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post #301 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

To answer your questions. The chassis is actually 18" deep. That is without counting the 5 way binding posts (speaker terminals) that add another inch or so. So, that is the 19" deep that you were referring in your post. Now, keep in mind that if you are going to use banana plugs, you will have to take the size of them into consideration as well. I have my amps installed on DIY AV console that is 22" deep and my banana plugs are like 1 1/4" long.
Yes, the 7 3/4" includes the rubber feet.
The front two rubber feet are 2 1/8" from the front of the amp and it seems like it is the same for the feet on the back too.
Finally, congrats on your XPA-5 you will be really pleased with this amp. Don't forget to post back your initial impressions.

Will do for sure! Thanks so much for your help with the dimensions. It will help me to be ready for installation when the unit arrives.
post #302 of 1944
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

when running a xpa 5 with only three channels used, Im assuming it pushes more power to those channels? Could this be the reason Audyssey xt32 is cutting my mains to -12dbs?

I am expecting delivery of an XPA-5 on Friday. I'll be using my Denon 3808CI as a pre-pro, and the amp will be driving Paradigm speakers. Studio 20 v4 for front L & R, Studio CC-490 for center, and a pair of Mini Monitor v3s for surrounds.

I am wondering if anyone else has experienced this issue of too much gain, such that the maximum trim level is hit after running Audyssey calibration. This has me a little worried.
post #303 of 1944
I have a denon 4311 and after hooking up the emotiva, audessey did not dial speakers back much if at all.
post #304 of 1944
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

I am expecting delivery of an XPA-5 on Friday. I'll be using my Denon 3808CI as a pre-pro, and the amp will be driving Paradigm speakers. Studio 20 v4 for front L & R, Studio CC-490 for center, and a pair of Mini Monitor v3s for surrounds.
I am wondering if anyone else has experienced this issue of too much gain, such that the maximum trim level is hit after running Audyssey calibration. This has me a little worried.

You will be fine. Your front stage is matched, so you should see that high difference if everything is hooked to your XPA-5.

I'm currently using two XPA-2's (Bridge mode) to drive my front L/R speakers and one XPA-5 for center, surround and back surround speakers. So, yes my calibration software (Yamaha's YPAO) has to adjust the difference in power between the fronts and the rest of the speakers, but that is just about 7 dB difference.

Don't worry too much, enjoy the wait and more important enjoy the amp as soon is at your home. This is a "beast" and it weights a ton. So, if you have to carry this baby around for a long distance or have to take up / down stairs make sure to have someone at home to give you a hand (your back will appreciate it a lot).

One more thing, if for some reason you think the calibration is not making any justice to the amp, just run it again. Of course make sure your room/house is quiet to avoid sudden noises that might confuse the calibration software...........oh well, things that you already know of course........wink.gif
post #305 of 1944
Thanks guys. That makes me feel a lot better. I just got the Center channel yesterday, and I expect to get the amp and the fronts on Friday. I am so excited, it's like being ten years old on Christmas Eve all over again!!!

No worries on the calibration. I've done it several times and have always gotten pretty consistent results. I use a tripod for the mic, I wait until I have the house to myself for an hour, and then I turn off everything that makes noise, including the HVAC, to get the noise floor as low as possible.

I'll post back with my impressions when it's all up and running and I've had a chance to indulge my ears a bit!
post #306 of 1944
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

Thanks guys. That makes me feel a lot better. I just got the Center channel yesterday, and I expect to get the amp and the fronts on Friday. I am so excited, it's like being ten years old on Christmas Eve all over again!!!
No worries on the calibration. I've done it several times and have always gotten pretty consistent results. I use a tripod for the mic, I wait until I have the house to myself for an hour, and then I turn off everything that makes noise, including the HVAC, to get the noise floor as low as possible.
I'll post back with my impressions when it's all up and running and I've had a chance to indulge my ears a bit!

