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post #2641 of 3305

DSL is always on, just like cable.

post #2642 of 3305
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Originally Posted by atmusky View Post

If someone doesn't have access to always on high speed Internet then I would not get a Premiere for OTA, I would pick up a used Series 3 with lifetime service on it for several reasons:
  1. To use the HD UI on the Premiere effectively it requires an always on high speed Internet connection.
  2. A used Series 3 has a modem built in and with lifetime will only cost $350+/-
  3. In some situations the Series 3 units tune OTA stations better than the Premiere.

What do you consider high speed? A premiere works perfectly fine at my GFs house with her slow 1.25Mb/s DSL connectin. It is only a fraction slower accessing guide info than at my place with my 150Mb/s FiOS connection.

So far, I have been able to pull in the same channels with an S4 as an S3 at my place and at my GFs place.
post #2643 of 3305
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

What do you consider high speed? A premiere works perfectly fine at my GFs house with her slow 1.25Mb/s DSL connectin. It is only a fraction slower accessing guide info than at my place with my 150Mb/s FiOS connection.

So far, I have been able to pull in the same channels with an S4 as an S3 at my place and at my GFs place.
I pretty much consider anything other than dial-up as "high speed". However the "always on" part is just as import as the high speed part. In my opinion there is no reason to buy a Premiere for OTA if you have to use dial-up, a used Series 3 makes more sense (at least to me).
post #2644 of 3305
The Tivo dial-up adapter/modem is currently ~$30 ... I don't know if you could just substitute a third party usb modem.

BTW ... the high-speed doesn't really need to be on *all* the time to use the HD menus, but if it's down long enough the Tivo will just complain that certain features (namely all the streaming related stuff) won't function until the internet connection is restored. As far as I can tell, it has to miss at least one of "VCM" connections (once every 2.5 to 3 hours) before it "panics."
post #2645 of 3305
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

The Tivo dial-up adapter/modem is currently ~$30 ... I don't know if you could just substitute a third party usb modem.

BTW ... the high-speed doesn't really need to be on *all* the time to use the HD menus, but if it's down long enough the Tivo will just complain that certain features (namely all the streaming related stuff) won't function until the internet connection is restored. As far as I can tell, it has to miss at least one of "VCM" connections (once every 2.5 to 3 hours) before it "panics."
If someone is looking to buy a TiVo DVR for OTA and needs to use dial up I would not by a Premiere. Using a Premiere with Dial up will get you basically nothing over a older Series 3 DVR and cost significantly more.
post #2646 of 3305
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Originally Posted by atmusky View Post

If someone is looking to buy a TiVo DVR for OTA and needs to use dial up I would not by a Premiere. Using a Premiere with Dial up will get you basically nothing over a older Series 3 DVR and cost significantly more.

OTOH, it would be new out of the box, with a fresh warranty that (IIRC) could be extended up to three years... All depends on how you prioritize your values.
post #2647 of 3305
I searched before posting this question.

Has anyone had this problem?

I have two Tivo Premieres. I want to use Tivo A to watch a recording stored on Tivo B. Both are running 20.3.1-01-2-746

Tivo A has parental controls turned on. Tivo B does not.

Tivo A uses a wireless N adapter to communicate to the home network, Tivo B is plugged into the network device via wired ethernet.

When attempting to view a show stored on Tivo B that is rated TV-Y, Tivo A prompts me for the parental control code anyway. If I do not supply it, the show "plays" but the screen is gray, as one might expect. If I do supply it, the show becomes visible but trick play is disabled and Tivo A is completely unresponsive to any remote inputs (making bip and bonk sounds only but not actually doing anything) until the show is finished playing all the way to the end. The only way to regain control of Tivo A sooner is to pull the power cord out of the back.

Any ideas? This behavior just started out of the blue a few weeks ago.
post #2648 of 3305
^^
We often watch shows on one TiVo that were recorded on another and haven't seen the problem you describe, but we don't have any parental controls set.
post #2649 of 3305
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

I searched before posting this question.

