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post #2821 of 3301
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Start being tempted... shows here the basic Roamio will be for cable and OTA, others cable only.
I'll wait to see what actually appears in the stores.
post #2822 of 3301
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

 

Start being tempted... shows here the basic Roamio will be for cable and OTA, others cable only.

I'm not tempted, but I wonder if my little two tuner Premiere will go up in value if the following speculation is correct:

 

"The 4-tuner model (rendered up top and above) may feature a unique restriction in that it can be configured for digital cable, via CableCARD, OR for OTA, via antenna – but not both simultaneously"

 

I also don't like the white face.

post #2823 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I'm not tempted, but I wonder if my little two tuner Premiere will go up in value if the following speculation is correct:

"The 4-tuner model (rendered up top and above) may feature a unique restriction in that it can be configured for digital cable, via CableCARD, OR for OTA, via antenna – but not both simultaneously"

I also don't like the white face.

My two Pioneer Kuros have the same tuner setup. I could not have digital cable and dgital OTA at the same time. It is either one or the other.

I will wait a while before I consider the new TiVo as I am done with being an early adopter. I will let other people deal with the bugs. The only way I will go early is if TiVo offers a decent incentive to move up to the new model.
post #2824 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

"The 4-tuner model (rendered up top and above) may feature a unique restriction in that it can be configured for digital cable, via CableCARD, OR for OTA, via antenna – but not both simultaneously"

The only halfway legitimate reason for this would be if the device only has one (single) RF input. But in a device that is basically an STB I would always expect (and hope) to have more . . .
post #2825 of 3301
I wish they would offer an incentive like when the Premiere launched. Lifetime service was only $200. Of course the price of the S4 boxes were alot higher in MArch 2010 when they launched but that savings wer nice at the time. I would be surprised if they did anything similar with the S5. Since it sounds like the prices of the TiVos will be fairly low at launch.
post #2826 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I wish they would offer an incentive like when the Premiere launched. Lifetime service was only $200. Of course the price of the S4 boxes were alot higher in MArch 2010 when they launched but that savings wer nice at the time. I would be surprised if they did anything similar with the S5. Since it sounds like the prices of the TiVos will be fairly low at launch.
I hope we end up with some decent "upgrade" offers something like $500 with lifetime for the new 4 tuner and $600 with lifetime for the new 6 tuner.
post #2827 of 3301
I noticed on both my TiVo's that History HD is showing 1080i instead of 720p as its resolution. I have all resolutions checked and the other 720p channels are working correctly. Can anybody report the resolution for History HD before I call my cable company? Thanks.
post #2828 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I noticed on both my TiVo's that History HD is showing 1080i instead of 720p as its resolution. I have all resolutions checked and the other 720p channels are working correctly. Can anybody report the resolution for History HD before I call my cable company? Thanks.

If you don't mind me asking, why do you care?
post #2829 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

The only halfway legitimate reason for this would be if the device only has one (single) RF input. But in a device that is basically an STB I would always expect (and hope) to have more . . .

OTOH, I would suspect that the number of people that need/want digital cable and OTA at the same time to number in the hundreds. wink.gif
post #2830 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

OTOH, I would suspect that the number of people that need/want digital cable and OTA at the same time to number in the hundreds. wink.gif
I'm one of them. I always watch/record OTA when possible. It's a better picture (no compression from the cable company).
post #2831 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I noticed on both my TiVo's that History HD is showing 1080i instead of 720p as its resolution. I have all resolutions checked and the other 720p channels are working correctly. Can anybody report the resolution for History HD before I call my cable company? Thanks.

History HD is 1080i on my feed.

 

All cable is local (c).

post #2832 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I noticed on both my TiVo's that History HD is showing 1080i instead of 720p as its resolution. I have all resolutions checked and the other 720p channels are working correctly. Can anybody report the resolution for History HD before I call my cable company? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

History HD is 1080i on my feed.

