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lol..your comment took me by surprise for a moment....I thought you were calling me a female...then i realized you were referring to my co-worker.

Sorry I wasn't more specific.
post #842 of 1293
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lol..your comment took me by surprise for a moment....I thought you were calling me a female...then i realized you were referring to my co-worker.

Sorry I wasn't more specific.

no worries....I just didnt read your commnet correctly the first time....half distracted by the work I am supposed to be doing and cruising avs at the same time.tongue.gif
post #843 of 1293
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Just curious why do speakers have 4 binding post then? Just for biwiring?

Marketing. It makes them look 'audiophile' and costs next to nothing to add them. They serve no real purpose. Biwiring is even more pointless than 'passive biamping'. Well maybe not - at least you don't get to waste a whole amp - just the wire wink.gif

i do not think bi wiring has no purpose especially if you have higher gauge wire.. by bi wiring you would be lowering the resitance of the wire... tongue.gif

cheers

 

No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.

post #844 of 1293
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No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.

Speakers have four binding posts because some of those who consider themselves audiophiles think that biwiring/passive biamping will make a difference. Its a sales gimick.
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Just curious why do speakers have 4 binding post then? Just for biwiring?


Marketing. It makes them look 'audiophile' and costs next to nothing to add them. They serve no real purpose. Biwiring is even more pointless than 'passive biamping'. Well maybe not - at least you don't get to waste a whole amp - just the wire wink.gif


i do not think bi wiring has no purpose especially if you have higher gauge wire.. by bi wiring you would be lowering the resitance of the wire... tongue.gif


cheers

No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.

can you make 18 awg into 12 awg?
post #846 of 1293
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No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.

Speakers have four binding posts because some of those who consider themselves audiophiles think that biwiring/passive biamping will make a difference. Its a sales gimick.

better sound i swear ...

denon say it will stop the electromotive force from effecting the tweeter!

maybe you can explain electromotive force from the woofers effecting the tweeter...?

electromotive force sounds so cool..

does denon have an R and D department or just marketing..? i dont even see adds for denon...

cheers
post #847 of 1293
when will the nexts sale for emotiva amps be?

thanks
post #848 of 1293
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when will the nexts sale for emotiva amps be?

thanks

July 4th/Independence Day sale?
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when will the nexts sale for emotiva amps be?

thanks

July 4th/Independence Day sale?

thanks..

do you have any pictures to share of your diy speakers?

cheers..
post #850 of 1293
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when will the nexts sale for emotiva amps be?

thanks

Not sure about that, but you can touch base with Emotiva directly and ask for reconditioned amps. They usually have them available at a discounted price, free shipping to your door and full 5 year warranty.

If you want to save few more Dollars, then second hand units are always available at multiple forums. Only thing to consider is to buy from someone with positive references/feedback that you can check (ebay, Audiogon, etc.) and also, make sure the unit is still under warranty and the person has that unit registered at Emotiva under his/her name. Hence ready to transfer the warranty over you.

Emotiva tracks warranties by the name of the original buyer or subsequent buyers. Important - Serial Number doesn't work for them. So, be careful about it.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by Lebreeze View Post

Just curious why do speakers have 4 binding post then? Just for biwiring?


Marketing. It makes them look 'audiophile' and costs next to nothing to add them. They serve no real purpose. Biwiring is even more pointless than 'passive biamping'. Well maybe not - at least you don't get to waste a whole amp - just the wire wink.gif


i do not think bi wiring has no purpose especially if you have higher gauge wire.. by bi wiring you would be lowering the resitance of the wire... tongue.gif


cheers

No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.

can you make 18 awg into 12 awg?

 

I don't understand the purpose of the question, sorry...

 

If you mean if someone is using 18 AWG and they then biwire, will that have a benefit?  Yes it might. I did say that if the original wiring is totally inadequate then using twin wires coud make a difference. But you don;t need to biwire for that - just replace the inadequate wire with 12 AWG.

 

Did you google superposition theorem?

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No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.

Speakers have four binding posts because some of those who consider themselves audiophiles think that biwiring/passive biamping will make a difference. Its a sales gimick.

better sound i swear ...

denon say it will stop the electromotive force from effecting the tweeter!

maybe you can explain electromotive force from the woofers effecting the tweeter...?

electromotive force sounds so cool..

does denon have an R and D department or just marketing..? i dont even see adds for denon...

cheers

 

The electromotive force argument is spurious.  The argument is that biwiring eliminates the backwave EMF. But the reality is that the cables are wired in parallel to one amplifier, so they just electrically combine at the amp. Denon can't change the laws of Physics, not in their R&D department and definitely not in their Marketing department! ;)

post #853 of 1293
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The electromotive force argument is spurious.  The argument is that biwiring eliminates the backwave EMF. But the reality is that the cables are wired in parallel to one amplifier, so they just electrically combine at the amp. Denon can't change the laws of Physics, not in their R&D department and definitely not in their Marketing department! wink.gif

All that is good, but you missed one point...............There are no laws at the Marketing Department...........tongue.gif

Sorry, I just can't resist on that one!
post #854 of 1293
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No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.


