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post #121 of 5012
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Originally Posted by G20Fan View Post

Maybe i did, but its too small of an issue to justify bringing it back and having to deal with the first 100 hours again...and again...and again. Becasue in the end you can always find a slight defect in your TV if you are picky...i am not about to go through 3 TV's just becasue i think a pixel looks bad or maybe my floating blacks are just a tad worse.


So are those issues really considered a defect? Maybe panny plasmas are not the TV for you?
post #122 of 5012
I just finished my break-in per D-nice's procedures, and have installed his offsets. I think the picture looks fantastic, so thank you very much D-Nice! However, one very small problem is that when I run DVE's gray steps or whatever they call them, the 5% and 10% show a little too much green. Is there a way I can adjust this out in THX mode? I'm an old Sony XBR user and could adjust the white balance in the user menu, however this is missing from the THX mode on my panasonic. Is this the same thing as D-nice's offsets ?...I'm just a newbie and a little confused between Sony's Gain/Bias wording and panasonic's...what settings should I adjust this out with?

My settings

Picture:
Picture Mode: THX
Contrast: 62
Brightness: 52
Color: 51
Tint: -1
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Warm2
Color Management: Off
x.v. Color: Off
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
Blur Reduction: Off

Advance Options
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pulldown: Auto

D-nice's Service Menu Offsets
WB-ADJ MENU
R-DRV: -1
G-DRV: -8
B-DRV: +4
R-CUT: -8
G-CUT: 0
B-CUT: +3

-thank you
post #123 of 5012
im having trouble finding some one in my area to calibrate my g20 . so far i have found one guy . he is not isf certified . he says he will do a full calibration using a colorimeter ,dvd , and his lap top.he will balance the grey scale , sharpness , contrast , red /blue /green ect . does this sound proper ? thanks
post #124 of 5012
hey guys i'm pretty much a newbie in this. I just got my G25 and am attempting to do the breakin and downloaded the files. However every other slide it says cannot read file? is that correct?

okay i figured it out, i unzipped on osx dont know why it did that but after extracting through windows everything is fine.
post #125 of 5012
Just started breaking in my G25.

Can I leave it on for 100 consecutive hours or should I give it a break at some point?
post #126 of 5012
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Originally Posted by IceCold1906 View Post

So are those issues really considered a defect? Maybe panny plasmas are not the TV for you?


No, i was just saying people can find something wrong with anything and call it a defect...I love my TV and i am keeping it thank you very much
post #127 of 5012
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Originally Posted by t_m_b View Post

Just started breaking in my G25.

Can I leave it on for 100 consecutive hours or should I give it a break at some point?

I'd give it a small break personally. A few hours every day. Break as in off. That's me tho. Most ppl overall have 8-12 hours of break time or less, otherwise it's full on slideshow! Ppl want to get this process done ASAP =D And remember before making any changes, write down what all your values were originally (factory set). I can't wait to get mine tomorrow and start this.

I do have a question too actually don't want to sound n00by tunes but I am still generally new at this =)... my brother came to live with me for a year and brought his Panny Z800u. He kept the Picture (contrast) setting in THX mode near 100. As many suggest. At least 70 min. Light output wasn't the best and I can attest it needed to be high and didn't ruin the PQ. The new G2xxs the light out put is a lot superior in THX it's a huge plus. Is that why it's lower in these reference settings? I'd love to use THX for more day time/general viewing if can. Impossible on the Z800u.
post #128 of 5012
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Originally Posted by t_m_b View Post

Just started breaking in my G25.

Can I leave it on for 100 consecutive hours or should I give it a break at some point?

