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post #2401 of 3301
I don't know for sure, but can't you send that back to the Tivo and then pull it back again through kmttg? If not, I do remember reading about other programs in this forum that will decod .tivo files. Just can't remember them off the top of my head.
post #2402 of 3301
I guess I could, but I like to save that as a last option. I'm fairly certain that there is supposed to be a way to do it directly off the hard drive.

Al
post #2403 of 3301
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Originally Posted by lokisince89 View Post

Looking for help with KMTTG- trying to convert files already downloaded to my machine that are in .Tivo format to .mpg for burning. I have version kmttg v0p9j. I followed the instructions (I think) from the website: I use ADD and browse to the file I want. Highlight the file then select START JOBS.
That is exactly the procedure to use. I'm using kmttg v0p9l. After reading your note I used that procedure to have kmttg pull a couple .tivo files off my server and decrypt them to my local HDD. It worked perfectly. I then pulled a couple more .tivo files from the server to my local HDD and ran kmttg to decrypt from the local to the local. Again it worked perfectly. I'll bet you have a setting in kmttg that is the root of your problem.
post #2404 of 3301
Guess I should start a Bug lists; hitting way too many.

This is the third time now I have hit this bug which requires unplug reboot to fix it.

I had been watching some online videos mostly YouTube and mostly news for about 45 minutes, when all the sudden it locks up.

Usually just hitting the “LiveTV” button is the fastest way to kill “online” and get back to normal DVR TiVo; but this time it was locked up good and said there was no antenna signal. Which was not true. No channels were active, the reboot fixed it instantly.

I am beginning to think unplug-reboot is a “normal” TiVo procedure.

It is disappointing that the online experience with TiVo is so poor.
post #2405 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Guess I should start a Bug lists; hitting way too many.

This is the third time now I have hit this bug which requires unplug reboot to fix it.

I had been watching some online videos mostly YouTube and mostly news for about 45 minutes, when all the sudden it locks up.

Usually just hitting the “LiveTV” button is the fastest way to kill “online” and get back to normal DVR TiVo; but this time it was locked up good and said there was no antenna signal. Which was not true. No channels were active, the reboot fixed it instantly.

I am beginning to think unplug-reboot is a “normal” TiVo procedure.

It is disappointing that the online experience with TiVo is so poor.

" unplug-reboot" is most certainly not a normal TiVo procedure. I've been using TiVos for over a decade and that has never been the norm.
Now there was an issue I remember when dealing with the Season Passes online where it could reboot the box during certain conditions. But it was fixed with a software update.
post #2406 of 3301
Well since I am new to TiVo, guess I am still learning.

I learned of the unplug and reboot just a couple of days ago. The reason being I had a “blank” SDUI screen for a few days that would not fix itself. TiVo support said to unplug reboot (TiVo support gets "A" for the fast and correct response). I did and that fixed the Blank SDUI screen.

Well today after it hung up and it would not fix itself after about 45 min. I did the unplug/reboot and it was working correctly again in about 5 min or so.

I have always been one to push the DVR hard and too its limits. It seems TiVo does not like doing more than one thing at a time, such as: downloading online content, streaming online content, recording from OTA two tuners, and playing with set up and diag screens on SDUI at the same time. I think the box will run better if they get rid of the SDUI altogether, it seems to have difficulty doing both.
post #2407 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Well since I am new to TiVo, guess I am still learning.

I learned of the unplug and reboot just a couple of days ago. The reason being I had a “blank” SDUI screen for a few days that would not fix itself. TiVo support said to unplug reboot (TiVo support gets "A" for the fast and correct response). I did and that fixed the Blank SDUI screen.

Well today after it hung up and it would not fix itself after about 45 min. I did the unplug/reboot and it was working correctly again in about 5 min or so.

I have always been one to push the DVR hard and too its limits. It seems TiVo does not like doing more than one thing at a time, such as: downloading online content, streaming online content, recording from OTA two tuners, and playing with set up and diag screens on SDUI at the same time. I think the box will run better if they get rid of the SDUI altogether, it seems to have difficulty doing both.

