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post #1861 of 1944
Sorry..but common sense rules out all...and I for one didn't go in with any preconceived notions or expecting anything. I had no biased 1 way or another. I honestly believed that paying hundreds for a power cable is ridiculous. But I believe my OWN ears over some kooks in a closed room that no1 knew about..organizing a "blind" test to those who knew what they were there for. A true blind test in on the clear minded unexpected..unprepared and any preconceived thought of anything that was going on. smdh Besides till they disclose the ages and hearing test results of those they chosed to "blind-test"...the only thing I will be biased about is anything in that forum sorry. They didn't ask me nor any1 I kno to show up for this test..so to me its like everything else on the internet. Abunch of malarchy to try and susbstaniate peoples desires to condem high end manufactures. YET given the opportunity 99% of them would build a "money-no-object" HT or AUDIO system with every high end piece they can get their hands on.INCLUDING EXPENSIVE CABLES..smdh
post #1862 of 1944
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 Originally Posted by emofan21 View Post
 
Sorry..but common sense rules out all...and I for one didn't go in with any preconceived notions or expecting anything. I had no biased 1 way or another.

 

You are trying to tell me you are the one person in the entire world who is not subject to human bias?  I suggest you google things like 'expectation bias'. I’d provide some links but I know you won't follow them so it's easier for you to google your own. When you do you will learn about human bias which everyone is subject to, and why all proper scientific evaluations strive to avoid bias when establishing their methodology.

 

 

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 I honestly believed that paying hundreds for a power cable is ridiculous. 

 

Something we can agree on. It's not only ridiculous - it's exactly the same as taking the money and setting fire to it.

 

 

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But I believe my OWN ears over some kooks in a closed room that no1 knew about..organizing a "blind" test to those who knew what they were there for 

 

Believing your own ears assumes that your brain never deceives you. Unfortunately for your argument, the brain deceives all the time.  Google things like 'the Mcgurk effect' and look at some videos from the results.

 

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  A true blind test in on the clear minded unexpected..unprepared and any preconceived thought of anything that was going on. smdh Besides till they disclose the ages and hearing test results of those they chosed to "blind-test"...the only thing I will be biased about is anything in that forum sorry.

 

You clearly have little idea as to how ABX blind tests are conducted. The links in the post I made earlier will provide considerable education on this.

 

 

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 They didn't ask me nor any1 I kno to show up for this test..so to me its like everything else on the internet. Abunch of malarchy to try and susbstaniate peoples desires to condem high end manufactures. YET given the opportunity 99% of them would build a "money-no-object" HT or AUDIO system with every high end piece they can get their hands on.INCLUDING EXPENSIVE CABLES..smdh

 

These are just wild assumptions on your part with no evidence to back it up. Everyone who understands the science, every Electrical Engineer, everyone who has attended a blind ABX test... can be guaranteed to not waste their money on ludicrously expensive cables. It’s the same in the Professional world where there isn't a magic cable in sight. And the same inside the amps and speakers that the magic cables are attached to - they all feature ordinary copper wire inside. Sometimes, in a voice coil, there is hundreds of feet of this ordinary copper wire, yet audiofools still cling to the ludicrous notion that replacing the piece of wire that connects the speaker to the amplifier with a 'magic' variety will somehow improve the sound - this despite the fact that at either side of the 'magic' cable is lots and lots of 'ordinary copper wire'.

 

It's your money to waste. I personally don't care how you waste it. But I’d have thought you'd welcome the opportunity to learn how to spend it much more wisely and in the areas where sound quality can be really improved. Seems I was wrong.

 

 

post #1863 of 1944
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But I believe my OWN ears over some kooks in a closed room that no1 knew about..

I'll alert the AES.
post #1864 of 1944
There simply is no stubbornness to equal that of an audiophile.
post #1865 of 1944
I think there is a difference between an audiophile and plain old ignorance.
Maybe not much of one given the recent posts. wink.gif
post #1866 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Most hums most definitely do not come from "dirty current being fed into the power amp".

There should be no need to spend anything like $350 on a power cord - it is simply money wasted. If hum or some form of ground loop is the problem there are proper, scientifically sound ways to go about troubleshooting it and eliminating it, none of which require the purchase of some form of 'magic' power cord. The power cord which Emotiva supplied with the amp is perfectly fine for the job. There are no sonic benefits to be had from improving the last few feet of power cable, given that the power has already travelled hundreds of miles over basic wires, as well as coming into the house via basic wires to the back of the wall outlet. Not to mention that amps don't run on AC power anyway, the AC being converted to DC before it does anything remotely able to influence SQ.

For anyone having problems with hum, this is a good resource which should help find a solution:

Have to agree with Kbarnes here. I had some serious hum in my subs. Spent $0.99 on one of these and the hum was gone 100%. I'm not saying it will work for every scenario but would suggest trying it if you have a grounded power cord running the device that is experiencing the hum.

post #1867 of 1944
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

There simply is no stubbornness to equal that of an audiophile.

