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post #2671 of 3301
Season Pass Manager Bug

Apparently the new software release a month or two ago, injected another new bug. That was about the time I first noticed this problem.

Programs that I have set up on SP as "new only", when they first show up 11 to 14 days out on the Grid, will show they are to be recorded via SP Manager, even though they are "repeat" shows. These same shows are not marked to be recorded in either the To Do Lists or in the Grid. So the programs are not really set up to record even though SP Manager says they are.

So far the programs affected are: Person of Interest, Elementary, The Good Wife, NCIS, and NCIS Los Angeles.

Once these shows come in under about 9-10 days out, they are finally removed (greyed out) from the record list in SP Manager. Perhaps SP Manager is meant to be buggy that far out in the grid? Unlikely, I guess.

Late yesterday Person of Interest and Elementary were removed. This morning The Good Wife and NCIS were removed. I would guess that late today or tomorrow the NCIS Los Angeles would be removed - greyed out.

Part of the Bug is that the TiVo programming logic does not recognize that other SP's already have both tuners set up to record other shows that are in fact "new" at those exact same times. It is like my TiVo has a secret third tuner; which of course it does not.

Since the SP Manager does over time (so far) correct itself, I suppose it is a non issue. But it does reflect its buggy-ness.
post #2672 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

Is there anything I can do to organize things? I've been using KMTTG to download the movies that are allowed to be copied. I've got vague ideas of changing the metadata so the Tivo will think they are episodes and this would allow it to put the movies in categories. But that is rather labor intensive, and only applies to about half the movies on the Tivo (the rest are copy protected).
If you mean organize the movies you have on the TiVo into folders -- I can't help you there.
However, for the movies you offload onto PC storage there is TiVo Desktop. When you have the TiVo desktop server running an entry appears in your TiVo's playlist to access the shared folder(s) on the server. You can create folders on the server and organize your movies and you will see that folder structure when you browse from the TiVo playlist.

kmttg is nice. I use it often for one-off transfers from the TiVo. But TiVo Desktop makes your server's storage an extension of the TiVo and integrates into the TiVo menu.
post #2673 of 3301
I have a strange issue, I deleted an episode of under the dome, it is gone but the listing is still in my recorded list and I cant delete it, any ideas??
post #2674 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Season Pass Manager Bug

Apparently the new software release a month or two ago, injected another new bug. That was about the time I first noticed this problem.

Programs that I have set up on SP as "new only", when they first show up 11 to 14 days out on the Grid, will show they are to be recorded via SP Manager, even though they are "repeat" shows. These same shows are not marked to be recorded in either the To Do Lists or in the Grid. So the programs are not really set up to record even though SP Manager says they are.

No Season Pass Manager BUG noticed here in New England
post #2675 of 3301
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Originally Posted by wingzz View Post

I have a strange issue, I deleted an episode of under the dome, it is gone but the listing is still in my recorded list and I cant delete it, any ideas??

I have found you can fix 90% of the world's problems with one action: reboot. In this case I would cycle the power when your unit is not recording. Some think this is dangerous. I perform a power cycle monthly. With a UPS this is my choice.

post #2676 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Season Pass Manager Bug

Apparently the new software release a month or two ago, injected another new bug. That was about the time I first noticed this problem.

Programs that I have set up on SP as "new only", when they first show up 11 to 14 days out on the Grid, will show they are to be recorded via SP Manager, even though they are "repeat" shows. These same shows are not marked to be recorded in either the To Do Lists or in the Grid. So the programs are not really set up to record even though SP Manager says they are.

So far the programs affected are: Person of Interest, Elementary, The Good Wife, NCIS, and NCIS Los Angeles.

Once these shows come in under about 9-10 days out, they are finally removed (greyed out) from the record list in SP Manager. Perhaps SP Manager is meant to be buggy that far out in the grid? Unlikely, I guess.

Late yesterday Person of Interest and Elementary were removed. This morning The Good Wife and NCIS were removed. I would guess that late today or tomorrow the NCIS Los Angeles would be removed - greyed out.