My TiVos have no problem doing all those things concurrently. I can be recording four programs, streaming to a TiVo Mini, downloading Amazon content and be in the setup menu without any issues. But I also use the HDUI. So the only time I encounter the SDUI is on the screens that have not been converted yet. This is with one of my TiVo ELites. My OTA only Premiere can be doing the same things concurrently without any problems also. But of course it is limited to recording two programs at once.
post #2408 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

My TiVos have no problem doing all those things concurrently. I can be recording four programs, streaming to a TiVo Mini, downloading Amazon content and be in the setup menu without any issues. But I also use the HDUI. So the only time I encounter the SDUI is on the screens that have not been converted yet. This is with one of my TiVo ELites. My OTA only Premiere can be doing the same things concurrently without any problems also. But of course it is limited to recording two programs at once.

Um, well this sort of implies and if I remember correctly, that when I have the box doing a lot of things and then make use of SDUI at the same time is when it bombs out. Of course isn’t the YouTube streaming using the SDUI, sure looks like it?

We have an Amazon prime account, so I may try some of the Amazon downloads and/or streaming. Not at all interested in “buying” any Amazon movies. If the Amazon experience is not better than plain DVD then I would have no interest in it.
post #2409 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Um, well this sort of implies and if I remember correctly, that when I have the box doing a lot of things and then make use of SDUI at the same time is when it bombs out. Of course isn’t the YouTube streaming using the SDUI, sure looks like it?

We have an Amazon prime account, so I may try some of the Amazon downloads and/or streaming. Not at all interested in “buying” any Amazon movies. If the Amazon experience is not better than plain DVD then I would have no interest in it.

Amazon on the TiVo does not have streaming, only downloads. But it also gives you the best quality from Amazon content. Since Amazon streaming content is only 720P. But downlaods can be up to 1080P24(like TV shows). I mainly use Amazon for watching some TV shows. And I use my TiVos for that because the vast majority of TV shows I've watched from Amazon have been in 1080P24. While if I streamed it from Amazon with other devices it's only in 720P.

Plus, from my previous post, even when I'm forced to go into an SD screen my TiVos have no problems. Just that by me using the HDUI I don't see the SD screens that often. But when I do there are still no issues with my TiVos.
post #2410 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Um, well this sort of implies and if I remember correctly, that when I have the box doing a lot of things and then make use of SDUI at the same time is when it bombs out. Of course isn’t the YouTube streaming using the SDUI, sure looks like it?.

Use the HDUI, it works good enough now and has way more useful features than SD. There is little reason to use the SDUI now unless you are really impatient.

I am with aaron, it doesn't hang up all that often no matter what I do - use the really bad YouTube app, stream web podcasts, etc. But when it does (and it does occasionally), I use kmttg's remote control feature to have it go to some other app and that always unhangs it without a reboot. You can do the same with the Tivo remote control phone app.
post #2411 of 3301
Does it not go to SDUI when using YouTube? Other than that I stay in the HDUI. I will assume it was just bad YouTube that made it lock up, plus the 45 of streaming.

Yep we played the iPad app. It was a nice toy, but brought no real value to us. So we deleted it.
post #2412 of 3301
No, the current YouTube app is HD. Use the iPad/iPhone app as a remote control to unlock the HDUI when it hangs, as I said.
post #2413 of 3301
I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer. I mean it was OK when online streaming first came out. I didn't use it much, but as I stream more often I've discovered there are so many better ways to view it. I find streaming internet videos from devices like DVD/Blu-Ray players, Smart TVs, and even the Tivo to feel more like an after thought. There are companies that specialize in streaming online content and it makes more sense to me to get one of them. For example I use a Roku for most online streaming (VideoBuzz enables Youtube). I'm sure there are other options, such as Apple TV, but I like the Roku a lot (and am not tied into iTunes). Even the $50 Roku does a good job.

I frequently use kmttg and other utilities to grab video from my Tivo or push videos to it, while the Premiere is recording and while I'm watching a recorded show. I've also done it while watching something from NetFlix. The Tivo is quite stable for me. That said, my Tivo has locked up upon a rare occasion, but that I always associate with channel lineup changes or software updates. I have a suspicion that heavily corrupted OTA recordings can cause problems, but I've nothing to prove that theory.
post #2414 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer. I mean it was OK when online streaming first came out. I didn't use it much, but as I stream more often I've discovered there are so many better ways to view it. I find streaming internet videos from devices like DVD/Blu-Ray players, Smart TVs, and even the Tivo to feel more like an after thought. There are companies that specialize in streaming online content and it makes more sense to me to get one of them. For example I use a Roku for most online streaming (VideoBuzz enables Youtube). I'm sure there are other options, such as Apple TV, but I like the Roku a lot (and am not tied into iTunes). Even the $50 Roku does a good job.

