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post #331 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hi again CR13
was chatting with a buddy
he is recommending that i get 2 xpa 100 250 watt amps.. mono blocks about 379 i think
would that be best? more interested in power for music.. denon has enough for movies .. i dont really crank them.. just veg and watch..
music is where i love to crank up some good tunes
i got the blues.. taj mahal..
cheers..

About your question on what to buy: two XPA-100 (250W) monoblocks that will run for $758.00 (pair), or one the XPA-2 (300W per channel) for $ 679.00? Well, if it was me, I would pull the trigger on the XPA-2 anyway. More power for less money.

In addition of power/money thing, my additional logic is: growth. You see, the XPA-2 can be used in a bridged configuration @ 8 ohm "only". So, down the road you can add a second XPA-2 to your system. In other words, you will have a dedicated XPA-2 for the right channel and the other one for the left channel. But remember, you can only do that if you are using 8 ohm speakers. Which is your case already with the Energy Veritas.

If music is your thing, oh boy a pair of XPA-2's will blown you away!!!

On the Emotiva link provided by BarracudaDelGato, you will see the number to call Emotiva for international orders: 1-877-366-8324 or you can contact them by e-mail: sales@emotiva.com

They are really good responding to e-mails, so you will not wait for long to receive a response. Just keep in mind of the holidays and I'm not sure if they are going to be open tomorrow (12/24).

One more thing to consider (I know that you already mentioned that you want "new"), but you can ask Emotiva if they have "B" Stock on the XPA-2. You can save a bit there that might help you to offset part of the importation costs. Just something to consider.
post #332 of 1944
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

No, I didn't call them. I just followed the instructions on the website. I emailed them for a quote and they sent me a reply with the figures shown in my last post. I replied to the email, telling them I wanted to order and they sent me an invoice with a link to pay by Paypal.
I ordered and paid on the 14th (Fridday). It shipped on the 17th (Monday) and arrived here on the 21st.
My wife and daughter are going out later today, so I'll have a chance to run Audyssey and then finally have a listen!

Are they gone now!?!?!?

What do you think?!??!

Do you like it?!?!?

tboe77 are you there?!?!?


LOL...............congrats man. Hopefully everything will be alright and you will be one more completely satisfied Emotiva's customer.

BTW - as soon you have everything up and running, could you please share your initial impressions and provide a bit more information of the system that you are using? I know you have a Denon 3808CI, but what else do you have?
post #333 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Are they gone now!?!?!?
What do you think?!??!
Do you like it?!?!?
tboe77 are you there?!?!?
LOL...............congrats man. Hopefully everything will be alright and you will be one more completely satisfied Emotiva's customer.
BTW - as soon you have everything up and running, could you please share your initial impressions and provide a bit more information of the system that you are using? I know you have a Denon 3808CI, but what else do you have?

Hahaha . . . running Audyssey now. Measurements are done. The Denon is running the calculations now. Takes a bit of time. I'll also save the settings to my computer before doing anything else.

In the meantime my othe gear is:

Fronts: Paradigm Studio 20 v4
Center: Paradigm Studio CC-490 v5
Surrounds: Paradigm Mini Monitor v3
Subwoofer: SVS PB10-NSD
Display: Samsung PN50A550 (plasma)
PS3 (blu-ray)
Apple TV
post #334 of 1944
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

Hahaha . . . running Audyssey now. Measurements are done. The Denon is running the calculations now. Takes a bit of time. I'll also save the settings to my computer before doing anything else.
In the meantime my othe gear is:
Fronts: Paradigm Studio 20 v4
Center: Paradigm Studio CC-490 v5
Surrounds: Paradigm Mini Monitor v3
Subwoofer: SVS PB10-NSD
Display: Samsung PN50A550 (plasma)
PS3 (blu-ray)
Apple TV

Nice setup....thanks for sharing it. Looking forward to hear your impressions, but don't rush it.

Take your time to perform this, and go over the material that you know best. Like the best tracks that you like and have available. Or chapters in your favorites movies. So, you will be able to accurately identify if there are differences before and after your XPA-5.

Stay away from digital records (MP3 or such) with low sound quality, their flaws will be more evident with the addition of the XPA-5. In my case, they sounded pretty bad after adding my amps........tongue.gif
post #335 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

....So, you will be able to accurately identify if there are differences before and after your XPA-5.

Unfortunately, I can't be much help in this regard. I changed speakers at the same time I added the amplifier. There's definitely a big improvement in sound quality, but I can't say how much is due to the speakers and how much is due to the amp.