Part of the Bug is that the TiVo programming logic does not recognize that other SP's already have both tuners set up to record other shows that are in fact "new" at those exact same times. It is like my TiVo has a secret third tuner; which of course it does not.

Since the SP Manager does over time (so far) correct itself, I suppose it is a non issue. But it does reflect its buggy-ness.

I have the same problem with Ice Road Truckers and Dan Rather Reports. All my SP's are NEW only but the problem here is the shows have no description two weeks out so SP has them set to record until the listings get updated and a description for the show is established. Once a description shows up the show is deleted automatically from my To Do List. I have been using a TiVo for 3 weeks now so I do not know if this is normal or this is some type of change with the guide data that occurred right before the 4th of July.

I will be interested in seeing how the TiVo is going to record the Good Wife this fall as the Sunday CBS shows are usually delayed because of sports. Sunday night is my heaviest recording time of the week as almost all of the shows I watch are on between 9 PM to 11 PM. My second Premiere 4 will be here today so I will have 8 tuners available to record. I was recording 3 shows at 10 PM last night and watching another. I could never do that with my old setup.
post #2677 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

.... I will be interested in seeing how the TiVo is going to record the Good Wife this fall as the Sunday CBS shows are usually delayed because of sports. Sunday night is my heaviest recording time of the week as almost all of the shows I watch are on between 9 PM to 11 PM. My second Premiere 4 will be here today so I will have 8 tuners available to record. I was recording 3 shows at 10 PM last night and watching another. I could never do that with my old setup.

You will still have some problems with CBS on Sunday night. We always record Amazing Race as well as The Mentalist on Sunday nights (your Good Wife show falls in between them). I always pad Amazing Race and The Mentalist to record an hour past the "normal" ending time. However, I have noticed this past season that many times the TiVo schedule would do a late update to have 60-Minutes ending at 7:30 (Central) instead of 7:00. In that case, my extra hour of recording time was waaaay overkill.
post #2678 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I have the same problem with Ice Road Truckers and Dan Rather Reports. All my SP's are NEW only but the problem here is the shows have no description two weeks out so SP has them set to record until the listings get updated and a description for the show is established. Once a description shows up the show is deleted automatically from my To Do List. I have been using a TiVo for 3 weeks now so I do not know if this is normal or this is some type of change with the guide data that occurred right before the 4th of July.

This behavior is normal and has been around for years, so again it's nothing to get concerned about. Every once in a while the show description never gets updated and Tivo will record it, but you'll know it's bogus if you keep track of when first-run shows normally air (or just look at the episode description in your now playing).
post #2679 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

You will still have some problems with CBS on Sunday night. We always record Amazing Race as well as The Mentalist on Sunday nights (your Good Wife show falls in between them). I always pad Amazing Race and The Mentalist to record an hour past the "normal" ending time. However, I have noticed this past season that many times the TiVo schedule would do a late update to have 60-Minutes ending at 7:30 (Central) instead of 7:00. In that case, my extra hour of recording time was waaaay overkill.

I used the DHG to record the Good Wife last fall as I was able to get WHP HD out of Harrisburg using a Lava antenna set up in my back bedroom. Of course this idea got wiped out by Rovi. I was viewing one program live with my cablecard tv and then recording two programs with the cable company DVR and the Good Wife with the DHG. Sunday was my four remote night but this year it will be a one remote night or two if I decide I want to listen in surround sound. I will probably pad the Good Wife ending time by one to two hours.
post #2680 of 3301
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

This behavior is normal and has been around for years, so again it's nothing to get concerned about. Every once in a while the show description never gets updated and Tivo will record it, but you'll know it's bogus if you keep track of when first-run shows normally air (or just look at the episode description in your now playing).