I frequently use kmttg and other utilities to grab video from my Tivo or push videos to it, while the Premiere is recording and while I'm watching a recorded show. I've also done it while watching something from NetFlix. The Tivo is quite stable for me. That said, my Tivo has locked up upon a rare occasion, but that I always associate with channel lineup changes or software updates. I have a suspicion that heavily corrupted OTA recordings can cause problems, but I've nothing to prove that theory.
No one's calling you a jerk (yet). The online experience varies and I'm sure you will get a lot a feedback. I have over 50 video sources on my BD player and TV but I only use a single audio source, Pandora, which works just as well with the TiVo. I had lockups late last year with changes in my cable feed, but 2013 has been very stable. I used to get Amazon but I found it a lesser value due to audio and video not up to BD quality. But it's really convenient. Eventually I dropped my internet speed down to save money in two ways. We're all different.
post #2415 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer......
Simplicity.......Remember DVD/VHS players/recorders? They were also worse than separate components but people still clamored to them hoping they would be simpler, actually they were not and they were far worse than separates. Same thing with streaming with the Tivo, it may not be as good as a $50 Roku but people already have the Tivo and don't have to run one more wire......they may also be out of inputs on their TV and don't want to add(or don't know how to) add a $30 switcher smile.gif
post #2416 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer. I mean it was OK when online streaming first came out. I didn't use it much, but as I stream more often I've discovered there are so many better ways to view it. I find streaming internet videos from devices like DVD/Blu-Ray players, Smart TVs, and even the Tivo to feel more like an after thought. There are companies that specialize in streaming online content and it makes more sense to me to get one of them. For example I use a Roku for most online streaming (VideoBuzz enables Youtube). I'm sure there are other options, such as Apple TV, but I like the Roku a lot (and am not tied into iTunes). Even the $50 Roku does a good job.

I frequently use kmttg and other utilities to grab video from my Tivo or push videos to it, while the Premiere is recording and while I'm watching a recorded show. I've also done it while watching something from NetFlix. The Tivo is quite stable for me. That said, my Tivo has locked up upon a rare occasion, but that I always associate with channel lineup changes or software updates. I have a suspicion that heavily corrupted OTA recordings can cause problems, but I've nothing to prove that theory.

The TiVo is the only device that I'm aware of that can get 1080P24 content from Amazon. Since it downloads it. The devices that have amazon streaming are using 720P streams. Most of the content I get from amazon are TV shows and I watch it from my TiVos because most of it has been in 1080P24.
post #2417 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer.
As jjeff indicates, I'm sure there are plenty of people who are not into massive Internet streaming and are happy with using their TiVo for streaming from the 1 or 2 sources they occasionally use. When I first got my TiVo, Netflix streaming was still included in the disk rental price so I used it to try it out but not heavily. When Netflix started charging separately for streaming, I dropped it and now I stream absolutely nothing from the Internet. So for me, an "online experience" provided by any device is pretty much useless.
post #2418 of 3301
Here's my reasons Hyrax:

I find the netflix interface annoying but tolerable - I usually know what I want to see on there before I get there so there's minimal browsing. It is painful to browse around the netflix content but there's other better ways to do that, nowadays everyone has a smartphone and instantwatcher is a great site. I also love that netflix/amazon/on demand/etc comes up in the tivo search, which you can use to jump straight to content in netflix and avoid the interface even more.

Youtube, I find the tivo interface pretty painful as well and tend to do more browsing here, but I can link my phone to the tivo and queue stuff up via my phone, and thus rarely have to use the tivo interface, other than waiting for it to start up.

I don't use amazon much but as aaronwt points out, the tivo gets the highest quality out of that feature.

For music I use rhapsody and I don't think roku supports that yet. I find this interface to be faster than the others and I don't have other options anyway.

I love the tivo slide remote and while I used to use my harmony for everything, since I got the tivo I am now reluctant to switch inputs. The slide is much better than any harmony as far as how it feels and works. Not as programmable, but... bluetooth, keyboard, I'd rather have these now than the ability to switch activities, as much as I loved that when I first started doing it back in 2005.

