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A lot of people in my system are mad at SECV becasue they made a lot of upgrades and just eliminated almost all the analog channels so now they want comcast to come here as they think that they would be a better deal. I have to start wearing depends as I pee my pants laughing every time I hear this as they do not know how expensive comcast is and how good we have it with SECV.
For some people the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank.
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Native Video Mode:

Overall, the native (checking all the boxes), seems to be working well on my set up. The handshake it does when switching resolutions is only about a second and a flash. About the same as Native on the Sony DVR. The nice part is that the TiVo major menus stay in HD.

I have already generated questions, lots of them. But it will take a while before I get around to asking them.

I also got a new computer and trying to figure out Windows 8...............I can't even set up the stupid Email.
post #2193 of 3305
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I also got a new computer and trying to figure out Windows 8...............I can't even set up the stupid Email.
Good luck. I'm fighting it. I bought a laptop several years ago when Vista came out. Last year I put Win 7 on it and it is just a backup and used when I want to test stuff. Just to get a desktop you need almost 2Gb of RAM. I stick with my Dell XP box that only does WMP and email. That, and it only needs 128Mb of RAM to start. I've been using Outlook since forever. It wasn't even called Outlook when I first started with it. Must say something about my personality. Guess that's why I still use my '95 Neon.

But speaking of the TiVo. I seem to have an issue with sporatic minor blocking errors. These might be an issue with the cable card or my cable company or the weather. Every so often I drop audio too, but nothing like the DHG dropouts. Since they are recorded (I can rev and see them again) I'm trying to see if there is a pattern.
post #2194 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post


But speaking of the TiVo. I seem to have an issue with sporatic minor blocking errors. These might be an issue with the cable card or my cable company or the weather. Every so often I drop audio too, but nothing like the DHG dropouts. Since they are recorded (I can rev and see them again) I'm trying to see if there is a pattern.

Joe what channels are you seeing this on becasue I have minor tearing in WYOU HD with an occasional dropout. This has been going on for a month or so. It is even happening on my Pace box so rest easy it is not your Tivo. This maybe even a source issue if you have the same problem with WYOU HD. Cablecards will not exhibit this type of issue.
post #2195 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

But speaking of the TiVo. I seem to have an issue with sporatic minor blocking errors. These might be an issue with the cable card or my cable company or the weather. Every so often I drop audio too, but nothing like the DHG dropouts. Since they are recorded (I can rev and see them again) I'm trying to see if there is a pattern.
Yes troubleshooting something like that can be very hard since by the time you see it, it's already too late. I was having a similar issue with one of my local OTA channels(CBS, the one I watch most). Anyway from the suggestion of someone at AVS(I think even this thread.....) I installed a attenuator(-10db fixed) and low and behold it cured 98% of my occasional dropouts. I tried a old variable attenuator but the pot was noisy and it caused more issues than nothing at all. Watching live news I was able to catch the problem in action and what I'd see(with both my Tivo tuner and Sony LCD tuner) was the signal go from it's normal 98% to 0 and dropout within a second, just as quick it would be back to 98%. With the attenuator I get 60+ most of the time and occasionally drops to the 30s but not low enough to lose the signal. I'm quite sure my issue is multipath but 99%+ of the time I have no issues so I don't feel like crawling in the attic through feet of insulation to move the antenna. It could also be cabling but unfortunately most all my cabling is now behind sheetrock(gyprock to you Canadians biggrin.gif) so replacing it would be very problematic.
Just saying you might want to try a small attenuator, I think -8db might be ideal for me, I tried a -20db but it stopped basically everything and my -4db didn't keep my signal from dropping out all the time.
post #2196 of 3305
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

For some people the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank.

