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post #781 of 1944
Yes. I want to try to mess with my room but I have no idea how?? I'm all ears .)))
post #782 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Shek5150 View Post

Dphinsx2,

My apologies if I'm stepping on someones exchange . . . new to this forum. But I wanted to respond to Dsphinsx2's post above & I wasn't sure how to do it; so, my apologies & please educate me if there's a better way to do this . . .

I have this AV Center:

http://www.amazon.com/Techcraft-NTR60-60-Inch-Bernini-Panel/dp/B002ISZEEE/ref=cm_rdp_product


The shelves are black tempered glass & rated at 175 (top shelf); middle & bottom are at 60-lbs respectively (kind of silly, IMO, w/ the weight of these AV components). Anyway, I really liked the look of this AV Ctr & the fact that the top shelf supported my center speaker . . . well, here's what I did to remedy the short comings of the weight limits of the bottom shelf:

From Home Depot, I bought 2-sheets of ply-wood measuring 16" x 56" by 5/8" and placed them on the floor under the bottom-shelf . . . now the tempered glass shelf is actually resting atop the wood base (-vs- the rubber bumper-tips of the AV stand frame) . . . because the tempered glass is black in color, you cannot see the wood through the glass. Side Note: I'd recommend putting a sheet of plastic between the wood & your floor. In my case it's carpet, but the plastic serves two functions (1) protects the carpet from anything that may bleed off the wood & (2) if you have to slide your AV-center for any reason, e.g., messing w/ wires, the plastic permits the wood to slide much easier . . . now, my 60-lbs rated bottom shelf is supporting 135-lbs of gear (XPA-5, Denon 4311ci, & APC J25B).

p.s., I'll try to attach a pic (but not sure if I'll be successful).

In any case hope this was helpful.

Shek5150
AV Center.jpeg 88k .jpeg file
Thanks Shek5150. I ended up doing the same with my bottom shelf. Here is a pic of my setup.
post #783 of 1944
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Originally Posted by runnin' View Post

Those are some nice speakers and they would definitely benefit from running an amp. You have what I like to call realistic volume levels, many people do not want or need reference movie theater levels(peaks of 105db or so). Speaking of which, the amp would be able to give more impact and slam for movie crashes, etc, and this is where an amp can shine. You didn't mention whether the XPA-5 is on a short list or your only pick thus far. One possible downside could be the metal dome tweeters you have as they can be brighter with some amps. I had a XPA-3 and sold it because of this, but I was listening critically to music with it. If it's your first amp you might not even notice it as your volume levels are pretty safe.

I have been researching amps before I even bought my 818 finding anything worthwhile was out of my price range then I came across the Emotiva thanks to you guys which is something the wife and I can swallow and It is on my short list and yes it would be my 1st amp. I noticed a little brightness when I went nuts with the volume 95 (nobody was home eek.gif) while going through my CD's in my Sony 300 disk changer. I'm also considering moving my S38's from the front position to the front wide position replacing the e20's and buying a pair of JBL L890's for the front. I'm still fiddling with all of the settings on the 818 input by input what a bear this is with all of the possible ways to set it up. I must say I love the how clean the 818 sounds, it far and away worlds better than my old 898.
post #784 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

I was thinking of these brands.
Legacy Audio
PSB
Paradigm
McIntosh
SVS new ultra floor standing
Integra DTR 50.4 for Audysse XT32
Not sure what other speaker brands.
Thanks Brian and everyone.

Hey buggs, aren't you planning on tackling acoustic treatments at your room first?

I was planning on buying modified crossovers for my fronts and center speakers, but I put that project on hold until I have my room acoustically treated. I have a lot of reflections (walls, floor, table, ceiling, etc.). So, I will not spend more money until I fix that issue first.

I guess, you might be facing the same problem and no matter what gear you bring to your room, if you don't resolve those issues that are inherent to your "room", you will never be satisfied no matter what gear you try.