Yeah, that is the spirit!

Looking forward to read your initial impressions and if you can............share some pics!!!
post #307 of 1944
Hi guys,

I have a Marantz SR5006 and Energy RC 70, LCR, R speakers. Was looking at going to separates, but I need amp advice. Planning on a UMC-200, and either a UPA-500 or an XPA-5. I'm completely new to amps so this will probably sound dumb.. If the difference between 80w and 200w is only a few db, what makes the cost difference between the two $400?
post #308 of 1944
For those of you out there who are using a Denon 3808CI ( or any other Denon receiver ) as a pre-pro, paired with an Emotiva XPA-5, how do you like the sound, and how did the sound change when you added the Emo, versus using the Denon to power your speakers?
post #309 of 1944
Hey im looking at supercharging my system with the emotiva XPA 3 or maybe the XPA 2

im currently using the denon 3313 ci.. it just doesnt have enough power to run my Energy veritas 6.3 speakers.. need more power..

ive never had a separate amp before..

in the pictures at Emotiva the back of the amp has some really funky look cable connections but i dont have that on my reciever..

how would i hook it up

rca cables from denon pre outs. to emotiva xpa rca cable in then speaker wire to speaks do i need a bigger gauge.. im using 16 g running 10 ft..

will the emotiva xpa 3 take bare speaker wire? and what are those funky 3 point plugs for?

most importantly will the denon still be in command of the audio format.. will the multEQ xt still work with this set up. will the base management still work etc??


thanks..
post #310 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hey im looking at supercharging my system with the emotiva XPA 3 or maybe the XPA 2

You will have to use a XPA-3 if you are planning on amplifying your two front speakers and your center channel.

If you just want to amplify two front speakers (right/left channels) then a XPA-2 is the amp for you.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

im currently using the denon 3313 ci.. it just doesnt have enough power to run my Energy veritas 6.3 speakers.. need more power..

Well, your Denon is listed as a A/V receiver with a discrete 125 watts per channel (WPC), but we all know that depending of the number of speakers that you hook to the receiver that power will decrease dramatically. So, going with an external amplifier will help you a lot. Clean power to your speakers, that will represent better and detail sound coming out of your system.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

ive never had a separate amp before..

You will love it, I never had one before and now I have three!
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

in the pictures at Emotiva the back of the amp has some really funky look cable connections but i dont have that on my reciever..

On the XPA you will have 2 different type of inputs as follows: the regular RCA input (similar to the wire used to hook a subwoofer) and XLR input (used when you have to run wire for long distances). I'm assuming your receiver and new amp will be located in the same rack / AV console and therefore RCA will be fine for you.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

how would i hook it up
rca cables from denon pre outs. to emotiva xpa rca cable in then speaker wire to speaks do i need a bigger gauge.. im using 16 g running 10 ft..

Correct! You will use the Denon pre-outs on RCA cable for your right front speaker hooked to the XPA right RCA input and the same for the left. That should be using the XPA-2. For XPA-3 see below.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

will the emotiva xpa 3 take bare speaker wire?

Yes, it does.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

and what are those funky 3 point plugs for?

Remember, the XPA-3 is meant to be used while amplifying 3 speakers. So you will have to run 3 different set of RCA cables from your Denon (R/L/C speakers) and then you use the RCA inputs on the XPA-3. Right after that, you run the speakers wires from the XPA-3 to each speaker. The funky 3 point plugs are XLR inputs (wire used for long distances).
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

most importantly will the denon still be in command of the audio format.. will the multEQ xt still work with this set up. will the base management still work etc??
thanks..

Yes, all audio signal processing will be still handled by the Denon, the difference is that once the signal is processed is amplified by the XPA-2 or 3 and then it is send to the speakers. Of course, after you add the amplifier to your setup, you must run Audyssey (calibration software) to ensure all speakers are balanced.

