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post #721 of 1944
Currently interested in an xpa-3, but wondering how much of a difference is there from 130wpc to 200wpc? I have an onkyo 805 that supplies 130wpc and would use 2ch to power the 2 surround speakers. Would there be a significant difference from the front 3 to the rears with 70 watts of a difference or should i just get an xpa-5?
post #722 of 1944
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

Currently interested in an xpa-3, but wondering how much of a difference is there from 130wpc to 200wpc? I have an onkyo 805 that supplies 130wpc and would use 2ch to power the 2 surround speakers. Would there be a significant difference from the front 3 to the rears with 70 watts of a difference or should i just get an xpa-5?

Well, if you are planning on using your system mainly for movies, then you will be fine by purchasing the XPA-3 to drive your two fronts and center channel. The surround speakers are not that demanding and therefore you receiver will be able to drive them without issues.

Now, if you are also into music and you want to listening your tracks with all the speakers playing at the same level, then you should go with the XPA-5. So, that way you are also helping your Onkyo to run cooler by not needing it to amplify sound for your speakers.

My two cents!
post #723 of 1944
I just received my xpa-5 and i am caught off guard with how massive and heavy this amp is. You don't realize it until you pick it up. My question is, does anybody have there amp sitting on a tempered glass stand? I don't see any warnings on the glass?
post #724 of 1944
I have my XPA-5, Pioneer Elite SC-35, Furman Elite and Oppo player on one tempered, horizontal tempered glass shelf.... I would read the manufactures specs though.

You are right though. The XPA-5 is heavier and deeper than I thought it would be. Got mine yesterday and had to help the female FedEx driver.
post #725 of 1944
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i dont think it was a good blind test demo.. you said the parasound was immediately BETTER... why the heck are you pulling your hair out???

i thought i had aniexty...well better do another test...

cheers

I guess my anxiety comes from spending twice or three times the price of the emotiva. It's been discussed to death....but I don't know why, when listening to music or movie with dialogue, that a Parasound A52 at low volumes, is crisp, clear and satisfying to the ear, however, when trying the emotiva for a week, I found the sound tingy, and not warm. I can't put a finger on it, but the SQ just sounds different.

Keep in mind XPA-5 has 5x200, while the Parasound A52 is only 5x125. Does it have to do with the components in the parasound? Or is the power "cleaner"? I am new in the amp world.

Thanks,
E4

i really dont know alot about em either been looking and reading for a few months at various sites.. but i would say a biological test is the most sensitive of all test ... some bio test can go 10 to the power of nano.. 10 to the power of -9 in microbiology i remember using some numbers to that effect with certain test...your average bacteria is 22 microns or so 22 x 10 to the power of -6
war of the worlds stuff eh... nano technology... star trek lol...

dont know if your ears are that good but if you like it buy it.. its only money.. why dont you try and xpa 3 or 2 or i like the xpa 100 mono blocks.. that should be the cleanest of all on paper..
ive heard many people say tube amps are real warm sounding. have no idea if true or false..

cheers..
post #726 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

No comments on my room? People said photos would help. Now they're here and no comments yet?
Bummer. frown.gif

First. I know about the center. No shelf yet so that's where it is for now.

Hey Bugs..

just my 2cents worth .. your room is not that big do you have neighbors you might wake or complain about the rackets? you live in a room? i think your money maybe better saved for a house
and improved living conditions.. not thats its my business.. i was an account executive stock and commodity broker for a dozen years and before that traded on the floor of the Toronto stock exchange for a few years talk about stress LOL and aneixty jesus no wonder im so crzy... ive made 6 figures in a day! thats like 10 to the power of 5.. what a feeling..
not to mention losing 10 to the power of 4 in a few heart beats just to balance out eh!!!!

something to think about..
post #727 of 1944
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Originally Posted by dphinsx2 View Post

I just received my xpa-5 and i am caught off guard with how massive and heavy this amp is. You don't realize it until you pick it up. My question is, does anybody have there amp sitting on a tempered glass stand? I don't see any warnings on the glass?

