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post #2971 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

if you mean those MOCA devices, I think it was determined when I talked to TiVo about them that I can't even use them.
No, I mean powerline network adapters like Netgear AV500's. I use them with my TiVo's.
post #2972 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

There is some good prices on new leftover Premiere models. I should pick one up for my sister for Christmas.

I am in no hurry for the update as my two TiVos are doing everything I wanted them to do. I hope the update doesn't muck that up.

I have the Netgear router with Tivo storage. I did try it out a few months ago with my external HP drive and it did show up in the TiVo menu but I did not muck around with it to see how it worked.

I just checked Zap2It and it is really a mess. Did you check the TiVo guide to see if it is affected? I am hoping this is not my fault as I did send them a list of the channels that will still missing the channel logos. I see some of the channels that were missing have logos now but they are on the wrong channels. So much for Smooth Sailing TiVo style!biggrin.gif

I checked TV Guide, Titantv and the TiVo guide and they are fine. It's just the logo. Yes, new series 4 are dropping in price. I figure with the two boxes and my 1TB laptop running Desktop I'm set for the winter. Should we get scrambled all I lose is the Magnavox and Sony.

 

I guess I'm unlucky, but my remote has "noisy" keys and some that need real effort to use. I'm going to get a new one and see if it helps. The TiVo works great. Except for the date, so does the Sony.

post #2973 of 3301
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

No, I mean powerline network adapters like Netgear AV500's. I use them with my TiVo's.
why would it help performance? The device still has to take a wireless signal so it would be just as limited before ever getting to the TiVo, anyway, it would seem to me.
post #2974 of 3301
Btw, if I do ever want to use an external HDD with the TiVo XL4, how easy is it? I thought in the beginning that it was some simple procedure since TiVo pretty much advertised you being able to, and then IIRC I read somewhere it's complicated.
post #2975 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post


why would it help performance? The device still has to take a wireless signal so it would be just as limited before ever getting to the TiVo, anyway, it would seem to me.

The AV500 is not wireless.

post #2976 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

The AV500 is not wireless.
well, how does it work then? The description on Amazon is vague. If it only adds it to one outlet, that means it would need some long cable, no different than a router and if its something that adds it to all power outlets, then it's the same problem as the MOCA for me.
post #2977 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post


well, how does it work then? The description on Amazon is vague. If it only adds it to one outlet, that means it would need some long cable, no different than a router and if its something that adds it to all power outlets, then it's the same problem as the MOCA for me.

Google:

http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/powerline/dhp-500av-powerline-av-500-adapter

 

I have never used one.

post #2978 of 3301
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Google:
http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/powerline/dhp-500av-powerline-av-500-adapter

I have never used one.

To brr clear, Kelson indicated he used the Netgear adapters.. not the D-Link. wink.gif
post #2979 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

To brr clear, Kelson indicated he used the Netgear adapters.. not the D-Link. wink.gif
Yes, but the D-Link link has a better explanation of what PLA's are and how they work in the home.
post #2980 of 3301
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post


To brr clear, Kelson indicated he used the Netgear adapters.. not the D-Link. wink.gif

You're right. I just searched on AV500 and Google confused me. Not that it takes much. :)

post #2981 of 3301
It's another device similar to the MOCA, in that anyone else on the same line (power line in this case) could get on the network if they know how to bypass whatever security it would be having.

Anyone going to answer me about using an external HDD with a TiVo XL4? Seems like I read somewhere that it's a hassle. Not as simple as connect it and you're done and maybe some aren't even compatible and TiVo has to format it or something. Gotta love when companies use something as an advertisement to get their product and then pretty much say nothing is guaranteed to work.
post #2982 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

It's another device similar to the MOCA, in that anyone else on the same line (power line in this case) could get on the network if they know how to bypass whatever security it would be having.

Anyone going to answer me about using an external HDD with a TiVo XL4? Seems like I read somewhere that it's a hassle. Not as simple as connect it and you're done and maybe some aren't even compatible and TiVo has to format it or something. Gotta love when companies use something as an advertisement to get their product and then pretty much say nothing is guaranteed to work.