I just came back from my local supermarket and there was three middle aged woman talking about organizing and having Service Electrics franchise agreements ended so they can get comcast in here. They are fed up with SECVs shinnanigans and it is time for them to go. I asked them what makes them think that comcast will even come here and they said we will force them if we have to. I just chuckled under my breath and then told them that my sister has comcast and she pays about $58 dollars/month more than I do and all their channels are digital. The one lady said that they will then get Verizon FIOS then. I politely said good luck. Talking about Delusions of Grandeur. Ignorance is Bliss.
I see amazon has a listing again for the 4 tuner premeir, it will be available in 1 to 3 weeks. I may bite the bullet early instead of waiting for TVGOS to end here. I willl see if the ETA changes in a week or two if not then I will get it directly from Tivo. I was hoping for an announcement regarding the replacement for the series 4 this spring but some say Tvio is quite slow one it comes to rolling out new hardware.
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

Joe what channels are you seeing this on becasue I have minor tearing in WYOU HD with an occasional dropout. This has been going on for a month or so. It is even happening on my Pace box so rest easy it is not your Tivo. This maybe even a source issue if you have the same problem with WYOU HD. Cablecards will not exhibit this type of issue.
I doubt it is the TiVo since I see it with the DHG also. Since you mention it, does seem to be a recent event. I can't recall seeing it on anything except CBS and NBC, the two 1080i channels. I never watch or record PBS (or QVC/HSN), but I should run a test.

Jjeff, as signal goes, I have two cable drops and one feeds only the TiVo and one feeds everything else, like my TV, Mag and DHG. It's possible that both have an issue and I can attenuate the tivo easily. I will try that too. It is very infrequent but once you see it it seems much worse. But, like I said, it's new like the crappy weather the last two weeks and it gets captured during a recording.
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

The one lady said that they will then get Verizon FIOS then. I politely said good luck. Talking about Delusions of Grandeur. Ignorance is Bliss.
Two years ago I saw them laying fiber along rt 54. When they hit Mt Carmel they made a left and headed up county towards Danville and Sunbury, not right into Mt Carmel. I don't think I will see fiber anytime soon.
post #2199 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I doubt it is the TiVo since I see it with the DHG also. Since you mention it, does seem to be a recent event. I can't recall seeing it on anything except CBS and NBC, the two 1080i channels. I never watch or record PBS (or QVC/HSN), but I should run a test.

Jjeff, as signal goes, I have two cable drops and one feeds only the TiVo and one feeds everything else, like my TV, Mag and DHG. It's possible that both have an issue and I can attenuate the tivo easily. I will try that too. It is very infrequent but once you see it it seems much worse. But, like I said, it's new like the crappy weather the last two weeks and it gets captured during a recording.

If you can Joe record NCIS on tuesday if it is on and tell me if you see anything there. I see this on the good wife on sunday and NCIS on tuesday. I do not watch any other network shows. I watch a lot of series on the premium channels and there is no issues there. I think this is a system wide issue but it is not related to the signal coming to our homes but it maybe the signal coming to them. They still can't figure out why TNT HD is slightly to the left. I was surprised that they are still looking into it. They may think its coming to them from the source.
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

If you can Joe record NCIS on tuesday if it is on and tell me if you see anything there. I see this on the good wife on sunday and NCIS on tuesday. I do not watch any other network shows. I watch a lot of series on the premium channels and there is no issues there. I think this is a system wide issue but it is not related to the signal coming to our homes but it maybe the signal coming to them. They still can't figure out why TNT HD is slightly to the left. I was surprised that they are still looking into it. They may think its coming to them from the source.
Interesting. Every night I record Leno and Fallon on the TiVo and Letterman on the DHG. All three shows have the problem. I record TNT on the Mag and have never seen it there. But lately I have no TNT shows to record, only FX. I'll have to look at that.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Two years ago I saw them laying fiber along rt 54. When they hit Mt Carmel they made a left and headed up county towards Danville and Sunbury, not right into Mt Carmel. I don't think I will see fiber anytime soon.

That is not for FIOS Joe as we are not never getting it here. Verizon is getting out of the land line business and is going all wireless. They already sold off their land line business in 9 states, including FIOS in some places. They are finishing installing FIOS where they are contractually obligated to do so. They have been looking for a buyer in PA but the economy is still to bad for any takers.
post #2202 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Interesting. Every night I record Leno and Fallon on the TiVo and Letterman on the DHG. All three shows have the problem. I record TNT on the Mag and have never seen it there. But lately I have no TNT shows to record, only FX. I'll have to look at that.

