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post #2761 of 3301
I have TiVo Desktop running 24x7 on my media-PC. While it is true that TiVo --> PC transfers have to be initiated at the PC, you can set up auto-transfers in TiVo Desktop so that a series episode will start to transfer to the PC on its own as soon as it finishes recording. You can check that it has completed transfer from the TiVo then delete the copy on the TiVo. I do this for series that I don't want to watch during the season but would rather collect the season and watch as a block with no delays or 3 month hiatus in the middle of the season. I'm doing that with Under The Dome now.
post #2762 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Kttmg is another option, but I believe it requires a DLL from TiVo to function?

It sets up extremely easy and is as good or better than TiVo desktop and it's free.
post #2763 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

It sets up extremely easy and is as good or better than TiVo desktop and it's free.
I like kmttg. I use it on occasion for one-off TiVo-->PC transfers.
kmttg is a very nice transfer program.
TiVo Desktop is a TiVo server.
post #2764 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Jed -

I believe that I read somewhere that the TiVo's will record only to the internal drive, not to a drive connected via usb to the TiVo. But I have no first-hand experience with this.

If you load the Tivo desktop software you can transfer from the TiVo to your computer, but the transfer must be initiated at the computer end. The free version is no longer available from TiVo, but I can put it on my webspace if you need it.

You probably won't be able to transfer from the TiVo to your router/drive, since the transfer must be initiated at the receiving end not the source end. Even "between TiVo's", the transfer must be initiated at the receiving TiVo.

Thanks. I did manage to do some transfers between the two Tivo's. I did find out that the Welcome to TiVo video that you get when you first hook up your TiVo will not transfer. I figure I would use that as a test file but its a no go.
post #2765 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

You are correct in that the only external drive supported is the eSATA WD My Book. I used one for a while but there was a problem with finding it sometimes. I decided to go the Desktop route. My unit is an older Premiere. There are other TiVo friendly programs like kmttg. My WNDR4000 also has a USB drive that can be accessed as a DNLA server but the TiVo doesn't see it. My TV and Blu-ray see it.

I use the Desktop program on my my Win7 laptop and store programs on a WD FreeAgent 1TB drive. I have about 99% success and the transfer rate is about 3:1. Or, a 1 hour 1080i program takes about 20 minutes.

Joe, is your drive hooked to your laptop or your router and could you transfer from the TiVo right to your external drive or do you have to transfer it to your laptop first?
post #2766 of 3301
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

That's a Premiere, not a Series 4, the subject of my original post and the unit Pd1 said he has! rolleyes.gif
It's a Premiere 4. All Premieres are a Series 4 TiVos. And Series 4 TiVos are comprised of these models.
TiVo Premiere
TiVo Premiere 4
TiVo Premiere XL4(previously called a Premiere Elite)

The TiVo Premiere is a two tuner model that can also record from OTA as well as cable.

EDIT: redface.gif I guess I'm a little late with this. doH!!
post #2767 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post


Joe, is your drive hooked to your laptop or your router and could you transfer from the TiVo right to your external drive or do you have to transfer it to your laptop first?

The drive is connected to the laptop like any other USB drive. The Desktop lets you specify where to store the files, so they go right to the USB drive. I have learned that Desktop will revert to its default storage location if I remove the external drive and reboot the laptop. Like was posted, it's a simple server program and at the right price. The kmttg program does much more and I only use it to check the bit rate of recorded show. The router doesn't have any USB device connected but still shows up as an audio & video source. I could turn off the feature but it's not hurting anything. Neither my laptop or desktop have WMP running. I sometimes enable it on the desktop to copy or backup a CD. The Blu-ray does a really good job and I like to keep things simple. I'm not big on keeping my eggs in one basket.

 

Observing the network activity, the slowest part is moving data from the TiVo to the laptop. Tivo is wireless N and the laptop is on the switch at 100mbs. It's an old laptop that I upgraded from Vista to Win7.

post #2768 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The drive is connected to the laptop like any other USB drive. The Desktop lets you specify where to store the files, so they go right to the USB drive. I have learned that Desktop will revert to its default storage location if I remove the external drive and reboot the laptop. Like was posted, it's a simple server program and at the right price. The kmttg program does much more and I only use it to check the bit rate of recorded show. The router doesn't have any USB device connected but still shows up as an audio & video source. I could turn off the feature but it's not hurting anything. Neither my laptop or desktop have WMP running. I sometimes enable it on the desktop to copy or backup a CD. The Blu-ray does a really good job and I like to keep things simple. I'm not big on keeping my eggs in one basket.