With recent enhancements to pyTivo you can even get everything from your local network except hd audio or dts at full quality w/o transcoding. (well I guess that depends on what content you have, mine is almost entirely ripped dvds and blurays which all transfer very well to the tivo, only hd audio and dts is transcoded)

So (as jjeff said) for me it's simplicity. I have a roku and had it hooked to my main tv for a while, but its interfaces aren't so much better that I feel I must use it. It's now on my secondary tv, where I don't have a tivo and it works great in that scenario. I don't mind using the harmony to jump around and still use my htpc for some stuff, but for the wife it's not even close - the tivo kills. Now that I have all the kids' movies on the network and can move them to the tivo, she doesn't even use the blu-ray much anymore.

I get what you are saying - it could be SO MUCH BETTER! Whenever I use the youtube plugin in xbmc, it makes the tivo interface look like a joke. But so far I find I can work around and minimize the pain, and by doing so get much closer to a completely unified experience, across so many different sources, better than any other I've found yet.
post #2419 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer. I mean it was OK when online streaming first came out. I didn't use it much, but as I stream more often I've discovered there are so many better ways to view it. I find streaming internet videos from devices like DVD/Blu-Ray players, Smart TVs, and even the Tivo to feel more like an after thought. There are companies that specialize in streaming online content and it makes more sense to me to get one of them. For example I use a Roku for most online streaming (VideoBuzz enables Youtube). I'm sure there are other options, such as Apple TV, but I like the Roku a lot (and am not tied into iTunes). Even the $50 Roku does a good job.

I frequently use kmttg and other utilities to grab video from my Tivo or push videos to it, while the Premiere is recording and while I'm watching a recorded show. I've also done it while watching something from NetFlix. The Tivo is quite stable for me. That said, my Tivo has locked up upon a rare occasion, but that I always associate with channel lineup changes or software updates. I have a suspicion that heavily corrupted OTA recordings can cause problems, but I've nothing to prove that theory.

The roku is a disaster zone with its horrible rgb output and mediocre video quality. It adds noise reduction to everything, resulting in a soft picture.

Even though the tivo can be slow within the apps the video quality is excellent with one of the few devices supporting netflix at 1080p/24, and as stated above, the only device supporting amazon vod at 1080p/24.
post #2420 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I know I'll end up sounding like a jerk saying this, but I don't understand why Tivo even offers an "online experience", and I'm not so sure why anyone uses what they do offer. I mean it was OK when online streaming first came out. I didn't use it much, but as I stream more often I've discovered there are so many better ways to view it. I find streaming internet videos from devices like DVD/Blu-Ray players, Smart TVs, and even the Tivo to feel more like an after thought. There are companies that specialize in streaming online content and it makes more sense to me to get one of them. For example I use a Roku for most online streaming (VideoBuzz enables Youtube). I'm sure there are other options, such as Apple TV, but I like the Roku a lot (and am not tied into iTunes). Even the $50 Roku does a good job.

I frequently use kmttg and other utilities to grab video from my Tivo or push videos to it, while the Premiere is recording and while I'm watching a recorded show. I've also done it while watching something from NetFlix. The Tivo is quite stable for me. That said, my Tivo has locked up upon a rare occasion, but that I always associate with channel lineup changes or software updates. I have a suspicion that heavily corrupted OTA recordings can cause problems, but I've nothing to prove that theory.
I have at least 9 devices attached to my Home theater system that can provide access to content from the Internet. Which is best really depends on what you want and how fast your Internet connection is. I have DSL and have issues streaming HD content. So for me the TiVo is great because many of the pod cast I watch can be auto downloaded via a "season pass", same is try with Amazon rentals, I can rent HD movies/shows because they download instead of stream. Also Pandora works great on my TiVos. For other stuff I do have a Roku (and several other brands of streaming only devices) but normally default to my HTPC where again I can down load HD content from Youtube if I have issues streaming it and have access to Hulu (the free version). So from my point of view my TiVos are more useful for web content than my Roku.
post #2421 of 3301
I'm really interested in getting a TiVo Premiere but I need to find out more.

My current cable setup is through TWC. But the price is getting sickening.

