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post #2431 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Sounds good to me. If all you watch & record is analog cable things should be ok. I calculate that you should be saving $29/mo + tax. Then you pay for the TiVo once. Have fun.
His bill includes line items for "Digital Tier" and "Digital Programming Guide".
He may be watching SD but I doubt it is all analog.
post #2432 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


His bill includes line items for "Digital Tier" and "Digital Programming Guide".
He may be watching SD but I doubt it is all analog.

I didn't want to get involved, but I was trying to help. My number was from his stated desire to drop TWC digital and get that OTA. Given that such is possible (I could too if I wanted SD only), I figured that he was going to ask TWC to drop his digital stuff and lose the cable "box". I have zero chance of OTA and would need a DTA for anything passed the first 23 channels of old vsb signals if I had an analog TV. I can't discount his opinion that the first 70 are analog since it's only been a year since my mother's feed dropped the analog basic cable channels like TNT, USA, etc. and made them digital only. I agree with your conclusion, but exceptions are the rule with cable. There is much more I could say, but I don't like to offend anyone.

 

Who gets a cable bill that splits out the remote, guide, and box as individual items on the bill? Now that's really strange. If it's the Rovi IGuide, that's too much.

post #2433 of 3304
That's the plan, drop the Digital Cable service. So my TWC bill should only have the following services:

Internet Modem Lease $3.95
Standard Internet $45.54
Broadcast Basic $8.92
Standard Service $57.98

Plus there BS fees they like to charge.

Although I believe they are double charging for Basic.

They offer Basic Cable & Standard Cable.

Basic Cable includes Ch. 2-22
Standard Cable includes Ch. 2-70

So if you pay for Standard Cable, the Basic Cable should be included. Makes sense to any normal person. But TWC isn't normal.

I've been with TWC long enough (too long) to know that my rates will be adjusted so they can squeeze more money out of me. frown.gif
post #2434 of 3304
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post

That's the plan, drop the Digital Cable service. So my TWC bill should only have the following services:

Internet Modem Lease $3.95
Standard Internet $45.54
Broadcast Basic $8.92
Standard Service $57.98

Plus there BS fees they like to charge.

Although I believe they are double charging for Basic.

They offer Basic Cable & Standard Cable.

Basic Cable includes Ch. 2-22
Standard Cable includes Ch. 2-70

So if you pay for Standard Cable, the Basic Cable should be included. Makes sense to any normal person. But TWC isn't normal.

I've been with TWC long enough (too long) to know that my rates will be adjusted so they can squeeze more money out of me. frown.gif

My 2 cents, a CableCARD is only $2.50/mo and gives you all the Digital and HD channels available in the Standard Service, you are already paying for them anyway.

I entered ZipCode 12203
http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeast/support/clu/clu.ashx?downloadPdf=true&cluid=223

http://www.timewarnercable.com/content/twc/en/residential-home/tv/channels/channel-lineup.html
Edited by Bryan_CoxPHX - 4/16/13 at 4:01am
post #2435 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post


My 2 cents, a CableCARD is only $2.50/mo and gives you all the Digital and HD channels available in the Standard Service, you are already paying for them anyway.

I entered ZipCode 12203
http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeast/support/clu/clu.ashx?downloadPdf=true&cluid=223

http://www.timewarnercable.com/content/twc/en/residential-home/tv/channels/channel-lineup.html

That would be my logic too. The CC also gets you a tuning adapter. TWC likes their SDV.

post #2436 of 3304
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post

That's the plan, drop the Digital Cable service. So my TWC bill should only have the following services
As others will tell you, what a subscriber currently pays may often be associated with a "package deal" and if you start to cut pieces you break the package and revert to A la carte pricing, so you may find that your rates don't go down as much as you might have anticipated. Good luck and make sure you get all the pricing info from TWC for the new mix of services you are contemplating before making the plunge -- this can often be difficult.
post #2437 of 3304
IN2tvClassics;;
That package you are paying $150 a month, I get for $93 as a "triple play" in the Western New York market. That price also includes their "digital phone" (which is really a modified VoIP service). I can't believe they have a separate change for the remote, and the programing guide. rolleyes.gif

Questions;
1. What market are you in?,
2. The "digital tier", can I assume that is the first HD tier?
3. I see a separate entry for a "cable box". Is that a 2nd STB other than the DVR?
4. Your Internet access, is that a 10Mb/s service or higher?
post #2438 of 3304

Start at post 2433 and all your questions should be answered.

post #2439 of 3304
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

IN2tvClassics;;
That package you are paying $150 a month, I get for $93 as a "triple play" in the Western New York market. That price also includes their "digital phone" (which is really a modified VoIP service). I can't believe they have a separate change for the remote, and the programing guide. rolleyes.gif

Questions;
1. What market are you in?,
2. The "digital tier", can I assume that is the first HD tier?
3. I see a separate entry for a "cable box". Is that a 2nd STB other than the DVR?
4. Your Internet access, is that a 10Mb/s service or higher?

