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Walmart and Walmart.com now sell the 500GB Premiere. No discount and no mention of service.
update: it's $1.99 off list.
Edited by JoeKustra - 1/29/13 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

Whats odd is why Tivo sometimes show the episode number(actually probably the majority of the time) but other times like with Castle they don't confused.gif
I also frequently look at the OAD(original air date) which isn't always shown but the vast majority of the time it is although if they are showing episodes out of order(like Castle and Body of Proof like to) then OAD is really of no help.

TiVo is currently looking into the missing Season and Episode numbers, add your comments here:
http://forums.tivo.com/pe/action/forums/displaythread?rootPostID=11064282&channelID=10&portalPageId=10432560

Also file a Support Ticket about this issue:
http://support.tivo.com/app/ask
post #2133 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

It started with a 2x4 being smaller. Then the foot-long subway is only 11". So losing information in the guide is just another cut-back. I do miss the episode numbers. Maybe that was the price for Tribune Media to get out of bankruptcy?

Where do you come off saying that losing information in the guide is "just another cutback?" Documentation please because, as the above poster just mentioned, TiVo is looking into this problem. To assume that it's some kind of "cutback" is certainly misleading and false....
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Where do you come off saying that losing information in the guide is "just another cutback?" Documentation please because, as the above poster just mentioned, TiVo is looking into this problem. To assume that it's some kind of "cutback" is certainly misleading and false....
Guilty of trying to add humor. I will try harder to avoid it.
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Guilty of trying to add humor. I will try harder to avoid it.
I took it as humor, which isn't all that bad but I also like to use the little biggrin.gif which can tell people my intention.
Of course some probably think I use them too much, but to that I say tongue.gif
BTW as per Bryan_CoxPHX's suggestion I filed a ticket with Tivo in regards to missing episode numbers, I'm OTA only. Not sure if it's a bug but if other TMS list a episode number then Tivo should also, I had assumed the episode number was also lacking on other TMS listings.
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I took it as humor, which isn't all that bad but I also like to use the little biggrin.gif which can tell people my intention.
Of course some probably think I use them too much, but to that I say tongue.gif
BTW as per Bryan_CoxPHX's suggestion I filed a ticket with Tivo in regards to missing episode numbers, I'm OTA only.
I keep forgetting. I guess the brain goes first. smile.gif

I added my name to the list also. TMI still has them on Zap2It.
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

I bought a TiVo Premier over the holidays, and also had tuner issues (the same symptoms as you describe). I exchanged it for a different one, and it also had the tuner problems. The problem is that these tuners are easily overdriven (even with my unamplified attic antenna). I added a variable attenuator to the setup, and my bouncing signals in 60s jumped into the 90s, and were then stable. Unfortunately since I had to attenuate the signal, my weakest stations (that I never watch) could no longer be tuned. I haven't had any more problems with reception since.

Mark

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^^^interesting that even a non amplified setup was strong enough to cause issues, sounds like a bad design to me. I should try your theory on my TIvo HD. Like I said in a previous post I get 98%+ on most all my stations and 99.9% of the time everythings fine but occasionally I get a bit of brief pixelazation on 1 channel(my favorite that I make the majority of my recordings, CBS). I've never been able to catch it live(I almost exclusively time shift programs) so by the time I see it the issue has been long gone. I guess I could try a simple attenuator, maybe 5db or so and see what happens. All the stations I watch are strong so I doubt I will have issues with weak stations. I'll give it a try, thanks for the tip smile.gif
I tried my variable attenuator but since it's so old it must have dust on the pot so every time I touched it my signal would bounce all over the place. Instead I tried my -10 and -12 and -20db fixed attenuators. The -20 was way too much and stopped all but my strongest signals. The -12 lost several channels, the -10 was better but brought some channels down to 20 on the signal meter, a bit low for my taste. On the bright side the attenuators seems to have mostly fix my dropouts on my local CBS channel. Without the attenuator both my Tivo and Sony TV would drop badly, swinging from +90 signal strength to 0, with the attenuator it was a solid 40 and only dropped once in a 1/2hr test. I think I'll try and locate a -8 or even -6db attenuator and see how that works. Long story short your attenuator suggestion seems to be on the right track for my dropouts, thanks for the tip smile.gif
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Without the attenuator both my Tivo and Sony TV would drop badly, swinging from +90 signal strength to 0, with the attenuator it was a solid 40 and only dropped once in a 1/2hr test. I think I'll try and locate a -8 or even -6db attenuator and see how that works. Long story short your attenuator suggestion seems to be on the right track for my dropouts, thanks for the tip smile.gif

I often wonder if some signal levels can only go from 0 to 99 so I prefer the SNR. For minimal attenuation a splitter should offer 3 to 6 db.