All cable is local (c).
This is odd, earlier when you first posted I checked and History HD was 720p here on Cox in Phoenix, AZ (TiVo also reported 720p)

Now checking again it is 1080i, and TiVo is also reporting 1080i

Is it normal for a channel to change resolutions depending on the program? I don't recall seeing that before.
post #2833 of 3301
The History Channel is showing up at 1080i here on FiOS. It used to be 720P. They must have changed their resolution. Or something else is going on.
post #2834 of 3301
It's always been 1080i on Comcast, and agree with the 'who cares?' comment.
post #2835 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

I'm one of them. I always watch/record OTA when possible. It's a better picture (no compression from the cable company).

+1
post #2836 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post



This is odd, earlier when you first posted I checked and History HD was 720p here on Cox in Phoenix, AZ (TiVo also reported 720p)

Now checking again it is 1080i, and TiVo is also reporting 1080i

Is it normal for a channel to change resolutions depending on the program? I don't recall seeing that before.

I've never seen a channel change resolution, but programs fur sure. Even when showing 480i digital I just get barn doors in a 1080i signal. If I get analog I stretch it. This is a hardware issue since I can stretch 480i on my Sony. I keep the TiVo at 1080i only since my TV has a large delay when changinging resolutions. Everything feeds a Yamaha AVR that is set to pass through for video.

 

If we start a sub-topic on resolutions and aspect ratio, this could be a great way to increase post counts.

post #2837 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I've never seen a channel change resolution, but programs fur sure. Even when showing 480i digital I just get barn doors in a 1080i signal. If I get analog I stretch it. This is a hardware issue since I can stretch 480i on my Sony. I keep the TiVo at 1080i only since my TV has a large delay when changinging resolutions. Everything feeds a Yamaha AVR that is set to pass through for video.

If we start a sub-topic on resolutions and aspect ratio, this could be a great way to increase post counts.

I've never seen a program change resolution. The channel broadcasts at one resolution. No matter what they show it's all at the same resolution

On The History Channel the Wiki pages does list it as 720P. It used to be 720P here on FiOS but I only know it's showing up as 1080i right now.
post #2838 of 3301
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post


I've never seen a program change resolution. The channel broadcasts at one resolution. No matter what they show it's all at the same resolution

On The History Channel the Wiki pages does list it as 720P. It used to be 720P here on FiOS but I only know it's showing up as 1080i right now.

You're right. I didn't mean to imply a single piece of content would change. The content changes all the time on my 1080i feeds and during a commercial break I can see letterbox then barn doors then back to 16:9. Until my local ABC and NBC studios went HD, storms or school closings would force a 4:3 picture to show the crawl. Since content seems to determine the bit rate and storage needed, the program size can vary a lot.

post #2839 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

I'm one of them. I always watch/record OTA when possible. It's a better picture (no compression from the cable company).

Fine ... but *most* folks get cable so they don't have to deal with antennas, especially in the two biggest DMAs.

For me, I got the TiVo because it was the only (reasonable) way to record (The)CW in HD, and I was tired of having to watch it live (or in crap-o-vision.) As far as compression goes, all of my locals are doing a bang up job of destroying their signals all by themselves. There's no need for cable (or satellite, in my case,) to help them out there. wink.gif
post #2840 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post


Fine ... but *most* folks get cable so they don't have to deal with antennas, especially in the two biggest DMAs.

For me, I got the TiVo because it was the only (reasonable) way to record (The)CW in HD, and I was tired of having to watch it live (or in crap-o-vision.) As far as compression goes, all of my locals are doing a bang up job of destroying their signals all by themselves. There's no need for cable (or satellite, in my case,) to help them out there. wink.gif

Some folks get cable because OTA is impossible. Even my DMA is located over 50 miles away through a lot of mountains.

 

I understand one 6MHz TV channel with one DTV channel and no subchannels doesn't need compression. It does make me curious why, unlike audio, compression is so evil. Looking at OTA stations on Wiki, there are many with subchannels now. I check the bit rates on my broadcast network cable channels and my 1080i/5.1 channels come through about 8Mbs. I have many combinations of subchannels that mix 480i, 720p and 1080i. With or without a cable card getting in the way, I like the PQ and audio even from the 480i channels. I never watch analog anymore. Generalizing applies to all forms of transmission since there are so many variables and so few standards.

post #2841 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Some folks get cable because OTA is impossible. Even my DMA is located over 50 miles away through a lot of mountains.

