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post #661 of 1292
I wanted better sound then what the Integra gives. Like better speakers but I was hoping to get that in a receiver or amp to tide me over till I was able to get new speakers. I am bored with the Integra but I get bored easily. I wanted AirPlay. I'm bored with my speakers too. Just wanting a change and improvement in sound.

The room is my bedroom. 15' long x 12' wide x 8' high. Carpet. Carpet like drapes over window. Window covered with big bathrobe to keep light out. The room is empty cept my bed and shelf on one wall. Not big. Front Speakers are on one wall on shelves. Surround on other side of room. Sub in front right corner. Front left and right are a few feet from the side walls. Center in between those of course.
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post #663 of 1292
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

I wanted better sound then what the Integra gives. Like better speakers but I was hoping to get that in a receiver or amp to tide me over till I was able to get new speakers. I am bored with the Integra but I get bored easily. I wanted AirPlay. I'm bored with my speakers too. Just wanting a change and improvement in sound.

The room is my bedroom. 15' long x 12' wide x 8' high. Carpet. Carpet like drapes over window. Window covered with big bathrobe to keep light out. The room is empty cept my bed and shelf on one wall. Not big. Front Speakers are on one wall on shelves. Surround on other side of room. Sub in front right corner. Front left and right are a few feet from the side walls. Center in between those of course.

I did somewhat of a search to see what M&K owners use for amps, but couldn't find anything definitive thus far, though NAD and Parasound were mentioned. I think a processor will have the greatest effect on the sound, besides the speakers of course. It does seem that room correction does neuter a speaker somewhat, or remove some of the uniqueness it might have, as it tailors the sound to the room.

Since you don't have a large room, 200 watts would be more than enough. Would it be possible to try a NAD AVR? Unlike most AVRs, they still put a substantial amp section in their AVRs. Other than that, it's hard to know what you're hearing.
post #664 of 1292
Yes I can try the NAD T757. In fact when I was demoing receivers at the place they had a few Integra models, Rotel, pioneer and the NAD. The NAD T757 sounded better then everything. What I mean is a wider sound from the speakers compared to the others. I can get it for about $1300. However they tell me it has HDMI issues. Plus it doesn't even use audysse xt I think. I think it only uses multeq. The one before xt which is before xt32.
post #665 of 1292
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

I wanted better sound then what the Integra gives. Like better speakers but I was hoping to get that in a receiver or amp to tide me over till I was able to get new speakers. I am bored with the Integra but I get bored easily. I wanted AirPlay. I'm bored with my speakers too. Just wanting a change and improvement in sound.
 

 

 

OK. You won't get better sound by changing the amps, as you have already discovered, unless your current amps are unable to drive your speakers properly, which currently is not the case. Better sound will come from upgrading the speakers or attending to the room-induced problems. If you are just bored with the Integra then change it - but you won't hear any difference in sound simply because the new one has different amps, but see below for more thoughts on that. 

 

Because speakers are very different from each other in SQ, nobody can really advise you there. All you can do is read some reviews of speakers in your price range and, if possible listen to some in your own room. That latter is important because the room is so influential on the final sound, so listening to the speakers anywhere but your own room is fairly pointless. If you can find a dealer who has a very good, properly treated demo room, then you can compare different speakers in that room, but once you get the chosen set home, they will sound different. I am assuming you can't or don't want to consider room treatments, so your only alternative is to consider electronic room EQ, such as Audyssey MultEQ XT32. XT32 is a significant step up from other versions of MultEQ and, in the absence of room treatments, will give you an audible improvement in SQ. So if you really want to swap out the AVR, don't choose one with less than XT32. 

 

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The room is my bedroom. 15' long x 12' wide x 8' high. Carpet. Carpet like drapes over window. Window covered with big bathrobe to keep light out. The room is empty cept my bed and shelf on one wall. Not big. Front Speakers are on one wall on shelves. Surround on other side of room. Sub in front right corner. Front left and right are a few feet from the side walls. Center in between those of course.