Thanks! My plan is to keep all the recordings for each SP and then delete them all after the season ends. This way if I do get a bogus recording it will be easy to see it in the list. I may get my first bogus recording with Ice Road Truckers on Tuesday night as I seen it still listed in my To Do List. It still has no description.
post #2681 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I will be interested in seeing how the TiVo is going to record the Good Wife this fall as the Sunday CBS shows are usually delayed because of sports.
During football season, I always pad a Sunday night CBS show with 1 hr extra recording time. The games always run late and I have never seen that reflected in a guide update prior to the recording event firing. I have always needed the extra padding for CBS.
post #2682 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post


I used the DHG to record the Good Wife last fall as I was able to get WHP HD out of Harrisburg using a Lava antenna set up in my back bedroom. Of course this idea got wiped out by Rovi. I was viewing one program live with my cablecard tv and then recording two programs with the cable company DVR and the Good Wife with the DHG. Sunday was my four remote night but this year it will be a one remote night or two if I decide I want to listen in surround sound. I will probably pad the Good Wife ending time by one to two hours.

Imagine a future where programs have unique identifiers that make it possible for a recording to be made no matter what the "offset" becomes. Imagine ... stuff that works for you.

post #2683 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

.... The games always run lateB and I have never seen that reflected in a guide update prior to the recording event firing . . .

I have seen the start time for the Sunday night 7:00 (Central) show shift to 7:30 a number of times. I don't know exactly when it shifts, but it's sometime within an hour or so before 7:00. Maybe it's only possible for them to do this for the Central and more westerly time zones?
post #2684 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Season Pass Manager Bug

Apparently the new software release a month or two ago, injected another new bug. That was about the time I first noticed this problem.

Programs that I have set up on SP as "new only", when they first show up 11 to 14 days out on the Grid, will show they are to be recorded via SP Manager, even though they are "repeat" shows. These same shows are not marked to be recorded in either the To Do Lists or in the Grid. So the programs are not really set up to record even though SP Manager says they are.

HP, why are you trying to use the SP Manager to see if something is going to record? That's certainly not its primary purpose. smile.gif As you noted, the To Do List and the Grid are the only places that show an actual schedule. You're seeing "bugs" where they don't exist. eek.gif
post #2685 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post


HP, why are you trying to use the SP Manager to see if something is going to record? That's certainly not its primary purpose. smile.gif As you noted, the To Do List and the Grid are the only places that show an actual schedule. You're seeing "bugs" where they don't exist. eek.gif

Good point. We have enough bugs already. tongue.gif

post #2686 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

I have seen the start time for the Sunday night 7:00 (Central) show shift to 7:30 a number of times. I don't know exactly when it shifts, but it's sometime within an hour or so before 7:00. Maybe it's only possible for them to do this for the Central and more westerly time zones?
I record a 2 hr block for The Mentalist on Sunday night and before that, CSI Miami. During football season I don't think I have ever had a recording of those shows that did not start with at least 1/2 hr of The Good Wife as a lead in.
post #2687 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

HP, why are you trying to use the SP Manager to see if something is going to record? That's certainly not its primary purpose. smile.gif As you noted, the To Do List and the Grid are the only places that show an actual schedule. You're seeing "bugs" where they don't exist. eek.gif

I do not use it as the primary purpose. I use the SP Manager primarily for “prioritizing” programs for SP recordings.

The reason it got my attention is that SP Manager was telling these “new” programs were going to record when there were not any. That is bad data presented.

Often SP Manager will indicate something like 2 will record and 2 conflict etc. It this case(s) it was showing 1 upcoming will record; which was a false statement.

It’s just a software bug, nothing more nothing less.
post #2688 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

It’s just a software bug, nothing more nothing less.

Here's one for your strange things list. The Canadian program Motive is one of those delayed programs that don't show as "new" on the TiVo. When the first episode was due to air I tried to get a SP for "new only" and (of course) discovered it failed. So I used the guide to set a recording.

 

After the first week I decided to delete it from the TiVo and use the DHG to make a manual recording. The DHG is not very busy right now. That worked for a month and this morning I have Motive on my To Do List (the last entry) with one blue check mark. Gremlins?

post #2689 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Here's one for your strange things list.....

My local NBC station appears in 3 places on my TiVo Guide.. Ch-6 (Digital Cable), Ch-6.1 (OTA HD), and Ch-706 (HD on Cable). Sunday afternoon I happened to notice that "Dateline" showed without the "New" indicator on the Guide for Ch-6, whereas Ch-6.1 did have the "New" indicator. Looking at the program description for Ch-6, it showed no specific details other than saying "first aired in 1992". I checked the program description for Ch-6.1 and it showed all the proper details including "first aired 7/14/2013". I didn't think to check Ch-706 to see what details it had for the show. I don't know if this happens often, but I had never noticed it before. 99.999% of my recording is on HD channels . . .
post #2690 of 3301
There is no question the SP and dual tuners are a major advantage over the DHG.