My two cents!

room treatments are a great idea CR13...

here's a pic of my 1st one in use... if you set up treatments re run the audyssey... even running audyssey it could not stop all the bass resonance with the speaker in this corner position due to room
limitation... will be building a nice theater listening room during the yr 12.5 by 20.... lots more front room for me.. but in the mean time this 6 inch thick afb bass absorber is working great

cheers



seems like extra bass with the new high end audio cables as well

post #785 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Yes. I want to try to mess with my room but I have no idea how?? I'm all ears .)))

just a few simple tools to make some diy bass traps and diffusors

start reading..

this great link

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/610173-acoustics-treatment-reference-guide-look-here.html

cheers
post #786 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Yes. I want to try to mess with my room but I have no idea how?? I'm all ears .)))

Well, delta just beat me on that.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

just a few simple tools to make some diy bass traps and diffusors

start reading..

this great link

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/610173-acoustics-treatment-reference-guide-look-here.html

cheers

Thanks delta!

BTW - those speaker wires look pretty cool. Congrats again!
post #787 of 1944
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Yes. I want to try to mess with my room but I have no idea how?? I'm all ears .)))

Well, delta just beat me on that.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

just a few simple tools to make some diy bass traps and diffusors

start reading..

this great link

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/studio-building-acoustics/610173-acoustics-treatment-reference-guide-look-here.html

cheers

Thanks delta!

BTW - those speaker wires look pretty cool. Congrats again!

Thanks alot CR 13

now i just need an amp to run some real power though them eh...

it will have to waite a bit... going to build my new room 1st

cheers..
post #788 of 1944
Thanks.
I'm not sure about spending money on room panels etc. I don't have much room nor money right now but I'll consider it. I've also been told it isn't a big deal in my room.

Right now I've decided to save for a new Integra dtr 50.4 to get audysse xt32. I'll build from there.
post #789 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Thanks.
I'm not sure about spending money on room panels etc. I don't have much room nor money right now but I'll consider it. I've also been told it isn't a big deal in my room.

Right now I've decided to save for a new Integra dtr 50.4 to get audysse xt32. I'll build from there.

 

You have your priorities reversed. Money spent on room treatments will make far, far more audible difference to your SQ than money spent on any AVR or amp. 

 

If it is correct that it "isn’t a big deal in your room", what is special about your room that it doesn’t have modes and reflections? (Well, all rooms have modes, so just deal with the reflections).

 

If you want the biggest improvement in SQ that you can get, then you first address the room and the speakers.

 

If you say you can’t accommodate room treatments for WAF or aesthetic reasons, that is fair enough - but it doesn't make sense to dismiss room treatments on the grounds of money, and then spending more money still on amps and/or AVRs.

post #790 of 1944
agreed as well as he just returned an xpa-5 and a marantz 7007. so he has money to make the changes,....he is just not willing to apparently. but you can only steer a horse to water...you cant make him drink it
post #791 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

agreed as well as he just returned an xpa-5 and a marantz 7007. so he has money to make the changes,....he is just not willing to apparently. but you can only steer a horse to water...you cant make him drink it

 

Very true, Brian. I am old enough to know this but evidently not wise enough to observe it. LOL. I keep on trying though, but the horse never changes its mind :)

 

I suspect that for many people, owning AV gear is more or less an end in itself - the number of photos of 'gear displays' on AVS seems to reinforce that view. There are numerous posts showing off nice racks of equipment, followed by more numerous posts saying "great system", without much regard for how it all might sound. This is fair enough of course - people are all free to pursue any interests they wish without curmudgeonly remarks from the likes of me, who is far more interested in the sound produced than the appearance of the equipment which produces it. It helps that all my equipment is in a separate closet and that my room is a dedicated HT room, which means my speakers can be (and are) pig ugly, as I rarely see them with the lights on, but boy do they perform. I am reminded of an old adage in regard to the fairer sex, but this is not the place to elaborate on that... ;)

 

Similarly, room treatments are as dull as ditchwater. They have no (blue) flashing lights, no 'wow factor', no menus to play with, not even a mains plug to connect to the wall! And I suspect that this is, sometimes, why they are ignored, despite the massive sonic benefits they can bring to the party. They just are not, in the least, in the slightest, sexy

 

None of this is directed at Buggs... he has been remarkably open and honest in already telling us that he is simply bored with what he has and wants a change. We should perhaps encourage that view, as the more there are who hold it, the more your great economy will be raised from its current slumber and continue once more to be the powerhouse of the world. :)

post #792 of 1944
i agree totally. My case in point I cannot do any additional room treatments as the WAF would not work...hell she has let me turn my Living room into a viable HT as it is. but I know that in Buggs case he CAN get a benefit from new speakers. That is the first line of getting a new sound....NOT getting a new receiever.