Cable in from wall outlet, split into two lines:
The first goes to my Cable Modem, which connects to my Router, then to my PC & Wireless Access Point (WAP)
The second line connects to my Digital Cable DVR, then to my Analog TV.

What I would like to do is reduce my cable service.

Cable in from wall outlet, split into two lines:
The first goes to my Cable Modem, which connects to my Router, then to my PC & Wireless Access Point (WAP)
The second line to connect to TiVo.
Another line from an OTA Antenna to connect to TiVo.
Then connect TiVo to an HDTV (Basic / Standard Cable & OTA)

Since I will not be getting Digital Cable, would I need a CableCARD?

The only cable service I would be getting is Basic / Standard Cable (Ch. 2-70).
post #2422 of 3301
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post

I'm really interested in getting a TiVo Premiere but I need to find out more.

My current cable setup is through TWC. But the price is getting sickening.

Cable in from wall outlet, split into two lines:
The first goes to my Cable Modem, which connects to my Router, then to my PC & Wireless Access Point (WAP)
The second line connects to my Digital Cable DVR, then to my Analog TV.

What I would like to do is reduce my cable service.

Cable in from wall outlet, split into two lines:
The first goes to my Cable Modem, which connects to my Router, then to my PC & Wireless Access Point (WAP)
The second line to connect to TiVo.
Another line from an OTA Antenna to connect to TiVo.
Then connect TiVo to an HDTV (Basic / Standard Cable & OTA)

Since I will not be getting Digital Cable, would I need a CableCARD?

The only cable service I would be getting is Basic / Standard Cable (Ch. 2-70).

I don't think your situation is clear enough for a simple answer. From what you said on:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/232530/albany-ny-hdtv/4900_50#post_22976322

and

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/newestpost/1467629

I don't know where to begin. I do feel that TWC is not your friend, analog cable up to 70 won't be there very long, and if you want to use the TiVo with any cable feed a cable card is really important. What is the ROI?

post #2423 of 3301
I'm not on TWC but it should work fine, thats exactly what I'm doing with one of my Premiers. OTA antenna for HD programming and basic cable for analog programs and a few clear QAM digital stations, works great.
Edited by eric102 - 4/13/13 at 8:32am
post #2424 of 3301
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Originally Posted by eric102 View Post

I'm not on TWC but it should work fine, thats exactly what I'm doing with one of my Premiers. OTA antenna for HD programming and basic cable for analog programs and a few clear QAM digital stations, works great.

Just curious: do you get messages when manual recording from cable that the channel is not in your listings? I wonder if it's just my cable feed that caused it for me. Thanks.

post #2425 of 3301
Yes, in my case its the QAM channels that the messages pop up but they record fine.
post #2426 of 3301
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post

I'm really interested in getting a TiVo Premiere but I need to find out more.

My current cable setup is through TWC. But the price is getting sickening.

Cable in from wall outlet, split into two lines:
The first goes to my Cable Modem, which connects to my Router, then to my PC & Wireless Access Point (WAP)
The second line connects to my Digital Cable DVR, then to my Analog TV.

What I would like to do is reduce my cable service.

Cable in from wall outlet, split into two lines:
The first goes to my Cable Modem, which connects to my Router, then to my PC & Wireless Access Point (WAP)
The second line to connect to TiVo.
Another line from an OTA Antenna to connect to TiVo.
Then connect TiVo to an HDTV (Basic / Standard Cable & OTA)

Since I will not be getting Digital Cable, would I need a CableCARD?

The only cable service I would be getting is Basic / Standard Cable (Ch. 2-70).
What you propose will work fine with a few caveats. First make sure you get a dual tuner Premiere it is the only one that works with OTA, analog cable, and digital cable, the 4 tuner units only work with digital cable. Second while you say you are not getting digital cable that will not be true, even with lifeline there will be open (not encrypted) digital channels available. The Premiere can tune and record open (not encrypted) digital channels without a cable card but there will be no guide data and the recordings have to be done manually (time recordings like a VCR). What this means is that if TWC has converted any of their basic channels to digital only you will have to do manual recordings and will not have any guide data to help you. You should also be aware that all cable companies including TWC are moving towards all digital. The Premiere is a great DVR (I have 3 HD TiVos including a Premiere all used for OTA only) and if you get lifetime up front can save you some money very fast. If you don't know anyone who can get you a discount try the promo code PLSR it might still be good for $100 off the full price of lifetime service.

