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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

WTF???

The sound is fine. The video (behind the stinkin' banner) is fine.
WHY IS THIS BANNER HERE?

WHY WON'T IT GO AWAY?
Cosmic rays. Pull the plug.
post #2342 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

WTF???

The sound is fine. The video (behind the stinkin' banner) is fine.
WHY IS THIS BANNER HERE?
WHY WON'T IT GO AWAY?

I have seen that occasionally, recently, change channels briefly, and or reboot. If you go to the DVR Diagnostics, you will probably see high RS Corrected and RS Uncorrected values for that channel.
post #2343 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Michael1138 View Post

Also, is there anyway to subscribe to a particular feed? The YouTube Leanback help page says you can login to subscribe to feeds and change default resolution settings, but I didn't see a way to do that on the TiVo.

Well, this was staring me right in the face.redface.gif I didn't look around the interface enough, as I finally noticed the My YouTube entry has a Sign In page. I haven't tried it yet, though, as I haven't created a Google account for YouTube access.
post #2344 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Michael1138 View Post

Well, this was staring me right in the face.redface.gif I didn't look around the interface enough, as I finally noticed the My YouTube entry has a Sign In page. I haven't tried it yet, though, as I haven't created a Google account for YouTube access.

I had tried that a week or two ago, without much success. I was trying to create a wishlist search to subscribe to a YouTube "news feed". Let us know if you can make it work.
post #2345 of 3301
There are certain youtube feeds that you can subscribe to and they work well. I love this Canadian show called Just for Laughs and whenever they post a new clip, it downloads automatically into my recorded shows list.
post #2346 of 3301
If anybody needs it, there is now a TiVo supplied fix/patch for the Desktop program:
http://forums.tivo.com/pe/action/forums/displaythread?rootPostID=11083921&channelID=10&portalPageId=10432560

Screen shots of it working are not required this time.
post #2347 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

If anybody needs it, there is now a TiVo supplied fix/patch for the Desktop program:
http://forums.tivo.com/pe/action/forums/displaythread?rootPostID=11083921&channelID=10&portalPageId=10432560

Screen shots of it working are not required this time.

Thanks. I guess I'll need to upgrade to 2.8.3 now since the patch only works with that version.
post #2348 of 3301
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Thanks. I guess I'll need to upgrade to 2.8.3 now since the patch only works with that version.
I modified the curl.conf file and that's good enough for me.
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Hi, I've had a tivo premier since last summer, and the last couple of days I've noticed an oddity: although the grid guide display has the times right for programs tomorrow (Sunday) and later, all the programs I've scheduled to record Sunday and later have their times an hour off, presumably because of the time change.

I'm hoping this problem clears up tomorrow, when the time has actually changed, because I'd hate to have to start setting manual recordings...

It's very strange that the grid display is right, and the list of recording I have set is wrong...

Tony
post #2350 of 3301
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

Hi, I've had a tivo premier since last summer, and the last couple of days I've noticed an oddity: although the grid guide display has the times right for programs tomorrow (Sunday) and later, all the programs I've scheduled to record Sunday and later have their times an hour off, presumably because of the time change.

I'm hoping this problem clears up tomorrow, when the time has actually changed, because I'd hate to have to start setting manual recordings...

It's very strange that the grid display is right, and the list of recording I have set is wrong...

Tony
Well, check back tomorrow and let us know how things look. You may also notice that the guide doesn't display anything for 2am Sunday.
post #2351 of 3301
I discovered a TiVo quirk yesterday evening. There's probably a way to avoid (or work around) it, but it hit me by surprise and I didn't have much time to think of a solution.

We were watching "Undercover Boss" live but about 6 or 7 minutes behind, using Chase Play. The TiVo was not set to record that show, we were just watching the "buffer". At 8pm (Central time) we got the quick blanking of the screen as "Golden Boy" (which was scheduled on Season Pass) started to record and then went "live" on the TV screen. Still having 6 or 7 minutes left to watch of Undercover Boss, I thought I could back-up the buffer and catch its final minutes. Apparently not, the buffer seemed to be gone. eek.gif Solutions anyone? confused.gif
post #2352 of 3301
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

It's very strange that the grid display is right, and the list of recording I have set is wrong...