Ans #1 - Capital District Area (Troy)
Ans #2 - Watch & Surf Digital Cable Package with DVR (Double Play)
Ans #3 - No, the only STB I have is a DVR Digital Cable box
Ans #4 - It's the standard RR service, it's the low end.
post #2440 of 3304
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post


Ans #1 - Capital District Area (Troy)
Ans #2 - Watch & Surf Digital Cable Package with DVR (Double Play)
Ans #3 - No, the only STB I have is a DVR Digital Cable box
Ans #4 - It's the standard RR service, it's the low end.

#4 - try this:

http://www.speedtest.net/

post #2441 of 3304
Amazing how living in another market changes rates so much. rolleyes.gif
I assume you don't have their "digital phone" service and your Internet package is 10 Mb/s? You are paying $57 more than I and you don't even have the phone service. Isn't their a "Triple Play" package available in your market?
How long have you had their service? Have you tried to force them to give you a better rate by threating cancellation of all services? It does work! wink.gif


Suggestion; place your towns name under your username to makes things easier when it comes to topics like this.
post #2442 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

#4 - try this:
http://www.speedtest.net/

Ping: 41 ms
DL speed: 10.65 Mbps
UL speed: 0.97 Mbps
post #2443 of 3304
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Originally Posted by IN2tvClassics View Post


Ping: 41 ms
DL speed: 10.65 Mbps
UL speed: 0.97 Mbps

That's pretty good for the price. And don't judge by this web site. Huddler sucks. I always use www.noaa.gov or http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=67

 

This used to be a nice forum.

post #2444 of 3304
Yep, 10 Mb/s service. Man are you paying way too much unless you get a lot of HD material other than duplicated SD programming.
post #2445 of 3304
The YouTube app has been updated some time in the last couple of weeks. Subscriptions, Watch Later, and Channels have been added. This is much more inline with how I hoped it would work. Navigation is still a little frustrating, and it remains very sluggish. But, at least it's a move in the right direction.
post #2446 of 3304
Yep, it's much better now for subs instead of the dumb all-in-one way they did it before.
post #2447 of 3304
Free TiVo Desktop software going away on June 5th . . . eek.gif

post #2448 of 3304

Yeah, I got that email too. There will still be a few alternatives unless TiVo comes out with an update that disables the function. Someone figured out free software isn't profitable I guess.

post #2449 of 3304
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Yeah, I got that email too. There will still be a few alternatives ...

But I believe that at least some alternatives (kmttg) require that TiVo Desktop be installed if I'm not mistaken?
post #2450 of 3304
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

But I believe that at least some alternatives (kmttg) require that TiVo Desktop be installed if I'm not mistaken?
kmttg does not require TiVo desktop to be installed in order to work. Video ReDo, however, does need to use TiVo Decode in order to open up a .tivo file for editing, so VRD does require TiVo Desktop to be installed. I note that they have dropped the price from $25 to $16. It's not a lot of money for the functionality it delivers so no big deal.
post #2451 of 3304
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

kmttg does not require TiVo desktop to be installed in order to work. Video ReDo, however, does need to use TiVo Decode in order to open up a .tivo file for editing, so VRD does require TiVo Desktop to be installed. I note that they have dropped the price from $25 to $16. It's not a lot of money for the functionality it delivers so no big deal.

Unless the key to the current paid version of TiVo Desktop Plus will give you access to the the new version that is sure to come the sale price is not worth it IMO, especially if your CableCo uses Copy Once aggressively. This is most likely why the current version is sale priced.

TiVo Desktop To Receive Imminent Refresh?
http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-02/tivo-desktop-to-receive-imminent-refresh/
post #2452 of 3304
The CCI byte will always be a sword hanging over the heads of the cable subscribers, but is of no concern for OTA usage. Who knows if a new version is coming and whether it will be an improvement to the current TiVo Desktop -- which has done it's job for me quite well over the last 4 yr. Anyone who has ever thought about using TiVo Desktop should download it now. The license is only needed to obtain the codecs for transcoding media for portable devices -- if you may want to do that, $16 is a trivial amount of money.
post #2453 of 3304
So you're talking Desktop Plus here (for $16), Kelson?
post #2454 of 3304
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

So you're talking Desktop Plus here (for $16), Kelson?
I believe that is what they call it. It is the same download and install. For the Plus version you buy the license key and enter it in one of the help menu windows. That unlocks the rest of the functionality for transcoding and some Internet content transfers. You don't need the license for the local bi-directional content transfers between TiVo and PC.
post #2455 of 3304
Question:

I upgraded from Tivo HD XL to the XL4 recently and loving the new machine. I have always used a Logitech Harmony One remote with Tivo. I was able to make a new profile with the remote for the XL4 and all the buttons are mapped they way I like and the remote works fine.

