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post #2221 of 3305
Next TiVo question:

How do you just "stop" watching a recording, without a "stop" button? That is to stop and exit, not just "pause".
post #2222 of 3305
Either use the "Live TV" button or the Left button on the ring....
post #2223 of 3305
My TiVo has been infected. There's now an option for Web Video Lauchpad. Any way to hide it?
post #2224 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

My TiVo has been infected. There's now an option for Web Video Lauchpad. Any way to hide it?

No way to hide it that I can see, It is not in the Video Providers list.

Give Flingo a try, it's pretty cool.
post #2225 of 3305
FWIW

I killed the TiVo “Remote Interface” to iPad. The link was causing problems with our Network. Too many open ports. Win 8, Network, and TiVo do not get along well together. Just too many problems with Security.
post #2226 of 3305
This must be a small user base, but if you are using the Desktop program to transfer shows to your PC, it stopped working on Friday. If you really want to offload that show, set your computer's date to 2/13 and repeat the transfer. A "Valentines Day" bug?
post #2227 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

This must be a small user base, but if you are using the Desktop program to transfer shows to your PC, it stopped working on Friday. If you really want to offload that show, set your computer's date to 2/13 and repeat the transfer. A "Valentines Day" bug?

It doesn't work at all past that date? I'llneed to turn on my TiVo Desktop PC and check it out.

EDIT: I just checked my TiVo Desktop machine. It is having issues transferring into the TiVo Desktop machine but can still transfer out to the TiVos.

AT the TiVo Community forum they say that the problem is that expired cookies are being sent out which is causing the problem. I still need to read more about it to see if there is a solution other than rolling back the date.
Edited by aaronwt - 2/16/13 at 3:58pm
post #2228 of 3305
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

It doesn't work at all past that date? I'll need to turn on my TiVo Desktop PC and check it out.
The problem is that the Tivo is sending an expired cookie, so the web browser won't send it back.

To be specific:

Server: tivo-httpd-1:11.0k-01-2:652
Set-Cookie: sid=; path=/; expires="Saturday, 16-Feb-2013 00:00:00 GMT";

It seems to send that expiry date no matter what.


That's from the TiVo web site. Looks like it stopped yesterday. It affects all series (except 1). At least there is a work around. I wonder how long that code has been waiting to activate.

It does bother me that TiVo support wanted a screen shot of the error.

http://forums.tivo.com/pe/action/forums/displaythread?rootPostID=11070121&channelID=10&portalPageId=10432560
post #2229 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

This must be a small user base, but if you are using the Desktop program to transfer shows to your PC, it stopped working on Friday. If you really want to offload that show, set your computer's date to 2/13 and repeat the transfer. A "Valentines Day" bug?
Thank you Joe.

I thought I was going nuts and wondering what I did to the system. I just spent a couple hours trying to track it down on my PC's. I just logged in here to ask if anyone else has seen a problem or if TiVo sent out a recent update -- and there you were.

So anyway: TiVo desktop will not transfer anything to the PC no matter how you tweak it's settings and it's not a Windows Firewall issue.

The same goes for kmttg -- any TiVo --> PC transfer fails, UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE TRANSFER PROTOCOL FROM PERL TO JAVA. That seems to do the trick and I'm transferring shows right now as I type.
post #2230 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The problem is that the Tivo is sending an expired cookie, so the web browser won't send it back.

To be specific:

Server: tivo-httpd-1:11.0k-01-2:652
Set-Cookie: sid=; path=/; expires="Saturday, 16-Feb-2013 00:00:00 GMT";

It seems to send that expiry date no matter what.


That's from the TiVo web site. Looks like it stopped yesterday. It affects all series (except 1). At least there is a work around. I wonder how long that code has been waiting to activate.
This is bizarre. I tried the thing with setting back the date and sure enough TiVo Desktop worked. I wonder how long it will take them to fix this one. This is not just for the Premier. My TiVo HD (series 3) is having the problem.
post #2231 of 3305
Transfers via kmttg were also failing, but a new version of kmttg the next day apparently included a workaround for the bad cookies. I haven't installed it myself yet.