Thanks Joe. I just spent the last hour looking for where I stored the free version of TiVo desktop on my computer. I had a folder specifically set up for all TiVo info but the desktop wasn't there. I finally found it as I left it in the download folder on both of my computers. Duh!eek.gif I wonder if I can have TiVo desktop running at the same time on two computers?
post #2769 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I wonder if I can have TiVo desktop running at the same time on two computers?

Yes
post #2770 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post


Thanks Joe. I just spent the last hour looking for where I stored the free version of TiVo desktop on my computer. I had a folder specifically set up for all TiVo info but the desktop wasn't there. I finally found it as I left it in the download folder on both of my computers. Duh!eek.gif I wonder if I can have TiVo desktop running at the same time on two computers?

Here's a funny story. My sister "let" me cleanup her laptop yesterday. She goes to various fast food places for wifi since she will be going back to FL soon. I found that the bar across the street has free wifi (g). It's only on when they are open. Win7 shows a speed of 1mbs. I guess after a few beers you can't tell how slow that is.

post #2771 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Yes
Thanks. I just set it up on my back up computer and will do it on my main computer tomorrow. Both TiVos now see my back up computer.
post #2772 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Here's a funny story. My sister "let" me cleanup her laptop yesterday. She goes to various fast food places for wifi since she will be going back to FL soon. I found that the bar across the street has free wifi (g). It's only on when they are open. Win7 shows a speed of 1mbs. I guess after a few beers you can't tell how slow that is.
Nothing like a back up internet connection if yours goes down. I wonder if they monitor who is on their internet. I do not have my wireless set up in my netgear router as I have hard wired internet through out my home. The netgear we let me see if anybody is accessing my wifi if it is turned on and will let me block them. I guess the name on their internet is Linksys?

Forgot to mention I got TiVo desktop running on my back up computer. So far all is good. I have to start up my external drive again and see if I can access it for storage through my router.
post #2773 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post


Nothing like a back up internet connection if yours goes down. I wonder if they monitor who is on their internet. I do not have my wireless set up in my netgear router as I have hard wired internet through out my home. The netgear we let me see if anybody is accessing my wifi if it is turned on and will let me block them. I guess the name on their internet is Linksys?

Forgot to mention I got TiVo desktop running on my back up computer. So far all is good. I have to start up my external drive again and see if I can access it for storage through my router.

Nope. SSID is "Dorkos". I get a pretty good signal. I do get a few others. One must be my neighbor since it is a strong signal. No, I don't have my guest account active or use WEP.

 

There may be info on using the Netgear with a TiVo on the Netgear website.

post #2774 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

Kmttg is another option, but I believe it requires a DLL from TiVo to function?
No, all it requires is a PC that can run Java - Windows, Linux, OSX etc.
post #2775 of 3301
Hello all, I am new to these forums. I just purchased a tivo premier series4. I had a trial offer with the subscription but about a week later I cancelled. The only options I am interested in using is the recording to dvr function. I figured paying 15.00 montly was just too much for just having the ability to record so I canceled the subscription. After cancellation, I decided to do a test record to see if I could manully record without the subscription. It turns out its letting me do this. I don't know if this is just temporay or not. I just canceled today and the csr for tivo said the cancellation is immediate. To anyone that has a series 4 premier, has anyone tried to record shows without a subscription and how well did it go?? When I first got the subscription, another csr for tivo said there was absolutely no way to record (even manually) without a subscription.
post #2776 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

Hello all, I am new to these forums. I just purchased a tivo premier series4. I had a trial offer with the subscription but about a week later I cancelled. The only options I am interested in using is the recording to dvr function. I figured paying 15.00 montly was just too much for just having the ability to record so I canceled the subscription. After cancellation, I decided to do a test record to see if I could manully record without the subscription. It turns out its letting me do this. I don't know if this is just temporay or not. I just canceled today and the csr for tivo said the cancellation is immediate. To anyone that has a series 4 premier, has anyone tried to record shows without a subscription and how well did it go?? When I first got the subscription, another csr for tivo said there was absolutely no way to record (even manually) without a subscription.
Another question I have is, without being hooked up to the internet, will the clock slowly drift off?? Or if I have to unplug the tivi for any length of time, will the clcok be wrong??
post #2777 of 3301
Once the TiVo realises that it no longer has a subscription, it should disable your ability to record completely. It doesn't matter whether the clock is correct; cancelling the service turns your TiVo into a glorified tuner/doorstop whose only feature is the ability to pause live TV (IIRC). Only series 1 (and 2?) TiVos allow VCR-style operation without a subscription.
post #2778 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