But the XL4 has a few features the HD Xl does not. If you hold the advance (30 sec skip) button it will now take you to the end of a recording or to live TV. This is new for me. And of course my remote (or the tivo) seems a bit too glitchy for this feature. If i tap the button it usually takes me 30 secs. if I tap it 3 times it will advance 90 seconds etc. But often if i tap the button it will act as if I am pressing and holding and then take me to the end of the recording. Last night I was watching Matt Harvey pitching a perfect game in the 6th inning. i skipped ahead to the 7th being careful to just lightly tap the button - and of course it took me to the end of the game (Harvey allowed one hit)

This seems to happen mostly in longer recordings of live events - like sports.

Is there any way to disable the feature of skipping to end of recording. I like that u can skip to the beginning of a recording by holding down the replay button. But skipping to end is sort of pointless cause you could always hit ff a few times and then hit the 30 sec skip button and tivo would jump by steps to the end very fast.

If there is no way to disable this feature perhaps i can adjust my delays within the harmony software. Anyone know the correct process?

Finally I would like to know more about the 30 sec skip feature. On the old Tivo, when i hit that button it would take me 30 secs ahead in a jump cut and usually find the correct spot to continue playback. On the XL4 the 30 sec skip will jog through the recording (i can see the commercials speed by) and usually it is not as precise finding the correct playback. I read that there are codes to toggle that can restore the old 30 sec skip. If this is indeed true, have any of you used this feature on series 4 machines? Is it a better way to skip commercials? Can i set it so it will always stay on or will i have to toggle it on after every show? Will using the 30 sec jump this way eliminate my problem of inadvertently moving to end of recording?

Thanks in advance
post #2456 of 3304
The XL4 has a 30 second scan. You can still implement the 30 second skip like you could on the other TiVos. Personally I preferr the 30 second scan. I have not had any issues in the 3+ years I've been using Premieres using the 30 second scan with my harmony remotes, TiVo slide remotes, or regular TiVo remotes. Everytime I hit the button it adds 30 seconds to the scan. Up to ten minutes. I have yet to see it skip to the very end from me hitting that skip button..
post #2457 of 3304
The 30 second skip still works but you may need an extra step. I did this after first backig up the buffer a few minutes...

Select - Select - Play - Select - 3 - 0 - Select

Try 1 Select first, but I needed the 2 Selects in the beginning. It does work for my P4 and XL4.
post #2458 of 3304
yeah i don't mind jogging through instead of skipping but I am having these issues fairly regularly where it skips to end of recording. i guess the actually button on the Harmony could be a little spongy and activating the skip to end feature inadvertently. So there is no way to eliminate this feature? Or i wonder if i could make a sequence or add some sort of delay to make this button less sensitive?

And i find this issue happens most when i am recording a live event and watching it on delay while the program is still recording...

I may try the select codes too but will I always have to toggle it on? And what do mean by backing up the buffer first? Also programming a 7 button sequence on the harmony is not possible - do u just enter manually? I don't mind doing this if i dont have to constantly toggle this feature on and off. If i only have to do it once and this eliminates my problem i will def try that...

thanks again
Edited by blacksnakeball - 5/8/13 at 12:00pm
post #2459 of 3304
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Originally Posted by blacksnakeball View Post

And what do mean by backing up the buffer first?
thanks again

They tell you to program the remote while watching a recorded show, but you do not have to do this if you just back up (not backup) the 'live" show buffer and start playing it.
post #2460 of 3304
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Originally Posted by blacksnakeball View Post


Finally I would like to know more about the 30 sec skip feature. I read that there are codes to toggle that can restore the old 30 sec skip. If this is indeed true, have any of you used this feature on series 4 machines? Is it a better way to skip commercials? Can i set it so it will always stay on or will i have to toggle it on after every show? Will using the 30 sec jump this way eliminate my problem of inadvertently moving to end of recording?

Thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by mpsan View Post

The 30 second skip still works but you may need an extra step. I did this after first backig up the buffer a few minutes...

Select - Select - Play - Select - 3 - 0 - Select

Try 1 Select first, but I needed the 2 Selects in the beginning. It does work for my P4 and XL4.

Any of the backdoor codes you use will remain in effect as long as the DVR is powered on. If it is rebooted or the power is interrupted, you will have to re-enter the codes. Also, you can toggle the feature on and off each time you enter the code.

Like Aaron, I have been using the 30-second skip for years with no problem; but I have heard of others who experienced an issue similar to the one you mention (see TivoCommunity). Not sure what to make of it.
Edited by chi_guy50 - 5/9/13 at 5:23am
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