Has anyone had this problem?

I have two Tivo Premieres. I want to use Tivo A to watch a recording stored on Tivo B. Both are running 20.3.1-01-2-746

Tivo A has parental controls turned on. Tivo B does not.

Tivo A uses a wireless N adapter to communicate to the home network, Tivo B is plugged into the network device via wired ethernet.

When attempting to view a show stored on Tivo B that is rated TV-Y, Tivo A prompts me for the parental control code anyway. If I do not supply it, the show "plays" but the screen is gray, as one might expect. If I do supply it, the show becomes visible but trick play is disabled and Tivo A is completely unresponsive to any remote inputs (making bip and bonk sounds only but not actually doing anything) until the show is finished playing all the way to the end. The only way to regain control of Tivo A sooner is to pull the power cord out of the back.

Any ideas? This behavior just started out of the blue a few weeks ago.

Maybe a wireless issue? Have you tried plugging in TiVo A into the wired network? I seem to recall TiVo recommending wired only for streaming.
post #2650 of 3305
Recently, prices have been falling on the TIVO Premier XL4. Is this an indication that a new model is forthcoming?
post #2651 of 3305
Tivo runs regular sales so I would say not yet, but rumor is that the new models will come out this fall.
post #2652 of 3305
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Originally Posted by eric102 View Post

Maybe a wireless issue? Have you tried plugging in TiVo A into the wired network? I seem to recall TiVo recommending wired only for streaming.
I'll try some network level troubleshooting, but as I say the problem is new. At some point my network *was* able to do this fine. Still, might be worth resetting the router. Or even, as you suggest, finding a fifty foot ethernet cable and seeing if a wired connection changes the result.
post #2653 of 3305
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

I'll try some network level troubleshooting, but as I say the problem is new. At some point my network *was* able to do this fine. Still, might be worth resetting the router. Or even, as you suggest, finding a fifty foot ethernet cable and seeing if a wired connection changes the result.

While your WiFi network may not have changed, your neighbor may have added a new network or device that is now interfering with your WiFi.
post #2654 of 3305

If your router is set on auto for "channel," try setting it to channel to 1, 6 or 11. Ch. 6 made a huge diff. here.

post #2655 of 3305
Season Pass Manager has gone crazy again.

Currently showing about a dozen shows to be recorded as new. Problem is: They are not in the Grid and there are no such "new" shows. Examples: Person of Interest, NCIS (both of them), The Good Wife and several more.

SP went mad a few weeks ago, but if I recall it does fix itself in a day or two? Question is; why does it go mad?


Another Point or Question: There are several shows like Motive, ABC Lookout, etc. that are "new" but are not flagged as "new". It order for us to record Motive we have to mark it as "new & repeats" in SP. That does not work on ABC Lookout, it has to marked as "Everything". I have no idea why?

And

What is the difference between "new & repeats" and "everything" for SP recordings?
post #2656 of 3305
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Season Pass Manager has gone crazy again.

Currently showing about a dozen shows to be recorded as new. Problem is: They are not in the Grid and there are no such "new" shows. Examples: Person of Interest, NCIS (both of them), The Good Wife and several more.

SP went mad a few weeks ago, but if I recall it does fix itself in a day or two? Question is; why does it go mad?


Another Point or Question: There are several shows like Motive, ABC Lookout, etc. that are "new" but are not flagged as "new". It order for us to record Motive we have to mark it as "new & repeats" in SP. That does not work on ABC Lookout, it has to marked as "Everything". I have no idea why?

And

What is the difference between "new & repeats" and "everything" for SP recordings?

Easy part: Motive is from Canada like Continuum and Primeval. These are considered "not new" since they have an on air date over 28 days ago. TiVo runs on a lunar cycle.

 

Not so easy: I added a SP for the AMC show "The Killing" for "new only" starting tomorrow night. No problem. Then I checked my To Do List and is flagged to record tomorrow morning as a "new" showing even though it's a week old.