I just acquired the Studio series speakers this week. I had planned to run them on the AVR for a while, and get the amp later, but Emotiva's sale changed my mind. I had seen 10% off before, but at 15% off, I couldn't resist. Still, I didn't expect the XPA-5 to arrive so quickly. I thought I'd have the speakers a few days before it arrived. As it happened, though, I picked up the Studio 20s on Friday and the XPA-5 arrived that day as well. Then my wife told me she had plans to take our daughter on a play-date this morning, so I hooked everything up last night so that I'd be ready to run Audyssey as soon as they left.

I did so, and it sounds fantastic! SO much more detail, and much much better imaging. Also, it is so much smoother for music. The harshness I heard with my Titan Monitors is gone. I am VERY pleased with the sound. It has more punch, sounds more vibrant and "live".

This setup will have me grinning for a while! Merry Christmas to me! Hahaha . . .

Merry Christmas to all of you! I don't expect to be on here so much for the next few days, but I'll be back . . .
post #336 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

on there web site they dont take canada..
but i will email them nexts week..
what did you pay for duty on your order and the shipping by the way?
thanks

I think I paid about $80 between duties and the infamous "brokerage" fee. Freight was about $80. Then there's taxes, of course.
At least Emotiva will tell you in advance what all the costs are, then you can make your decision.
post #337 of 1944
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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post

Unfortunately, I can't be much help in this regard. I changed speakers at the same time I added the amplifier. There's definitely a big improvement in sound quality, but I can't say how much is due to the speakers and how much is due to the amp.
I just acquired the Studio series speakers this week. I had planned to run them on the AVR for a while, and get the amp later, but Emotiva's sale changed my mind. I had seen 10% off before, but at 15% off, I couldn't resist. Still, I didn't expect the XPA-5 to arrive so quickly. I thought I'd have the speakers a few days before it arrived. As it happened, though, I picked up the Studio 20s on Friday and the XPA-5 arrived that day as well. Then my wife told me she had plans to take our daughter on a play-date this morning, so I hooked everything up last night so that I'd be ready to run Audyssey as soon as they left.
I did so, and it sounds fantastic! SO much more detail, and much much better imaging. Also, it is so much smoother for music. The harshness I heard with my Titan Monitors is gone. I am VERY pleased with the sound. It has more punch, sounds more vibrant and "live".
This setup will have me grinning for a while! Merry Christmas to me! Hahaha . . .
Merry Christmas to all of you! I don't expect to be on here so much for the next few days, but I'll be back . . .

That's all cool man!

Important thing is that you are happy with your new toy. Post a couple of pics to see how everything looks....wink.gif

Merry Christmas to you too!

Cheers.
post #338 of 1944
mp3 sound really bad with amp thanks for letting me know...

to small for me to see now anyway, i just use cds for music and cable radio... cable good with amps for radio and tv via hd pvr CR13 thanks again..

will be doing more thinking and dreaming of amps...

xpa 2 300w for expansion or xpa 100 250w mono blocks 2 for a bit more but no expansion.. they say mono blocks sound better..

how many watts do you get with one channel on xpa2?

cheers
post #339 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

That's all cool man!
Important thing is that you are happy with your new toy. Post a couple of pics to see how everything looks....wink.gif
Merry Christmas to you too!
Cheers.
post #340 of 1944
Well after reading this entire thread. I will be ordering my xpa-5 tomorrow. To power my studio 100 v5, cc 690 v5 and my 2 adp 590's. I just finished my HT theater and it sounds good now, but I want it to sound great. My amp is marantz 7007. Can't wait smile.gif
post #341 of 1944
great set up tboe...

look at the size of the amp.. does it have enough ventilation there? also would this amp need its own 15 amp dedicated circuit?

i was looking on the emotiva web site but could get answer to what the warranty time is on the amps?

enjoy your system

Cheers
post #342 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

mp3 sound really bad with amp thanks for letting me know...
to small for me to see now anyway, i just use cds for music and cable radio... cable good with amps for radio and tv via hd pvr CR13 thanks again..
will be doing more thinking and dreaming of amps...
xpa 2 300w for expansion or xpa 100 250w mono blocks 2 for a bit more but no expansion.. they say mono blocks sound better..
how many watts do you get with one channel on xpa2?
cheers

Low bit MP3 will sound bad. However, high quality MP3 are the ones that I'm using now and everything is fine.

You got it on the difference between the XPA-2 or XPA-100. Go with the one that you thing is going to be best for you.