I hope this helps.
post #311 of 1944
Hi CR13....

thanks very much for the detailed explainations.. seems simple enough just have to buy one..

do you need decent rca cables? i guess the shorter the run the better inbetween the devices.. you seem really postive the extra power will boost up the sound quality?

the xpa 3 does have total harmonic distortions of .1% vs the denon is .05%...

does a more expensive amp make better sound quality? and how much better for how much more is a question for the poor man eh..

sounds exciting...
post #312 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi CR13....
thanks very much for the detailed explainations.. seems simple enough just have to buy one..

My pleasure! Yes, it is very simple, you just need to make sure you have the correct components. In your case you just need the RCA cables. Oh, and the new amp, of course.....wink.gif
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

do you need decent rca cables? i guess the shorter the run the better inbetween the devices.. you seem really postive the extra power will boost up the sound quality?

I am using 3' and a couple of 6' RCA cables from Monoprice:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2680&seq=1&format=2

Sound quality boost? Yes, a decent amp will do it!

With the XPA-3 you are talking about 200 watts RMS @ 8 ohm per channel. Now, if you go for the XPA-2, then you are talking about 300 watts per channel. So, your Denon will not be able to provide that kind of power to your speakers.

Remember your are indeed giving more power to your speakers; but more important, to enjoy more refined, detail and no distortion when you decide to crank the volume up (when you are using capable speakers). "NO" I'm not doing that every time. But, there are indeed some movies that deserve to be watched at a decent sound level. Or, some special music tracks that you can't listen at -40dB in your receiver......biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

the xpa 3 does have total harmonic distortions of .1% vs the denon is .05%...

I had a XPA-3 for a couple of months and that .1% was not noticed at all. You are not going to put your ear right next to the speaker. So, don't worry about that.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

does a more expensive amp make better sound quality?

Oh boy, your are about to open Pandora's box with this topic. Yes, I'm almost positive (my "own" opinion) that other amps will produce better sound. I struggled with that for a period of time until I started checking on the prices and then I suddenly realized that an Emotiva amp will be more than enough for my needs. And yes, I did check second hand units prices for the other brand of amps.

At the end, I found second hand units at a really good price with at least 3+ years of warranty left. I'm sorry, but nothing else was even close to that. Best bang for the buck as everybody says.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

and how much better for how much more is a question for the poor man eh..

That is something that only you and your wallet can decide.........biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

sounds exciting...

Yes, it is very exciting be the owner of a separated amp. No matter what brand you finally purchase for your system, you will be really happy with the performance of your speakers after you add one.

Cheers!
post #313 of 1944
thank you once again CR13...

ive been dreaming about my seperate amp all day and having the band play the blue in my living room...

i read an article on avs somewhere .. cant remember but i saved this part

How much power can my speakers handle?
You can determine this by looking at the speaker's data sheet. Look for the Nominal Impedance spec. Typically it will be 2, 4, 8 or 16 ohms. Next, look for the loudspeaker specification called Continuous Power Handling or Continuous Power Rating. It might be called IEC rating or Power capacity.

If you can prevent the power amp from clipping (by using a limiter), use a power amp that supplies 2 to 4 times the speakers continuous power rating per channel. This allows 3 to 6 dB of headroom for peaks in the audio signal. Speakers are built to handle those short-term peaks. If you cant keep the power amp from clipping (say, you have no limiter and the system is overdriven or goes into feedback) the amplifier power should equal the speakers continuous power rating. That way the speaker wont be damaged if the amp clips by overdriving its input. In this case there is no headroom for peaks, so youll have to drive the speaker at less than its full rated power if you want to avoid distortion.

If you are mainly doing light dance music or voice, we recommend that the amplifier power be 1.6 times the Continuous Power rating per channel. If you are doing heavy metal/grunge, try 2.5 times the Continuous Power rating per channel. The amplifier power must be rated for the impedance of the loudspeaker (2, 4, 8 or 16 ohms).