Good Luck!
post #2427 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I don't think your situation is clear enough for a simple answer.

I'm currently get TWC DVR Digital Cable box. The only stations I really watch are on Ch. 2-70. Which come in fine on both an Analog & HDTV that are directly connected to the wall cable jack. The other 200+ channels that the TWC DVR Digital Cable bring in are hardly ever watched. Because of that & TWC increasing greed, I plan to decrease my cable tv service to just Basic / Standard Cable.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I don't know where
to begin. I do feel that TWC is not your friend, analog cable up to 70 won't be there very long, and if you want to use the TiVo with any cable feed a cable card is really important. What is the ROI?

TWC isn't anyones friend. How long will analog cable be there? According to TiVo.com it says a cablecard is needed for "Digital" cable. What is ROI?
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Originally Posted by atmusky View Post

What you propose will work fine with a few caveats. First make sure you get a dual tuner Premiere it is the only one that works with OTA, analog cable, and digital cable, the 4 tuner units only work with digital cable.

That's the one I was planning to get.

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Originally Posted by atmusky View Post

Second while you say you are not getting digital cable that will not be true, even with lifeline there will be open (not encrypted) digital channels available. The Premiere can tune and record open (not encrypted) digital channels without a cable card but there will be no guide data and the recordings have to be done manually (time recordings like a VCR). What this means is that if TWC has converted any of their basic channels to digital only you will have to do manual recordings and will not have any guide data to help you.

Is that anything like I do now? IE: To record CSI:NY, I can do it alphabeticly or use the guide. I'd open the guide move it to the channel, day & time it comes on. Then I select record, and select options, etc. Most of the programs I record are shown on the lower channels. Some do have digital alternatives. I don't mind doing "manual" records, if it saves me money. Every Sunday I setup my TWC DVR for the whole week. The recordings act as a backup for my daily viewing. I record all my regular shows I plan to watch. This way encase I have guests, not home, or whatnot I can watch them later. Once I watch the shows (first run or recorded) I delete them.
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Originally Posted by atmusky View Post

You should also be aware
that all cable companies including TWC are moving towards all digital. The Premiere is a great DVR (I have 3 HD TiVos including
a Premiere all used for OTA only) and if you get lifetime up front can save you some money very fast. If you don't know anyone
who can get you a discount try the promo code PLSR it might still be good for $100 off the full price of lifetime service.

Good Luck!

I understand the move to all digital is coming. But if I can avoid the extra charges for a few months or even a year, it would be nice. I was planning on getting the Premiere. I'd try the month to month for a couple months to get used to the TiVo. Then I would get the lifetime service. Or if I got a good upfront deal, I'd do the litetime service right away.

Ok here is how my TWC bill stands now:

Digital Tier $8.03
DVR Service $12.95
Digital Programming Guide $2.49
Cable Box $5.23
Internet Modem Lease $3.95
Cable Remote $0.30
Standard Internet $45.54
Broadcast Basic $8.92
Standard Service $57.98

Total monthly services $145.39

FCC Regulatory Fee $0.09
Franchise Fee $4.85
Sales Tax $0.32

Total Taxes & Fees $5.26
Total $150.26


What is stupid to me is TWC charges double for Basic Cable. frown.gif
Broadcast Basic $8.92 & Standard Service $57.98 (Standard includes the Basic Channels).

Just another reason to ditch TWC.
Edited by IN2tvClassics - 4/14/13 at 12:00am
post #2428 of 3301
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post




I'm currently get TWC DVR Digital Cable box. The only stations I really watch are on Ch. 2-70. Which come in fine on both an Analog & HDTV that are directly connected to the wall cable jack. The other 200+ channels that the TWC DVR Digital Cable bring in are hardly ever watched. Because of that & TWC increasing greed, I plan to decrease my cable tv service to just Basic / Standard Cable.
TWC isn't anyones friend. How long will analog cable be there? According to TiVo.com it says a cablecard is needed for "Digital" cable. What is ROI?
That's the one I was planning to get.



