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post #931 of 1359
2/8/13 at 2:38pm
I have the emo composite x series. Got them during the sale. 12$ ea for 7 ft runs. They are very nice. No hum and nice tight connection
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post #932 of 1359
2/8/13 at 7:47pm
Would I benefit from the XPA-5 with my future setup?

Current:
Marantz SR7007
Oppo 103
Polk Satellites
Klipsch RW-12d Sub

Future:
Definitive Tech BP8060ST towers
BP8080CS Center
BP8080SR Surrounds
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post #933 of 1359
2/9/13 at 2:17am
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OK, let me try and convey what I obviously am having trouble trying to convey. I used some wrong lingo when trying to ask what I was asking. Recently I decided to go to separates and try and upgrade my system. Along the way in my research I ran across a thread (i cant recall where) that made mention of current when considering a power amp. During my visit at a local Hi_fi place, the salesman made the same comment. The amp I was considering, although higher wpc, did not deliver those wpc at the same current as the another wpc amp did. Like the thread I had read, he made the same analogy to describe what he was talking about. He said a 140wpc amp running at a low current would be like 140 watts coming through a garden hose while another amp running at 140wpc through a firehose. The higher current amp is going to sound cleaner, louder and just plain better. From what Ive read and experienced in my research, most manufacturers dont post current in their specs. I have seen some that do though. For research's sake, Im trying to find out that particular spec on the Emotiva XPA5 before buying it. Im pretty sold on it, but would like to know just for S&G.

to me the fire hose garden hose would be good comparision for speaker wire...

12 awg vs 18 awg.. you want the 12 gauge stuff lets those watts amp s.. flow to the speakers EZZZ eh..

cheers

 

If the tap (fawcett) only delivers 1 gallon per minute, and you get one gallon per minute through the garden hose, swapping it for a fire hose will still only deliver one gallon per minute. IOW, once you have 'enough' hose diameter, enlarging it further makes no difference.

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post #934 of 1359
2/9/13 at 2:25am
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Looking to use Onkyo TX 706 Pre/Pro with XPA-5 perhaps...


Would there be a great deal of Sound Quality difference, or just subtle?

Movies/Music 50/50

Speakers:
HSU Hybrid 15 (with VTF-15 sub)


The quality build/reliability of Emotiva seems to get a lot of forum replies....any thoughts..?
thanks

 

Whether you would hear a difference in SQ between the two depends on various things, not least of which is whether the 706 can drive your speakers to the levels you require without clipping. If it can then you'd likely hear no difference in SQ.

 

WRT to build and reliability, I have had 4 Emo amps for a few years now and they have been entirely trouble-free and their build quality is as good as any other amps I have owned (some a lot more expensive). They are used for 2 to 4 hours every day of the week, every week of the year.

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post #935 of 1359
2/9/13 at 2:36am
The only problem I've had with my Emo amps during several years of use is an RCA jack on the UPA-5 came loose. It is common these days to have RCA jacks attached directly to the circuit board and this is a weak point. Sometimes a RCA cable is just overly tight and the jack comes loose.
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post #936 of 1359
2/9/13 at 3:58am
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The only problem I've had with my Emo amps during several years of use is an RCA jack on the UPA-5 came loose. It is common these days to have RCA jacks attached directly to the circuit board and this is a weak point. Sometimes a RCA cable is just overly tight and the jack comes loose.

Hw do you fix that? Did you send it in for repair?
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post #937 of 1359
2/9/13 at 4:01am
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Hw do you fix that? Did you send it in for repair?

No, I had another amp (a UPA-2) lying around unused so I substituted one channel of it for the broken one on the UPA-5. I should fix it, it is supposedly an easy soldering job but my lack of coordination keeps me from trying.
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post #938 of 1359
2/9/13 at 4:33am
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The only problem I've had with my Emo amps during several years of use is an RCA jack on the UPA-5 came loose. It is common these days to have RCA jacks attached directly to the circuit board and this is a weak point. Sometimes a RCA cable is just overly tight and the jack comes loose.

 

Yes, this is a weak point of a lot of equipment these days. Some RCA cables are worse than others and they grip like their life depended on it. I have on several occasions (not with the Emo amps - in general) had to grip the plug with pliers and then twist gently back and forward to ease the cable loose. On one unit (I can't recall which - might be one of my BD players) I have attached short jumper cables to the unit - they are a permanent feature of the unit now and any regular RCA cable is just hooked into the 6 inch jumper. That could be a good solution for the Emo amps too.