.... It does make me curious why, unlike audio, compression is so evil . . . .

Where did you hear that audio compression is not evil?
Or can you not hear?
post #2842 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

...... I check the bit rates on my broadcast network cable channels and my 1080i/5.1 channels come through about 8Mbs. . . .

My 1080i locals run about 17-18Mbs even with a subchannel. This is about double the bit rate you're getting over cable. In my case, the OTA and Cable images are virtually indistinguishable from each other... until the picture moves.
post #2843 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


Where did you hear that audio compression is not evil?
Or can you not hear?

Be nice. I meant audio compression is bad for good sound. My collection of SACD is growing and I bought my AVR because it supports DSD on HDMI from my Blu-ray.

post #2844 of 3301
I got conformation that A&E Networks has changed both A&E HD and History HD from 720p MPEG2 over to 1080i MPEG4 to conserve bandwidth on the satellites. They will eventually change all the channels they own to 1080i. I had a hard time getting this information as my cable company did not bother to check and gave me a phone number to A&E Networks, but they told me I had to call my cable company for the information. I contacted a old trusted source and he/she confirmed this.

For reference here is a list of the cable/sat channels in the US and who owns them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cable_and_satellite_television_networks
post #2845 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

If you don't mind me asking, why do you care?

I am a old school technically minded person that still sweats all the details. I just wanted to make sure my cable company wasn't making a mistake with their equipment.
post #2846 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Is it normal for a channel to change resolutions depending on the program? I don't recall seeing that before.

Channels never change resolutions, because doing so forces them to stop transmitting in order to switch to a new transport stream, which would cause them to appear offline during the switch. It's also the reason why despite being shot at 24 fps, primetime dramas are telecined to 30 fps, so that stations can integrate them into their non-film content without having to switch to 24 fps when it's time to show dramas.
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I meant audio compression is bad for good sound. My collection of SACD is growing and I bought my AVR because it supports DSD on HDMI from my Blu-ray.

I've still yet to see any double-blind tests which indicate that SACD/DVD-A offer any audible benefits over CDDA. Regular CDs aren't compressed, either, at least in the lossy sense. The dynamic range sense, though, is another matter. frown.gif
post #2847 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post


This is odd, earlier when you first posted I checked and History HD was 720p here on Cox in Phoenix, AZ (TiVo also reported 720p)

Now checking again it is 1080i, and TiVo is also reporting 1080i

Is it normal for a channel to change resolutions depending on the program? I don't recall seeing that before.

I wonder if some of the old programs that were done in 720p will still show that way or Cox just made the switch to the new sat feeds for those two channels. My feed here is showing 1080i constantly but I am mainly watching in the prime time hours which is new programming.
post #2848 of 3301
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

It's always been 1080i on Comcast, and agree with the 'who cares?' comment.

It couldn't have been in 1080i always as they just switched to 1080i from 720p in the past two months. The only way that channel would have reported 1080i is if you had set your box to output 1080i for all channels. As for why I care is I am a old school technically minded person that still sweats all the details. I just wanted to make sure my cable company wasn't making a mistake with their equipment.
post #2849 of 3301
I just checked.. History HD is 1080i here today. I couldn't say what it used to be, or when or if it changed.
post #2850 of 3301
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Fine ... but *most* folks get cable so they don't have to deal with antennas, especially in the two biggest DMAs.

For me, I got the TiVo because it was the only (reasonable) way to record (The)CW in HD, and I was tired of having to watch it live (or in crap-o-vision.) As far as compression goes, all of my locals are doing a bang up job of destroying their signals all by themselves. There's no need for cable (or satellite, in my case,) to help them out there. wink.gif

I would really miss the opportunity to switch easily from cable to OTA. I receive some 20 channels from LA.
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