Here's an example. Suppose the impedance of your speaker is 4 ohms, and its Continuous Power Handling is 100 W. If you are playing light dance music, the amplifier's 4-ohm power should be 1.6 x 100 W or 160 W continuous per channel. To handle heavy metal/grunge, the amplifier's 4-ohm power should be 2.5 x 100 W or 250 W continuous per channel.

If you use much more power, you are likely to damage the speaker by forcing the speaker cone to its limits. If you use much less power, youll probably turn up the amp until it clips, trying to make the speaker loud enough. Clipping can damage speakers due to overheating. So stay with 1.6 to 2.5 times the speaker's continuous power rating.


my speakers energy V 6.3 are 250 w but im not sure what the continuous power handling is from above..

maybe i need even more power than the 300 watt xpa 2..

we are starting to get into really expensive tho.. 2 channe mcintosh 450 w like 6500.00 bucks ... love the look of the 275 tube one...

1.6 min x continuous power rating cant seem to get answer to what that is for my speaker..

that xpa 300 watt 2 channel amp you this that is enough to listen to stereo music i also have the energy 300 watt veritas 10 inch sub 1200 watt peak.. real nice blend..

at 700 dollars for the xpa seems like its to good to be true.. i looked around at other price you pay 3000 or 4000 gs...

i love the blues and like to crank it up sometimes..

thanks again cr13

oh yeah any rca cable would do?
post #314 of 1944
I just recently purchased a used xpa5 that has worked great for the first 2 days, but today it just randomly tripped on ch2 (i am using ch 2 3 and 4 for my fronts and nothing else at this time). I checked the connections and power cycled everything multiple times and it still randomly trips after playing for awhile. I am now currently using ch 1 3 and 4 to see if it happens again (pointing to a bad ch2 amp?). Any ideas/thoughts?

I sure as hell hope i dont have to get this repaired being that ive only had it for 2 days! (still waiting for the warranty to be transferred to me).

Note i have had an xpa3 for several months(no issues) that i simply swapped out after getting the used xpa5, so i dont think it would be bad cables.....:-/

Update - I had it powering 1 3 and 4 for about an hour and no issues, so now i am using 1 2 and 3 to see if ch2 trips again. (Its been running for 25min thus far with no issues..ill see if it eventually trips.). If it doesnt trip, then i wonder if it was tripping because i was using 2 3 and 4 instead of 1 2 and 3 (i wouldnt think that would matter but maybe it does??).....to be continued.
Edited by zdoggz - 12/22/12 at 1:48pm
post #315 of 1944
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

For those of you out there who are using a Denon 3808CI ( or any other Denon receiver ) as a pre-pro, paired with an Emotiva XPA-5, how do you like the sound, and how did the sound change when you added the Emo, versus using the Denon to power your speakers?
Hi. When I had mid-level Dali Helicon 400 speakers (MSRP$4K, 4 Ohm 89dB sens, not easy to drive) I was using a Denon AVR4310 (which is only rated 6-16 ohms). I sit about 9' away and with the internal amps, I could detect amp clipping over -10dB MV (from reference=0 which is really pretty loud BTW). The Emo XPA5 restored clean, dynamic SQ to as loud as I cared to crank it.

However, when I upgraded the AVR to the A100/4311 (wich is rated down to 4 ohms) and the speakers to Euphonia MS4s (MSRP $12K, specs about the same) I couldn't hear much difference between the AVR int amps and the Emo.

After upgraded the MS4s to MS5s (similar specs but bigger, true 3way, MSRP $16K) I just for kicks switched in a far more expensive (MSRP $2.5K) Halcro MC30 amp for the fronts andI was surprise to find the SQ improved in detail and dynamics even at low listening levels.
post #316 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

thank you once again CR13...
ive been dreaming about my seperate amp all day and having the band play the blue in my living room...