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post #939 of 1359
2/9/13 at 4:36am
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Yes, this is a weak point of a lot of equipment these days. Some RCA cables are worse than others and they grip like their life depended on it. I have on several occasions (not with the Emo amps - in general) had to grip the plug with pliers and then twist gently back and forward to ease the cable loose. On one unit (I can't recall which - might be one of my BD players) I have attached short jumper cables to the unit - they are a permanent feature of the unit now and any regular RCA cable is just hooked into the 6 inch jumper. That could be a good solution for the Emo amps too.

Might be a good move. There is very little precision in how tight an RCA cable will be. Some are loose and others get a death grip on the jack. I have some cables of both types.
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post #940 of 1359
2/9/13 at 9:29am
I rerouted my RCA cables away from the power cables and the hum is gone. I guess you get what you pay for? Weird how so many people brag up $4 cables from monoprice?
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post #941 of 1359
2/9/13 at 10:17am
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No, I had another amp (a UPA-2) lying around unused so I substituted one channel of it for the broken one on the UPA-5. I should fix it, it is supposedly an easy soldering job but my lack of coordination keeps me from trying.

This is something that Emotiva could easily remedy but refuses to, instead letting customers deal with broken RCA jacks, and this is not the first time I've read of customers breaking them accidentally. All they have to do is use tiffany style connectors on their UPA amps and charge another 20 or 50 bucks. But on their new UPA amps they still use the cheaper variety.
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post #942 of 1359
2/9/13 at 10:26am
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I rerouted my RCA cables away from the power cables and the hum is gone. I guess you get what you pay for? Weird how so many people brag up $4 cables from monoprice?

Are you saying they are monoprice cables and because of their price they are deficient in some way?
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post #943 of 1359
2/9/13 at 10:59am
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I rerouted my RCA cables away from the power cables and the hum is gone. I guess you get what you pay for? Weird how so many people brag up $4 cables from monoprice?
RCA interconnects when ran near power cables have a high likelihood of producing audible hum regardless of brand or price tag.

For what its worth, I'm running monoprice RCA's to my xpa-5 and the closest they come to any power cables is around 6 inches and have no audible hum.
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post #944 of 1359
2/9/13 at 11:09am
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RCA interconnects when ran near power cables have a high likelihood of producing audible hum regardless of brand or price tag.

For what its worth, I'm running monoprice RCA's to my xpa-5 and the closest they come to any power cables is around 6 inches and have no audible hum.

I have RCAs from monoprice running right next to power cables and have no hum. I guess I'm just lucky.
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post #945 of 1359
2/9/13 at 11:45am
I am saying all I did was move the wires and the hum is gone. It really doesn't matter that they are cheap. I know that they can cause hum in yours /my system.
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post #946 of 1359
2/9/13 at 11:55am
Maybe this is my problem?
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post #947 of 1359
2/9/13 at 11:58am
LOL looks like mine.
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post #948 of 1359
2/9/13 at 4:06pm
I want to select a power conditioner that can handle the XPA-5

specifically looking at Furman IT Reference 15i

Does anyone have this combo?

or recommend something similar?

presently have the Furman Reference 1210 rated 10 amps:the breaker trips when the XPA5 is used at high volume levels

TIA
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post #949 of 1359
2/9/13 at 5:36pm
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I want to select a power conditioner that can handle the XPA-5

specifically looking at Furman IT Reference 15i

Does anyone have this combo?

or recommend something similar?

presently have the Furman Reference 1210 rated 10 amps:the breaker trips when the XPA5 is used at high volume levels

TIA

I have a Sherbourn 5-200 (basically the same as the XPA 5) and use the Panamax M5400. No issues at all. Panamax M5400 rated at 15Amps.
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post #950 of 1359
2/9/13 at 6:39pm
I have a Furman Elite-15. I have my Pioneer Elite SC-35, 82" DLP, Oppo BDP-103, XBOX 360 slim, Rythmik FV15HP and my XPA-5 all plugged into it. Works perfectly.
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post #951 of 1359
2/9/13 at 8:23pm
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OK, let me try and convey what I obviously am having trouble trying to convey. I used some wrong lingo when trying to ask what I was asking. Recently I decided to go to separates and try and upgrade my system. Along the way in my research I ran across a thread (i cant recall where) that made mention of current when considering a power amp. During my visit at a local Hi_fi place, the salesman made the same comment. The amp I was considering, although higher wpc, did not deliver those wpc at the same current as the another wpc amp did. Like the thread I had read, he made the same analogy to describe what he was talking about. He said a 140wpc amp running at a low current would be like 140 watts coming through a garden hose while another amp running at 140wpc through a firehose. The higher current amp is going to sound cleaner, louder and just plain better. From what Ive read and experienced in my research, most manufacturers dont post current in their specs. I have seen some that do though. For research's sake, Im trying to find out that particular spec on the Emotiva XPA5 before buying it. Im pretty sold on it, but would like to know just for S


to me the fire hose garden hose would be good comparision for speaker wire...