I ran mine continuous for five days. I don't think it hurts the TV. Unless you have the TV in an enclosed cabinet it shouldn't overheat from running continuously. Like RedWindow says "thats me tho".
post #129 of 5012
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Originally Posted by G20Fan View Post

No, i was just saying people can find something wrong with anything and call it a defect...I love my TV and i am keeping it thank you very much

Right on!
post #130 of 5012
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Originally Posted by astorvick View Post

I just finished my break-in per D-nice's procedures, and have installed his offsets. I think the picture looks fantastic, so thank you very much D-Nice! However, one very small problem is that when I run DVE's gray steps or whatever they call them, the 5% and 10% show a little too much green. Is there a way I can adjust this out in THX mode? I'm an old Sony XBR user and could adjust the white balance in the user menu, however this is missing from the THX mode on my panasonic. Is this the same thing as D-nice's offsets ?...I'm just a newbie and a little confused between Sony's Gain/Bias wording and panasonic's...what settings should I adjust this out with?

My settings

Picture:
Picture Mode: THX
Contrast: 62
Brightness: 52
Color: 51
Tint: -1
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Warm2
Color Management: Off
x.v. Color: Off
Photo Enhancement: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
Blur Reduction: Off

Advance Options
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pulldown: Auto

D-nice's Service Menu Offsets
WB-ADJ MENU
R-DRV: -1
G-DRV: -8
B-DRV: +4
R-CUT: -8
G-CUT: 0
B-CUT: +3

-thank you

if you are using d-nice break and offsets, they should be the only setting you use. I am nto sure what DVE's grey steps are.
post #131 of 5012
can any one comment on wether a profesional calibration is worth the money , does it make a big difference ? thanks
post #132 of 5012
Best Buy guy's told me not to bother that in THX mode the unit is very good. The differences won't be that much. But with that said If I had lot's of cash I would have it done.
I used the money for a Blue Ray.
post #133 of 5012
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Originally Posted by IceCold1906 View Post

if you are using d-nice break and offsets, they should be the only setting you use. I am nto sure what DVE's grey steps are.

Grey steps are just a series (side by side) showing 0 IRE, 5 IRE, 10 IRE, ...........100 IRE. Any green/blue/red tint reflects a problem with the gray scale. I've never understood how one group of white balance adjustments can be applicable to all of a manufacturer's sets. If that is the case, why aren't they implemented at the factory?
post #134 of 5012
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

Grey steps are just a series (side by side) showing 0 IRE, 5 IRE, 10 IRE, ...........100 IRE. Any green/blue/red tint reflects a problem with the gray scale. I've never understood how one group of white balance adjustments can be applicable to all of a manufacturer's sets. If that is the case, why aren't they implemented at the factory?

Hey rlb, are you the same person from the SXRD forum?..if so..Hi. I just
replaced my 60" XBR2 with a Panasonic G20. I'm a very happy with the
Panasonic display so far, I still like Sony, but I felt like I should punish them
a little...lol
post #135 of 5012
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

I've never understood how one group of white balance adjustments can be applicable to all of a manufacturer's sets. If that is the case, why aren't they implemented at the factory?

Maybe to artificially distinguish between different models in a range?

Anyway, I'd tend to agree, using someone else's greyscale settings is tending towards the pointless.
post #136 of 5012
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

If that is the case, why aren't they implemented at the factory?

Go into a store and measure 5 brand new displays from the same manufacturer (same model too) with the same settings and see how close they are to each other. After you have done that, ask yourself the same question your just posted. Let me know when you figure out that they actually are close to each other from the factory.
post #137 of 5012
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Go into a store and measure 5 brand new displays from the same manufacturer (same model too) with the same settings and see how close they are to each other. After you have done that, ask yourself the same question your just posted. Let me know when you figure out that they actually are close to each other from the factory.

D-nice, I have a few questions...

1. When we're changing the WB-ADJ values in the SM, is it in real time? Should I see the grayscale change when adjusting with the vol +- buttons?, or do I have to restart the display to see the change. I know there is a difference after applying your offsets, and i think it's a great picture, but I'm just wondering why I can't see the grayscale change while in the SM. changing the WB setting in custom, I can see the change right away.

2. Under custom you can't change green, but in the SM you can. Any reason why panasonic won't let you change green under custom. I'm not hurting my display by changing the green value in the SM am I?.
post #138 of 5012
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Go into a store and measure 5 brand new displays from the same manufacturer (same model too) with the same settings and see how close they are to each other. After you have done that, ask yourself the same question your just posted. Let me know when you figure out that they actually are close to each other from the factory.