Is that anything like I do now? IE: To record CSI:NY, I can do it alphabeticly or use the guide. I'd open the guide move it to the channel, day & time it comes on. Then I select record, and select options, etc. Most of the programs I record are shown on the lower channels. Some do have digital alternatives. I don't mind doing "manual" records, if it saves me money. Every Sunday I setup my TWC DVR for the whole week. The recordings act as a backup for my daily viewing. I record all my regular shows I plan to watch. This way encase I have guests, not home, or whatnot I can watch them later. Once I watch the shows (first run or recorded) I delete them.
I understand the move to all digital is coming. But if I can avoid the extra charges for a few months or even a year, it would be nice. I was planning on getting the Premiere. I'd try the month to month for a couple months to get used to the TiVo. Then I would get the lifetime service. Or if I got a good upfront deal, I'd do the litetime service right away.

Ok here is how my TWC bill stands now:

Digital Tier $8.03
DVR Service $12.95
Digital Programming Guide $2.49
Cable Box $5.23
Internet Modem Lease $3.95
Cable Remote $0.30
Standard Internet $45.54
Broadcast Basic $8.92
Standard Service $57.98

Total monthly services $145.39

FCC Regulatory Fee $0.09
Franchise Fee $4.85
Sales Tax $0.32

Total Taxes & Fees $5.26
Total $150.26


What is stupid to me is TWC charges double for Basic Cable. frown.gif
Broadcast Basic $8.92 & Standard Service $57.98 (Standard includes the Basic Channels).

Just another reason to ditch TWC.

I knew this would be complicated. ROI = Return On Investment. You add up what you will pay to convert over a period of time and compare that to what you will save. That said, remember that all cable is local.

 

They really give you a detailed bill. My 5Mbs internet is $30/mo. I own the modem. Your "Broadcast Basic" would probably give you 20 channels. Standard gives you the rest. My "limited" is $20 a month and includes "local" HD. But for "Standard" you get the other channels in analog. For $65 I get the first 20 analog and 120 digital. That started two years ago and continues today to make room for more HD channels. I get one free DTA that will convert the digital SD channels to analog - never used it. My cable card is $3/mo and I bought my 320GB Premiere on eBay.

 

By dropping their STB and using the TiVo I saved nothing. The box was part of a special package so giving it back I went "a la carte" and other rates went up. My cable internet is from a third party but I have to go through my cable company for service and the fee is on my cable bill. My cable company is very small.

 

Without HD service I get 20 analog and 140 digital. 20 are HD and many are duplicates or triplicates. These are the channels I get on my TV. No guide, no PSIP, no SCTE-127. Look it up on Google.

 

TiVo service gives you a guide. That guide assumes a cable card. Does your channel lineup match the lineup on your TWC DVR guide? If not, you will get messages about trying to record a program not on your guide. A cable card fixes that. Thirty cents a month for the remote? That's amazing.

 

Our viewing habits are similar. I also have a Sony DHG and Magnavox 2160A and 515H. I have a M6620N and BV-980H in their boxes. I tend to record a season for some programs which are stored on a PC with a 1TB USB drive or on the Magnavox.


Edited by JoeKustra - 4/14/13 at 6:02am
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TiVo service gives you a guide. That guide assumes a cable card. Does your channel lineup match the lineup on your TWC DVR guide? If not, you will get messages about trying to record a program not on your guide. A cable card fixes that. Thirty cents a month for the remote? That's amazing.

Yes my TWC DVR guide matches my channel lineup.

I contacted TiVo about my pending situation. The rep. told me that if I only get Basic & Standard Cable I shouldn't need a cableCARD. I should just check with TWC to see if any of those channels are broadcasted using a digital signal.

The rep also told me that the channel guide should work fine as long as I am connected to the internet. If I actually "need" a cableCARD down the road, I'll worry about it then.

The way it looks now, I should be ok without it.
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post


Yes my TWC DVR guide matches my channel lineup.

I contacted TiVo about my pending situation. The rep. told me that if I only get Basic & Standard Cable I shouldn't need a cableCARD. I should just check with TWC to see if any of those channels are broadcasted using a digital signal.

The rep also told me that the channel guide should work fine as long as I am connected to the internet. If I actually "need" a cableCARD down the road, I'll worry about it then.

The way it looks now, I should be ok without it.

Sounds good to me. If all you watch & record is analog cable things should be ok. I calculate that you should be saving $29/mo + tax. Then you pay for the TiVo once. Have fun.

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