 

You might experiment with sub placement by doing a sub crawl.  What exactly is it about the sound you currently have that you dislike?  Is it boomy bass, muddy mid-range, harsh highs, difficult to hear dialogue - what is it you are not happy with?

post #666 of 1292
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

 
I did somewhat of a search to see what M&K owners use for amps, but couldn't find anything definitive thus far, though NAD and Parasound were mentioned. I think a processor will have the greatest effect on the sound, besides the speakers of course. It does seem that room correction does neuter a speaker somewhat, or remove some of the uniqueness it might have, as it tailors the sound to the room.

 

Electronic EQ attempts to remove negative room-induced issues from the equation. It doesn't especially alter the characteristics of the speaker - it simply allows the speaker to perform in the best possible acoustic environment. For example, by helping create tighter bass or clearer treble (for example) it rather allows the speaker characteristics to 'shine through'. 

post #667 of 1292
Well, that's one side of it anyway. I mean, a speaker will have some dips and peaks across its range, and when you apply room correction, it's an attempt to alter that usually because of room characteristics. It will do the same thing to all speakers you would demo in that room(within reason) and therefore make them all sound more similar than they would have.
Edited by runnin' - 1/18/13 at 12:54pm
post #668 of 1292
There's not a problem with room treatment. I can do anything I want to my bedroom.
My bass is good so there's no issue there.
I just want better sound in general. I'd like to try a different sound. Just would like a change.

Don't have a budget. I'm broke for long time to pay bills. But up to a point ill spend whatever it takes. If I found something I liked enough and it's cheaper then great.

It is possible I could sell my speakers and get new ones.
post #669 of 1292
That was my route and I actually upgraded my sound by a lot. I went for 12 year old reference klipsch (sold for 650$) and bought my front three psb's for yup 650. It was a big upgrade in sound quality.

I found selling one thing to get another is the way to go.

But if you don't make special room treatments specific to your room modes then you HAVE to use audyssey.
post #670 of 1292
I have been happy so far with the sound. I guess it just depends on what you expect going in. As for the white noise I here when only the amp is on, I am told it is normal operation from Emo. It isn't noticeable when I have a source turned on so I am not worried about.
post #671 of 1292
Man I really would like to get an in home trial with the Martin Logan ESL. But don't know how.
post #672 of 1292
I might try the Arcam AVR360 one last time just to cover all options for now. I'm nervouse though.
post #673 of 1292
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

I might try the Arcam AVR360 one last time just to cover all options for now. I'm nervouse though.

It just seems like you are trying to talk yourself into other equipment rather than trying what you currently have for more than one day. You barely kept your XPA-5 before stating you were unhappy. And looking into that Arcam, it doesn't seem as though it is going to be better than Integra or Marantz or whatever else you have tried... it seems to have great reviews for audio but movies are mediocre according to home theater review. Are you just looking to spend money?!
post #674 of 1292
No. Just trying stuff out.
post #675 of 1292
I'm going somewhere to check out the Arcam and the Martin Logan ElectroMotion ESLs that are $2199.
post #676 of 1292
It must be nice to just keep trying stuff out lol. I wish I could do the same but I enjoy researching more than just buying to try. Hopefully you find something you enjoy.

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post #677 of 1292
I'm not going anymore. I quit.
post #678 of 1292
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I'm not going anymore. I quit.

quit what?
post #679 of 1292
I didn't go. And I quit. I am done trying to buy receiver/amp. I give up.
post #680 of 1292
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

I didn't go. And I quit. I am done trying to buy receiver/amp. I give up.

 

The best way to find out what is going on with the sound in your room is to invest in some measuring gear and run a few measurements. They will show you where the problems are that you need to address - these could, for example, be frequency response peaks and dips, ringing (when the sound doesn’t stop when it should, especially with the bass, smearing (caused by reflections), poor imaging, etc etc. Once you know where the problems are, it is then easier to decide what you need to do to fix them and get better sound.

 

One of the best measuring software tools is Room EQ Wizard (REW) which is free (get it from Home Theatre Shack REW forum). If you get the latest Beta 5.x, all you need in addition* is a USB mic, which will cost you about $90. There are many forum threads that can help you get started (one specifically for the Beta 5.x software is linked in my sig). Spending $90 on a mic and the time to learn how to use REW will be a far, far better investment for you than blindly picking one AVR after another, or one set of speakers after another, in the hope they will give you want you are looking for.

