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post #2071 of 3301
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

At 8 AM Wednesday - I had the Opposite Happen - the Comcast Signal
dropped enough to cause a problem. I had to take out my attenuator
to get the signal back.
Did you check the signal level or SNR? It's very odd of have a fluxuation in a cable signal level. Mine has always been 90 to 95 since day 1. I have fiber to about two miles away then old coax.
post #2072 of 3301
Thanks for reminding me, I have a similar variable attenuator, now just to find it...........biggrin.gif
I think my fixed attenuators are all to high a db to use in this case(-15-20db) whereas the variable one goes down to something like 3db min.
post #2073 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Did you check the signal level or SNR? It's very odd of have a fluxuation in a cable signal level. Mine has always been 90 to 95 since day 1. I have fiber to about two miles away then old coax.

My cable line fluctuates quite a bit.. mostly from low signal level to lower signal level.
ALL things considered Joe, I think it's YOU (and Jed) that have the ODD CableCo!!! biggrin.gif
post #2074 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

My cable line fluctuates quite a bit.. mostly from low signal level to lower signal level.
ALL things considered Joe, I think it's YOU (and Jed) that have the ODD CableCo!!! biggrin.gif
No argument there. I sometimes think my location belongs in a book under the "Believe it Or Not" heading. It might be the lack of sun or high sulpher level in the air.
post #2075 of 3301
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

Since you are used to how the Sony's padding works, you should look at the Premier's method of doing it again (I was initally confused by this also). The Sony allowed you to start recordings early or late, and end recordings early or late. On the Sony you moved left for earlier and right for later. The Premier only lets you start early and end late. In both cases you move the setting to the right. You cannot start late, or end early with these settings on the Premier.

Mark

Thanks for the correction. I was trying to start a recording later, since I had another recording running a minute late and something else on tuner 2. This obviously caused a conflict and all I wanted to do was delay one recording by a minute ( since it's all trash up front ). It sucks not having that flexability. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard of a thing to add. And yes, I'm still bitter about the sony...:-(
post #2076 of 3301
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

Thanks for the correction. I was trying to start a recording later, since I had another recording running a minute late and something else on tuner 2. This obviously caused a conflict and all I wanted to do was delay one recording by a minute ( since it's all trash up front ). It sucks not having that flexability. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard of a thing to add. And yes, I'm still bitter about the sony...:-(
TiVo's conflict resolution will do that automatically. When you are in the position of both tuners actively recording and there is a couple minute overlap between two consecutive recordings, the TiVo will clip the beginning of the lower priority recording. It's just a different way of doing things that you will have to get used to.
post #2077 of 3301
I improved my OTA Premier signal reliability, thanks to the info on this thread...

A little background... I have two Tivo Premiers and am DXing OTA with a Digitenna DUV-XF. I'm 30-55 miles from the transmitters and have done everything I could to ensure a strong signal to my tuners including a CM7777 pre-amp at the antenna and a CM3412 distribution amp inside. The distribution amp significantly increased the signal to each of the tuners (as measured with my Digi-Air signal meter), but I was having lots of drop-out and pixelating problems. I began to question the quality of my new Premier tuners.

The attenuator suggestion on this thread gave me an idea. Although I was successful in getting a strong signal from my antenna to the tuners, I may also be inadvertently getting some strong multi-path signals to my tuners too. Solution... I removed the distribution amp and replaced it with a splitter (essentially attenuating the signal). As expected, my Digi-Air meter did verify a weaker signal at my tuners, but the drop-outs were significantly reduced! I may have also been having some clipping of the stronger signals. Ironically, it appears that I may have been too successful in increasing signal strength!

Thank you for the attenuator idea... Suddenly I'm very pleased with my Premier's OTA performance!
post #2078 of 3301
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Originally Posted by acstoliker View Post

I improved my OTA Premier signal reliability, thanks to the info on this thread...

Thank you for the attenuator idea... Suddenly I'm very pleased with my Premier's OTA performance!

I do wonder, did you ever check the signal strength with your TiVo? Having some numbers as reported by the TiVo could help others in the future. Glad everything works.
post #2079 of 3301
Yes I have used the TiVo meter, which is not necessarily a signal strength meter but, from what I understand, more of a signal quality meter. After I reduced the signal strength (measured in decibels), the signal quality meter on the TiVo increased (measured in ?). Personally, I was fixated on improving signal strength. It never occurred to me that higher signal strength (decibels) could result in lower Tivo meter readings (quality).

TiVo meter readings per my set up AFTER attenuating my signal...
-My distance stations improved about 10 TiVo points bringing them above the signal "cliff" resulting in a more stable picture. This is where I believe I was having the multi-path problems.
-My closer stations used to be 90 TiVo points but would occasionally swing wildly causing drop-outs. This is where I believe I was having the "clipping" problem.