Keep me posted Joe and if you see little tears in the picture then that is the problem I am seeing here. Since we are in two different headends the problem is where they are receiving the signals at. They maybe getting the signals from the Wilkes Barre headend which has fiber feeds coming right from the stations.
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I may have misread the specs on the premiere, but I thought it said that it only has a 30 minute auto record...but I've noticed twice so far, that when I went to the Tivo and saw a movie that I wanted to watch the end of and hit record, it recorded the previous HOUR. So what is it? An hour of auto record like the DHG or a half an hour? Or is it half an hour normally and an hour when you go to record.

I just noticed this and will play with it tomorrow, but I just thought I'd put it out here to see what the pros have to say.
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There are so many Bugs in the current SW release, one negatively effects how the buffer works. But generally the buffer is 30 minutes, that you can rewind Live TV. However when you press record it can capture about 45 minutes to 1 hour, back in the currently tuned program.

Current buffer bugs:
In the past, (prior to the Fall SW Update), if you were watching Live TV but rewound in the buffer, Even if all tuners started recordings, the buffer would be retained, and you could still finish the program you were chasing playback with from the buffer. Now that buffer gets dumped when a recording starts.

Now even if you record a program, but are watching it in the buffer at the end of the programs time-slot, it dumps you to Live TV, even when nothing else is recording. To finish you must go to My Shows and fast forward to where you left off.

And if you are trying to watch two recordings back to back, on the same tuner, but in the buffer you can't, the buffer will not transition to the next show on the same tuner.

Hopefully these are bugs and not an intended new behavior.

Thinking more about the current behavior of the buffer, it may have been a change needed to support the Tuner dedication for the upcoming TiVo Mini. (available only on 4 Tuner Premieres though, at least at for now)

Edited by Bryan_CoxPHX - 2/10/13 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by linkstur View Post

I may have misread the specs on the premiere, but I thought it said that it only has a 30 minute auto record...but I've noticed twice so far, that when I went to the Tivo and saw a movie that I wanted to watch the end of and hit record, it recorded the previous HOUR. So what is it? An hour of auto record like the DHG or a half an hour? Or is it half an hour normally and an hour when you go to record.

I just noticed this and will play with it tomorrow, but I just thought I'd put it out here to see what the pros have to say.
The highlighted part, you can ff and rew the last half hour but if you push REC at can be more. From what I've read how much more past a 1/2 hr depends on the file size. If recording something like a full bandwidth CBS channel you might not get much more than a half hour, if recording SD or even a bitstarved ABC HD channel you may get closer to a hour.
I sometimes use this quirk if I've tuned into a show more than 1/2 hr late and want to try and catch as much of the beginning as I can, I push REC and I'm then able to scan back further smile.gif
I think BFDTV covered this phenomenon is either this or the Tivo HD OP.
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Life with TiVo

Still learning and much more to learn.

I do not like that TiVo has not come close to finishing the “programming” of the product, the switching from HD menus to 1812 SD menus is a joke; that equals an unfinished product. That makes it difficult to seamlessly run the product.

The whole concept of “wishlists” is very weak – one part is not integrating into the full system (the HD vs. SD part). And there is no “real” “stored” “title” “keyword” search for programs that lets you search for a given show that instantly reveals conflict and lets you resolve them right there “one” the screen, with the added ability to adjust both beginning and ending of shows with plus or minus as required. I will miss the super-fast “keyword” system of the Sony, so simple and so elegant.

I do really like the season pass. I think I have figured out the method of adjusting season pass on “sports days” for The Mentalist. So the Sunday version at 9PM I have added 1.5 hours to the end of the season pass for that show. Just hope it works as I think it will? That way, I think, since I want the shows from 7PM to 10PM recorded on CBS, I have added 1.5 hours to the last show in the string of 3 shows all recorded via season pass. Guess time will tell if that really works or not.

This mornings events:

Ok I get up about 1 hour before wife and get to play with TiVo. So I try the AOL thingy. Lots of 1min to 15min clips of various subjects. It’s pretty cool because there are short clips, and cover the subjects well enough; like the primer on CVTs or why one Prius is better than another Prius etc. One of the longer ones was on “Ice Racing” on frozen lakes/rivers, in New York I think? Two new AWD Infinity’s with all-season tires, honestly that was pretty cool. There was another detailed video on why Egypt is fixing to collapse etc.

