:22am
post #2028 of 3301
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Originally Posted by L David Matheny View Post

If you don't have cable, then yes, you should be able to connect the output of the DirecTV to the cable input on the TiVo. You're only trying to feed in one analog channel, and the frequency assignment for cable channel 3 is the same as for OTA channel 3, so it should work (without guide data, of course). You shouldn't need a cable card for analog, but for the TiVo to even try to tune a channel from that input, you'll probably have to rerun Guided Setup and tell the TiVo you have cable. Connect the DirecTV before you do that. If you have different cable plans available, just pick one, since you won't actually receive any of those channels anyway. When the TiVo gets done detecting channels, it should have found your antenna channels and analog channel 3 on the cable. It may actually show you guide data for channel 3, but that has nothing to do with your channel 3 feed. You'll have to schedule recordings from the DirecTV manually.
It worked like a charm. It also added a bunch of other channels I don't get but I unchecked them on the channel list. I wish there was a way to completely make them go away so they didn't show up when I select 'all channels' I think sometimes having the extra channels can mess up season pass recordings when it tries to record them on a 'dead' channel.

Thanks for the help!
post #2029 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Another thing is you might want to try is set the Tivo to output a native signal as this will cause the Tivo to negotiate a new handshake when you change to a channel with a different resolution. I do not have a Tivo yet so I do not know if you can do this.
You should not have to put the Tivo in standby mode as DVRs always are on.
Thanks, I'll try this if my current approach (TiVo standby each time I turn off the system) fails. Aside from testing my hypothesis that resuming from standby will renegotiate HDCP I agree there's no point using standby, as the DVR continues to do stuff in standby mode.
post #2030 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

My Onkyo does not have a pass through feature. I have my TiVo connected directly to my TV via HDMI and I send the optical out of the TiVo to the Onkyo. My Harmony remote is set up so I can play the TiVo through the TV and have the option to mute the TV speakers and play the sound through the AVR.

When I set up the new Onkyo 9400 HTIB I hooked it the same way as I had the Pace RNG 200 to the Onkyo SR 606, which is HDMI to tv and optical to the receiver.I didn't realize that the new Onkyo receiver, which is basically a SR 609, had HDMI pass through feature. I decided that I will try it out on the Pace box and so far I am having no problems with copy protection.
The big test will be sunday night when I record 5 different programs on HBO and Showtime. Usually they have copy protection in use on the premium channels.
When I get the Tivo, it will go in the place of the Pace and hopefully I will have no issues.

Hopefully I will get Harmony remotes after I get the two Tivos.
post #2031 of 3301
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Originally Posted by spblat View Post

Thanks, I'll try this if my current approach (TiVo standby each time I turn off the system) fails. Aside from testing my hypothesis that resuming from standby will renegotiate HDCP I agree there's no point using standby, as the DVR continues to do stuff in standby mode.
Two other things to check is make sure that your cable cards are binded with the Tivo, if you are using cable.

Look at checking pairing and copy protection in this link for Motorola M cards:
http://support.tivo.com/ci/fattach/get/72396/1335915432/redirect/1
For other cablecards click on the appropiate card brand:
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/142
A unbinded cablecard will work perfectly as long as the copy contol information is copy freely but once it changes to copy once or copy never then the screen you showed will pop up. It is the content owners who decide what the copy protection will be. The cable/sat companies have no control over this.

Also a bad or underperforming HDMI cable can cause this. I suggest using Blue Jeans Cables. I have been using them for a number of years and never had any issues with them. In fact all my cables on both my two tv set ups are from Blue Jeans. All the cables I ordered from Blue Jeans was at my door in two days and I never had any defective ones either.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/index.htm
post #2032 of 3301
Thanks Jed1. I looked at my M-card and saw nothing that seemed out of the ordinary. I'm now running a version of Roomie that doesn't know how to send a "Standby" signal to the Tivo anyway, so that theory is out for now. I've been using the same no-name HDMI cable for years. I've just swapped it out with a monoprice cable that's I've had on my PS3 for awhile. Wish me luck I guess...
post #2033 of 3301
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Originally Posted by spblat View Post

Thanks Jed1. I looked at my M-card and saw nothing that seemed out of the ordinary. I'm now running a version of Roomie that doesn't know how to send a "Standby" signal to the Tivo anyway, so that theory is out for now. I've been using the same no-name HDMI cable for years. I've just swapped it out with a monoprice cable that's I've had on my PS3 for awhile. Wish me luck I guess...

