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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

By same I mean description or season & episode. Next week is the season end, and the ION being a repeat should be different.

Well yeah, since ION only airs syndicated stuff (over and over and over smile.gif) they wouldn't be the same.
post #2492 of 3301
Joe, the short answer is NO.

Program X USED to be on channel 100... there are currently no episodes on that channel, but the season pass still exists for that channel. Channel 200 DOES have episodes on it. When I try to do a season pass on channel 200, it goes to the channel 100 season pass to modify the recording.

Possum Girl did exactly what I wanted to do. I have the option about ANOTHER season pass and select that, but when I enter it, it goes back to the channel 100 SP. Bottom line, I can't get a second season pass with the same program NAME on another channel.
post #2493 of 3301
I have had no issues creating multiple SPs for PBS shows, I have 2 SPs for a handful of shows on both PBS channels here. It always shows both channels as options for SP creation when the show appears on both of them.
post #2494 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

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HP, I'm curious what "issues" you have with the transport controls? Seems to me they work as well, or better, than the same functions did with the DHG.


It’s somewhat difficult to put into words.

To me the transport controls are vastly different and the Sony’s are significantly better. True, the TiVo’s are much better than all the other DVR’s in that regard; I have tried most of them. And even the Sony’s transport controls as good as they were could have been improved.

No reason to list all the (missing) transport controls; multi speed slo-mo; bookmarks-user definable, real stop, etc. So I will try to explain the one that is the most irritating to me; it is my most “hated” feature of the TiVo.

TiVo’s “dumb queue” vs. Sony’s “smart queue”: I could live with TiVo’s “Dumb Queue” except for one major deficiency of the TiVo’s FF function: Its exceptionally substandard time slicing. Because I do not have a super high quality ultra-high speed video camera to illustrate, I will try to describe what “I See”.

To me the TiVo’s appears to be running at 60X when using FF3. To me that is half way between the Sony’s FF3 of 30X and FF4 of 90X. That’s all ok for me; because I can function equally well at 30X, 60X, and 90X. But the TiVo “time slicing” does not provide enough visual data for me to start at the “show” when the “Commercials” are over. Time slicing for me appear to be at “5” seconds on the Sony, making for exceptionally smooth FFs. My TiVo appears to be time slicing at “30” seconds. I call it “Jerky FF (TiVo)” not “Butter Smooth FF (Sony)”.

It normally takes me 3 frames to tell that the “show” has started again after commercials; so typically on the Sony that equates to about 15 seconds of show. With that much visual information it does not even matter if “I am drunk” the smart queue means the “show” starts in the right place. But on the TiVo’s that equates to 1.5 minutes (3 thirty second blocks of play). Now unfortunately commercials can run for any “insane” time frame; say: 9.75 minutes, 5 minutes even, 12.25 minutes – it always changes. Because of that “odd” commercial amount of time plus TiVo’s 30 second time slice, it all becomes “additive” throwing the “show” recovery further off. Now because of TiVo’s extreme Jerky FF it also means I may actually catch the visual queue in the first frame; meaning I can have up to 2.5 minutes of commercials to watch. Of if I make a mistake and do not catch the third frame and see the fourth, then I can have up to 2.5 or 3 minutes of show has been missed. Making matters worse the TiVo dumb queue backwards is exactly backwards of what it should be – the complete “opposite” of the Sony. When using TiVo’s RW at 2 or 3 speed, and starting with “play” it does the exact opposite of what it should.

Now the TiVo system of “Jerky FF” and “Dumb Queue” will work ok for me “only” under these circumstances: 1) It is an even number of minutes in the commercial run and 2) I catch the third frame (TiVo Dumb Queue backups up 1.5 minutes when using FF3).

So if you are off by only “one” frame either direction, can mean you may be over a minute off for the show. Throw in two frames off and an odd number of minutes in the commercials and you can start approaching 4 minutes off of either side of the shows start.