I highly suggest Buggs looks at a local dealer that could let him try the speakers in house. or he could try the Aperion grands (they offer free shipping both ways so no risk)

After he does that then down the road he can go back to the idea of a new pre/pro and amotiva amp. smile.gif
post #793 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

i agree totally. My case in point I cannot do any additional room treatments as the WAF would not work...hell she has let me turn my Living room into a viable HT as it is. but I know that in Buggs case he CAN get a benefit from new speakers. That is the first line of getting a new sound....NOT getting a new receiever.

I highly suggest Buggs looks at a local dealer that could let him try the speakers in house. or he could try the Aperion grands (they offer free shipping both ways so no risk)

After he does that then down the road he can go back to the idea of a new pre/pro and amotiva amp. smile.gif

We are in complete concurrence, Brian. Which is unusual on AVS :)  Absent room treatments for the very good reason of WAF, then the next line of defence against room issues is good electronic EQ such as Audyssey MultEQ XT32, which I cannot praise highly enough. My own room is extensively treated, but I would never be without the 'icing on the cake' that is XT32.

 

Your suggestion of a local dealer (or the Aperions) is a great one. Riskless evaluation of options!

post #794 of 1944
Thanks guys. I didn't mean to sound like I won't do treatments.
Lets try this. Looking at my room. Lets make it into a dedicated ht room that happens to have my bed and that shelf next to it and computer desk by the closet in it. Where should I put stuff?

Lets start here. I'll get serious now. And the money. Everything I buy is on 6 month or longer financing so I don't have the money now. That's how im able to get stuff. When I have enough credit available at definitive audio or best buy/magnolia I get something then pay it off.

I did ask magnolia if I could demo the Martin Logan electro motion ESL in home over night. The $2199 pair ones. They said no. So I don't think I'll find anyone here willing to do in home demo.

I never heard of aperion.

I don't think getting receiver with xt32 now is bad. I wouldn't be doing that to improve my sound like before. What I mean is I know my sound won't change from the amp. But the new features such as xt32 will help and be very usefull. I can get that on credit 6 months same as cash no interest if paid in full in 6 months.
post #795 of 1944
Financing audio gear doesn't sound like a good idea.... After all, HT is just a hobby for 99.8% of us. I don't mean using free financing is a bad thing, I am only saying that if you "don't have money right now" financing probably isn't the right move. Just save up and buy what you want, much more gratifying experience.
Just my 2 cents.
post #796 of 1944
Hi All - I just picked up an XPA-5 to run that along with my current DENON 3808ci 7 channel amp. Currently I have all 7 channels connected with definitive speakers.

What is the best way to run the XPA-5. Which 2 rear channels is more important? Do i just run 5 speaker wires from DENON and plug that into XPA-5, and leave the other 2 channels alone plugged into DENON? I assume after I do all that, I need to re-run my Audysssey?

Thanks for reading and all the help on this. Fairly new to speakers and amps.
post #797 of 1944
I would run RCA cables from the denon preouts to the Emo xpa5 for the LCR and rear R/L. then you run speaker wire from the XPA-5 (binfding posts) to the respective speakers.

then have the Side surrounds L/R connected with speaker wire from the denon to the respective speakers.
post #798 of 1944
Just to clarify, here's an image of how I have it setup.

So SBL and SBR Speakers will be connected from DENON Preouts to XPA5, and leave SL and SR speakers connected from the denon to the respective speakers?

Aren't the SL AND SR speakers being more commonly used when watching movies?
post #799 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kevinnho View Post

Just to clarify, here's an image of how I have it setup.