Only the TiVo approved extenders will work. However, in my experience they are very unstable. If something happens with the drive you lose every recording on the TiVo (because it puts a small chunk on the main drive thanks to Cablelabs). I would upgrade the internal drive instead.
post #2983 of 3301
oh yeah I remember reading that people sometimes upgrade those.... but I figured that is a lot more complicated, and something has to be done to get the TiVo formatting on it. Plus it would be hard to upgrade it and be worth it since the xl4 already ahs a 2TB one to begin with.
post #2984 of 3301
I still have no clue what to get to handle the wireless. I see a lot of 1 star reviews for the TiVo adaptor, but the suggested d-link bridge has an even higher horrible rating rate. As it is now, I have a freakin 40 foot cable across two rooms and it's annoying so I need to figure something out which will work and be fast enough, without security issues like thee powerline adaptors likely would be.
post #2985 of 3301
I use two n adapters and they work great. They are not cheap. They work fine. Go for it. They are not plug and play they require so set up. Maybe five minutes worth. Read the instructions.
post #2986 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

I still have no clue what to get to handle the wireless. I see a lot of 1 star reviews for the TiVo adaptor, but the suggested d-link bridge has an even higher horrible rating rate. As it is now, I have a freakin 40 foot cable across two rooms and it's annoying so I need to figure something out which will work and be fast enough, without security issues like thee powerline adaptors likely would be.
Powerline adapters do not have security issues. They use encryption just like wireless adapters. I use them in my home and have never had a problem. Much more reliable than wireless, especially if you havfe a large home.

S~
post #2987 of 3301
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Powerline adapters do not have security issues. They use encryption just like wireless adapters. I use them in my home and have never had a problem. Much more reliable than wireless, especially if you havfe a large home.
+1

@somelogin:
PLA's are wired connections, you should not discount them. I have 4 Netgear PLA's around my house - each PLA plugs into a 5 or 8-port switch to link all the devices at that node. Netgear has a nice PC utility for matching their encryption keys. They provide far better throughput than wireless through walls and floors and provide stable throughput. I get enough bandwidth to stream full bitrate BD.m2ts over DLNA from my servers on the second floor to my media center on the first. The only use we have for wireless in my household is for Internet connectivity for laptops, tablets and smart-phones.
post #2988 of 3301
well, I know with the MOCA devices, TiVo had confirmed what I thought, that they would be an issue (I believe security issue) in an apartment and it just seems that there would be more chance to "do something with it" if someone did break into that than a wireless network. I may be wrong, but I'm just saying that's how my gut instinct is on it and 99.999999% of any type of setup doesn't have someone break into it, but that doesn't mean someone can't. There are people who don't hide their SSID or password protect it and don't have people get into theirs, but doesn't mean it's safe enough.

If I do end up using them.... can more than one device run off of one adaptor or do all of them only accommodate one device? I really only have ONE place where all of my wireless devices are. Oh also I am always thinking I may have some sort of issues with the power lines to begin with, but morons won't ever check it out for me. I don't know if the adaptors could cause any issues such as crazy amounts of power needed or whatnot either.

edit: I assume from the above post I would only need one, then. I don't know. It would certainly be nice to have the ability to forget wireless. Although on the oppo I just sold, the wireless did seem quite good enough. I don't even need anything to sue it more than 40 feet away.
post #2989 of 3301
I'm a bit curious about the configuration of the AV500's... Kelson, do the adapters themselves require an IP address? If so, can it be a static address or must it be dynamic (use DHCP)? I looked at the docs on the Netgear site, but there is no manual I could find that shows the actual configuration parameters in the AV500 adapter.

Somelogin- there are several ways to gain added security to your network whether its wired, wireless, MOCA, or Powerline. You can use static IP addressing so that any device attempting to gain access to your network must be in the proper address range (subnet, etc.) or else it is rejected by the router. Also, most routers will allow you to limit access to the network to specific MAC addresses. If the device trying to get in is not a listed address, it doesn't gain access. Both of these things can be done for "free", simply by taking the time to configure them into your network.
Edited by WS65711 - 11/7/13 at 11:15am
post #2990 of 3301
yeah, I definitely need to look into configuring properly. Although currently I had to switch from using my own cisco router to the stupid Comcast one because I had all kinds of issues with the one that didn't have wireless already built in. So I'm sure there are going to be way less options on this one. But with the MOCA ones, there was some reason it wasn't going to be able to be used by me, due to being in an apt. SO I don't know if the same issues are going to matter with powerline adaptors or not. Seems like the MOCA issue was that I didn't have access to one place something needed to be placed.
post #2991 of 3301
I was trying to fnd info on how safe powerline adaptors are and how secure, etc.... and one guy claims neighbors can read voltage drops and thus know what keys you're pressing.
post #2992 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

I was trying to fnd info on how safe powerline adaptors are and how secure, etc.... and one guy claims neighbors can read voltage drops and thus know what keys you're pressing.