Seriously I think I was panic stricken when I would be off by 10 seconds with the Sony; but even in that panic stricken state; with the Sony and its butter smooth transport controls (backwards and forwards-and working the correct directions with the matching queues), you could get back to the show with only “two” button hits, RW and Play.

Like I said I do not have cameras to catch this or document it. I am sure someone does. So what I am seeing may not be what anyone else sees.

YMWV




Of course in TiVo land I could just do like everyone else for the 12.25 minutes of commercials and just hit “skip” 25 times and then a half dozen more buttons to find the start of the show. It is sort of like driving to the grocery store one mile away and hitting the brake pedal 25 times and stopping to see: “Are We There Yet?” The extra button hits at the end is like parking the car once you are at the store; “Sorry Man – I did not mean to hit your car” – “Well at least I am on the Lot – Does that count as ‘close nuff’?”
Edited by HoustonPerson - 5/18/13 at 7:27am
post #2495 of 3301
Before anyone screams: Yes I do like the TiVo better; but it is only because of SP and two tuners (the tuners do need to be better quality).
post #2496 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

It’s somewhat difficult to put into words.

To me the transport controls are vastly different and the Sony’s are significantly better. True, the TiVo’s are much better than all the other DVR’s in that regard; I have tried most of them. And even the Sony’s transport controls as good as they were could have been improved.

No reason to list all the (missing) transport controls; multi speed slo-mo; bookmarks-user definable, real stop, etc. So I will try to explain the one that is the most irritating to me; it is my most “hated” feature of the TiVo.

TiVo’s “dumb queue” vs. Sony’s “smart queue”: I could live with TiVo’s “Dumb Queue” except for one major deficiency of the TiVo’s FF function: Its exceptionally substandard time slicing. Because I do not have a super high quality ultra-high speed video camera to illustrate, I will try to describe what “I See”.

To me the TiVo’s appears to be running at 60X when using FF3. To me that is half way between the Sony’s FF3 of 30X and FF4 of 90X. That’s all ok for me; because I can function equally well at 30X, 60X, and 90X. But the TiVo “time slicing” does not provide enough visual data for me to start at the “show” when the “Commercials” are over. Time slicing for me appear to be at “5” seconds on the Sony, making for exceptionally smooth FFs. My TiVo appears to be time slicing at “30” seconds. I call it “Jerky FF (TiVo)” not “Butter Smooth FF (Sony)”.

It normally takes me 3 frames to tell that the “show” has started again after commercials; so typically on the Sony that equates to about 15 seconds of show. With that much visual information it does not even matter if “I am drunk” the smart queue means the “show” starts in the right place. But on the TiVo’s that equates to 1.5 minutes (3 thirty second blocks of play). Now unfortunately commercials can run for any “insane” time frame; say: 9.75 minutes, 5 minutes even, 12.25 minutes – it always changes. Because of that “odd” commercial amount of time plus TiVo’s 30 second time slice, it all becomes “additive” throwing the “show” recovery further off. Now because of TiVo’s extreme Jerky FF it also means I may actually catch the visual queue in the first frame; meaning I can have up to 2.5 minutes of commercials to watch. Of if I make a mistake and do not catch the third frame and see the fourth, then I can have up to 2.5 or 3 minutes of show has been missed. Making matters worse the TiVo dumb queue backwards is exactly backwards of what it should be – the complete “opposite” of the Sony. When using TiVo’s RW at 2 or 3 speed, and starting with “play” it does the exact opposite of what it should.

Now the TiVo system of “Jerky FF” and “Dumb Queue” will work ok for me “only” under these circumstances: 1) It is an even number of minutes in the commercial run and 2) I catch the third frame (TiVo Dumb Queue backups up 1.5 minutes when using FF3).

So if you are off by only “one” frame either direction, can mean you may be over a minute off for the show. Throw in two frames off and an odd number of minutes in the commercials and you can start approaching 4 minutes off of either side of the shows start.