I don't have a straight answer on the real power on XPA-2 bridged (one channel). But as per the information available on the net, the power measured is around 800 to 1000 watts.....eek.gif

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Originally Posted by tboe77 View Post


Congrats man! Really cool setup you have at home........enjoy!
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Originally Posted by Lebreeze View Post

Well after reading this entire thread. I will be ordering my xpa-5 tomorrow. To power my studio 100 v5, cc 690 v5 and my 2 adp 590's. I just finished my HT theater and it sounds good now, but I want it to sound great. My amp is marantz 7007. Can't wait smile.gif

Welcome to the club!

Please prepare your best material to give it a nice try to the new amp and post back your initial impressions. BTW - that Marantz is a beauty!
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

great set up tboe...
look at the size of the amp.. does it have enough ventilation there? also would this amp need its own 15 amp dedicated circuit?
i was looking on the emotiva web site but could get answer to what the warranty time is on the amps?
enjoy your system
Cheers

Is a 5 years warranty on the amps that is transferable if you decided to sell it later. Big plus on resell value.....wink.gif

Cash that you might need to buy a tube amp in few years, perhaps. cool.gif
post #343 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

great set up tboe...
look at the size of the amp.. does it have enough ventilation there? also would this amp need its own 15 amp dedicated circuit?
i was looking on the emotiva web site but could get answer to what the warranty time is on the amps?
enjoy your system
Cheers

Yes it has plenty of ventilation there. It doesn't need a dedicated circuit (at least not in my house, anyway).

The warranty is 5 years.
post #344 of 1944
at what point do you have to much power ready to go to speakers from amps?

does the volume control limit there fait? and would the recievers limiter stop it ? sounds kinda dum but i like to ask lots of questions..

think the tubes are out of my budget less i win the lotto.. im just on a disability pension.. getting an amp is a better vacation that last and last...

need to buy a ticket tho..

i think im back looking at the xpa 2 but was peeking at the xpr 2 would that power melt my veritas 6.3... 600 watts.. real clean power by the thd.

and has less gain what does that mean gain 32 or 29 for xpr 2

and the damping is much higher 2x > 1000 ive read that is real good... would the xpr 2 be too much power?

kinda like getting 2 xpa 2 bridged but better..

i have read more speakers blow by clipping than by excessive power .. how loud would they be before then blow?

thanks again CR13

cheers eh..
post #345 of 1944
Pretty hard to say for home audio speakers considering the power ratings aren't usually as well defined as for pro audio speakers. However, in my opinion, once you're going with twice as much or more power as the speaker mfg recommends then you're probably, from a practical standpoint, in that "too much power" range.

On the other hand, from an operational standpoint, YOU control whether or not the speaker blows. It's not the amp, it's not the volume control, it's YOU that determines what happens by how YOU operate the equipment.

Clipping is generally not well understood. The clipped waveform in and of itself is not the primary factor in whether or not the speaker blows. When an amp is driven into clipping more power can be delivered to the drivers and that is the main reason they can blow. But, by that same token, a small amp driven to clipping all day long won't hurt a speaker with sufficient power handling capacity. It's complex thing. Clipping, while not good, isn't necessarily a death sentence for a speaker and certainly not necessarily an instant one.
Edited by whoaru99 - 12/24/12 at 7:22am
post #346 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

..... they say mono blocks sound better...
Even if, in some cases, monoblocks might sound better (I don't want to start an argument here) , I'm a believer in upgrading the weakest links in the audio chain and figuring in bang-for-the-buck. The first question I'd ask myself is, is it reasonable to expect better SQ from monos in my setup? The second is, if so, would that added bit of SQ be worth the added expense, size, etc. vs a MC amp?
post #347 of 1944
well just bought some new speakers energy rc 70.. thanks santa..

250 watt rms.

now i need to figure out what amp to get.. i think the reciever 3313ci 7.2 125 w/c can handle the movies by itself but not the music 2 channel stuff when i crank it up for the odd tune.. i also running an energy sub v sv 10 300 watt rms 1200 peak.. i did have the energy veritas but i had to take em back cause they starting smoking after 80 hrs of playing time well one did anyways..
my buddie said to check the rc 70 out.. almost the same speaker..

now what amp to get.. im looking at the xpa 100 250 watt mono block no expansio

the xpa 2 300 watt.. more power and expansion at lower cost per channel than mono block..

man its a tuff decision..

can anyone tell me what this means " Minimum Recommended Load Impedance (each channel): 4 ohms (which equals one 4 ohm load or two paralleled 8 ohm loads per channel)"

all i know is that rc 70 is 8 ohm.. the paralleled part is confusing me..

would the xpr 5 400 watt be too much power considering future surrounds and centers may only be 150 watt and 200 watt respectively...

merry christmas..
post #348 of 1944
Hi Tboe

Just wondering if your xpa 5 is still running great ?


cheers
post #349 of 1944
Yeah, delta, it's running perfectly! I've really been enjoying music since I got my Studio 20s and my XPA-5.