Anyway after watching about 25 clips the TiVo froze up. Naturally I hit a few buttons and no response (just like the Sony you should just leave it alone). So I switched to TV. In a couple of minutes I came back to TiVo and the box is back to the “Welcome-wait a few minutes” – Oh just great, then it begins a reboot yada yada yada. Oh “No” another 1.5 hour wait. Well fortunately it straightened itself out in about 4 minutes and all is good. I did have to watch the stupid TiVo cartoon again while it was rebooting.

The AOL picture quality is Ok. The native mode (all boxes checked) so far is still working for me. The AOL comes in at 720p (the plasma converts up from that). The actual videos from AOL varied from 200i, 480i, and some may have been real 720p; but most were most likely in the 480 range even though they were sent to me at 720p. For short info clips that works ok for me.

Windows 8: Yes I am still trying to set up email. Ok you “have” to set up a Microsoft email account in order to use their email client shell, this so they can spy on you. But for two days now their Hotmail service has been – “not working” soooooooooooooo no new email accounts. $$##xxbeanbag
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Oh yes and speaking of Bugs:

The inside front cover of the manual says that shows to be recorded will be marked with “red” check marks and shows to be downloaded will be “blue” check marks.

So far 100% of my shows to be “recorded” are marked with “blue” check marks. I have not seen a “red” check mark yet?

Lots of little things like that in the book that does not match what I see on the TiVo screen. Perhaps a miss-print or a software change I do not know about?
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Life with TiVo

Still learning and much more to learn.

I do really like the season pass. I think I have figured out the method of adjusting season pass on “sports days” for The Mentalist. So the Sunday version at 9PM I have added 1.5 hours to the end of the season pass for that show. Just hope it works as I think it will? That way, I think, since I want the shows from 7PM to 10PM recorded on CBS, I have added 1.5 hours to the last show in the string of 3 shows all recorded via season pass. Guess time will tell if that really works or not.
Works fine. I do miss the start delay for Jay Leno. I have learned to ignore the deletion dots. They don't agree with the Desktop software and the "delete on" date keeps moving. I have 120% of my local storage in my To Do List also. No problems even though it doesn't like The Daily Show (but it works 90% of the time). Check the History every so often. It's fun.

The documentation is slightly behind the product and the updates.
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Life with TiVo

Windows 8: Yes I am still trying to set up email. Ok you “have” to set up a Microsoft email account in order to use their email client shell, this so they can spy on you. But for two days now their Hotmail service has been – “not working” soooooooooooooo no new email accounts. $$##xxbeanbag

Not an expert, but when trying to set up the embedded e-mail in W8, it turns out that it is not compatable with POP3 e-mail...which happens to be the most common type of mail...ie...if you have a Verizon or Comcast account. Outlook was not a problem, but I wouldn't hold much hope for W8 resident e-mail client.
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Not an expert, but when trying to set up the embedded e-mail in W8, it turns out that it is not compatable with POP3 e-mail...which happens to be the most common type of mail...ie...if you have a Verizon or Comcast account. Outlook was not a problem, but I wouldn't hold much hope for W8 resident e-mail client.

Yep just discovered that, the POP3 either does not work or very lame. The att.net buried in the yahoo.com and Microsoft's stupid Win 8 host master cloud Hotmail control is monster poop. Already worked on it enough today. Tomorrow I will try the Outlook Win 8, which I guess also now in the clouds. Outlook may now be just a fat Hotmail, both cloud based. I don't know?

My wife has informed I am foaming at the mouth and it is time for my rabies shot again. Sorry guys, I know way off topic. Its just that you spend big bucks for computer and the email cloud client is junk.

Back to TiVo, got about 40 hours to watch already LOL
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Yep just discovered that, the POP3 either does not work or very lame. The att.net buried in the yahoo.com and Microsoft's stupid Win 8 host master cloud Hotmail control is monster poop. Already worked on it enough today. Tomorrow I will try the Outlook Win 8, which I guess also now in the clouds. Outlook may now be just a fat Hotmail, both cloud based. I don't know?

My wife has informed I am foaming at the mouth and it is time for my rabies shot again. Sorry guys, I know way off topic. Its just that you spend big bucks for computer and the email cloud client is junk.