Speakers have four binding posts because some of those who consider themselves audiophiles think that biwiring/passive biamping will make a difference. Its a sales gimick.


better sound i swear ...


denon say it will stop the electromotive force from effecting the tweeter!


maybe you can explain electromotive force from the woofers effecting the tweeter...?


electromotive force sounds so cool..


does denon have an R and D department or just marketing..? i dont even see adds for denon...


cheers

The electromotive force argument is spurious.  The argument is that biwiring eliminates the backwave EMF. But the reality is that the cables are wired in parallel to one amplifier, so they just electrically combine at the amp. Denon can't change the laws of Physics, not in their R&D department and definitely not in their Marketing department! wink.gif

argument who me.. i was just asking a question.. .. argu with Denon. they wrote it electromotive force from the woofers effects the tweeters..

cheers..
post #855 of 1293
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when will the nexts sale for emotiva amps be?

thanks

Not sure about that, but you can touch base with Emotiva directly and ask for reconditioned amps. They usually have them available at a discounted price, free shipping to your door and full 5 year warranty.

If you want to save few more Dollars, then second hand units are always available at multiple forums. Only thing to consider is to buy from someone with positive references/feedback that you can check (ebay, Audiogon, etc.) and also, make sure the unit is still under warranty and the person has that unit registered at Emotiva under his/her name. Hence ready to transfer the warranty over you.

Emotiva tracks warranties by the name of the original buyer or subsequent buyers. Important - Serial Number doesn't work for them. So, be careful about it.

Good luck!

always have trouble buying used.. i like the bling of brand new eh..

wish they did deliever free to my door in Canada.. im not that far eh.. i should plan a road trip in the summer go for an amp and subs from the usa.. the shipping charges i save would pay for the gas..

cheers..
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No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.


Speakers have four binding posts because some of those who consider themselves audiophiles think that biwiring/passive biamping will make a difference. Its a sales gimick.


better sound i swear ...


denon say it will stop the electromotive force from effecting the tweeter!


maybe you can explain electromotive force from the woofers effecting the tweeter...?


electromotive force sounds so cool..


does denon have an R and D department or just marketing..? i dont even see adds for denon...


cheers

The electromotive force argument is spurious.  The argument is that biwiring eliminates the backwave EMF. But the reality is that the cables are wired in parallel to one amplifier, so they just electrically combine at the amp. Denon can't change the laws of Physics, not in their R&D department and definitely not in their Marketing department! wink.gif

Hey K Barnes.. just thought i would you let you know ... i took off the bi amp feature from my denon and disconected the extra cables...

had a listen to the same music.. well i cant tell a difference really.. but i can hear my center channel better now..

i swear i thought it was better but in reverse i cant really tell...

cheers
post #857 of 1293
what happens with your rear speakers if.. you get an xpa 5 200 wpc...

up front i have 250 w mains and 200 w centre.. but in back im only using 125 watts speakers would they be over driven for movies?

cheers
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

No, you won't. Biwiring could only make a difference if the original single wiring was ridiculously thin for the job. Assuming any decent speaker wire (say 12 AWG or better) then biwiring is pointless. The reason is physics again - google 'superposition theorem' and it will explain why I am right and you aren't on this occasion.


Speakers have four binding posts because some of those who consider themselves audiophiles think that biwiring/passive biamping will make a difference. Its a sales gimick.


better sound i swear ...


denon say it will stop the electromotive force from effecting the tweeter!


maybe you can explain electromotive force from the woofers effecting the tweeter...?


electromotive force sounds so cool..


does denon have an R and D department or just marketing..? i dont even see adds for denon...


cheers

The electromotive force argument is spurious.  The argument is that biwiring eliminates the backwave EMF. But the reality is that the cables are wired in parallel to one amplifier, so they just electrically combine at the amp. Denon can't change the laws of Physics, not in their R&D department and definitely not in their Marketing department! wink.gif

Hey K Barnes.. just thought i would you let you know ... i took off the bi amp feature from my denon and disconected the extra cables...

had a listen to the same music.. well i cant tell a difference really.. but i can hear my center channel better now..