Tony

I see what you mean. On the To Do List everything is off by one hour although the guide looks fine.
post #2353 of 3301
Unfortunately thats how it works when you have things scheduled on both tuners. If you had had an open tuner Tivo should have used that tuner and left your buffer alone. In the future if you know both tuners will be being used you could have pushed REC on the program you were watching which would have put it in your now playing list smile.gif

.....speaking of quirks......I was logged out when I read WS65711's post so I clicked quote to his post which prompted me to sign in, after I did I got the reply box to which I typed my above quote.....unfortunately while my text went through the quote did not frown.gif personally not a big fan of our new platform but I guess we get what we get frown.gif
post #2354 of 3301
Actually the only scheduled recording was "Golden Boy" at 8pm Central. And both the show I was "Chase Playing" and the Golden Boy scheduled recording are on CBS (same channel). Maybe the show I was chasing was still in the buffer if I had pressed "Live TV" or "Enter" to jump channels? I'm not sure, because I wasn't thinking that quickly.... smile.gif

That brings up another question. I used to think I had "Live TV" and "Enter" figured out. But I dunno if maybe they've changed something with the last update? I never seem to know what those buttons are going to do anymore . . . confused.gif
post #2355 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I discovered a TiVo quirk yesterday evening. There's probably a way to avoid (or work around) it, but it hit me by surprise and I didn't have much time to think of a solution.

We were watching "Undercover Boss" live but about 6 or 7 minutes behind, using Chase Play. The TiVo was not set to record that show, we were just watching the "buffer". At 8pm (Central time) we got the quick blanking of the screen as "Golden Boy" (which was scheduled on Season Pass) started to record and then went "live" on the TV screen. Still having 6 or 7 minutes left to watch of Undercover Boss, I thought I could back-up the buffer and catch its final minutes. Apparently not, the buffer seemed to be gone. eek.gif Solutions anyone? confused.gif

I think you witnessed the first issue in the "buffer bugs list" from this post.

Mark
post #2356 of 3301
TiVo date and time is correct after DST change. ToDo List is also correct this morning. Have 10 shows schedule to record on Sunday, all have correct time, and time allotment.
post #2357 of 3301
This normal. I don't recall ever having problems with the time change.
post #2358 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Actually the only scheduled recording was "Golden Boy" at 8pm Central. And both the show I was "Chase Playing" and the Golden Boy scheduled recording are on CBS (same channel). Maybe the show I was chasing was still in the buffer if I had pressed "Live TV" or "Enter" to jump channels? I'm not sure, because I wasn't thinking that quickly.... smile.gif

That brings up another question. I used to think I had "Live TV" and "Enter" figured out. But I dunno if maybe they've changed something with the last update? I never seem to know what those buttons are going to do anymore . . . confused.gif

The live buffer issue is a known problem that they introduced in recent releases, only way to guarantee not losing the buffer is to hit record on a show that you're really into while watching it.

Live TV cycles between tuners and is a faster way to flip back and forth (once you get the tuners on the channels you want), Enter/Last changes the channel on the tuner you're watching now so it's a bit slower.
post #2359 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

That brings up another question. I used to think I had "Live TV" and "Enter" figured out. But I dunno if maybe they've changed something with the last update? I never seem to know what those buttons are going to do anymore . . . confused.gif

This gets back to some of the inconsistent and changing action for buttons on the remote, which I do not like about TiVo. There are several crazed buttons: Enter, Last, Zoom, Left Arrow, LiveTV, Info, Clear, just to name a few.

The new remote I am using has cleared up about 70% of those button issues and has made intended actions simple, straight forward, and fast. This is accomplished by providing much needed single and discrete purpose buttons – thus you get quicker results of what you want. No longer trying to guess what a button will do in this case or that.
post #2360 of 3301
You're just not used to them, they're not crazed and every one of those buttons has a useful purpose on a Tivo. The biggest thing people have to get used to is hitting left to exit/delete a show instead of using a stop button. It bugged me at first when I switched from Replays to Tivo but I got over it quickly. Left is kind of like the universal escape key on a Tivo.
post #2361 of 3301
Actually I am very use to the inconsistencies in the TiVo software programming and how to work around most of them. It is the mark of programming by an endless committee process – too many cooks in the kitchen. Just reading the endless pages of copyrights and trademark pages is only tiny hint of this programming insanity. In this day and age, one would expect just a little better from something as simple as a DVR. But then again; since there is no real competition in this segment of the market, I suppose that is all we can hope for.