how could you not know you where buying a massive paper wt?

nothing like getting a big rock delivery eh.. hope in drives your speakers into sonic nirvana!!!!!!!! lucky guy..

cheers..
post #728 of 1944
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

Currently interested in an xpa-3, but wondering how much of a difference is there from 130wpc to 200wpc? I have an onkyo 805 that supplies 130wpc and would use 2ch to power the 2 surround speakers. Would there be a significant difference from the front 3 to the rears with 70 watts of a difference or should i just get an xpa-5?

Well, if you are planning on using your system mainly for movies, then you will be fine by purchasing the XPA-3 to drive your two fronts and center channel. The surround speakers are not that demanding and therefore you receiver will be able to drive them without issues.

Now, if you are also into music and you want to listening your tracks with all the speakers playing at the same level, then you should go with the XPA-5. So, that way you are also helping your Onkyo to run cooler by not needing it to amplify sound for your speakers.

My two cents!

and CR13 got the system to put his money where his advice is... love that...

cheers
post #729 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

i dont think it was a good blind test demo.. you said the parasound was immediately BETTER... why the heck are you pulling your hair out???

i thought i had aniexty...well better do another test...

cheers

I guess my anxiety comes from spending twice or three times the price of the emotiva. It's been discussed to death....but I don't know why, when listening to music or movie with dialogue, that a Parasound A52 at low volumes, is crisp, clear and satisfying to the ear, however, when trying the emotiva for a week, I found the sound tingy, and not warm. I can't put a finger on it, but the SQ just sounds different.

Keep in mind XPA-5 has 5x200, while the Parasound A52 is only 5x125. Does it have to do with the components in the parasound? Or is the power "cleaner"? I am new in the amp world.

Thanks,
E4

 

Unless you have both amps in the same room at the same time, connected to the same gear and level-matched to 0.1dB, and you can't see either amp, it's impossible to conduct a valid listening test. Also, if you check the independent, measured test results for both amps I am sure you will find they are identical in all of the parmeters that can make an audible difference.

 

But, as Theresa says, you believe you can hear a difference and on that basis it seems unlikely you will be satisfied with anything else but the Parasound, so just go ahead and buy it and enjoy owning and listening to it.

 

One thing I would say - when there IS an audible difference between amps it is invariably because one amp is being overdriven - which usually means it doesn’t have enough power for the job in hand. Personally, knowing that more power is likely the only thing that can make an audible difference (in the circs I describe), I would perhaps be wary of choosing a 125 watt amp over a 200 watt amp.

post #730 of 1944
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

Currently interested in an xpa-3, but wondering how much of a difference is there from 130wpc to 200wpc? I have an onkyo 805 that supplies 130wpc and would use 2ch to power the 2 surround speakers. Would there be a significant difference from the front 3 to the rears with 70 watts of a difference or should i just get an xpa-5?

Every doubling of wattage is a 3dB increase in sound output. 3dB of additional headroom can be very useful when the system is running hard and there is a lot of dynamic range to contend with in the source.  The thing is, the Onkyo is specced at 130 watts but that is almost certainly with one channel driven. The likely spec with 5 channels driven is probably about 80/90 watts. The Emo OTOH is specced at 200 watts with all channels driven, so in reality has twice or more the output of the Onk. This extra power gives you more 'headroom' so in situations where the Onk could be pushing close to its limits and starting to sound strained, the Emo will be cruising. If you usually listen at fairly low levels this may not matter much - if you like it loud it will matter more. If you want to achieve movie Reference level, it is crucial. 

 

You have a couple of options: get the XPA and power the Left, Centre and Right channels with it and use the Onk for the surrounds (a very good option). Or get an XPA-5 and use the Onk as a prepro. Also a very good option but it will cost you more. If cash is a main factor, go with Option 1. If it isn't, go with Option 2. 