Seriously I think I was panic stricken when I would be off by 10 seconds with the Sony; but even in that panic stricken state; with the Sony and its butter smooth transport controls (backwards and forwards-and working the correct directions with the matching queues), you could get back to the show with only “two” button hits, RW and Play.

Like I said I do not have cameras to catch this or document it. I am sure someone does. So what I am seeing may not be what anyone else sees.

YMWV




Of course in TiVo land I could just do like everyone else for the 12.25 minutes of commercials and just hit “skip” 25 times and then a half dozen more buttons to find the start of the show. It is sort of like driving to the grocery store one mile away and hitting the brake pedal 25 times and stopping to see: “Are We There Yet?” The extra button hits at the end is like parking the car once you are at the store; “Sorry Man – I did not mean to hit your car” – “Well at least I am on the Lot – Does that count as ‘close nuff’?”

WIth TiVos skip back function and the 30 second scan it works perfect for me. During the scan, When I see the commercial break end I wait a split second and then hit play. The TiVo jumps back a few seconds from when I hit the button and I'm right at the end of the commercial break. It works perfect for me probably 95% if the time. It's another reason I like the default 30 second scan over the 30 second skip option.
post #2497 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

WIth TiVos skip back function and the 30 second scan it works perfect for me. During the scan, When I see the commercial break end I wait a split second and then hit play. The TiVo jumps back a few seconds from when I hit the button and I'm right at the end of the commercial break. It works perfect for me probably 95% if the time. It's another reason I like the default 30 second scan over the 30 second skip option.

Yes I have used that method too. At first I liked it best but for some reason the 30 speed to me seemed so slow. I just went back and tried it all again several times after reading your post. Even at this slower speed, it is the jerkiness that is throwing me way off. If the scanning FF was smooth I don’t think it would be a problem for me. With all the processing power TiVo claims to have, I would think the scanning would be smooth and not a string of 30 second jumps.
post #2498 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post


TiVo’s “dumb queue” vs. Sony’s “smart queue”: I could live with TiVo’s “Dumb Queue” except for one major deficiency of the TiVo’s FF function: Its exceptionally substandard time slicing. Because I do not have a super high quality ultra-high speed video camera to illustrate, I will try to describe what “I See”.

HP, thanks for the detailed explanation although it's not something I've ever noticed. Guess I'm way too laid back to be bothered by it if I did see it. If I miss the end of a commercial break by a few seconds I just REW or FF and get on with enjoying the program. biggrin.gif Exactly like I did with the DHG for that matter.
post #2499 of 3301
I almost never use FF and RW, on the TiVo or on the Sony for that matter. I use the skip-fwd and skip-back (while counting button presses). I find that for the shows we record (mostly on CBS) the length of the commercials is very predictable based on where in the show they appear. Much of the time it's "six skips fwd, one skip back". Usually the commercial at the half-hour is longer, and the one at about xx:45 is longest of all. Just skip-fwd till you you see the show, then skip-back once or twice if you've gone too far. Like the Indian girl says on that Western Sky commercial... "Problem Solved!" smile.gif
post #2500 of 3301
Just the opposite for me. I always use FF. As soon as I see the start of the program I hit play and the TiVo automatically skips back to very close to the start. To each his own.
post #2501 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

Just the opposite for me. I always use FF. As soon as I see the start of the program I hit play and the TiVo automatically skips back to very close to the start. To each his own.

+1 ... and it really saves wear and tear on one's carpal tunnels too ...
post #2502 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

Just the opposite for me. I always use FF. As soon as I see the start of the program I hit play and the TiVo automatically skips back to very close to the start. To each his own.

+1 for me also. TIVO got it right. My problem with the Sony was that some times the fast forward would take a second or two to stop. Seemed to happen when the drives were 70% or more full.

James
post #2503 of 3301
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post

Has anyone noticed a few glitches on the Tivo website recently?

For the past 3 weeks, there seems to be an issue with the "more" button. For example, if I browse by category or channel, I am taken to the schedule of the channel I selected, so far so good. But if I click on "more" at the bottom of the page, it takes me back to the homepage ("Find TV Shows") instead of the schedule of the following day, as it used to.