i swear i thought it was better but in reverse i cant really tell...

cheers

 

Well done, dude!  This is the first step to understanding the things that make a difference to SQ (room and speakers), the things that make very little, if any, difference (amps and electronics) and the things that make no difference whatsoever (magic cables, biwiring etc).

post #859 of 1293
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what happens with your rear speakers if.. you get an xpa 5 200 wpc...

up front i have 250 w mains and 200 w centre.. but in back im only using 125 watts speakers would they be over driven for movies?

cheers

 

No - you will be fine. More power is better for your speakers than too little power. In a balanced and calibrated system, all the channels will be level-matched anyway.

post #860 of 1293
Generally very true. If overdriven one can run into thermal overload or exceeding the excursion of the drivers. These problems arise mostly with highly compressed music at high volumes as is much contemporary music or with heavy bass with a driver with limited excursion.
post #861 of 1293
I forgot to mention clipping, the most common destroyer of tweeters. This is probably more common than other speaker damage and is because of insufficient amplifier power as you point out.
post #862 of 1293
Onkyo TX 706 with XPA-5 ?

I'm thinking of making a jump to a dedicated HT amp, and wondering what sonic benefit i might experience
from hooking up a XPA-5 to this Onkyo?

any thoughts?

thanks

Would it be subtle, or night and day?
post #863 of 1293
More info needed. Speakers? Music vs movies. Seating distance? Typical listening volume? Room size?
post #864 of 1293
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what happens with your rear speakers if.. you get an xpa 5 200 wpc...


up front i have 250 w mains and 200 w centre.. but in back im only using 125 watts speakers would they be over driven for movies?


cheers

No - you will be fine. More power is better for your speakers than too little power. In a balanced and calibrated system, all the channels will be level-matched anyway.

How much more power is reasonable ... over the speaker rating... in your opinion?

so we can add amps after all? if a bit more volume is disired...

i just order up a whole bunch of dry wall today.. for my room ht listening room..

rough size is 20 x 12.5 x 7 one door and 1 small window only..

cheers..
post #865 of 1293
Currently:
Onkyo TX 706 AVR
PS3
HSU 15 Hybrid speaker package (w VTF-15 subwoofer)

Movies/Music 50/50

Room 25x18x10 (lwh)

thanks
post #866 of 1293
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Currently:
Onkyo TX 706 AVR
PS3
HSU 15 Hybrid speaker package (w VTF-15 subwoofer)

Movies/Music 50/50

Room 25x18x10 (lwh)

thanks

more power more clean volume before clipping.. great room size you have...

what are your speakers rms ratings..

could use another sub with that size room..

cheers..
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Currently:
Onkyo TX 706 AVR
PS3
HSU 15 Hybrid speaker package (w VTF-15 subwoofer)

Movies/Music 50/50

Room 25x18x10 (lwh)

thanks

I would exercise a little bit of caution here. In a thread on the Emotiva forum, several members are reporting sibilance with the XPA-5 when playing some music.
Just a thought, but you might want to read and decide if you would be at risk for this.
post #868 of 1293
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I would exercise a little bit of caution here. In a thread on the Emotiva forum, several members are reporting sibilance with the XPA-5 when playing some music.
Just a thought, but you might want to read and decide if you would be at risk for this.

Sibilance can usually be eliminated.
1. Get better speakers. I believe that Paradigms were reported to be sibilant with Emo by one poster. See #3.
2. Get a processor/pre pro or AVR that does not promote sibilance.
3. Get a Parasound amp. They have been reported to to eliminate sibilance. If they in fact do this they are defective or of poor design.
post #869 of 1293
So are you suggesting buying an XPA-5 and then replacing one's speakers? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Usually one decides if a given amp would be a good fit for their existing system. And the thread indicates that several brands of speakers are involved. Any other suggestions?

Edit: on post 17 on page one, an owner says that even though he changed his speakers, he still has sibilance, though it's more subtle now.
Edited by runnin' - 2/3/13 at 5:25pm
post #870 of 1293
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So are you suggesting buying an XPA-5 and then replacing one's speakers? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Usually one decides if a given amp would be a good fit for their existing system. And the thread indicates that several brands of speakers are involved. Any other suggestions?

Edit: on post 17 on page one, an owner says that even though he changed his speakers, he still has sibilance, though it's more subtle now.

Speakers and room acoustics and processors have the biggest impact on SQ IMO. Unless one feels that he has to have his amp as a center piece of conversation as opposed to SQ he gives little thought to the brand. Of course the kool aid is free flowing for trolls on the Emotiva forum.
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