Originally Posted by happy nightmares
I had a feeling you might come back with a (smart-ass) response like that, so let me make a few things crystal clear for you.
#1 - I'm a serious gamer. I'm a member of 3 different online leagues and I play every day. I know what lag is. I also know the difference between significant lag and minimal lag. If you are a 'good' player, than minimal lag is not a problem.
#2 - Your tests are not supervised or controlled by a professional. They are not conclusive and they really don't prove anything.
#3- You have not tested all the models. You are wrong for attempting to mislead people into believing you have.
#4 - Numbers and tests are nice to look at, but they are only useful to a point. Real-world gaming tells the true story.
#5 - As long as the lag is not significant, it's a non issue for skilled players. Splitting hairs between a few milliseconds is something for noobs and people with nothing better to do with their time. But of course, I suppose if you have no skill, those few extra milliseconds might matter to you.
you want to play your console games in a laggy environment go right ahead.
your console games lag more than the TV does even ones as bad as the Samsung LED'shttp://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...article?page=3http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...article?page=3
Burnout Paradise 67ms
BioShock (frame-locked) 133ms
BioShock (unlocked) as low as 67ms
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 67ms-84ms
Call of Duty: World at War 67ms-100ms
Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood 100ms
Forza Motorsport 2 67ms
Geometry Wars 2 67ms
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith 67ms
Grand Theft Auto IV 133ms-200ms
Halo 3 100ms-150ms
Left 4 Dead 100ms-133ms
LEGO Batman 133ms
Mirror's Edge 133ms
Street Fighter IV 67ms
Soul Calibur IV 67ms-84ms
Unreal Tournament 3 100ms-133ms
X-Men Origins: Wolverine 133ms
BioShock 2 Frame-rate Locked 133-150ms
BioShock 2 Frame-rate Unlocked 100-150ms
Call of Duty: World at War 66ms-100ms
Dante's Inferno 100ms
Killzone 2 150-183ms
Mirror's Edge 133ms
MotorStorm: Pacific Rift 116ms-133ms
Resident Evil 5 100-150ms
Ridge Racer 7 66ms
Street Fighter IV 66ms
Unreal Tournament III 100-133ms
WipEout HD 84ms
combined that lag with internet lag and your LED samsung's 60-80ms input lag
your looking at close to a half of a second of lag!
as for real world results let me tell you my story of how i was an input lag skeptic much like yourself and became a believer of never buying another Laggy display to use with my PC for gaming.
a year ago i bought a Sony 32XBR6 with intent to use it as my primary PC monitor, it seemingly worked great, image was great on it the game i mainly played at the time EVE Online a space based MMORPG was great on it because lag is never an issue in those sorts of games.
then one day i decided to break out Battlefield 1942, I used to be one of the best pilots in that game and was in a clan that placed 2nd in CAL at one time. I had flown with the best of the best pilots in that game and learned much from them.
so i got into a low lag server and started playing it and for the life of me i could not shoot down other planes when they would bank to try to get away from me, this is a critical time and often the time i take them out because they expose their engine to my guns. in order to hit the engine you must lead your planes cross hairs in front of them and i know very well where to place my cross hairs to take down a target very quickly.
problem was with my new TV i could not ever find the area i needed to place my cross hairs because my TV was delaying the image displayed so much i could never predict when to fire and i would end up hitting their tail section and they would take minimal damage.
now having already tested my TV for input lag and knew about that problem i was like i guess i should try using my 22" Viewsonic LCD PC monitor so i moved it in front of my TV on my desk, jumped back into the very same server with the same guys in it and went from being one of the worst players in that server for a round to being ranked 3rd!
if that's not a real world explanation for how input lag of a display can impact your gaming I don't know what is.
after getting my Panny 37S1 i no longer have problems playing this game because although I've tested it to be slower than my PC monitor its only slower by 10ms roughly and not enough to impact gaming, the mere 45ms lag my Sony TV had was extremely detrimental to my game play.
if you think i'm alone in this need for a nearly lag free display your mistaken, there are many articles around the net on it and even threads here on these forums, i run one of them that works to compile data on as many TV's as possible to help gamers that care about their gaming performancehttp://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1110472http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1166196http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1068844http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3601http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_laghttp://www.behardware.com/articles/6...2-to-5-ms.htmlhttp://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3584http://gear.ign.com/articles/720/720303p2.html
the list goes on just search about it