Both my Sony TV and Tivo agree that I have a 36 to 37 SNR. It's cable so they don't move a lot.
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


I use both.


The simplest to set up by far is the TiVo Desktop software. The free version is sufficient for standard transfers, the pay version is only necessary if you want to transcode for mobile devices. TiVo desktop runs as a service and allows bidirectional transfers to and from your TiVo. It is most useful if you want to collect a full season of a series to watch in the summer without having it take up all the disk space on your TiVo. If you have TiVo Desktop running on a PC that is on all the time, you can set it up to auto transfer the programs as soon as they are done recording. I typically collect several that I just don't have time to watch during the regular season. Then during the summer when the TiVo que has been cleared I'll send the series back to the TiVo to watch. Best of all, if it's a new series I'll collect it. That way if it gets canceled after half a season I can flush it without ever having wasted time getting interested in it.


kmttg is a stand-alone program that just does one-way transfers from TiVo to PC but with a lot of features -- these features come from it's use of open-source helper apps that have to be installed but it guides you through all that. Native TiVo files have an encrypted wrapper that kmttg can easily strip off to give you a simple .mpg file that can be edited to remove commercials (Video ReDo TV Suite) if you want to archive the recordings on a NAS or burn to disk. kmttg can also recode the TiVo files from MPEG-2 to H.264 which allows you to shrink them a lot without loss of quality -- again, for burning to disk or storage on a NAS for media players. I like kmttg because it is fast and doesn't run as a service.


With any of these apps, if the source on the TiVo is marked as copy-once you will not be able to transfer it to either your PC or another TiVo. But since you are using it for OTA (like I do) nothing is copy-protected and so there are no restrictions. I have never been unable to copy anything from my TiVo to my PC using either software program.



Ok. So after a year of getting by with TiVo Desktop, I've decided to add kmttg into the mix. But I'm not sure whether I need to buy VideoRedo as well, and if I do need VideoRedo I'm not sure which of the three "suites" to get.

My question is with the paragraph about "QS Fix" shown in the picture. All I really want to have is the best quality video in the output file, without the TiVo wrapper. Smaller file size is a plus too, as long as there is not quality hit. The paragraph in question says if you don't have VideoRedo it will accomplish the task using alternate software. But is VideoRedo better than the other options?
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I always thought VideoReDo was one of the best options. But it isn't free. I've been using it for many years with TiVo Desktop.
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Ok. So after a year of getting by with TiVo Desktop, I've decided to add kmttg into the mix. But I'm not sure whether I need to buy VideoRedo as well, and if I do need VideoRedo I'm not sure which of the three "suites" to get.
The minimum version would be "VRD TV Suite v3" ($75). This is suitable for editing MPEG-2 HDTV captures and .tivo files directly. You have to have TiVo Desktop installed in order for VRD to edit .tivo files because it calls the TiVo Desktop decrypter. If you have any thoughts to recoding the titles to H.264, working with H.264 recordings from another device or working with Win MCE (.wtv files) it is worth the extra $20 to get "VRD TV Suite H.264" ($96).
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My question is with the paragraph about "QS Fix" shown in the picture. All I really want to have is the best quality video in the output file, without the TiVo wrapper.
I have never had to use the Quick Stream Fix on any .tivo file, so I can't comment on its utility. If you just want to remove the .tivo wrapper with kmttg, just check the "decrypt" box. In a first step, it will transfer the .tivo file over; in a second step it will remove the .tivo wrapper and write an .mpg file -- there is no recoding involved, it maintains original fidelity. At the end you will have both files on your HDD.
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Smaller file size is a plus too, as long as there is not quality hit.
Then you should get the VRD H.264 version. I have used their H.264 encoder to recode HDTV MPEG-2 with a 30% file size reduction (their default profile). When used as a 2-pass encoder, I could not tell the difference from the original MPEG-2 recording when viewed sequentially. When used as a single pass encoder, it did not look too good; the picture was clearly inferior and not something I wanted to watch. I only recode to H.264 if I want to save the recordings to BluRay and the MPEG-2 recordings won't all fit on the BD-R -- otherwise I leave them as MPEG-2.