 

If you go with the XPA 3, you won’t have a problem with the Onk powering the surrounds - they require less than the mains anyway.

post #731 of 1944
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

ive heard many people say tube amps are real warm sounding. have no idea if true or false..

cheers..

 

They are. I have had several over the years. They sound 'warm' though simply because of the distortion inherit in tube amps. It is real easy to make a SS amp sound just like a tube amp - but nobody wants their amp acting as a tone control now we can have amps that are truly transparent to the source.

post #732 of 1944
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Originally Posted by jevans64 View Post

First thing I'd do is go to the Emotiva website and click on the " International Quote Form " at the bottom of the page. Fill out the information and they will give you a shipping quote. You might find that it would be cheaper to get an Onkyo or Denon receiver that will do 9 channels at more than 125 watts / channel. Running it with just 5 or 7 channels active should give you enough to drive those B&W with authority.

As far as the STR-DG820. You'll probably see 50-60 watts into 5 or 7 channels at decent distortion levels. You won't be able to add external amps to it anyway and getting a receiver with that capability is going to COST. Only vendor that offers a decent lineup of receivers with preamp outs is Onkyo. Their entry receiver is the TX-NR717 for this year or the TX-NR709 for last year. Main problem with the Onkyo receivers is that they run HOT. You'll need an open rack for those. Their amplifier sections are generally better than Denon in their low to mid receivers. Minimum Denon receiver with preamp out is AVR-3312ci or 3313ci.

Thanks. It's pretty dumb, but I hadn't realised I wouldn't be able to plug the power amp to my Sony receiver...
Need to think about this, as I've reached a point where I don't really know what I want anymore:
A - A great 5.1 surround system
B - A cheaper surround system + a great 2.0 for audio

Anyway, I emailed Emotiva and they replied on the following day with a quote.
$1.142 with shipping through FedEX, which amounts to around 850euros.
Adding 21% VAT, little more than 1.000 EUR, customs fees etc I expect this could reach €1.250 , which is still way cheaper than any other dedicated 200W power amp I can find here. Although it IS the cost of an A/V receiver.

Thanks for the tips on A/V receivers with pre-out. What do you think of the Marantz ones, though? Very recently bought a Marantz CD6004 and maybe it would work best with a Marantz amp.
post #733 of 1944
Tube amps can be made to sound almost as transparent as solid state amps. That warm "tube" sound is desired by most who buy tube amps so that is how they are designed. Its interesting (to me anyway) that solid state amps can be designed to have that "tube sound" too. I think Keith has such an amp in his music only system. I'm thinking of getting a tube headphone amp as I spend several hours each day listening with headphones. But as Keith says its better to have transparency as that will suit all material, not just some.
post #734 of 1944
is it possible that the amp channels in an avr have more crosstalk where the separation isn't as good as with a separate amp (i thought i read that somewhere) if not then I suffer from the placebo effect since my separation is uncanny now i have the emo instead of my denon 1611 (which has been replaced by the onkyo809/xpa5 combo)

also although the benefits arent as great....I definitely hear a difference while listening at low volumes...in fact this is where I feel more power shines in sound quality (although blasting it at reference without distortion is fun too)YMMV
post #735 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

is it possible that the amp channels in an avr have more crosstalk where the separation isn't as good as with a separate amp (i thought i read that somewhere) if not then I suffer from the placebo effect since my separation is uncanny now i have the emo instead of my denon 1611 (which has been replaced by the onkyo809/xpa5 combo)

also although the benefits arent as great....I definitely hear a difference while listening at low volumes...in fact this is where I feel more power shines in sound quality (although blasting it at reference without distortion is fun too)YMMV

placebo or not, you bring me hope....I too upgraded from a denon 1611 to an onk 809 and my xpa 5 is due to be delivered today. biggrin.gif

I cant wait to get it all set up!