Does he wear an aluminum hat?

 

With a proper receiver, computer (mainframe class) and software, someone could decode your keystrokes. CIA does it, probably NSA too.

post #2993 of 3301
Seriously? The data is encrypted from point towith a powerline adapter.

S~
post #2994 of 3301
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Seriously? The data is encrypted from point towith a powerline adapter.

S~

If that was meant for me, I was stating that keystrokes can be decoded directly from the keyboard. However, decrypting the various rf signals made by a computer and networks is why the NSA is so popular lately. But now they just tap the lines and data streams. It was more fun when you had to make physical contact. I guess you could call Verizon for help. ;)

post #2995 of 3301
No. Not addressed to you.

S~
post #2996 of 3301
I'm, just posting what I read. I want to be sure before using anything. Other than security issues, the only other negative I've read was that they get warm and also that they can interfere with radios and whatnot and so you could be forced by law to quit using them if neighbors complain. Again, I read this, so I don't know what's true or not. But see with me being in an apt, I assume this would all be much less secure because it would go right through all these other people's apts, whereas the cable line only goes straight from the box to me (but two separate ones for different areas). It would sure be ideal if a powerline adaptor WOULD be ok for me, because then I could stop using the annoying piece on the oppo and this long 40 foot cable for the TiVo.
post #2997 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

I'm, just posting what I read. I want to be sure before using anything. Other than security issues, the only other negative I've read was that they get warm and also that they can interfere with radios and whatnot and so you could be forced by law to quit using them if neighbors complain. Again, I read this, so I don't know what's true or not. But see with me being in an apt, I assume this would all be much less secure because it would go right through all these other people's apts, whereas the cable line only goes straight from the box to me (but two separate ones for different areas). It would sure be ideal if a powerline adaptor WOULD be ok for me, because then I could stop using the annoying piece on the oppo and this long 40 foot cable for the TiVo.

So the. Use MOCA and a POE filter for security.
post #2998 of 3301
Can't. Like I said before, it can't be used in my situation, as Tivo confirmed. I think because you had to put something where it enters your home, which I wouldn't have access to. And back to people spying.... yeah someone could do it with software, but that's not the same as someone just randomly doing it right next door without needing software.
post #2999 of 3301
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Originally Posted by somelogin View Post

Can't. Like I said before, it can't be used in my situation, as Tivo confirmed. I think because you had to put something where it enters your home, which I wouldn't have access to. And back to people spying.... yeah someone could do it with software, but that's not the same as someone just randomly doing it right next door without needing software.

How would MOCA let them "spy" on you? The only thing that MIGHT happen (and I suspect highly unlikely) would be that they would be able watch what your watching. I say unlikely because I think whatever device they have would have to be tied to your TiVo account, MAK.

WRT to why you can't use a POE filter, are you saying your apartment has multiple different feeds? How does the cable company keep track of what your subscription covers?
post #3000 of 3301
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Originally Posted by BIGA$$TV View Post

How would MOCA let them "spy" on you? The only thing that MIGHT happen (and I suspect highly unlikely) would be that they would be able watch what your watching. I say unlikely because I think whatever device they have would have to be tied to your TiVo account, MAK.

WRT to why you can't use a POE filter, are you saying your apartment has multiple different feeds? How does the cable company keep track of what your subscription covers?

yea. nothing makes sense. there has to be one feed coming into his apartment and then split inside somewhere, the perfect place for a POE filter. All this fear about security through power ethernet or moca is a little absurd if you ask me. in an apartment building i would be more scared about someone picking the lock, taking my paper mail or making sure my wifi passwords arent easy to crack and what not.
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