I'm going to have the house to myself on Friday, so I'll have a chance to watch a movie or two!
post #350 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

well just bought some new speakers energy rc 70.. thanks santa..
250 watt rms.
now i need to figure out what amp to get.. i think the reciever 3313ci 7.2 125 w/c can handle the movies by itself but not the music 2 channel stuff when i crank it up for the odd tune.. i also running an energy sub v sv 10 300 watt rms 1200 peak.. i did have the energy veritas but i had to take em back cause they starting smoking after 80 hrs of playing time well one did anyways..
my buddie said to check the rc 70 out.. almost the same speaker..
now what amp to get.. im looking at the xpa 100 250 watt mono block no expansio
the xpa 2 300 watt.. more power and expansion at lower cost per channel than mono block..
man its a tuff decision..
can anyone tell me what this means " Minimum Recommended Load Impedance (each channel): 4 ohms (which equals one 4 ohm load or two paralleled 8 ohm loads per channel)"
all i know is that rc 70 is 8 ohm.. the paralleled part is confusing me..
would the xpr 5 400 watt be too much power considering future surrounds and centers may only be 150 watt and 200 watt respectively...
merry christmas..

Delta, so did you finally decide what to buy?
post #351 of 1944
i think im more undecided than ever CR13...

i did purchase some rc 70 christmas eve on the web great price.. waiting for arrival...

250 watt rms max 92 95 db sensitivity.. 8 ohm 4.2ohm at 100khz tho one review said ave above 6..

think of buying 5 for a surround system.. little hard to fit it in the center tho..

i keep looking at the xpa 2 and wounder if i would blow the speaker with to much power would i know its way to loud before that point?

looking at xpa 3 and 5

looking at xpa 100 or even the xpa 200 150 w/c

with the denon 3313ci would that give a good sounding experience with the xpa 2 give more dynamic, clarity, and bigger sound stage ?
post #352 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

with the denon 3313ci would that give a good sounding experience with the xpa 2 give more dynamic, clarity, and bigger sound stage ?

Yes, that is what I achieved by adding an XPA-2 to drive my fronts and the XPA-5 to take care of the rest of the speakers. So, basically I was using my Yamaha RX-A1010 as pre-amp.

You will be the one behind the wheel taking control of the volume level, so you can be confident that you will not be pushing the speakers to its limits. I don't think your ears will allow you anyway..........wink.gif

I'm currently listening music and I can't pass -15dB on my receiver, it is way too loud, but at the same time only clean sound "no" distortion at all. Wait............they are playing Faithfully by Journey............-10dB here I go!
post #353 of 1944
glade to hear tboe...
post #354 of 1944
very cool CR13

your speakers are a bit more power hungry than mine tho eh...

i just go an email from emotiva and he is recommending the mono blocks.. xpa 100

he says "After looking closely at the RC-70 speakers I would recommend (2)XPA-100 mono blocks. The voicing of the RC-70 is more in line with the architecture of the XPA-100"

and you get the mono block separation of that wee bit of sound....

you know i think i will go for the xpa 100 a bit less power... but let me sleep on it im known to change my mind alot.. i do have anxiety issues smile.gif

oh well back to shovelling the driveway got more snow than i thought and its cold out there...

its very good to hear from people that are enjoying there emotiva amps... helps me out alot..

do you think i should get em to throw in some of the great looking 10 gauge spiker wire and rca cables as well...

cheers

if im happy im sure i will be back for more... i was looking at very expensive 4 ohm speakers if i ever get a big win.. the mono blocks could handle them too... maybe an xpa 5 too

for surrounds one day too...

man its cold out lol
post #355 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

very cool CR13
your speakers are a bit more power hungry than mine tho eh...
i just go an email from emotiva and he is recommending the mono blocks.. xpa 100
he says "After looking closely at the RC-70 speakers I would recommend (2)XPA-100 mono blocks. The voicing of the RC-70 is more in line with the architecture of the XPA-100"
and you get the mono block separation of that wee bit of sound....
you know i think i will go for the xpa 100 a bit less power... but let me sleep on it im known to change my mind alot.. i do have anxiety issues smile.gif
oh well back to shovelling the driveway got more snow than i thought and its cold out there...
its very good to hear from people that are enjoying there emotiva amps... helps me out alot..
do you think i should get em to throw in some of the great looking 10 gauge spiker wire and rca cables as well...
cheers
if im happy im sure i will be back for more... i was looking at very expensive 4 ohm speakers if i ever get a big win.. the mono blocks could handle them too... maybe an xpa 5 too
for surrounds one day too...
man its cold out lol

Nothing better to go directly to the source. If the fine folks at Emotiva are recommending you to go with the XPA-100 then do it man. Yeah, you can always add a XPA-5 later for the rest of your speakers.