I hope this helps!
post #2080 of 3301
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

Thanks for the correction. I was trying to start a recording later, since I had another recording running a minute late and something else on tuner 2. This obviously caused a conflict and all I wanted to do was delay one recording by a minute ( since it's all trash up front ). It sucks not having that flexability. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard of a thing to add. And yes, I'm still bitter about the sony...:-(

You can do this by substituting a manual recording for the scheduled recording that you want to change. For example, if you want to record from 8:01 to 8:30 instead of 8:00 to 8:30, just delete the scheduled recording and make a manual recording that runs from 8:05 to 8:30, and set it to start 4 minutes early.

To do this, in the HDUI go to "TiVo Central > Manage Recordings & Downloads > Set Up a Manual Recording." After you enter the recording and press select, select "Modify Recording Options" to change the start time to 4 minutes early.
post #2081 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

TiVo's conflict resolution will do that automatically. When you are in the position of both tuners actively recording and there is a couple minute overlap between two consecutive recordings, the TiVo will clip the beginning of the lower priority recording. It's just a different way of doing things that you will have to get used to.

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Originally Posted by pig_man View Post

You can do this by substituting a manual recording for the scheduled recording that you want to change. For example, if you want to record from 8:01 to 8:30 instead of 8:00 to 8:30, just delete the scheduled recording and make a manual recording that runs from 8:05 to 8:30, and set it to start 4 minutes early.

To do this, in the HDUI go to "TiVo Central > Manage Recordings & Downloads > Set Up a Manual Recording." After you enter the recording and press select, select "Modify Recording Options" to change the start time to 4 minutes early.

Forgive a TiVo newbie for getting confused. confused.gif I thought I understood the overlap thing, but maybe not.

If I have two programs that both start at 10PM on channels A & B, and also want to record a program on channel C that runs from 8-10:01PM, will the TiVo clip the last minute from that program as long as it has the lowest priority? Or will it clip the 1st minute from one of the other two that have higher priority?

The Sony DHG made this so easy because you could edit a program to end early!
post #2082 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post


Forgive a TiVo newbie for getting confused. confused.gif I thought I understood the overlap thing, but maybe not.

If I have two programs that both start at 10PM on channels A & B, and also want to record a program on channel C that runs from 8-10:01PM, will the TiVo clip the last minute from that program as long as it has the lowest priority? Or will it clip the 1st minute from one of the other two that have higher priority?

The Sony DHG made this so easy because you could edit a program to end early!
I just had something like this happen, I'll translate my experience into your example. It seems the TiVo only clips the beginning. If the 8-10:01 recording was the lowest priority, the TiVo would not record it. I had to make the 8-10:01 recording the highest priority and then the TiVo informed me it would clip the beginning of one of the lower priority recordings.
post #2083 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I just had something like this happen, I'll translate my experience into your example. It seems the TiVo only clips the beginning. If the 8-10:01 recording was the lowest priority, the TiVo would not record it. I had to make the 8-10:01 recording the highest priority and then the TiVo informed me it would clip the beginning of one of the lower priority recordings.

Ouch! That is not what I want at all. I was hoping it would clip the last minute of the low priority. Wonder why TiVo only provides an option to extend start/end times, not shorten them.

Thanks for the response even if it wasn't what I hoped to hear. mad.gif

Edit: Now that I think about it, I guess just doing a manual recording would solve the problem. It doesn't happen all that often that I'll be overly inconvienced. biggrin.gif
Edited by Possumgirl - 1/25/13 at 3:58pm
post #2084 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Ouch! That is not what I want at all. I was hoping it would clip the last minute of the low priority. Wonder why TiVo only provides an option to extend start/end times, not shorten them.
Which would you be more ticked off at -- missing the first couple minutes or missing the last minute where you find out who the killer is or whether or not they hopped into bed together? I can figure out what happened in the first 2 min by the first commercial; I would be way more ticked off if I watched for an hour and missed the punchline. IMHO TiVo got it right.
post #2085 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Which would you be more ticked off at -- missing the first couple minutes or missing the last minute where you find out who the killer is or whether or not they hopped into bed together? I can figure out what happened in the first 2 min by the first commercial; I would be way more ticked off if I watched for an hour and missed the punchline. IMHO TiVo got it right.
I think TiVo is right most of the time. A lot depends on the show you are recording. There should be a list where you can look up whether the first minute is "previously" or the "crime to be solved". Same with the endings. Some are "next on...." and some go to the last second. Shows are different and nothing will make everybody happy. That ended years ago along with fixed "seasons" and the 60 minute show. I guess I watch too much television since I can usually predict when the show starts after a commercial. We are blessed with that skip or FF button.
post #2086 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Which would you be more ticked off at -- missing the first couple minutes or missing the last minute where you find out who the killer is or whether or not they hopped into bed together? I can figure out what happened in the first 2 min by the first commercial; I would be way more ticked off if I watched for an hour and missed the punchline. IMHO TiVo got it right.

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I think TiVo is right most of the time. A lot depends on the show you are recording. There should be a list where you can look up whether the first minute is "previously" or the "crime to be solved". Same with the endings. Some are "next on...." and some go to the last second. Shows are different and nothing will make everybody happy. That ended years ago along with fixed "seasons" and the 60 minute show. I guess I watch too much television since I can usually predict when the show starts after a commercial. We are blessed with that skip or FF button.