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Its almost here!




i get off work in less then an hour and have the rest of the week off....guess what I am doing for the rest of the week?!biggrin.gif
Edited by 67jason - 1/23/13 at 5:12am
post #736 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Every doubling of wattage is a 3dB increase in sound output. 3dB of additional headroom can be very useful when the system is running hard and there is a lot of dynamic range to contend with in the source.  The thing is, the Onkyo is specced at 130 watts but that is almost certainly with one channel driven. The likely spec with 5 channels driven is probably about 80/90 watts. The Emo OTOH is specced at 200 watts with all channels driven, so in reality has twice or more the output of the Onk. This extra power gives you more 'headroom' so in situations where the Onk could be pushing close to its limits and starting to sound strained, the Emo will be cruising. If you usually listen at fairly low levels this may not matter much - if you like it loud it will matter more. If you want to achieve movie Reference level, it is crucial. 

You have a couple of options: get the XPA and power the Left, Centre and Right channels with it and use the Onk for the surrounds (a very good option). Or get an XPA-5 and use the Onk as a prepro. Also a very good option but it will cost you more. If cash is a main factor, go with Option 1. If it isn't, go with Option 2. 

If you go with the XPA 3, you won’t have a problem with the Onk powering the surrounds - they require less than the mains anyway.

thanks for the input, but I believe the onkyo is 130wpc @ 2ch driven, but I could be wrong and do understand it is less with 5 channels. I just don't want to purchase an xpa-3 and later feel that the surrounds can't keep up or notice a difference in sound quality between the front and rear and have to buy another amp when I could just wait a bit longer and just get the xpa-5.
post #737 of 1944
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

placebo or not, you bring me hope....I too upgraded from a denon 1611 to an onk 809 and my xpa 5 is due to be delivered today. biggrin.gif

I cant wait to get it all set up!

edit:

Its almost here!




i get off work in less then an hour and have the rest of the week off....guess what I am doing for the rest of the week?!biggrin.gif

enjoy! what speakers are you using? That is a huge jump up!! trust me. I use the PSB IOmage b^ mains and C5 cenetr..and it is truley amazing with this setup!! I have the utmost confidence you will be happy.

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thanks for the input, but I believe the onkyo is 130wpc @ 2ch driven, but I could be wrong and do understand it is less with 5 channels. I just don't want to purchase an xpa-3 and later feel that the surrounds can't keep up or notice a difference in sound quality between the front and rear and have to buy another amp when I could just wait a bit longer and just get the xpa-5.

if you feel comfortable buying used (what I did) you can get an xpa5 for less than a bnib xpa3....the warranties are transferable, so that should give you some peice of mind! there are always a ton of them on the emotiva lounge (forum) but act quickly they dont last long! I recommend getting the xpa5 so you never have that "i wonder" thought...its the worst
post #738 of 1944
^^^For now i am just running some polk monitor series speakers. 70's up front, 60's for wides, 40's for surrounds, cs2 center....not the best I know, but I like them. I got the amp because I have my eye on a few different speakers models for upgrading too...not !00% sure on what or when but in the next year or so. Emotiva was fantastic to deal with and they honored their recent sale price for my even though I didn't actually purchase until 2 days after the sale had ended.
post #739 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Tube amps can be made to sound almost as transparent as solid state amps. 

 

They can nowadays for sure - but was it always the case or was the warmer sound a limitation imposed by the design and components back in the day when tube amps were common?

 

 

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That warm "tube" sound is desired by most who buy tube amps so that is how they are designed. Its interesting (to me anyway) that solid state amps can be designed to have that "tube sound" too. I think Keith has such an amp in his music only system. I'm thinking of getting a tube headphone amp as I spend several hours each day listening with headphones. But as Keith says its better to have transparency as that will suit all material, not just some.