Reminds me why, in the are you an audiophile poll, I voted didn't want to be associated with the label its become....
post #1868 of 1944
Just waiting delivery of a XPA-5 and a couple of questions if I may

As I live in the UK instead of cutting off the plug and rewiring it can I just change the power lead to a Kettle type of lead ?
What size of fuse should be fitted 5 or 13 amp?

I intend to use the amp for L/C/R and L/R Wide duty but just realise my RCA cables will be too short
I have a couple that are ok so is it ok to just to use 2 channels in the meantime until I get a full set from Blue Jeans?

Thanks in advance
Andy
post #1869 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Lesmor View Post

Just waiting delivery of a XPA-5 and a couple of questions if I may

As I live in the UK instead of cutting off the plug and rewiring it can I just change the power lead to a Kettle type of lead ?
What size of fuse should be fitted 5 or 13 amp?

I intend to use the amp for L/C/R and L/R Wide duty but just realise my RCA cables will be too short
I have a couple that are ok so is it ok to just to use 2 channels in the meantime until I get a full set from Blue Jeans?

Thanks in advance
Andy

 

Any decent 'kettle lead' will do - the XPA amps come with a pretty thick lead though, and I couldn't find a kettle lead nearly as thick so I cut the moulded plug off mine and replaced it with a regular plug. I put in a 13 amp fuse.  Yes, using 2 channels is fine.

post #1870 of 1944

Kettle lead?  Is that what it sounds like, my friend said electric kettles heat up water like nobody's business in the EU because they're doing it with 240v.  Riddle me that.

post #1871 of 1944
I just took delivery here in Sydney of a XPA 5 and 2.Just replace the lead with the most robust mains cable you can find and you will be up and running. Also got blue jeans cables and recommend them highly.
post #1872 of 1944
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post
 

Kettle lead?  Is that what it sounds like, my friend said electric kettles heat up water like nobody's business in the EU because they're doing it with 240v.  Riddle me that.

 

LOL. We call them 'kettle leads' because the three slot connector (properly called IEC C13/C14/C15 Leads) was first ever seen over here used with electric kettles. A proper 'kettle lead' is probably a bit lightweight for the Emo amps, but they do come in various gauges of course.

 

Of course, here in England, we have to be able to boil water fast so the kettle can keep pace with the tea consumption :)

post #1873 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Any decent 'kettle lead' will do - the XPA amps come with a pretty thick lead though, and I couldn't find a kettle lead nearly as thick so I cut the moulded plug off mine and replaced it with a regular plug. I put in a 13 amp fuse.  Yes, using 2 channels is fine.
Hi Keith
Thanks for the reply
AFAIK the USA wiring colours are different can you confirm I got this right for coding
Black = Live
Red or White = Neutral
Green/Yellow =Earth

I am looking forward to the delivery and hopefully an improvement in sound quality with my MK-S150 L/C/R, Q85 L/R wide's as opposed to my Onkyo 5010

Thanks in advance
Andy
post #1874 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Lesmor View Post
 
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Any decent 'kettle lead' will do - the XPA amps come with a pretty thick lead though, and I couldn't find a kettle lead nearly as thick so I cut the moulded plug off mine and replaced it with a regular plug. I put in a 13 amp fuse.  Yes, using 2 channels is fine.
Hi Keith
Thanks for the reply
AFAIK the USA wiring colours are different can you confirm I got this right for coding
Black = Live
Red or White = Neutral
Green/Yellow =Earth

I am looking forward to the delivery and hopefully an improvement in sound quality with my MK-S150 L/C/R, Q85 L/R wide's as opposed to my Onkyo 5010

Thanks in advance
Andy

 

Yes, USA colours are different to UK. In USA, black = live, white=neutral and green/yellow = ground.  I am sure if I have this wrong, someone from the US will jump on me, but this is my recollection.

 

I’d be interested to hear your experience when you have the new amps hooked up. 

post #1875 of 1944
Off topic posts removed.. AGAIN. Stick to the topic or we're going to have to start locking people out of the thread.
post #1876 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Yes, USA colours are different to UK. In USA, black = live, white=neutral and green/yellow = ground.  I am sure if I have this wrong, someone from the US will jump on me, but this is my recollection.

I’d be interested to hear your experience when you have the new amps hooked up. 