As Joe said, it really depends on the shows involved. Guess the ones I watch don't have anything significant going on in the last minute (particularly if the show extends that darn one minute over the hour). Which is why I'd love to see TiVo add the feature to let the user end a recording early if they choose to.
post #2087 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post


As Joe said, it really depends on the shows involved. Guess the ones I watch don't have anything significant going on in the last minute (particularly if the show extends that darn one minute over the hour). Which is why I'd love to see TiVo add the feature to let the user end a recording early if they choose to.
It would also help if the listings indicated a show was more or less than 60 minutes. Some online guides, like titantv.com and zap2it.com, display a small offset for shows, like Castle, since it always starts at 10:01 (or later). Just a thought.
post #2088 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It would also help if the listings indicated a show was more or less than 60 minutes. Some online guides, like titantv.com and zap2it.com, display a small offset for shows, like Castle, since it always starts at 10:01 (or later). Just a thought.
The TiVo Tribune listings do. At least they do for me and OTA out of Philly. I regularly see ABC shows listed as 9-10:02 and the next show as 10:02-11. I never pad anything except live sports and have never missed a beginning or ending.
post #2089 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

The TiVo Tribune listings do. At least they do for me and OTA out of Philly. I regularly see ABC shows listed as 9-10:02 and the next show as 10:02-11. I never pad anything except live sports and have never missed a beginning or ending.
Must be a local thing. My grid lines for Castle and Scandle on ABC are not offset. The time shown when placing the yellow box on the show does display the correct late start time.

The start display for the Leno and Letterman are offset for the start, but not for the end. Strange.
post #2090 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Must be a local thing.

I'm not in Philly, but I've seen it too. On CBS . . .
post #2091 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I'm not in Philly, but I've seen it too. On CBS . . .
I find it strange that there is no displayed offset on the listings of the DHG. It's sporatic with tvguide.com also. At least the TiVo has the right times. TVGOS does not. But why beat a dead horse.
post #2092 of 3301
“Streaming” and/or “Transfers” with two Premieres: Is this possible and does it work correctly with only ONE subscription service? Or do you have to have subscription service on both units? This is for OTA only.
post #2093 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

“Streaming” and/or “Transfers” with two Premieres: Is this possible and does it work correctly with only ONE subscription service? Or do you have to have subscription service on both units? This is for OTA only.
You have to have an active subscription on all Premieres for Streaming and/or transfering programs between them to work. Assuming you have subs on both units both steaming and transferring will work with OTA content TiVo refers to transferring of a program as Multi-room viewing.
post #2094 of 3301
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Originally Posted by acstoliker View Post

Yes I have used the TiVo meter, which is not necessarily a signal strength meter but, from what I understand, more of a signal quality meter. After I reduced the signal strength (measured in decibels), the signal quality meter on the TiVo increased (measured in ?). Personally, I was fixated on improving signal strength. It never occurred to me that higher signal strength (decibels) could result in lower Tivo meter readings (quality).

The "DVR Diagnostics" screen is more informative. You get both "strength" and SNR values ... plus it doesn't nuke your live buffers. I haven't tried using it during a recording, though.
post #2095 of 3301
Question about "streaming", "transferring", and multi-room viewing.

I have a Premiere and I am thinking of getting a Premiere XL4. Is streaming and transferring between the TiVos the same thing? Can I transfer copy protected content between the two TiVos? While streaming or multi-room viewing, do the FF controls, etc., work just as well as they do when watching the content directly?

Sorry I could probably spend some time researching these questions, but I thought someone could give me a quick primer on this.
post #2096 of 3301
I'd appreciate that primer as well. Also, does transferring work between a Premiere and a Series 3?
post #2097 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

Question about "streaming", "transferring", and multi-room viewing.

I have a Premiere and I am thinking of getting a Premiere XL4. Is streaming and transferring between the TiVos the same thing? Can I transfer copy protected content between the two TiVos? While streaming or multi-room viewing, do the FF controls, etc., work just as well as they do when watching the content directly?

Sorry I could probably spend some time researching these questions, but I thought someone could give me a quick primer on this.

I have TiVo's that I record in one room and play in another room.

On TiVo it is transferring.

FF only works perfectly if you have transferred the whole recording, which you
can do if you want to watch it later. If you want to watch it IMMEDIATELY which
you can then it depends on your in-home network speed if FF works.

I have good in-home speed and if I want to FF through all the Commercials, then
I DELAY the start to let the transfer get rolling.

It is not STREAMING.
post #2098 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

.... does transferring work between a Premiere and a Series 3?

Yes.....
post #2099 of 3301
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I have TiVo's that I record in one room and play in another room.

It is not STREAMING.

It sounds like the Desktop minus the PC.
post #2100 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It sounds like the Desktop minus the PC.

EXCEPT the DESKTOP with PC Never Sees 1080i Video.

Video quality is reduced to the PC.

The PC Transfer is Slow as H-LL because of the video conversion.
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