12 awg vs 18 awg.. you want the 12 gauge stuff lets those watts amp s.. flow to the speakers EZZZ eh..


cheers

If the tap (fawcett) only delivers 1 gallon per minute, and you get one gallon per minute through the garden hose, swapping it for a fire hose will still only deliver one gallon per minute. IOW, once you have 'enough' hose diameter, enlarging it further makes no difference.

dont think 18awg is a gallon a minute mr k...
yes there is over kill...

cheers..
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post #952 of 1359
2/10/13 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I want to select a power conditioner that can handle the XPA-5

specifically looking at Furman IT Reference 15i

Does anyone have this combo?

or recommend something similar?

presently have the Furman Reference 1210 rated 10 amps:the breaker trips when the XPA5 is used at high volume levels

TIA

I use an APC H15 1.5KVA H Type Power Conditioner with absolutely no problems.
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post #953 of 1359
2/10/13 at 7:24am
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Might be a good move. There is very little precision in how tight an RCA cable will be. Some are loose and others get a death grip on the jack. I have some cables of both types.

This is a good reason to buy a cable such as those from BJC that use a constant pressure connector. Sure, it's not the cheapest thing you can buy from Monoprice, but they pretty much end the death grip or too loose scenarios.
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post #954 of 1359
2/10/13 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I want to select a power conditioner that can handle the XPA-5

specifically looking at Furman IT Reference 15i

Does anyone have this combo?

or recommend something similar?

presently have the Furman Reference 1210 rated 10 amps:the breaker trips when the XPA5 is used at high volume levels

TIA

Why not just plug it into the wall? What are you trying to fix with the conditioner?
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post #955 of 1359
2/10/13 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I want to select a power conditioner that can handle the XPA-5

specifically looking at Furman IT Reference 15i

Does anyone have this combo?

or recommend something similar?

presently have the Furman Reference 1210 rated 10 amps:the breaker trips when the XPA5 is used at high volume levels

TIA

Why not just plug it into the wall? What are you trying to fix with the conditioner?

it is plugged in direct to the wall normally...and I am well aware there are two schools of thought: one says do not plug your power amp into any kind of conditioner.

What I am concerned with are line power line issues and I want to add some protection for the amp: Furman claims their new conditioners power factor correction actually benefit an amplifier: I am not sure of that

at any rate I plugged the XPA-5 into my old Furman RI 1210 which is rated 10 amps: at low or medium volume levels it is working and I want to see if I notice any difference in sound quality
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post #956 of 1359
2/10/13 at 8:16am
If protection is the primary concern then I suggest a whole-house surge protector at the meter base or at the main panel.

Chances are it'll be less expensive and do a better job considering a lower impedance path earth for surges.
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post #957 of 1359
2/10/13 at 10:28am
+1 What exactly are the power line issues of concern -- noise, large transients/lightening, brownouts/outages?

The back sticker on my XPA-5 says 1500 W max, or 12.5 A at 120 . I would choose a 15 A device; based on that, the Furman 15i should work for the amp. Not sure what else you'll have on it. It does seem like a significant investment given the price of the amplifier. You might also check out professional units that may be cheaper though not as pretty.
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post #958 of 1359
2/10/13 at 3:50pm
I was looking for some side by sides with this amp, can't really find much. How would this amp do against the Outlaw Audio 7500. $900.00 vs. $1500.00 is quite a bit of a gap. Is the Outlaw that much better? Can anyone tell me the differences?

Thanks.
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post #959 of 1359
2/12/13 at 3:02pm
just saw some amps xpa 1 and xpa 3 are on sale at emotiva....

i do like a sale..

cheers
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post #960 of 1359
2/12/13 at 3:07pm
Saw that too. Just asked for a quite for an xpa5 and a xda2. Would live an xpr5
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