The TiVo Transfer application that comes with Roxio Toast for Mac OS still works. I'm using it right now, in fact, until I get a chance to install the lateset kmttg.
post #2232 of 3305
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Originally Posted by jtbell View Post

Transfers via kmttg were also failing, but a new version of kmttg the next day apparently included a workaround for the bad cookies. I haven't installed it myself yet.

The TiVo Transfer application that comes with Roxio Toast for Mac OS still works. I'm using it right now, in fact, until I get a chance to install the lateset kmttg.
I was using kmttg_v0p9k, which I found worked fine when you changed the transport protocol to JAVA. I saw your tip and downloaded/installed kmttg_v0p9l. It works just fine like it used to using perl and not having to switch to JAVA. TiVo desktop, of course, is still down.
post #2233 of 3305
It looks like someone found another workaround for this also. Involves editing one line in the "Curl.conf" file.
post #2234 of 3305
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

It looks like someone found another workaround for this also. Involves editing one line in the "Curl.conf" file.
Works perfectly. So the simple fix will be a small update to TiVo Desktop software.
post #2235 of 3305
We use our Tivos for our main music sources and enjoy Pandora and the Tivos a lot. Although I consider the audio quality to be decent, it still can't touch the quality of the Pioneer Elite CD player. Since I'm always on a quest to improve SQ, is there anything I can put between the Tivo that will improve sound to that of the CD player?
post #2236 of 3305
Some receivers have the capability to improve the sound of compressed audio sources like Pandora. My Denon receiver has the feature. But it can only do so much.
post #2237 of 3305
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Originally Posted by CleatusCat View Post

We use our Tivos for our main music sources and enjoy Pandora and the Tivos a lot. Although I consider the audio quality to be decent, it still can't touch the quality of the Pioneer Elite CD player. Since I'm always on a quest to improve SQ, is there anything I can put between the Tivo that will improve sound to that of the CD player?
My TiVo and my Sony BDP-S570 both feed my AVR, a Yamaha RX-V867. I use Pandora almost daily. The sampling rate is identical (48kHz) and both have a buffer for the Pandora data. The buffer is nice since there is less impact on my internet use. Both are wireless also. There is no detectable difference between the BD player and the TiVo to my ears. Of course, how it sounds to you is most important.

My TV and AVR can also access Pandora and the sound is good but they stream rather than buffer. Pandora is stereo so I tend to use a lot of DSP on the content.
post #2238 of 3305
Thanks for the comments. I think I see the problem now. The CD player is connected to the receiver, while the Tivos are both connected directly to their TVs, using the TVs to output the audio signal to the receivers. Does that mean the receiver isn't doing any of the DAC work?

EDIT; I had HDMI switching issues with the Pioneer when I first got it and just went around the whole thing with an optical out from the TV. The Pioneer is now on a different TV, so perhaps I can give it a try again. Maybe see if there is a firmware update.
Edited by CleatusCat - 2/18/13 at 1:33am
post #2239 of 3305
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Originally Posted by CleatusCat View Post

I think I see the problem now. The CD player is connected to the receiver, while the Tivos are both connected directly to their TVs, using the TVs to output the audio signal to the receivers. Does that mean the receiver isn't doing any of the DAC work?
I have my TiVo connected to my HDTV via HDMI and the digital optical out of the TiVo connected to my AVR to give me the best of both worlds. That way we can play the TiVo through the TV speakers for normal viewing or send the audio to the AVR when we want surround or music. This way the TiVo passes the digital signal directly to the AVR and lets the AVR do all the work.
post #2240 of 3305
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I have my TiVo connected to my HDTV via HDMI and the digital optical out of the TiVo connected to my AVR to give me the best of both worlds. That way we can play the TiVo through the TV speakers for normal viewing or send the audio to the AVR when we want surround or music. This way the TiVo passes the digital signal directly to the AVR and lets the AVR do all the work.