Ha, first is the dream on having an amp, then you change that dream for upgrading to a higher level amp and before you know it, you are thinking on a tube one...wink.gif

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i read an article on avs somewhere .. cant remember but i saved this part
Clipping can damage speakers due to overheating. So stay with 1.6 to 2.5 times the speaker's continuous power rating.

Nice article, the most important to take from that article is to avoid clipping your speakers by under-powering them and then pushing them too hard. The recommendation that I received was that there is less risk on damaging your speakers by giving then more power, than not. Again all that depends on your listening habits.

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

my speakers energy V 6.3 are 250 w but im not sure what the continuous power handling is from above..
maybe i need even more power than the 300 watt xpa 2..

I honestly don't think the 250W on your speaker is CPH. Best thing to do is to contact the manufacturer and clarify that directly with them. For instance, my Polks are rated at 500 watts power capacity and the XPA-2's (bridged) in theory are sending 1000 watts to each speaker. No issues to report here. But, I'm not driving my system at reference level too.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

we are starting to get into really expensive tho.. 2 channe mcintosh 450 w like 6500.00 bucks ... love the look of the 275 tube one...

There you go! Thing is that you will to pay way more for something like that. I can't afford one of those amps, but the Emotivas are taking really good care of me. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

1.6 min x continuous power rating cant seem to get answer to what that is for my speaker..

As mentioned before, I would try to touch base with the manufacturer to clarify this.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

that xpa 300 watt 2 channel amp you this that is enough to listen to stereo music i also have the energy 300 watt veritas 10 inch sub 1200 watt peak.. real nice blend..

That's cool. But remember, after you add an amplifier to your system, you must re-run the calibration software in your AV Receiver to ensure the system is properly calibrated.

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

at 700 dollars for the xpa seems like its to good to be true.. i looked around at other price you pay 3000 or 4000 gs...

There you go. Best bang for your buck!
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i love the blues and like to crank it up sometimes..

And that is the reason you want to give clean power to your speakers, so you are reducing the risk on clipping them.

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

thanks again cr13

Is all my pleasure. Good luck and hopefully soon you will be sharing your impressions after adding an amp to your system.

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

oh yeah any rca cable would do?

Yep, just try to make sure all of them are having the same length (do not mix a 3' with a 9'). Other than that, yeah pretty much you can use any rca cable.
post #317 of 1944
The energy veritas v6.3s are rated at 250 watts RMS AND have a 93.5dB sensitivity rating, so 300 watts is PLENTY because these are so easy to drive since they are so sensitive. You most likely will never come close to using 300 watts unless you listen at significantly higher than reference level 0dB (doubtful).
post #318 of 1944
hi CR13 thanks again eh.. im up in Canada.. emotiva dont deliever up here darn eh.. maybe i can drive to buffalo or detriot to get one in a store .. know any stores in those cities that sell
emotiva xpa 5 3 or 2 im thinking about the 3 xpa 3 now. 200 w p c across the front.. should help out the denon 3313 ci 125w.. which did start to clip somewhere above -10 db
so i have set the limiter to -10 db on it.. well i think it did not sure.. might have been the music itself which varries the signals eh.. but will keep it under -10 now till i get an amp to have clean power
so i can push it once in a while up to reference ... and hope the house dont fall down eh.. lol..


-10db is pretty loud but sometimes you want to feel the music a bit more eh.. -16 is pretty loud even..

how did you know i would be dreaming about tubes now CR13 lol...

ive heard they make a really warmer sound over solid state amps...

i dont have 3000 4000 for amps.. do have 700 800 tho...

dont like buying used stuff.. i have bad enough luck with new...

thanks
post #319 of 1944
do you know what the cph or iec rating is for the veritas 6.3

is not the same as 250 rms

i did email energy but no replie yet.. the energy cut sheet recommends maxium 250 w p c amplification..