Back to TiVo, got about 40 hours to watch already LOL
If you actually have a POP3 email account why are you trying to mess with Microsoft's email program? Just download a good email client like Thunderbird and be done with it.
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Yep just discovered that, the POP3 either does not work or very lame. The att.net buried in the yahoo.com and Microsoft's stupid Win 8 host master cloud Hotmail control is monster poop. Already worked on it enough today. Tomorrow I will try the Outlook Win 8, which I guess also now in the clouds. Outlook may now be just a fat Hotmail, both cloud based. I don't know?

My wife has informed I am foaming at the mouth and it is time for my rabies shot again. Sorry guys, I know way off topic. Its just that you spend big bucks for computer and the email cloud client is junk.

Back to TiVo, got about 40 hours to watch already LOL

If you were accustomed to using outlook express email you could download and try windows live mail it is a free add on from Microsoft. It is part of Windows Essentials. I think you can use it with Windows 8.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-live/essentials-other-programs
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Just use Outlook. I use Outlook with Windows 8 and I have at least sixty POP3 accounts I access through Outlook. They work without any issues.
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

I did have to watch the stupid TiVo cartoon again while it was rebooting.
Press the Tivo button when you see the cartoon start and you can go right into My Shows, no need to watch it.
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Thanks guys for all the good postings on the email

Currently the email in the Win 8 is now working I think? Currently have Win 7 and vista computers emailing to the new Win 8 computer (back and forth).

If it fails in the next day or two, I will be switching to the Win 8 Outlook OR the thunderbird. I have to go slow………..I always break 5 things to get one thing fixed.

Overall the Outlook might just be the most stable route to go, time will tell.


Thanks for the TiVo button to kill the cartoon!
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Thanks guys for all the good postings on the email

Currently the email in the Win 8 is now working I think? Currently have Win 7 and vista computers emailing to the new Win 8 computer (back and forth).

If it fails in the next day or two, I will be switching to the Win 8 Outlook OR the thunderbird. I have to go slow………..I always break 5 things to get one thing fixed.

Overall the Outlook might just be the most stable route to go, time will tell.

Thanks for the TiVo button to kill the cartoon!
An email program is like buying a new DVR. I use Outlook 2010 with two POP3 accounts from my two ISP accounts. I highly recommend a gmail account. I found it best to handle spam and it forwards easily. There are other "free" email clients, so look around. I don't know how many became dead with Win8. Almost everything I do on the internet sends to gmail. I can access it on any platform even though it complains about my IE8 access. When MS decides to support IE9 on XP I will switch. Good luck.
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Ok, back to the TiVo questions:

1. I am watching a recorded show and decide I do not want it. What is the fastest way to delete it? I have a feeling; I have to hit way too many buttons to delete the program. For example on the Sony you just hit "stop" and all the appropriate questions popped up; one of them being "delete".

2. My wife has the hots for Justin Timberlake and wants to watch him on the Grammy’s over and over. Is there a bookmark for instant access?

3. TiVo suggestions (the extra recordings it makes), is there a way to “tone it down” so it is not recording dozens of bad shows? Can it be completly turned “off”?
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Ok, back to the TiVo questions:

1. I am watching a recorded show and decide I do not want it. What is the fastest way to delete it? I have a feeling; I have to hit way too many buttons to delete the program. For example on the Sony you just hit "stop" and all the appropriate questions popped up; one of them being "delete".

2. My wife has the hots for Justin Timberlake and wants to watch him on the Grammy’s over and over. Is there a bookmark for instant access?

3. TiVo suggestions (the extra recordings it makes), is there a way to “tone it down” so it is not recording dozens of bad shows? Can it be completly turned “off”?
3. Tone down: hit thumbs down when you see a thumbs up. Kill: Settings, Recording, TiVo Suggestions, select NO.
post #2219 of 3305
1. Just push the back arrow and then the clear key. Two keystrokes.
2. No bookmarks but Tivo will resume where you last left off so just leave it at the beginning of his part and thats where it will resume.
3. Joe answered for you
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Thread rolled back to the most recent on-topic post.

It's a TiVo thread, guys. Not a Windows thread. Stay on topic.
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