Although you can't get DD+ from Netflix over the optical output. Also if you had a receiver with HDMI pass through you could use HDMi to the receiver and then HDMI from the receiver to the TV. Then when the receiver is off it would still pass the audio/video to the TV over HDMI from the TiVo.
post #2241 of 3305
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I have my TiVo connected to my HDTV via HDMI and the digital optical out of the TiVo connected to my AVR to give me the best of both worlds. That way we can play the TiVo through the TV speakers for normal viewing or send the audio to the AVR when we want surround or music. This way the TiVo passes the digital signal directly to the AVR and lets the AVR do all the work.

Another way to go is to use redundant a/v connections from the TiVo to the TV and AVR as follows:

TiVo ==> HDMI ==> AVR ==> HDMI ==> TV

TiVo ==> Component A/V ==> TV

I use this set-up and like the flexibility it offers, especially when I want to watch a video signal from the TiVo while listening to a different audio source on the AVR.
post #2242 of 3305
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Originally Posted by chi_guy50 View Post

Another way to go is to use redundant a/v connections from the TiVo to the TV and AVR as follows:

TiVo ==> HDMI ==> AVR ==> HDMI ==> TV

TiVo ==> Component A/V ==> TV

I use this set-up and like the flexibility it offers, especially when I want to watch a video signal from the TiVo while listening to a different audio source on the AVR.
I guess I don't particularly see any advantage to that setup -- I don't see that I have any less flexibility with mine. An optical cable is a lot thinner than a 5-connector component/audio cable bundle and I like staying all-digital -- I have no analog connections except for the Wii. I have no problem watching the TiVo through the HDMI direct to the HDTV while separately setting the AVR to any source input I wanted. We've done that on occasion for football games where we mute the network sound and tune the local game broadcast over the radio -- the synch is a little off but the announcer chatter is "better".
post #2243 of 3305
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I guess I don't particularly see any advantage to that setup -- I don't see that I have any less flexibility with mine. An optical cable is a lot thinner than a 5-connector component/audio cable bundle and I like staying all-digital -- I have no analog connections except for the Wii. I have no problem watching the TiVo through the HDMI direct to the HDTV while separately setting the AVR to any source input I wanted. We've done that on occasion for football games where we mute the network sound and tune the local game broadcast over the radio -- the synch is a little off but the announcer chatter is "better".

By using an optical cable you can only use legacy audio codecs. The codecs that were used back in the 90's. To use the DD+, which is a modern codec you need to use HDMI. Although Netflix is the only app that I'm aware of on the S4 boxes that ouput DD+.
And as I mentioned before, if your components handle HDMI passthorugh, then you can still have the receiver off and use the TV speakers.

Personally I used optical from 1994 and 2005. But in 2005 I started using HDMI with my devices.. Much easier to have one cable for audio and video than having multiple cables. Now I use HDMI for everything. And it will be even better once more devices start using Ethernet over HDMI which will eliminate another cable needed to a device.
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I see Netflix just announced 1080p streaming. But I do not think the TiVo Premier will support it?

Does anyone know if TiVo will allow the 1080p from Netflix? Or when they might as an upgrade patch?

I am paying big bucks for 20 speed internet, but have not been impressed so far with the TiVo streaming ability. It has been sort of lame so far.
post #2245 of 3305
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

I see Netflix just announced 1080p streaming. But I do not think the TiVo Premier will support it?

Does anyone know if TiVo will allow the 1080p from Netflix? Or when they might as an upgrade patch?

I am paying big bucks for 20 speed internet, but have not been impressed so far with the TiVo streaming ability. It has been sort of lame so far.

Netflix has had 1080P streaming for a while now. The TiVo Premiere has supported it and still supports it. What is new is higher 1080P encodes which they call SuperHD. It is just a better quality 1080P encode. And the Premiere supports that too as well as 5.1 DD+ output from Netflix.