 

Yes my Class A (it always amuses me when I type that ;) ) does have a 'warm' sound - I would reject it these days but I have become used to it and it suits the music I listen to. If I ever replaced it though, I would choose something more transparent for the reason you give in your last sentence. I couldn't honestly recommend that anyone buys an amp as tone control (unless they know exactly why they want to do that). The warmer sound is beguiling though and very easy to listen to, there's no denying that, and many are seduced by it.

post #740 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

is it possible that the amp channels in an avr have more crosstalk where the separation isn't as good as with a separate amp (i thought i read that somewhere) if not then I suffer from the placebo effect since my separation is uncanny now i have the emo instead of my denon 1611 (which has been replaced by the onkyo809/xpa5 combo)
 

It's possible but it should never be a material (and certainly not audible) factor in today's equipment. Back in the day, separates had several significant advantages over integrated units, but these days, with better design and better components, the differences have been pretty much eliminated.

 

I have an Onkyo 5509 prepro and Emotiva XPA-3/UPA-2 amps but I seriously doubt if there would be any audible differences if I just used an Onkyo 5010 AVR. I have the Emo amps because when I bought them I had very difficult to drive 4 ohm 'audiophile' speakers and they were, on occasion, too much for my then Onkyo 5007 AVR. Having bought the amps, it made sense when I wanted to upgrade from Audyssey XT in the 5007 to XT32, I chose a prepro. (I also wanted a unit that was capable of being used with Audyssey Pro, which I now use). But HST, on reflection I may have been better off buying a Denon 4311 and using it as a prepro. The amps would be 'wasted' but they'd be a nice backup if one of my external amps ever went down. The 4311 was terrific value towards the end of its life. Mind you, I got my 5509 (by importing it from Germany) for cheaper than the 4311 was at the time, so that was a bargain really anyway.

 

The one thing I think nobody can challenge about separates is that they look ****ing cool :)

post #741 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Every doubling of wattage is a 3dB increase in sound output. 3dB of additional headroom can be very useful when the system is running hard and there is a lot of dynamic range to contend with in the source.  The thing is, the Onkyo is specced at 130 watts but that is almost certainly with one channel driven. The likely spec with 5 channels driven is probably about 80/90 watts. The Emo OTOH is specced at 200 watts with all channels driven, so in reality has twice or more the output of the Onk. This extra power gives you more 'headroom' so in situations where the Onk could be pushing close to its limits and starting to sound strained, the Emo will be cruising. If you usually listen at fairly low levels this may not matter much - if you like it loud it will matter more. If you want to achieve movie Reference level, it is crucial. 

You have a couple of options: get the XPA and power the Left, Centre and Right channels with it and use the Onk for the surrounds (a very good option). Or get an XPA-5 and use the Onk as a prepro. Also a very good option but it will cost you more. If cash is a main factor, go with Option 1. If it isn't, go with Option 2. 

If you go with the XPA 3, you won’t have a problem with the Onk powering the surrounds - they require less than the mains anyway.

thanks for the input, but I believe the onkyo is 130wpc @ 2ch driven, but I could be wrong and do understand it is less with 5 channels. I just don't want to purchase an xpa-3 and later feel that the surrounds can't keep up or notice a difference in sound quality between the front and rear and have to buy another amp when I could just wait a bit longer and just get the xpa-5.

 

You won't have any problems at all driving the surround channels with the Onkyo. (I am assuming you use fairly typical surround speakers and not refrigerator-sized 2 ohm specials ;) )

 

IMO it just comes down to how much you want to spend - there won't be any difference in SQ between your different options and the Onk is easily good enough for surround duties.

post #742 of 1944
People asked for photo of my room. Yet after I post I get no comments. Wow!
post #743 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

People asked for photo of my room. Yet after I post I get no comments. Wow!

i think you missed this...and i dont think YOU posted them wink.gif it was me...tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

Hey Bugs..

just my 2cents worth .. your room is not that big do you have neighbors you might wake or complain about the rackets? you live in a room? i think your money maybe better saved for a house
and improved living conditions.. not thats its my business.. i was an account executive stock and commodity broker for a dozen years and before that traded on the floor of the Toronto stock exchange for a few years talk about stress LOL and aneixty jesus no wonder im so crzy... ive made 6 figures in a day! thats like 10 to the power of 5.. what a feeling..
not to mention losing 10 to the power of 4 in a few heart beats just to balance out eh!!!!