So SBL and SBR Speakers will be connected from DENON Preouts to XPA5, and leave SL and SR speakers connected from the denon to the respective speakers?

Aren't the SL AND SR speakers being more commonly used when watching movies?

yes I typed it backwards...sorry for the confusion...

Side L/R should be powered by the emo...and the back r/l by the denon
post #800 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Thanks guys. I didn't mean to sound like I won't do treatments.
Lets try this. Looking at my room. Lets make it into a dedicated ht room that happens to have my bed and that shelf next to it and computer desk by the closet in it. Where should I put stuff?
 

 

Take a look here:

 

http://www.realtraps.com/

 

or here:

 

http://www.gikacoustics.com/

 

Both sites have tons of information about how to use room treatments. If you have basic DIY skills it is also very easy to use the info on those sites as a guide to making your own treatments, saving huge amounts of money in the process. There are also threads on AVS dedicated to DIY bass traps and room treatments.

post #801 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kevinnho View Post

Hi All - I just picked up an XPA-5 to run that along with my current DENON 3808ci 7 channel amp. Currently I have all 7 channels connected with definitive speakers.

What is the best way to run the XPA-5. Which 2 rear channels is more important? Do i just run 5 speaker wires from DENON and plug that into XPA-5, and leave the other 2 channels alone plugged into DENON? I assume after I do all that, I need to re-run my Audysssey?

Thanks for reading and all the help on this. Fairly new to speakers and amps.

 

You need to run interconnects between the pre-out terminals of the Denon and the input terminals of the amp. You can’t connect the speaker outlets of the Denon to the amp - the amp is looking for a low level signal. Use RCA to RCA interconnects from Monoprice. Then you connect the speakers to the XPA-5.  The other surround channels can be left connected to the Denon. You are advised to run Audyssey again after making these changes.

post #802 of 1944
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Originally Posted by kevinnho View Post

Just to clarify, here's an image of how I have it setup.

So SBL and SBR Speakers will be connected from DENON Preouts to XPA5, and leave SL and SR speakers connected from the denon to the respective speakers?

Aren't the SL AND SR speakers being more commonly used when watching movies?

 

It won't really make much difference. I’d connect the surround backs to the Denon and the surrounds to the XPA-5.

post #803 of 1944
I have a UPA-5 Emotiva poweramp for about a year now. I had a Harmon power amp but after I acquired my Martin Logan's
the Harmon would go into safety....and turn off. I connected my Dynaudio and the Harmon was just fine so I knew I needed to
get a power amp that would safely and accurately drive the Martin Logan ESL.
I found the Emotiva to do it just find and I am very happy with my purchase
I would recommend them highly.
post #804 of 1944
Thanks.
I have no skills at all haha.
post #805 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

Thanks.
I have no skills at all haha.

 

:)  Well, in that case, you’d have to buy ready-made treatments. Realtraps are good but IMO very expensive. GIK are also good, although not as nice to look at, but less expensive. The treatments will likely cost a lot less than a new prepro and amp and will likely give you much better return on your cash in terms of SQ improvement.  FWIW, I chose GIK and am very happy with their products and their service. 

post #806 of 1944
KB do you have a gallery of your HT?
post #807 of 1944
What about where to put stuff in my room to make it more into a ht room? Speaker placement, tv, rack etc?
post #808 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

KB do you have a gallery of your HT?

 

I have one photo somewhere... I will try to dig it out for you if you are interested in seeing it. It is a very small room, especially by US standards, but it is interesting to see what can be achieved in such a small room - less than 1000 cu ft!

post #809 of 1944
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Originally Posted by buggs1a View Post

What about where to put stuff in my room to make it more into a ht room? Speaker placement, tv, rack etc?

 

Did you post pics of your room already?  Forgive me for forgetting. If you did I will go back and look at them.

post #810 of 1944
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

KB do you have a gallery of your HT?

I have often wondered that as well in reading all of these threads smile.gif

FWIW I own two XPA-5's and I love them. I have also taken one of them to a friends house before and post demo he promptly purchased his own.

Bill
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