Emotiva XPA5 G2 arrived safe and well
I knew it was heavy but its not until you get it from the carrier that you realise how much, its a beast
First impressions are I love the looks and the build and IMO its great value for money
As advised I rewired the mains cable
I was surprised that initially I had to increase my AVR volume from -15 to -5
Left the amp powered for a couple of hours and its now back to -15
Still evaluating the sound so to early to give any conclusions yet
post #1877 of 1944
kool..keep us posted as I too am looking to purchase that same amp..or might consider the XPR 5...smile.gif
post #1878 of 1944
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Originally Posted by emofan21 View Post

kool..keep us posted as I too am looking to purchase that same amp..or might consider the XPR 5...smile.gif

 

 

   that's a real executive decision xpa 5 or xpr 5 eh with a nice set of mono blocks for 2 channel audio to top it off..     now that's the ticket to sonic nirvana!

post #1879 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Lesmor View Post

Emotiva XPA5 G2 arrived safe and well
I knew it was heavy but its not until you get it from the carrier that you realise how much, its a beast
First impressions are I love the looks and the build and IMO its great value for money
As advised I rewired the mains cable
I was surprised that initially I had to increase my AVR volume from -15 to -5
Left the amp powered for a couple of hours and its now back to -15
Still evaluating the sound so to early to give any conclusions yet

I will add to the above that having listened to a couple of films my impression is that vocals are now clearer from my centre channel with the Emotiva and this amp gives a cleaner sound.
I imagine my MK-S150 speakers are being driven better with the Emotiva than my Onkyo 5010 and now system is being shared between the 2 amps it can only be for the better.
Also I can now use my 11.1 system to its full advantage with DSX and NeoX now being available.

I was, without thinking about things too much, originally going to go for a 2 channel Rotel to achieve 11.2 but thankfully someone recommended the XPA 5
I am glad I took that advice as the front 5 channels are now driven by the Emotiva and as I previously stated this amp feels like quality and looks sublime.
post #1880 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Lesmor View Post


I will add to the above that having listened to a couple of films my impression is that vocals are now clearer from my centre channel with the Emotiva and this amp gives a cleaner sound.
I imagine my MK-S150 speakers are being driven better with the Emotiva than my Onkyo 5010 and now system is being shared between the 2 amps it can only be for the better.
Also I can now use my 11.1 system to its full advantage with DSX and NeoX now being available.

I was, without thinking about things too much, originally going to go for a 2 channel Rotel to achieve 11.2 but thankfully someone recommended the XPA 5
I am glad I took that advice as the front 5 channels are now driven by the Emotiva and as I previously stated this amp feels like quality and looks sublime.


just need to amp the rear and surround speakers now!!!!

post #1881 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cableguy301 View Post


just need to amp the rear and surround speakers now!!!!
I could, but I am quite happy letting the Onkyo carry out surround duties
post #1882 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Lesmor View Post


I could, but I am quite happy letting the Onkyo carry out surround duties

I thought the same for about a year... then I got  mono blocks up front..  so I could amp the rears   ... what an improvement..

post #1883 of 1944
This amp is currently on "sale" at Emotiva. Units are factory renewed.
Edited by cougar75 - 1/27/14 at 3:17pm
post #1884 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cougar75 View Post

This amp is currently on "sale" at Emotiva.


its a secret sale don't tell anyone..

 

cheers

post #1885 of 1944
Perfect timing as I was getting ready to pull the trigger on one. Are they on sale or are they refurbished?
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Originally Posted by cougar75 View Post

This amp is currently on "sale" at Emotiva.
post #1886 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cableguy301 View Post

I thought the same for about a year... then I got  mono blocks up front..  so I could amp the rears   ... what an improvement..

Agreed - if your surrounds don't scare you, you need the XPA-5 driving them. smile.gifeek.gif
post #1887 of 1944
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Originally Posted by lazzz View Post

Perfect timing as I was getting ready to pull the trigger on one. Are they on sale or are they refurbished?

Refurb and/or scratch and dent. Prices are a little better than the Christmas sale.
post #1888 of 1944
Hey has any1 heard any emotive amps hooked up to any Goldenear speakers..Preferably the Triton Twos.???
post #1889 of 1944
I just got an XPA5 through the warehouse sale Emotiva had last week, my AV8801 sounds very good indeed with it however I hear a faint hum coming from the XPA-5 as soon as it is turned on, is this normal on these amps? I have a Denon amp which had 0 hum so I was not really expecting this out of the emotiva...

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Originally Posted by rkinmoval View Post

Have to agree with Kbarnes here. I had some serious hum in my subs. Spent $0.99 on one of these and the hum was gone 100%. I'm not saying it will work for every scenario but would suggest trying it if you have a grounded power cord running the device that is experiencing the hum.

post #1890 of 1944

The XPA-5 only uses 2 prongs of its power cable, so it shouldn't make any difference.  But on the hum, are you hearing it come from the XPA itself or did you mean the speakers.  If it's the amp itself, then you have a transformer that is making noise.  I have read that dirty power can cause issues.  Also if you have noisy items elsewhere on the circuit that the amp is plugged into it could cause a problem, like a dimmer switch.  There is also the chance that the transformer is humming on its own.

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