kmttg is a transfer program, VRD is an editing/recoding/authoring program. If you want to edit commercials from your recordings, I think VRD is one of the best and worth the money. The Auto Commercial detection works very well to mark the commercial start-stop points. It can be run in unattended batch mode to process a bunch of recordings. I find it takes me about 5 min/1 hr episode to proof the marks and make the actual cuts. Saving the edited files to your desired filetype can also be done in unattended batch mode. Cutting commercials effects a huge reduction in file size -- a 1 hr episode contains about 20 min of commercials which are encoded at the same resolution and bitrate as the show. Cutting out the commercials reduces the file size by about 1/3 without touching the original broadcast quality.
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^^
Kelson - Thanks for the helpful information! smile.gif
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So, what's this crap with commercials/ads popping up on the Premiere? I thought the first one was a fluke, but now I'm getting ABC commercials constantly. Is that part of the deal or is there a way to shut them off. Could be a new trend for the 21st century. Windows 8 is loaded with advertisements that you can't shut off. Doesn't seem right that when you buy a product, you get force fed unwanted crap.
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Occasionally there will be an advertising banner when you hit Pause, (hit down arrow to dismiss), there is also sometimes an advertising in the Discovery Bar along the top of TiVo Central. There is no way to turn them off, but they quickly become irrelevant after a short time, and you will never notice them, at least I don't.
There is a current SW bug where sometimes the Pause Banner add will not dismiss,

You are never forced to actually watch the Ad unless you click on them.

Currently the ads are Charmin, Bounty, and ABC Zero Hour.
TiVo Central > Showcases & Apps > Showcases - will show you all the current ads loaded by TiVo.
Edited by Bryan_CoxPHX - 2/3/13 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

So, what's this crap with commercials/ads popping up on the Premiere? I thought the first one was a fluke, but now I'm getting ABC commercials constantly. Is that part of the deal or is there a way to shut them off. Could be a new trend for the 21st century. Windows 8 is loaded with advertisements that you can't shut off. Doesn't seem right that when you buy a product, you get force fed unwanted crap.

Where are the ads on Windows 8? I'm running two machines with WIndows 8 Pro and two with Win8 Pro with Media Center and I don't recall ever seeing an ad. If they were there then I did not notice them.

The ones that are on my TiVos have never been in my face so teh only time I might even notice them is when I pause and something pops up. But I would need to select it to actually see the ad.
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W8 has all kinds of ads for xbox and a variety of TV shows. I don't run 8, yet, but recently set up a clients machine. Had to buy a retro program to get rid of the full screen apps and restore the start button feature. IMO...8 sucks.

After seeing that, and then the ads on TiVo, it just struck me the wrong way. I don't think it's right to pay for something that has built in ads. If ads are subsidizing the product, that subsidy should be passed on to the comsumer. Give us the box for free and I'll let you show ads. If I gotta pay for the box, keep your f*****g ads to yourself.
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You "might" be able to stop the recording of the Ads if you uncheck all the channels that download the TiVo Ads through "Teleworld Paid Program"
http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/teleworld-paid-program/EP00617254

For me it is usually Ion Network, TBS, and Discovery
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

W8 has all kinds of ads for xbox and a variety of TV shows. I don't run 8, yet, but recently set up a clients machine. Had to buy a retro program to get rid of the full screen apps and restore the start button feature. IMO...8 sucks.

After seeing that, and then the ads on TiVo, it just struck me the wrong way. I don't think it's right to pay for something that has built in ads. If ads are subsidizing the product, that subsidy should be passed on to the comsumer. Give us the box for free and I'll let you show ads. If I gotta pay for the box, keep your f*****g ads to yourself.

I've been looking all morning and I still have not noticed a single ad in Windows 8.
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I've been looking all morning and I still have not noticed a single ad in Windows 8.
The ads I've seen in Win8 are on the last page of the Bing 'Metro' apps-and I think they've dropped them from some apps. Try lauching the Bing Finance app and swiping/scrolling to the last page.
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

W8 has all kinds of ads for xbox and a variety of TV shows. I don't run 8, yet, but recently set up a clients machine. Had to buy a retro program to get rid of the full screen apps and restore the start button feature. IMO...8 sucks.