It is sort of like the Vikings in the 11th Century using “Crystals” to navigate at dawn or dusk, when neither the stars nor sunlight were visible. There have been hundreds of advancements since crystals for navigation. Today almost every man, woman, and child can get a GPS cheaply.

TiVo could do a lot better, cheaply; but without real competition there is no incentive for them to do so.

The Left Arrow:

Most cars today have a left door handle. One would expect that if you are sitting in the car and pull the left handle the left door opens. AFAIK, the owner’s manual does not say that when driving down a hill you must open the left door in order to stop the car (the TiVo method). The manual does not say if the radio is “on” (the info banner), that opening the left door will not stop the car. In other words by default you must know to turn the radio “off” before opening the left door to stop the car. Nor does the manual say that if you are driving “up” a hill that a different response (different exit menu is presented) when you open the door. Those are just some of different responses from just opening the left door. The car manufacturer could have eliminated those issues by just “inventing” and “installing” a brake pedal to stop the car. In the case of TiVo there are 6, 7, 8 or more different responses of the left arrow all dependent upon where you are in the system, some are obvious some are not.
post #2362 of 3301
I agree with you: consistency of action would make for a more user friendly experience. But, I think the thing we have to realize is this isn't so much a DVR as it is a computer. Coming from the Sony DHG, it was a one trick pony. And what it did, it did very well. The TiVo has so many more options, and I guess to make discreet command buttons would require a rather large remote biggrin.gif or some more noodling with the programming. Think of it in the same light as a keyboard on a computer: the same key or combination of keys in one program may, and typically do, something completely different in another program.rolleyes.gif
post #2363 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Michael1138 View Post

I agree with you: consistency of action would make for a more user friendly experience. But, I think the thing we have to realize is this isn't so much a DVR as it is a computer. Coming from the Sony DHG, it was a one trick pony. And what it did, it did very well. The TiVo has so many more options, and I guess to make discreet command buttons would require a rather large remote biggrin.gif or some more noodling with the programming. Think of it in the same light as a keyboard on a computer: the same key or combination of keys in one program may, and typically do, something completely different in another program.rolleyes.gif
Your comparison is pretty good. Once upon a time keyboards had 83 keys. Then 102 keys. Then somebody decided a key for everything was a good idea. Logitech was a leader in that. To get all those function made the legends smaller and the functions more complex. True, the TiVo has a lot of functionality and somebody has to map a remote to those functions. But to have one button access is impossible and a simple UI is very hard. I like the remote, but I'm still learning after over a year of daily use. I can navigate the menu system easily, the remote not so much.
post #2364 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

A In the case of TiVo there are 6, 7, 8 or more different responses of the left arrow all dependent upon where you are in the system, some are obvious some are not.

As a TiVo newbie it would be handy if you could briefly tell us what the 6, 7, 8 different actions are. So far it's been an adventure for me, and after 6 years with the DHG I've had enough adventures! Thanks
post #2365 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

But to have one button access is impossible and a simple UI is very hard.
I think Apple would disagree. They have done everything with a single button mouse from the beginning and many people still claim it is the easiest and most intuitive OS on the market.

The TiVo "peanut remote" has gotten high praise from "ordinary" users who love the fact that there are few buttons to deal with and they don't have to strain their eyes reading tiny print on a mass of tiny buttons. When in doubt, press the left arrow -- apparently most people (including my wife and daughter) find a few context-sensitive buttons to be far more intuitive and usable than death by a thousand buttons. Control freaks, like us, have a problem with that which is why I bought a Harmony -- so I could assign discrete commands to discrete buttons.

So that is what I would recommend to many of you DHG converts -- buy a Harmony for yourself and you can get all the multi-button control you want including a "stop" button (you just program the left arrow command into the stop button). Give the peanut-remote to the rest of the family.
post #2366 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I think Apple would disagree. They have done everything with a single button mouse from the beginning and many people still claim it is the easiest and most intuitive OS on the market.