 

I gave up expecting accuracy. To get accuracy, use Zap2It.com. And I know that both guides have a TMS copyright. But I wonder. When I emailed Zap2It, a response from TMS was to "ask TiVo". Seriously.

post #2657 of 3305
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

What is the difference between "new & repeats" and "everything" for SP recordings?

To a TiVo, I believe "new" ("first-run") means the Original Air Date is today, or (if other things interfered) the OAD is within the past 28 days and the TiVo hasn't managed to record the episode yet. "Reruns" ("repeats") are shows that have aired before but not in the last 28 days, and which are not in My Shows (Now Playing List), or Recording History (I think). "Everything" means every showing, even if it's replayed several times in the same day like some PBS shows.
post #2658 of 3305
Ok, guys thanks for the explanations.

I assume my TiVo is just going through some weird adjustment period, with the SP Manager show many "new" shows to record that are not even on the air during the next two weeks.
post #2659 of 3305
I have a SP for Dan Rather Reports and I have recordings for 7 AM and 8 AM Monday thru Friday two weeks out as there is no description for the shows. I left the settings go until I approached that week and finally the data filled in and the recordings went away on their own. This seems to be the normal with this show. It is also doing this with Ice Road Truckers. It does the same thing on Zap2It web site which is owned by TMS. Ironically TMS tells Joe he should contact TiVo for his problem so I wonder if TiVo does anything to the guide data before it comes to us.
Some interesting things about how TiVo works. Lock under functions for how SP works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiVo
post #2660 of 3305
I searched and didn't find an answer to the following question...

I upgraded my Tivo Premiere to a 2 TB a month ago drive because I now get a lot more cable stations. When I was on basic cable I only occasionally recorded movies, but now I'm recording three or four movies a day. My hard drive is 40% full and I've approximately 50+ movies on my Tivo now and 'My Shows' has become unmanageable. It is going to be an absolute mess when I'm at 80% full.

Is there anything I can do to organize things? I've been using KMTTG to download the movies that are allowed to be copied. I've got vague ideas of changing the metadata so the Tivo will think they are episodes and this would allow it to put the movies in categories. But that is rather labor intensive, and only applies to about half the movies on the Tivo (the rest are copy protected).

Are any of you frustrated by the lack of the ability to organize your recordings? How do you deal with these long lists in My Shows? Is there anything else I could do?

TIA
post #2661 of 3305
Um? Season Pass Manager has still not fixed itself during the last 24-36 hours. It is still showing that it will be recording NEW shows for NCIS, NCIS Los Angeles, The Good Wife, and Elementary. Problem is there are no NEW shows for those programs.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?


This is about the third time over two months that I have seen my TiVo do this.
post #2662 of 3305
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Um? Season Pass Manager has still not fixed itself during the last 24-36 hours. It is still showing that it will be recording NEW shows for NCIS, NCIS Los Angeles, The Good Wife, and Elementary. Problem is there are no NEW shows for those programs.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?


This is about the third time over two months that I have seen my TiVo do this.

I just set a SP for NCIS. The guide still doesn't show "new". The SP was for "new only", all episodes and delete when space needed. The SP manager says no upcoming episodes. I usually delete a SP when a show dies or goes an haitus. I also kill the green thumbs up and have suggestions turned off, with SP shows sorted by day of week (my OCD). I'll let you know if something changes.

 

Maybe your TiVo has a problem with CBS? smile.gif

post #2663 of 3305
It may be related to the little “indexing” bug; that is Season Pass Manager still has that one “Blank” line about number 70 that will not delete.

The last time SP Manager did this strange thing it took about a day and a half to fix itself. Of course even though SP Manger shows these shows as “new” and “1” episode will record; they are not on the “to do lists”, the “grid”, or listed as “upcoming”.

I think SP manager is doing this each these shows come up as repeats about 12-13 days out and it take the box 1 to 2 days to really figure out they are not “new”.