After seeing that, and then the ads on TiVo, it just struck me the wrong way. I don't think it's right to pay for something that has built in ads. If ads are subsidizing the product, that subsidy should be passed on to the comsumer. Give us the box for free and I'll let you show ads. If I gotta pay for the box, keep your f*****g ads to yourself.
Well saying there are adds in Win 8 is a little miss leading. The operating system is not delivering adds to your screen, the apps are and the apps with adds are nothing more than web pages in a specially formated full screen presentation. So unless you find adds on web pages unusually nothing new.

We live in a capitalist society and capitalism is all about selling something and to sell pretty much anything you have to market it which means advertisements anywhere and everywhere they can. I don't like adds any more than anyone else and I am sure people buying TiVos certainly have avoiding adds on there list of why they bought a TiVo, but the reality is the only thing you can do if you don't like it when a company uses a product to market other products is to not buy their product. Frankly I will take capitalism and advertising over communism and the Government deciding what is produced for me to buy any day.
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I've seen apps running commercials for TV shows, and other apps that are just ads. I didn't spend a lot of time with them.

But I agree with you. I'm all for capitalism and competition. All I need to know now is where can I get a comparable machine to a TiVo or an operating system comparable to MS? If you think we have a free market system, you're sadly mistaken.
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I love Windows 8 (after I installed the free ClassicShell) and have yet to see an ad in 3 months. We must be using very different tools in that environment if you're seeing commercials. I have to admit that if I found the OS starting to pop up ads on its own, I'd be just as pissed as you are. That is one reason I hate Gmail... it targets you with ads based on your browsing.

I hated the idea of adds in Tivo when they first arrived, but they are the most unobtrusive commercials you'll ever see. That is the way ads should be! I have to say that if that is what it takes to keep Tivo afloat - I'm all for them. .
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I've seen apps running commercials for TV shows, and other apps that are just ads. I didn't spend a lot of time with them.
I honestly haven't seen much of this but then I don't use allot of the native Win 8 apps, and use Firefox for my default browser.
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But I agree with you. I'm all for capitalism and competition. All I need to know now is where can I get a comparable machine to a TiVo or an operating system comparable to MS? If you think we have a free market system, you're sadly mistaken.
I agree from a consumer's point of view capitalism only works for us if there is adequate competition and to have and maintain competition in viable markets will ultimately require gov rules and enforcement. Your 2 examples are actually fairly interesting.

There certainly is a viable market (demand) for computer operating systems, we do have several choices, Apple's OS, Chrome, various flavors of Linux, and various flavors of Windows, but I agree Microsoft was allowed to do things that were way to anti-competitive the worst in my mind was making computer manufactures pay for windows license regardless if they put windows on the PC or not, but honestly after the DOS days the only alternative that might have competed with windows was IBM's OS 2. However that is all changing it is fairly clear that within a few years mobile and computer operating system will converge (win 8 is the beginning of that for Microsoft). Right now I would say it is clear there will be at least 3 players (Microsoft, Apple, & Google) plus there could be several others like Blackberry, Ubuntu, and Mozilla. As phones and tablets become more powerful there is going to be very little reason for many people to have a desktop computer, when you want to work at a desk with a large monitor, keyboard, and mouse we will be "docking" our phones and/or tablets and Microsoft will not own the operating system market anymore.

Now DVRs are somewhat different, I am not sure there really is a viable market for a Stand Alone DVR, part of this is attributed to the fact that the FCC has not forced the issue and forced all pay TV providers to come up with a good universal solution for decryption. At this time third party DVR providers are locked out of Satellite and AT&T U-verse systems and forced to use cable card and tuning adapters with cable, which has resulted in Stand Alone DVRs becoming a niche market that is so small we are lucky there is even one player left.
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I honestly haven't seen much of this but then I don't use allot of the native Win 8 apps, and use Firefox for my default browser.
I agree from a consumer's point of view capitalism only works for us if there is adequate competition and to have and maintain competition in viable markets will ultimately require gov rules and enforcement. Your 2 examples are actually fairly interesting.

Now DVRs are somewhat different, I am not sure there really is a viable market for a Stand Alone DVR, part of this is attributed to the fact that the FCC has not forced the issue and forced all pay TV providers to come up with a good universal solution for decryption. At this time third party DVR providers are locked out of Satellite and AT&T U-verse systems and forced to use cable card and tuning adapters with cable, which has resulted in Stand Alone DVRs becoming a niche market that is so small we are lucky there is even one player left.