ive read depending on music some say amp 2 x rms

some say amp = speaker rms

some say amp 1/2 of speaker rms.. this dont seem to work if u push it..

some say to bi amp my denon but others say bi amp doesnt do anything if you have cross overs in the speakers..

lots of confusion expensive trial and error game tho if you blow..

cheers
post #320 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

hi CR13 thanks again eh.. im up in Canada.. emotiva dont deliever up here darn eh.. maybe i can drive to buffalo or detriot to get one in a store .. know any stores in those cities that sell
emotiva xpa 5 3 or 2 im thinking about the 3 xpa 3 now

http://emotiva.com/faq/international_orders
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International Orders

Do you ship worldwide?
Yes, we do. We can ship Emotiva gear almost anywhere in the world, and we have a significant international customer base.

I got an XPA-3 delivered just a few months ago (Vancouver area). If you email the company, they can tell you the exact shipping costs.
post #321 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

do you know what the cph or iec rating is for the veritas 6.3
is not the same as 250 rms
i did email energy but no replie yet.. the energy cut sheet recommends maxium 250 w p c amplification..
ive read depending on music some say amp 2 x rms
some say amp = speaker rms
some say amp 1/2 of speaker rms.. this dont seem to work if u push it..
some say to bi amp my denon but others say bi amp doesnt do anything if you have cross overs in the speakers..
lots of confusion expensive trial and error game tho if you blow..
cheers


Whether or not the speaker blows is up to you, not the amp connected to them. When you get familiar with your system you can tell when you're pushing things a bit too much, then you have to be responsible to back it down some.

My Paradigm Studio 100s are rated at something like 210W, but they've been connected to a 700wpc QSC PLX 3402 for some years now. I've seen the clipping lights flicker. Not very often and not very long, but I've been there. No meltdowns...
Edited by whoaru99 - 12/22/12 at 9:13pm
post #322 of 1944
on there web site they dont take canada..

but i will email them nexts week..

what did you pay for duty on your order and the shipping by the way?

thanks
post #323 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

hi CR13 thanks again eh.. im up in Canada.. emotiva dont deliever up here darn eh..

I live in Saskatchewan and I received my new XPA-5, direct from Emotiva (via FedEx) on Friday.
post #324 of 1944
very cool you have a warning light on the amp telling you your clipping..

cheers
post #325 of 1944
what did you pay for shipping and duty?

very cool you got it .. hope you enjoy your clean power smile.gif

cheers
post #326 of 1944
Hi again CR13

was chatting with a buddy

he is recommending that i get 2 xpa 100 250 watt amps.. mono blocks about 379 i think

would that be best? more interested in power for music.. denon has enough for movies .. i dont really crank them.. just veg and watch..

music is where i love to crank up some good tunes

i got the blues.. taj mahal..

cheers..
post #327 of 1944
Duty: $50
Brokerage fee: $33
Taxes: $43
Shipping: $121
post #328 of 1944
wow very cool not really as expensive as i thought... thank you very much for the information...

did emotiva give you a 1 -800 # to call them from canada?

let us know how much you love it and the improvement in sound..

thanks..
post #329 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

wow very cool not really as expensive as i thought... thank you very much for the information...
did emotiva give you a 1 -800 # to call them from canada?
let us know how much you love it and the improvement in sound..
thanks..

No, I didn't call them. I just followed the instructions on the website. I emailed them for a quote and they sent me a reply with the figures shown in my last post. I replied to the email, telling them I wanted to order and they sent me an invoice with a link to pay by Paypal.
I ordered and paid on the 14th (Fridday). It shipped on the 17th (Monday) and arrived here on the 21st.

My wife and daughter are going out later today, so I'll have a chance to run Audyssey and then finally have a listen!
post #330 of 1944
I purchased Emotiva rca cables with my amp purchase and I'm very happy with their cables. They sell XLR's too.luojie
Edited by avsforumsdsd - 12/23/12 at 5:33pm
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