 

*You will also need a PC to connect to your AVR and mic - a laptop is preferable but any reasonably recent model will do. I am assuming you have a PC or we wouldn't be reading each others' posts LOL.

post #681 of 1292
I concur that investment in measurement gear is one of the best values in upgrading. I would recommend Omnimic especially if you are new to acoustic measurement.
post #682 of 1292
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I concur that investment in measurement gear is one of the best values in upgrading. I would recommend Omnimic especially if you are new to acoustic measurement.

 

Yes, good point - I should have mentioned that. One of the downsides of OM is that it costs about $300 IIRC - but the big upside is ease of use without question. 

Are you lurking in the new REW thread (see my sig)?  I am sure it is only a matter of time before you switch to REW :)

post #683 of 1292
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Yes, good point - I should have mentioned that. One of the downsides of OM is that it costs about $300 IIRC - but the big upside is ease of use without question. 
Are you lurking in the new REW thread (see my sig)?  I am sure it is only a matter of time before you switch to REW smile.gif

No, not lurking there yet. Thinking of getting a USB mic pre-amp/phantom power source for my Dayton measurement mic so I can try to learn REW. I draw the line at getting a RS sound level meter though, I'll just have to use it without it.
post #684 of 1292
Awesome ideas.
I'm on my iPod touch lol. That's how I surf the net.
I have an iMac, 2 windows laptops and a desktop pc.

I'll take pictures of my room today and post.

I was thinking to keep the XPA. Then at least I have my amp already for when I do upgrade speakers eventually. Because I'm guessing speakers I get would love the power even though I won't be playing loud. Unless it wouldn't matter. However I do think ill return the amp no matter what. Because it'll be a long time before I upgrade speakers.

What's a USB mic? I mean I know kinda but specifically I don't. Is this something I could get from Guitar Center?
post #685 of 1292
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Yes, good point - I should have mentioned that. One of the downsides of OM is that it costs about $300 IIRC - but the big upside is ease of use without question. 
Are you lurking in the new REW thread (see my sig)?  I am sure it is only a matter of time before you switch to REW smile.gif

No, not lurking there yet. Thinking of getting a USB mic pre-amp/phantom power source for my Dayton measurement mic so I can try to learn REW. I draw the line at getting a RS sound level meter though, I'll just have to use it without it.

 

You can use your existing USB mic to experiment with the ver 5.x Beta of REW. This is what I did to see if I could learn REW. The measurements won't be accurate (mic not calibrated for REW) but you will be able to do everything else to get the hang of it. I have found it fairly straightforward. If your laptop has HDMI and supports multichannel, it is even easier to get up and running. Download AustinJerry's brilliant 'starter guide' and see - I'll attach it for you. You can eve use your Audyssey mic for the purposes of experimentation!

 

Sorry for going OT guys - but it would be a good idea for the OP to read this too and see what is involved in measuring his room, before he decides to spend serious wedge on new amps or speakers.

 

 

 

REW 101 v1-5.pdf 3,700k .pdf file
post #686 of 1292
I have a desktop in the living room with my a/v setup so I use that. It's HDMI output is already hooked up to my receiver so it's ready to go. I wish Bill would release the 5.1 channel test DVD, Omnimic would be all I needed then.
post #687 of 1292
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Awesome ideas.
I'm on my iPod touch lol. That's how I surf the net.
I have an iMac, 2 windows laptops and a desktop pc.

I'll take pictures of my room today and post.

I was thinking to keep the XPA. Then at least I have my amp already for when I do upgrade speakers eventually. Because I'm guessing speakers I get would love the power even though I won't be playing loud. Unless it wouldn't matter. However I do think ill return the amp no matter what. Because it'll be a long time before I upgrade speakers.

What's a USB mic? I mean I know kinda but specifically I don't. Is this something I could get from Guitar Center?

 

Not a bad idea to future-proof yourself by keeping the XPA-3. It will drive more or less anything.

 

USB mic for REW:

 

http://cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_umm6.html

post #688 of 1292
I remember seeing somewhere there being a very cheap "omnimic" clone that came with the software as well. I wish I could find the link
post #689 of 1292
Remember I have the XPA-5. smile.gif
I'm thinking rew and mic is way over my head since I have some learning issues at times and stuff.
post #690 of 1292
Buggs1a gmail. Someone email me and I'll send photo of my room then you can post here. I only use my iPod for the net. Please.
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