Hello all, I am new to these forums. I just purchased a tivo premier series4. I had a trial offer with the subscription but about a week later I cancelled. The only options I am interested in using is the recording to dvr function. I figured paying 15.00 montly was just too much for just having the ability to record so I canceled the subscription. After cancellation, I decided to do a test record to see if I could manully record without the subscription. It turns out its letting me do this. I don't know if this is just temporay or not. I just canceled today and the csr for tivo said the cancellation is immediate. To anyone that has a series 4 premier, has anyone tried to record shows without a subscription and how well did it go?? When I first got the subscription, another csr for tivo said there was absolutely no way to record (even manually) without a subscription.

 

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Another question I have is, without being hooked up to the internet, will the clock slowly drift off?? Or if I have to unplug the tivi for any length of time, will the clcok be wrong?

This may or may not be related. When I first bought my unit I didn't have a cable card. I was able to make manual recordings but I would get frequent warnings that my recording was not on the guide. You will lose the guide without the service and you may get the messages. I can't answer the clock question.

 

To check your service, use the TiVo button, Settings & Messages, Account & System Info, System Information. This will show your account status. To check your last update or network connection, check Settings, Network. I'm not sure what you will see for a service disconnection.

post #2779 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

I just purchased a tivo premier series4. I had a trial offer with the subscription but about a week later I cancelled. The only options I am interested in using is the recording to dvr function. I figured paying 15.00 montly was just too much for just having the ability to record so I canceled the subscription. After cancellation, I decided to do a test record to see if I could manully record without the subscription. It turns out its letting me do this. I don't know if this is just temporay or not. I just canceled today and the csr for tivo said the cancellation is immediate. To anyone that has a series 4 premier, has anyone tried to record shows without a subscription and how well did it go?? When I first got the subscription, another csr for tivo said there was absolutely no way to record (even manually) without a subscription.

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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

Another question I have is, without being hooked up to the internet, will the clock slowly drift off?? Or if I have to unplug the tivi for any length of time, will the clcok be wrong??
When the TiVo calls home, part of the data that is delivered is the account status and whether or not you are a customer in good standing. Once the TiVo knows you are delinquent it will shut you down.

Last year we lost phone/Internet service at the beginning of a Verizon strike so the outage continued nearly 4 weeks -- during that time my TiVo could not connect with the service. Here is what happened -- I am OTA: Season pass recordings continued to execute based on dwindling guide data. After 13 days, I ran out of guide data so the season passes no longer functioned -- however my channel list was still intact and I could schedule recordings by date/time/channel. And yes, the clock does drift. The clock assumes it will be reset daily so the clock circuitry is not designed to hold a stable and accurate time over the long haul.

So before we lost connectivity, the account was listed as in good standing and even though there was no connectivity to continually verify that status, the unit continued to be functional for recording. In your case, you were on a trial offer and so that was probably reflected in your status. I'm also going to assume you did not pull the network line to your TiVo before you canceled so it has probably already called home and received your updated account status. You will probably be allowed to run to the end of your trial period before being cut off.
post #2780 of 3301
I did pull the network line before canceling so in theory, the tivo believes it still has a subscription. I have done research on other forums and found out that others have used the manual recording for months and they said the only issue is the clock drifting. That is my only concern, if the power went out or I had o unplug for whatever reason then the lock would be way off.
post #2781 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

I did pull the network line before canceling so in theory, the tivo believes it still has a subscription. I have done research on other forums and found out that others have used the manual recording for months and they said the only issue is the clock drifting. That is my only concern, if the power went out or I had o unplug for whatever reason then the lock would be way off.
Well this should be interesting. If you pulled the network line then the TiVo may just keep on going. The only flaw could be if they have a special status for a trial subscription -- it may be set to expire at some point.