Similarly, if I search a specific show using "Search TV and movies", it takes me to a list of times and channels when the show is playing, but this time if I click on "more", a "Technical difficulties" error message appears, instead of showing the next page.
Has anyone else seen that? I wonder if Tivo is aware of the issue, or if it's a user error on my part confused.gif

Has anyone else noticed that? Seems like the hiccups with the Tivo website are still unresolved.
I suppose that most of you guys do not schedule your recordings via the Tivo website?
It would be great if someone could test this to see if I'm the only one having this problem.
Thanks in advance smile.gif
post #2504 of 3301
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


Has anyone else noticed that? Seems like the hiccups with the Tivo website are still unresolved.
I suppose that most of you guys do not schedule your recordings via the Tivo website?
It would be great if someone could test this to see if I'm the only one having this problem.
Thanks in advance smile.gif

Glad to test but can't seem to find the "search by channel" or "more" buttons. I guess I need more pointers.

post #2505 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Glad to test but can't seem to find the "search by channel" or "more" buttons. I guess I need more pointers.

Thanks Joe, much appreciated.
Go to Tivo.com, select the "Find TV shows" tab at the top of the page, then type the name of a multi-episode show in the "Search TV and movies" field (for example "Face Off") . Once you see the first page of episodes listed, click on the "more" button at the lower right corner, which should bring the second page of the list. Instead, it prompts a "Technical difficulties" message. Please let me know if you observe the same behavior.
post #2506 of 3301
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


Thanks Joe, much appreciated.
Go to Tivo.com, select the "Find TV shows" tab at the top of the page, then type the name of a multi-episode show in the "Search TV and movies" field (for example "Face Off") . Once you see the first page of episodes listed, click on the "more" button at the lower right corner, which should bring the second page of the list. Instead, it prompts a "Technical difficulties" message. Please let me know if you observe the same behavior.

Sorry, I could not make it fail under any conditions. BTW, your example of Face Off produced no results. I do have SyFy in my listings. Also, my TiVo name is displayed. I tried Criminal Minds but I don't have the CW in my listings so only tonight's show was found. The MORE button always gave an additional page of programs when it was displayed.

post #2507 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Sorry, I could not make it fail under any conditions. BTW, your example of Face Off produced no results. I do have SyFy in my listings. Also, my TiVo name is displayed. I tried Criminal Minds but I don't have the CW in my listings so only tonight's show was found. The MORE button always gave an additional page of programs when it was displayed.

Very interesting...
Would you mind checking one last thing? Starting on the "Find TV shows" page, select the "Browse by channel or category" tab at the bottom of the page, then select a channel (for example, CNN). It will show you today's listings. If you click on the "more" button, it should take you to tomorrow's listings, but in my case, it takes me back to the "Find TV shows" page.
Thanks again smile.gif
post #2508 of 3301
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


Very interesting...
Would you mind checking one last thing? Starting on the "Find TV shows" page, select the "Browse by channel or category" tab at the bottom of the page, then select a channel (for example, CNN). It will show you today's listings. If you click on the "more" button, it should take you to tomorrow's listings, but in my case, it takes me back to the "Find TV shows" page.
Thanks again smile.gif

That one I can duplicate.

post #2509 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

That one I can duplicate.

OK, thanks. I take it that you schedule your recordings on the Tivo itself?
I'll contact Tivo to see if they are aware of the problem.
post #2510 of 3301
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


OK, thanks. I take it that you schedule your recordings on the Tivo itself?
I'll contact Tivo to see if they are aware of the problem.

Always schedule on the TiVo. I found the TiVo web site to be up to a day ahead of the TiVo guide listings. You can't schedule a show that's not on the local TiVo so I gave up. I does read my TiVo, To Do List and SP without any problems. For some reason, my cutoff time is 7pm local. That's not very friendly.