something to think about..
post #744 of 1944
What sort of comments were you looking for? You asked about an amp, avr, said you quit, asked about avr again, speakers, asked somebody to post room pictures (which Brian did), etc. You originally said you're bored with what you have, don't know what to change, have no money... At this point I am not sure what you are seeking?
post #745 of 1944
I saw the post but it wasn't about my room.
People asked for photos. So I posted. They made comments about stuff and were like we can give better advice when we see the room etc. I posted yet no one has made any comments. So I'm like wow. Waste to post them.
post #746 of 1944
Thanks for all the input. I was actually fortunate to have the amps in my media room - same pre/processor, speakers, environment, etc.

I will let you know what I have decided.

If there are any other comments...please feel free to post.

e4.smile.gif
post #747 of 1944
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I saw the post but it wasn't about my room.
People asked for photos. So I posted. They made comments about stuff and were like we can give better advice when we see the room etc. I posted yet no one has made any comments. So I'm like wow. Waste to post them.

I honestly think you are getting no where with your posts. I took the time out of my day to post YOUR pictures and now you are just saying its a waste of YOUR time...

You are not willing to address anyone's recommendations. your room setup is the major factor for why you are not happy with sound. your speakers aren't even closely setup properly. you can buy 10,000$ speakers and if you keep your room the way it is they will sound like crap. address the issues people bring up (calibration, room treatments etc) and then they can help you. you are very closed minded. I can understand why others aren't willing to help you because each time they comment you say no (or that their recommendations dont apply to you) to their suggestions.

I am willing to help any way I can (hence posting YOUR pics) but you have to remain flexible with the suggestions given to you. just my .02 smile.gif

cheers
post #748 of 1944
Brian. No one has said anything about my room except you. My speakers are placed properly except the center. No one has talked about room treatments such as products etc. no one has given any input on stuff after the photos. I never said waste of my time. I said waste to post. I'm not closed minded to the point of not doing anything.

No neighbor issues. Don't live in my room. I have a very nice home. Can take pictures if wanted .)

Ok. Specifics.
1: audysse is fine. Can do that with my Integra dtr 40.3.
2: what room treatments
3: better speaker placement? Where? Except the center cus I already know this.

Not sure what else. ???

And thanks again Brian for posting the images. I do appreciate it and you.
post #749 of 1944
No problem, I just get a little frustrated from time to time wink.gif

over at the Emo-lounge there are tons of recommendations...not sure how many you have tried.

but looking at your pics (which are very grainy and hard to see) your bookshelf speakers are too close to the wall, are not toed in, and you need to run audyssey.

After audyssey you need to recheck with an spl meter to make sure everything is as close to even as possible. I think you could also fix the center channel problem with a shelf above your tv. this could do wonders for you...but shouldnt matter if you are listening to 2 channel audio

I highly suggest you write down what you don't like about your system and try to systematically fix each one. The amplifier will not help if everything is not setup properly...and amplifier will just do that ...amplify. if it already sounds bad to you it will just sound bad louder haha.

this hobby is all about tweaking and finding what is right to YOU. don't get frustrated...just keep trial and error. that's the fun part imho. then once you get there viola!! you did it!



cheers
post #750 of 1944
Thanks.
My front left and right, where should they go?
They also are toed in just I guess hard to see in the crummy photos.
I want to get a shelf above the tv but don't have anything yet. It will happen though.

The tweaking and stuff to me is not fun. I only say this because I have little patience and I get frustrated easy when something doesn't go right or as expected.
I'll try audysse today.

Write down what I don't like about the sound. Hmm. I've already mentioned but I guess I should make a list then post it. I'll try that. I'll try to make sense. smile.gif sometimes I don't smile.gif

Thanks to all. Now we're getting somewhere smile.gif
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