I am running Roomie on my XL4 & 320GB Premiere currently. The standard Roomie remote has a standby button, but I see they don't offer a command to add it. Roomie might be able to add a standby command if you contact them. I am currently using an experimental TiVo set from Roomie that gives live feedback of channel info & an elapsed time scrubber. It is just like what is currently available for DirecTV Roomie users if you look at the Roomie website. It is very cool software & should be available in February in v1.8.
post #2034 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jano18 View Post

I am running Roomie on my XL4 & 320GB Premiere currently. The standard Roomie remote has a standby button, but I see they don't offer a command to add it. Roomie might be able to add a standby command if you contact them. I am currently using an experimental TiVo set from Roomie that gives live feedback of channel info & an elapsed time scrubber. It is just like what is currently available for DirecTV Roomie users if you look at the Roomie website. It is very cool software & should be available in February in v1.8.
Yeah, I'm running their experimental Premiere code too. And I just got the HDCP error with the replacement HDMI cable. Manually placing the TiVo on standby and awakening it resolved it. So once I have a standby command in Roomie I'm probably square.
post #2035 of 3301
Funny story. I have been trying to schedule two shows on The Weather Channel for Thursday 1/10 at 9pm, but my listings have the wrong data. I figured it was a Tribune problem and Zap2It was wrong last week too. TitanTV and TVGOS were right. Now Zap2It is correct. So I go to the TiVo web site and it is also correct. I figure I can schedule from the web site. I get a confirmation email then 20 minutes later I get another email that the scheduling can't be made since the programs are not in my listings. The web site listings can read my favorites. Perplexing. I may go back to my VCR. [joking]
post #2036 of 3301
^^
The TiVo doesn't update on a continuous basis. The listing may be corrected on the next scheduled update. Or maybe you can force the update by telling it to connect to TiVo.com, I'm not sure if that forces updates to the listings or not . . .
post #2037 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

^^
The TiVo doesn't update on a continuous basis. The listing may be corrected on the next scheduled update. Or maybe you can force the update by telling it to connect to TiVo.com, I'm not sure if that forces updates to the listings or not . . .
I've already done a power cycle. I'll jump over to the Community and see if there are some ideas there. I would flush the listings by changing my zipcode, but that might mess up more than it fixes.
post #2038 of 3301
You don't have to do a power cycle (and that's not going to fix guide listings anyway). Go to Settings->Network->Connect now to get an update, if there is one. More likely you just have to wait until the next day. If it doesn't get corrected just schedule a manual recording for the time slot, it's not a big deal.

I show Lifeguard! at 9 and 9:30pm tomorrow night for TWC on my Tivo using Comcast in the ATL, btw.
post #2039 of 3301
For anyone interested, Tivo demoed the Mini extender for engadget at CES yesterday. Still no word on price and when it will ship, but at launch it will apparently still have the annoying requirement to permanently steal a tuner if you want live TV and it will only be able to be setup with the 4-tuner boxes (however it will stream recordings from 2-tuner Premieres after setup). If you don't want live TV on it there is no tuner stolen, but you still have to have a 4-tuner box to set it up.

There is some word that it will come with either a monthly or lifetime service fee. If the total w/lifetime is more than $150 or so I'm likely not interested and will wait for a sale.
post #2040 of 3301
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

... Go to Settings->Network->Connect now to get an update, if there is one ......

Yes. That's like what I was talking about. I just wasn't sure whether that would update the Listings on Joe's TiVo or not, assuming there were updated listings available in the TiVo.com database.
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