About wire speakers, I built my own cables (see pics below) and I purchased Monoprice's interconnects.




Try to stay warm man!
post #356 of 1944
real nice looking cable CR13...

i build bass traps LOL.. 2 so far... have enough acoustic nsulation for 2 more... will be a good start..

need some more fabric..

i should just do it and hope for the best...

just a bit more shovelling to go back at it... warm me up break

thanks CR

cheers
post #357 of 1944
Well,the upgraditis of my HT is in full swing..Here is my question..

My System

Panny AE4000(replaced Panny PT-AX200U)
106' Elite Screen
Denon 3808CI(replaced Denon 3803)
Klipsch RF7
Klipsch RC7(replaced RC3 FINALLY!) : )
Klipssch RB3
Klipsch RW12(being replaced by Rythmik FV15HP)

Now Im looking @ the XPA-5 because of the sale.My room is 15x18 with a cathedral ceiling.I do mostly movies moderate to high levels.
I have been told constantly that using an AVR with my RF7's is really limiting and I should put 200 watts through them and the XPA-5 fits the bill for my wallet.Not interested in ear splitting levels but more for quality,soundstage etc.Will this be a waste of $$ ?
Was also thinking about the UMC 200 but I see a lot of people using Denon AVrs for the job.i got 3808CI like new for $400 a few weeks back so should I keep it or go for the UMC 200?

Thanks for any input.
post #358 of 1944
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Originally Posted by GIXX1300 View Post

Well,the upgraditis of my HT is in full swing..Here is my question..
My System
Panny AE4000(replaced Panny PT-AX200U)
106' Elite Screen
Denon 3808CI(replaced Denon 3803)
Klipsch RF7
Klipsch RC7(replaced RC3 FINALLY!) : )
Klipssch RB3
Klipsch RW12(being replaced by Rythmik FV15HP)
Now Im looking @ the XPA-5 because of the sale.My room is 15x18 with a cathedral ceiling.I do mostly movies moderate to high levels.
I have been told constantly that using an AVR with my RF7's is really limiting and I should put 200 watts through them and the XPA-5 fits the bill for my wallet.Not interested in ear splitting levels but more for quality,soundstage etc.Will this be a waste of $$ ?
Was also thinking about the UMC 200 but I see a lot of people using Denon AVrs for the job.i got 3808CI like new for $400 a few weeks back so should I keep it or go for the UMC 200?
Thanks for any input.

The Denon 3808CI is a really good receiver and it's listed at 130 watts per channel. But, we know it is not exactly accurate, if you have more than two speakers hooked to the receiver. So, to answer your question (my personal experience): "yes", you will gain in sound quality by really giving 200 watts of clean power to each of your speakers. If you listening habits are moderate to high levels, then the XPA-5 is a great option for you. In any case you can try the amp at home and if you don't like it, then you can return it back to Emotiva. But, I really doubt it will happen........wink.gif

You can't really beat the Dollar/Watts ratio by buying a XPA-5 amp.
post #359 of 1944
Hi Cr 13

any chance you could explian what this means


does this mean it will work with 8 ohm speaker?

Minimum Recommended Load Impedance (each channel): 4 ohms (which equals one 4 ohm load or two paralleled 8 ohm loads per channel)

thanks
post #360 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

The Denon 3808CI is a really good receiver and it's listed at 130 watts per channel. But, we know it is not exactly accurate, if you have more than two speakers hooked to the receiver. So, to answer your question (my personal experience): "yes", you will gain in sound quality by really giving 200 watts of clean power to each of your speakers. If you listening habits are moderate to high levels, then the XPA-5 is a great option for you. In any case you can try the amp at home and if you don't like it, then you can return it back to Emotiva. But, I really doubt it will happen........wink.gif
You can't really beat the Dollar/Watts ratio by buying a XPA-5 amp.


the Denon 3808CI was measured by Home Theater.com at
119 watts per channel (5 channels driven) .1% distortion.
Thats VERY close to the spec of 130wpc.

7 channel performance was only 113 wpc!

I'd say that is pretty accurate smile.gif

http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-3808ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures
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