Technical difficulties

We're sorry

We are having technical difficulties. Please try one of the following:

  • Go back and try again.
  • Visit us later and try again.

 

It's gone now, but I got that when selecting TV Listings Guide.


Edited by JoeKustra - 5/22/13 at 3:57pm
post #2511 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Always schedule on the TiVo. I found the TiVo web site to be up to a day ahead of the TiVo guide listings. You can't schedule a show that's not on the local TiVo so I gave up. I does read my TiVo, To Do List and SP without any problems. For some reason, my cutoff time is 7pm local. That's not very friendly.

Technical difficulties




We're sorry



We are having technical difficulties. Please try one of the following:
  • Go back and try again.
  • Visit us later and try again.


It's gone now, but I got that when selecting TV Listings Guide.

The error message that you displayed is exactly what I get when I search for a specific show, and hit the "more" button.
I should probably try the Tivo interface. Until now, I found that scheduling recordings on the website was convenient, because I did not need to be home to do it.
post #2512 of 3301
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


The error message that you displayed is exactly what I get when I search for a specific show, and hit the "more" button.
I should probably try the Tivo interface. Until now, I found that scheduling recordings on the website was convenient, because I did not need to be home to do it.

It's been my experience that the guide, if you use it for scheduling, is a bit frustrating. Just validate against Zap2It.com and you should be safe.

post #2513 of 3301
What up wit Dat?

I have three Premier XL's that I bought new and setup with no problems in January 2012. The Guide screen on all 3 currently looks like this:


I have one Premier XL (refurb) that I just bought 10 days ago and just setup yesterday. The Guide screen on it currently looks like this:


I've been through the Guided Setup twice. Each time many of the channel names/numbers appear in the Guide as shown in the second picture. I don't know why. I'm assuming that this is why the Guide won't populate with Listings?

Is there any way to confirm what "Guide Data" (by a database number or something) the working TiVo's are using, so that I can compare to the new TiVo and confirm that is the problem?

Are there any shortcuts to acquiring a fresh Guide besides running the whole Guided Setup again?

Anyone have any other ideas/experience as to what else may be causing this?

Note: The Network communication to this TiVo is working fine.
Edited by WS65711 - 5/24/13 at 5:32pm
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Next I would attempt a "Clear Program Information & To Do List" from the Restart or Reset System menu.
post #2515 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Next I would attempt a "Clear Program Information & To Do List" from the Restart or Reset System menu.

Is this in reply to me?

If so, what would you do first?
post #2516 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Next I would attempt a "Clear Program Information & To Do List" from the Restart or Reset System menu.
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Is this in reply to me?

If so, what would you do first?
Yes that was a reply to you.

If you are using a Tuning Adapter you might try swapping the TA with one of the properly working units

Then I would do the "Clear Program Information & To Do List" from the Restart or Reset System menu. This will wipe out any corrupt program and line-up info that may be left, and force a new channel line-up and program listings to populate. This procedure will not delete recordings or Season Passes.
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1267/

If that still does not work you might try a "Clear and Delete Everything" However if you still have the THX Video in the My Shows list, this will delete it along with all other recordings you may have along with Season Passes. and it will also require a Re-Pairing of the CableCARD.
Edited by Bryan_CoxPHX - 5/25/13 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


Is this in reply to me?

If so, what would you do first?

If I may, first I would check under System Information that you have an account status of 3, and TiVoToGo of a,a,a. Other information should look ok also. The Settings -> Network & Phone shows the last time and status of when your box talked to the TiVo server. If it's not recent, perform the Connect to the TiVo Service Now. This only takes a few minutes and the Last Time should update.