I'm on FiOS. Using UnBlock US, I have access to the SuperHD encodes from all my Premiere boxes with the Netflix application. Without using the UnBlock US DNS servers I still have access to the Netflix 1080P encodes, but not the higher bitrate ones they label as SuperHD.
post #2246 of 3305
^^
Does your 1080 Flat Panel HDTV ever display an interlaced image?
post #2247 of 3305
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I guess I don't particularly see any advantage to that setup -- I don't see that I have any less flexibility with mine. An optical cable is a lot thinner than a 5-connector component/audio cable bundle and I like staying all-digital -- I have no analog connections except for the Wii. I have no problem watching the TiVo through the HDMI direct to the HDTV while separately setting the AVR to any source input I wanted. We've done that on occasion for football games where we mute the network sound and tune the local game broadcast over the radio -- the synch is a little off but the announcer chatter is "better".

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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

By using an optical cable you can only use legacy audio codecs. The codecs that were used back in the 90's. To use the DD+, which is a modern codec you need to use HDMI. Although Netflix is the only app that I'm aware of on the S4 boxes that ouput DD+.
And as I mentioned before, if your components handle HDMI passthorugh, then you can still have the receiver off and use the TV speakers.

Personally I used optical from 1994 and 2005. But in 2005 I started using HDMI with my devices.. Much easier to have one cable for audio and video than having multiple cables. Now I use HDMI for everything. And it will be even better once more devices start using Ethernet over HDMI which will eliminate another cable needed to a device.

+1. I will always use HDMI when possible.

With HDMI through-connections, my Denon AVR-3311 will pass the a/v signal from my TiVo Premiere XL4 to my Sony KDL-46XBR5, even when the AVR is off.

I almost never use the TV's speakers, but I will occasionally want to check on a video source while listening to a music source. In that case I only have to select the alternate input on the TV.

And, not incidentally, my set-up allows me to see the AVR's GUI on the TV while still retaining the redundant TiVo connectivity. Plus, since the KDL-46XBR5 has variable-sized "Picture & Picture" I have the ability to put up the AVR's GUI side-by-side with another video source--whether the TiVo or the TV's internal tuner (all my other external sources are connected via the AVR).
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

By using an optical cable you can only use legacy audio codecs. . . To use the DD+, which is a modern codec you need to use HDMI. Although Netflix is the only app that I'm aware of on the S4 boxes that ouput DD+.
And as I mentioned before, if your components handle HDMI passthorugh, then you can still have the receiver off and use the TV speakers.
Granted, you may need HDMI for DD+, but that is not an issue for me. OTA audio is all AC3 DD/5.1. Obviously, all setups are situational so there may be better ways for a particular individual but no universal "best way".

In my case, my AVR does not pass through when off, I don't stream Netflix and if I did I would use my media streamer (which is connected to the AVR by HDMI) to do so not my TiVo. I too prefer HDMI and all my components are connected to the AVR in that way, except the TiVo. If my AVR had HDMI pass-through for the TiVo when it was off then I would certainly connect the TiVo through the AVR via HDMI.
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I have two Premieres, and I've got to say they are total junk compared to my old Fios DVR (motorola I think). The interfaces are incredibly slow, they're buggy, streaming from one to another only works occasionally, and they consume a ton of power. If there were no ETF involved, I'd cancel my service tomorrow.

As soon as my service is up, I'm just going to ditch cable all together, too much money for basically zero content that I can't access elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Bigchingan View Post

I have two Premieres, and I've got to say they are total junk compared to my old Fios DVR (motorola I think). The interfaces are incredibly slow, they're buggy, streaming from one to another only works occasionally, and they consume a ton of power. If there were no ETF involved, I'd cancel my service tomorrow.

As soon as my service is up, I'm just going to ditch cable all together, too much money for basically zero content that I can't access elsewhere.

Glad you got that off your chest . . . rolleyes.gif
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