Actually capitalism is the reason there is no DVR market. Capitalism is supply and demand and as there is no demand from the consumer for DVRs then there will be nobody supplying them. Sony tried in 2005 with the DHG but sold only a small amount and ended up fire selling the rest just to get rid of them.
I went with my friend yesterday to return something to Walmart and the guy behind us was returning a Tivo. I asked what was wrong with it and he said he thought that he could hook it up to his cable feed and get free tv. He didn't realize that he had to get a cablecard, then subscribe to the channels, and then pay a monthly or one time fee to Tivo. Since people like him are the major majority in this country, then there will be no DVR market.
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I asked what was wrong with it and he said he thought that he could hook it up to his cable feed and get free tv. He didn't realize that he had to get a cablecard, then subscribe to the channels, and then pay a monthly or one time fee to Tivo. Since people like him are the major majority in this country, then there will be no DVR market.
I saw that they don't mention those facts on walmart.com. The question has been asked on Walmart's TiVo page and answered, but nobody reads that. I wonder where the returns will end up?
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I saw that they don't mention those facts on walmart.com. The question has been asked on Walmart's TiVo page and answered, but nobody reads that. I wonder where the returns will end up?

I was wondering the same thing. Since the guy was behind us I don't know what he told the girl behind the counter as to why he was returning it. If this happens a lot then I would not be surprised that the Tivo will be no longer sold at Walmart especially in the poorer areas like ours. He also did mention that he had no internet access which he said it will cost more money. I don't think DVRs will become mainstream because there is to many services required to use it. People think these are like VCRs when they buy them but find out quickly that you can not plug them in and start using them. I wish I had a dollar for every person who bought something and never read the box or the manual, I would be a trillionare.
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I wish I had a dollar for every person who bought something and never read the box or the manual, I would be a trillionare.

If you need an investment partner, I'm in. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I was wondering the same thing. Since the guy was behind us I don't know what he told the girl behind the counter as to why he was returning it. If this happens a lot then I would not be surprised that the Tivo will be no longer sold at Walmart especially in the poorer areas like ours. He also did mention that he had no internet access which he said it will cost more money. I don't think DVRs will become mainstream because there is to many services required to use it. People think these are like VCRs when they buy them but find out quickly that you can not plug them in and start using them. I wish I had a dollar for every person who bought something and never read the box or the manual, I would be a trillionare.
I try to keep tabs on the price of the Magnavox SD DVDR series. If you enter "tivo" in the walmart.com search field it brings up the three TiVo units and the three Magnavox units. The Mag was first on the page until last week. It's a strange world.
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I don't think DVRs will become mainstream because there is to many services required to use it. People think these are like VCRs when they buy them but find out quickly that you can not plug them in and start using them.

Not all DVRs use the TiVo model; some of them do work like VCRs, so it isn't strictly true that DVRs require too many services to use them. They won't become mainstream because their many components are essentially as expensive to produce as computers, and people don't want to buy them at the price point companies would have to charge to turn a profit on the units themselves. TiVo bypasses that problem by making its money through subscription fees and advertising, but selling VCR-style DVRs would require the manufacturer to make its money during the initial sale of the hardware.
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Actually capitalism is the reason there is no DVR market. Capitalism is supply and demand and as there is no demand from the consumer for DVRs then there will be nobody supplying them. Sony tried in 2005 with the DHG but sold only a small amount and ended up fire selling the rest just to get rid of them.
I went with my friend yesterday to return something to Walmart and the guy behind us was returning a Tivo. I asked what was wrong with it and he said he thought that he could hook it up to his cable feed and get free tv. He didn't realize that he had to get a cablecard, then subscribe to the channels, and then pay a monthly or one time fee to Tivo. Since people like him are the major majority in this country, then there will be no DVR market.
Well kind of, there is actually a strong market for DVRs, about 40% of all households have a DVR that is over 40 million DVRs so pretty big and strong market. What there isn't a market for is a cable only DVR that requires you to also rent a cable card and use a tuning adapter and can take days to get setup. The bottom line is people want a DVR that is easy to setup like a cable or satellite DVR, plug the cable in and it works with a short setup, not one that requires you to jump through hoops like you have to with a stand alone (third party) DVRs. Price can also play into this but in my area TWC DVRs are not cheaper than TiVo but of course TWC does everything possible to make it difficult to use a Tivo..
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