 

The channel lineup, like the DHG, comes from your cable card & zipcode. The mostly accurate listings come from TiVo (don't get me started).

post #2518 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

If you are using a Tuning Adapter you might try swapping the TA with one of the properly working units

Then I would do the "Clear Program Information & To Do List" from the Restart or Reset System menu. This will wipe out any corrupt program and line-up info that may be left, and force a new channel line-up and program listings to populate. This procedure will not delete recordings or Season Passes.
http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1267/

If that still does not work you might try a "Clear and Delete Everything" However if you still have the THX Video in the My Shows list, this will delete it along with all other recordings you may have along with Season Passes. and it will also require a Re-Pairing of the CableCARD.

I do have 4 tuning adapters to go with the 4 CableCards, but I've only ever taken two of them out of the box. The other two are still factory sealed. Nothing we really watch is SDV'd.

I'm running the "Clear Program Information & To Do List" right now to see if that fixes the problem. If not, I'll try the "Clear and Delete Everything". There are no recorded shows or SP's to lose as this box has only been hooked up for two days, and hasn't had a proper Guide yet. Some channels show correctly in the Guide (i.e. [704] "WWL-HD") but others show like the ones in my 2nd picture (i.e. [808] "(808)ESPN-HD"). All channels that show like 704 have Guide data, all that show like 808 do not.

Joe- I recall seeing the "a,a,a", but I forgot to check for the "3" before starting the Clear & Delete (which takes an hour).

Edit1: "Delete Everything" is running now. After the prior "Clear Program Information & To Do List" completed the channel 808 still looked the same as before in the Guide. Maybe this particular TiVo unit was sent back for a reason?

Edit2: I've answered my own question as posed in Edit1... Yes, there was a reason it was sent back to TiVo the first time. After doing the "Delete Everything" the TiVo apparently no longer has a MAC address... it is displayed as all zero's. The CableCard will no longer pair. The CableCard is still good, it works fine when I move it back to a DHG. I guess the POS refurb will have to go back to TiVo. Then I will buy a brand spankin' new one on Amazon if the seller that had some available a few weeks ago still has any. I don't know what kind of hoops I'll have to jump through to transfer the Lifetime to the new unit....

Edit3: Well... it all works now, but I have no idea why. When the CableCard wouldn't pair during Guided Setup (as mentioned in Edit2) I continued with the Guided Setup anyway. After it all finished The Guide looked correct smile.gif and all the cable channels would tune. Again, I don't know why or how, but I'm not complaining. I appears to be working fine now, and that's a whole lot better than having to send it back and start all over again....

Edit4: One thing I found a bit strange.. I use custom names for my TiVo's on the Network, and after the "Delete Everything" procedure was complete and I got back to the network setup section in Guided Setup it still already knew that I had called that TiVo "DVR4". I don't know where it stores that info, but obviously it had not been deleted. All the other network settings were gone however.

Thanks Bryan_CoxPHX smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
Edited by WS65711 - 5/25/13 at 10:48am
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WS I sort of have a similar problem but so far it has not been important to me. Remember I am OTA only. The reason it’s not important is that I am working on solving my Antenna issues etc.

Anyway in one of the tuner scans on the TiVo I picked up many new stations – around 20 new stations. This was about 4 weeks ago. Those stations still remain “To Be Announced” in the grid. Other than the “scan” I have done no other TiVo setup changes. Other than a few unplug\resets to get a DVR Diagnostic page back and unlock the “hung” signal meter.

Originally, when we first moved here we only got about 20 stations. With the new roof, and the initial antenna changes that went to about 60 stations. Currently it is about 70 stations out of a possible 84 stations. The issue I am working on is to get all the HD majors under all weather conditions; typically it seems I lose one major “here” while gaining another “there”. This is caused by a heavy dense forest (trees) and a major hill with several buildings on top.

So eventually I will be interested to see how you get rid of the “To Be Announced”.

I think you and Bryan are saying use the "Clear Program Information & To Do List" to solve this problem?
post #2520 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

So eventually I will be interested to see how you get rid of the “To Be Announced”.
I think you and Bryan are saying use the "Clear Program Information & To Do List" to solve this problem?

That didn't do it for me.. the "Delete Everything" did. But if you were to do that you would lose all the results of your multiple channel scans . . .
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