Let us know what happens in the coming weeks. And yes, there is no way to manually set the clock so you are at the mercy of the power company.
post #2782 of 3301
I must say, why in the world did you buy the Premiere knowing that you would have to soon have to start paying the monthly fee that you think is not worth it? And, why keep it now? At the very best it is going to be a lousy device.
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My experience was a little different however it's been a while so my memory might be incorrect or I didn't try x at the time. I had two Premieres that I never subbed. Rather, I ran their setup and yanked the network plug (at the start of the 7-day trial period). Both didn't update so I could still use trick play. However after x days they knew they hadn't called home and refused to do anything. That is anything outside of scrolling through the channels and trick play. I thought even trying to bring the menu up it complained and wanted me to connect so I couldn't schedule a recording. Perhaps this is where I'm off base... but I do remember it complaining big time. smile.gif

post #2784 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

I must say, why in the world did you buy the Premiere knowing that you would have to soon have to start paying the monthly fee that you think is not worth it? And, why keep it now? At the very best it is going to be a lousy device.

THAT WAS MY THOUGHT ALSO. - if you can not pay you can not play.

Three Cheers for bringing it up smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #2785 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

I must say, why in the world did you buy the Premiere knowing that you would have to soon have to start paying the monthly fee that you think is not worth it? And, why keep it now? At the very best it is going to be a lousy device.

Why pay 15.00 a month just to be able to record a show/movie. I do not/need all the extras that some might like. I only want the dvr feature that allows it to record, just like what a vcr does, thats it, and I don't feel that I should have to pay a service for that.The reason I might keep it is if I can continue to record manually or not. This morning, I did unplug the tivo for about 4 hours and when I plugged it back in, the time was correct, I'm just wondering if this will keep for the upcoming months or if it is still going off of the last connection to tivo central, too early to tell. And about Charles comment about it complaining, it does say at the top that there is a problem with the connection, please check, I just ignore it. I am still getting upcoming programming, probably because its only been a day since canceling the service, I am wondering if this also could be the reason why the clock is still correct also?? If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be greatly appreciated.
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I couldn't imagine going back to how a VCR records. It was bad enough in the 80's and 90's. But in 2013 there is no way I could do it.
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Any comments to:

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To check your service, use the TiVo button, Settings & Messages, Account & System Info, System Information. This will show your account status. To check your last update or network connection, check Settings, Network. I'm not sure what you will see for a service disconnection.

"

But with no internet connection it's hard to speculate what will last forever and what will eventually expire.

 

You may find that TiVo is not really chatty about how things work. But there is the other place:

 

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=67

 

Perhaps you will get answers there.

 

For more DVR type selections:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1460149/updated-list-of-consumer-available-dvrs-in-the-us/0_50


Edited by JoeKustra - 7/29/13 at 1:59pm
post #2788 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I couldn't imagine going back to how a VCR records. It was bad enough in the 80's and 90's. But in 2013 there is no way I could do it.

WELL SAID smile.gif
post #2789 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

Why pay 15.00 a month just to be able to record a show/movie. I do not/need all the extras that some might like. I only want the dvr feature that allows it to record, just like what a vcr does, thats it, and I don't feel that I should have to pay a service for that.
If this is all you wanted, then you bought the wrong device. There are DVRs specifically designed to operate the way a VCR does without a subscription fee, and those DVRs provide ways to set their clocks. TiVo is not one of them.
post #2790 of 3301
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Originally Posted by jreink01 View Post

Why pay 15.00 a month just to be able to record a show/movie. I do not/need all the extras that some might like. I only want the dvr feature that allows it to record, just like what a vcr does, thats it, and I don't feel that I should have to pay a service for that.The reason I might keep it is if I can continue to record manually or not. This morning, I did unplug the tivo for about 4 hours and when I plugged it back in, the time was correct, I'm just wondering if this will keep for the upcoming months or if it is still going off of the last connection to tivo central, too early to tell. And about Charles comment about it complaining, it does say at the top that there is a problem with the connection, please check, I just ignore it. I am still getting upcoming programming, probably because its only been a day since canceling the service, I am wondering if this also could be the reason why the clock is still correct also?? If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be greatly appreciated.

For heavens sake,send it back if there is still time. If you can't, then try selling it. Without a subscription it is a piece of junk. You don't say whether you have cable or OTA. If you have cable, then just your company's DVR.

The clock is bound to drift over time. Even it if still allows you to manually record, the clock drift will make it a pain in the butt to deal with.
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