The TiVo "peanut remote" has gotten high praise from "ordinary" users who love the fact that there are few buttons to deal with and they don't have to strain their eyes reading tiny print on a mass of tiny buttons. When in doubt, press the left arrow -- apparently most people (including my wife and daughter) find a few context-sensitive buttons to be far more intuitive and usable than death by a thousand buttons. Control freaks, like us, have a problem with that which is why I bought a Harmony -- so I could assign discrete commands to discrete buttons.

So that is what I would recommend to many of you DHG converts -- buy a Harmony for yourself and you can get all the multi-button control you want including a "stop" button (you just program the left arrow command into the stop button). Give the peanut-remote to the rest of the family.

Please don't get me wrong. I like the TiVo remote. I might disagree what makes print tiny, but that's my poor eyesight. The remote for my Sony TV is terrible and caused me to buy an older remote since it does 90% of the new one and I don't miss what it doesn't do.
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Would someone please point me to where on TiVo troubleshooting or help forums I can find out what flashing LEDs mean? I've searched in vain. When I got up today all the lights (except green) on my Premiere were flashing every 1-2 seconds. Turned the TV on and just got a "no signal" message. Unplugged the TiVo and left it for about an hour. Plugged it back in and it went through the boot process okay and at the moment seems to be functioning just fine. What has happened and what is it telling me?
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On the subject of the remote, I LOVE the TiVo remote. Most ergonomically comfortable remote ever and, for me, the buttons are pretty intuitive. Guess one's satisfaction depends on what functions you use regularly, or I'm just not a control freak. biggrin.gif

All of those little buttons on a programmable remote would drive me crazy.
post #2369 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

Would someone please point me to where on TiVo troubleshooting or help forums I can find out what flashing LEDs mean? I've searched in vain. When I got up today all the lights (except green) on my Premiere were flashing every 1-2 seconds. Turned the TV on and just got a "no signal" message. Unplugged the TiVo and left it for about an hour. Plugged it back in and it went through the boot process okay and at the moment seems to be functioning just fine. What has happened and what is it telling me?
You may have had a short power dip that caused the TiVo to lose its way. Or, sometimes when they send out an update that triggers a reboot it may hiccup and require a cold boot. Or, it could just be a simple crash -- very infrequent but they do happen from time to time. I have a habit of rebooting my TiVo every month or two to clear the cobwebs. I rarely see a crash.

Although an hour won't hurt, I find unplugging for 10 min is enough to drain the capacitors and make it electrically dead for a cold boot.
post #2370 of 3301
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Originally Posted by bschift View Post

As a TiVo newbie it would be handy if you could briefly tell us what the 6, 7, 8 different actions are. So far it's been an adventure for me, and after 6 years with the DHG I've had enough adventures! Thanks

Since I have stopped using the TiVo remote, there is really no way to remember them all. The best way to discover the many multi use buttons is to simply try “all” the buttons on virtually “all” the screens and you will discover many things.

Here are just a few on the “left arrow”:

1. If you are on “TiVo Central” screen (their main menu), the left arrow is “dead”; you must use right arrow and go forward, or live TV (where you may not want to go), or zoom. Clear is also dead at this point. Surprisingly, the TiVo remote does not include a return/exit key BUT the programming is inside the Premier Box, you only need a “remote” with the button on it to execute the “desired” command.
2. While watching a recording and if you are at the beginning or middle of the show hitting the left arrow will produce a specific “exit” screen with options – delete is “down” one.
3. While watching a recording and if you are towards the end of the show hitting the left arrow will produce a different “exit” screen with options – delete is “up” one.
4. While watching a recording and if any informational data is on the screen hitting the left arrow will produce no results – the button is dead. You must clear the screen (or wait) in order to active the left arrow again.
5. While watching live TV with clear screen, hitting the left arrow brings up TiVo Suggestions.
6. Or while watching live TV with clear screen, hitting the left arrow brings up TiVo Central.
7. Or while watching live TV with clear screen, hitting the left arrow brings up your previous recorded show that you last watched and saved. The actions of 5, 6, and 7 are dependent upon your most recent set of actions.
8. While watching live TV with info banner(s), hitting the left arrow is dead.
9. There are more; but you get the idea.
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