But the TiVo does require a little more stewardship on my part than the DHG because the Guide data is not as clean and accurate as the DHG (TVGOS). Part of that is simply because SP, and to a lesser extent Wishlist, does what the DHG could not AND there are two tuners not one.

If TiVo could “clean up” Guide/Program data that could help a lot.

Also TiVo could do a lot better at getting last minute program changes in place before recording time; at least make them as current as the same day of the scheduled recording just like the TVGOS did.
post #2691 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


My local NBC station appears in 3 places on my TiVo Guide.. Ch-6 (Digital Cable), Ch-6.1 (OTA HD), and Ch-706 (HD on Cable). Sunday afternoon I happened to notice that "Dateline" showed without the "New" indicator on the Guide for Ch-6, whereas Ch-6.1 did have the "New" indicator. Looking at the program description for Ch-6, it showed no specific details other than saying "first aired in 1992". I checked the program description for Ch-6.1 and it showed all the proper details including "first aired 7/14/2013". I didn't think to check Ch-706 to see what details it had for the show. I don't know if this happens often, but I had never noticed it before. 99.999% of my recording is on HD channels . . .

Dateline shows as new on Zap2It for my three NBC feeds (2 different SD and one HD). On the TiVo none are marked as new. Titantv.com and tvguide.com both flag it as new. The web sites have no descriptions. But things could change by Friday.

post #2692 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

Season Pass Manager Bug

Apparently the new software release a month or two ago, injected another new bug. That was about the time I first noticed this problem.

Programs that I have set up on SP as "new only", when they first show up 11 to 14 days out on the Grid, will show they are to be recorded via SP Manager, even though they are "repeat" shows. These same shows are not marked to be recorded in either the To Do Lists or in the Grid. So the programs are not really set up to record even though SP Manager says they are.

So far the programs affected are: Person of Interest, Elementary, The Good Wife, NCIS, and NCIS Los Angeles.

Once these shows come in under about 9-10 days out, they are finally removed (greyed out) from the record list in SP Manager. Perhaps SP Manager is meant to be buggy that far out in the grid? Unlikely, I guess.

Late yesterday Person of Interest and Elementary were removed. This morning The Good Wife and NCIS were removed. I would guess that late today or tomorrow the NCIS Los Angeles would be removed - greyed out.

Part of the Bug is that the TiVo programming logic does not recognize that other SP's already have both tuners set up to record other shows that are in fact "new" at those exact same times. It is like my TiVo has a secret third tuner; which of course it does not.

Since the SP Manager does over time (so far) correct itself, I suppose it is a non issue. But it does reflect its buggy-ness.

I only have an SP for NCIS on that list but I have not had any problems with that SP. I ahve an SP on an Elite and an OTA only Premiere. I have it for new only and they have not recorded any episodes since the season finale.

The only shows I've had issues with are some of these canadian shows, like Primeval, Lost Girl, Continuum etc, but that is only becasue they have aired in Canada already so it will not record them if set on new only. I need to set the for new and repeats.
post #2693 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I only have an SP for NCIS on that list but I have not had any problems with that SP. I ahve an SP on an Elite and an OTA only Premiere. I have it for new only and they have not recorded any episodes since the season finale.

The only shows I've had issues with are some of these canadian shows, like Primeval, Lost Girl, Continuum etc, but that is only becasue they have aired in Canada already so it will not record them if set on new only. I need to set the for new and repeats.

The problem Houston person is having is the same as mine. The shows he has in his SP has no description for the episodes so the SP schedules them to record. As the date approaches the show may get a description and is then automatically removed from SP To Do List. In my case my SP has Ice Road Truckers to record tonight at 11 PM because it has no description. On Zap2Its website it has the same thing:

Ice Road Truckers

(First Aired: Jun. 17, 2007)

Long-haul truckers risk their lives to bring supplies to remote locations.
HD
CC
TV-14 (L)
11:02 - 12:01 AM History HD (553)

If that description does not change then SP will record the episode. I have the same thing occurring with Dan Rather Reports.