Maybe by tomorrow it will fix itself?
post #2664 of 3305
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Easy part: Motive is from Canada like Continuum and Primeval. These are considered "not new" since they have an on air date over 28 days ago. TiVo runs on a lunar cycle.

Not so easy: I added a SP for the AMC show "The Killing" for "new only" starting tomorrow night. No problem. Then I checked my To Do List and is flagged to record tomorrow morning as a "new" showing even though it's a week old.

I gave up expecting accuracy. To get accuracy, use Zap2It.com. And I know that both guides have a TMS copyright. But I wonder. When I emailed Zap2It, a response from TMS was to "ask TiVo". Seriously.

If you read about the 28-day rule just posted you'd know why it was recording the week-old Killing ep, because it's still considered new with an OAD in that window of time. This is a good feature if not quite as intuitive as you want.
post #2665 of 3305
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

What is the difference between "new & repeats" and "everything" for SP recordings?

Everything means all instances of a show (including dupes), new and repeats won't record more than one copy of an ep. You pretty much never want everything.
post #2666 of 3305
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post


If you read about the 28-day rule just posted you'd know why it was recording the week-old Killing ep, because it's still considered new with an OAD in that window of time. This is a good feature if not quite as intuitive as you want.

It sounds like the TiVo decides what is new. The entry in the To Do List had the "new" icon.

post #2667 of 3305
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I searched and didn't find an answer to the following question...

I upgraded my Tivo Premiere to a 2 TB a month ago drive because I now get a lot more cable stations. When I was on basic cable I only occasionally recorded movies, but now I'm recording three or four movies a day. My hard drive is 40% full and I've approximately 50+ movies on my Tivo now and 'My Shows' has become unmanageable. It is going to be an absolute mess when I'm at 80% full.

Is there anything I can do to organize things? I've been using KMTTG to download the movies that are allowed to be copied. I've got vague ideas of changing the metadata so the Tivo will think they are episodes and this would allow it to put the movies in categories. But that is rather labor intensive, and only applies to about half the movies on the Tivo (the rest are copy protected).

Are any of you frustrated by the lack of the ability to organize your recordings? How do you deal with these long lists in My Shows? Is there anything else I could do?

TIA

I deal with it by getting around to watching what I have recorded! The TiVo is supposed to be used for watching programs on a delayed basis, not as an archive.

I archive a lot of movies by copying them to DVD and then copying the DVD content to hard drives on my PC. The result however is the loss of HD, but the quality is nonetheless quite good.

Yes, it would be nice to be able create a file folder to put unrelated content into one folder to tidy up things, but it's not possible. I think you are doing the best you can do.
post #2668 of 3305
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

I deal with it by getting around to watching what I have recorded! The TiVo is supposed to be used for watching programs on a delayed basis, not as an archive.
LOL... good advice. Thanks for the response.

I'm not actually thinking of archiving the movies. I'm just recording a lot more than I can watch. The problem is that with a 2 TB internal drive + a 2 TB external drive, the delayed basis might be many years in the future. I've still got the last season of Gunsmoke sitting on my Tivo waiting to be watched (just kidding... I've got the last season of Fringe).

My problem probably is that I've gone from Basic Cable with 7 local stations to Comcast preferred + premium content. Almost overnight I gone from next to no movies on cable to hundreds. I keep on seeing stuff that I might want to watch one day. Once the newness of the situation has worn off I'll probably stop recording so much.

As to creating DVDs from HD shows. There are somewhat involved (and time consuming) methods you could use to create AVCHD disks instead - this would allow you to keep them as HD. Let me know if you're interested.
post #2669 of 3305
If this new Tivo could play 1080p mkv movies that I download from the internet I would be tempted. mkbo
post #2670 of 3305
Current Tivo Premieres play 1080p mkv's just fine with pyTivo handling the transfers. Played plenty of them that way with no issues.
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