The problem lies with Tribune Media Services, which owns Zap2It. Tribune recently exited bankruptcy and is in the hands of its creditors. I suspect that the creditors are making changes to the TMS division. Worst case scenario, they maybe eliminating costs as they maybe putting TMS up for sale. The major weak point that TiVo has is it is extremely dependent on timely and accurate listings data. If the data is vague, incomplete, or missing then it can mess up SP recordings.
post #2694 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post


Also TiVo could do a lot better at getting last minute program changes in place before recording time; at least make them as current as the same day of the scheduled recording just like the TVGOS did.

I'm not sure why you think it's not as good as it should be, because Tivo has been very good at handling last-minute changes for me. It's way better than WMC, frex.
post #2695 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post


The problem lies with Tribune Media Services, which owns Zap2It. Tribune recently exited bankruptcy and is in the hands of its creditors. I suspect that the creditors are making changes to the TMS division. Worst case scenario, they maybe eliminating costs as they maybe putting TMS up for sale. The major weak point that TiVo has is it is extremely dependent on timely and accurate listings data. If the data is vague, incomplete, or missing then it can mess up SP recordings.

Your speculation is incorrect, because as I said before this is a known problem with guide data going back years. It's nothing new and mostly affects cable shows (not network). It's even worse on WMC.

You are also taking this stuff way too seriously, it's not a big deal to delete these - if it bothers you that much, go to TCF and search for Tupper method to create ARWLs to prevent this from happening for any show you want. It's more of a pain in the butt to setup but will ensure you never get shows with generic descriptions recorded.
post #2696 of 3301
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

this is a known problem with guide data going back years. It's nothing new and mostly affects cable shows (not network). It's even worse on WMC.
Good to know because I have been using TiVo for over 4 yr for OTA only and don't have any of these issues. I have over 20 SP set up for shows we have recorded for years and once the season ends, it stops recording and ignores all the re-runs. Once the new season starts it picks up where it left off.
post #2697 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Good to know because I have been using TiVo for over 4 yr for OTA only and don't have any of these issues. I have over 20 SP set up for shows we have recorded for years and once the season ends, it stops recording and ignores all the re-runs. Once the new season starts it picks up where it left off.
+1 except I have over 40 SP's(many britcoms on PBS that I don't know if anymore episodes will ever come back) and mine has never missed a first run program smile.gif
I wish everything worked as good as my Tivo, I'd be way happy wink.gif
post #2698 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

The problem Houston person is having is the same as mine. The shows he has in his SP has no description for the episodes so the SP schedules them to record. As the date approaches the show may get a description and is then automatically removed from SP To Do List. In my case my SP has Ice Road Truckers to record tonight at 11 PM because it has no description. On Zap2Its website it has the same thing:

Ice Road Truckers

(First Aired: Jun. 17, 2007)

Long-haul truckers risk their lives to bring supplies to remote locations.
HD
CC
TV-14 (L)
11:02 - 12:01 AM History HD (553)

If that description does not change then SP will record the episode. I have the same thing occurring with Dan Rather Reports.

The problem lies with Tribune Media Services, which owns Zap2It. Tribune recently exited bankruptcy and is in the hands of its creditors. I suspect that the creditors are making changes to the TMS division. Worst case scenario, they maybe eliminating costs as they maybe putting TMS up for sale. The major weak point that TiVo has is it is extremely dependent on timely and accurate listings data. If the data is vague, incomplete, or missing then it can mess up SP recordings.

I have an SP for Ice RoadTruckers. I'm not sure what I have it set for, but it's been recording the new epsiodes every Sunday night at 10PM like it should.
post #2699 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

+1 except I have over 40 SP's(many britcoms on PBS that I don't know if anymore episodes will ever come back) and mine has never missed a first run program smile.gif
I wish everything worked as good as my Tivo, I'd be way happy wink.gif
I guess life is much simpler when you are OTA.
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