I agree with this; are D-Nice's settings optimal for everyone and in every situation? No, but optimal is OPTIMAL (best you can get for your personal needs/situation)... is it close and ballpark per model? Yeah and then some imo... will it be better than stock factory (even if they fluctuate) and closer to more accurate calibrated levels per models? Yeah... I haven't heard one person for any of D-Nice's reference settings complain or thought they made everything worse. Optimal? I don't know; probably not, again; your viewing; personal pref and sources account for a lot of the calibration. But not all sets for a model is so vastly different from eachother where it's night and day calibrations. Manufacturer's know this; some ppl DO like Vivid setting; These reference settings thus would not be good for those ppl. Also why with sets with THX mode are so close anyways for most ppl; why do anything else to attempt to get calibrated? Not everyone uses HDMI still; or blu-ray, etc... there is no OPTIMAL for EVERYONE; but you can get CLOSER.

I am not expert at all; but feel strongly from what I know and other's responses and opinions (not just with THESE settings but other D-Nice's calibrations) and D-Nice himself. Any bad comments have been PEOPLE making mistakes; not reading/understanding or messing with D-Nice's settings by a lot. It's not a waste; and you can always DIY for more personal calibration for your situation based off of D-Nice's settings or simply try your own or get a professional. For those who want a FREE, trusted; reliable person gracious enough to do tests and give out free reference that's really good - you cannot go wrong if you follow the instructions and are careful. If you want to go that extra distance, higher a professional.
post #139 of 5012
Here are four factory grayscale graphs for the S1 series. All quite similar. And all with slightly different factory service menu white balance values.

Default #1


Default #2


Default #3


Default #4



I have posted more default graphs for the S1 in this forum and they all show a remarkable likeness -- just as D-Nice says.


Larry
post #140 of 5012
Sorry for the noob question that is about to follow. Please help be understand the break-in procedure. I have a G20 and have downloaded the slides to a usb flashdrive and need to be sure about the first couple of post.
Post #1 are the "Photo" settings that I will be setting to run the slides..
Post #3 is labeled as "reference settings"
**when do I use the reference settings? after I complete the break-in procedure?
Once again, sorry for any confusion I obviously have. Thanks in advance
post #141 of 5012
has any one had there g20 profesionaly calibrated ?
post #142 of 5012
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Originally Posted by codyzx7 View Post

Sorry for the noob question that is about to follow. Please help be understand the break-in procedure. I have a G20 and have downloaded the slides to a usb flashdrive and need to be sure about the first couple of post.
Post #1 are the "Photo" settings that I will be setting to run the slides..
Post #3 is labeled as "reference settings"
**when do I use the reference settings? after I complete the break-in procedure?
Once again, sorry for any confusion I obviously have. Thanks in advance

The answers are basically in D-Nice's first post and throughout this thread. But...

Yes, those are ONLY setting for the slides; nothing else. You can see the photo option when inserting a SD card (although I think USB works too).
Use the reference settings AFTER. But make sure to write down your original settings before changing, esp in the Service Menu SM.
post #143 of 5012
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by new plasma guy View Post

has any one had there g20 profesionaly calibrated ?

Would you like to be the first?
post #144 of 5012
i have talked with a calibrator i want to get it done . i dont know much about it . just wondering how much it improves the picture qaulity ect .....
post #145 of 5012
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by new plasma guy View Post

i have talked with a calibrator i want to get it done . i dont know much about it . just wondering how much it improves the picture qaulity ect .....

If done right, there should be a visible improvement. How much? I don't know as I'm not you nor do I know how your eyes currently perceives your display.
post #146 of 5012
true . the calibrator told me it will make a very big difference in picture qaulity . he is suppose to be a well respected calibrator from the boston area . i guess i will find out soon enough ........
post #147 of 5012
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Originally Posted by RedWindow View Post

The answers are basically in D-Nice's first post and throughout this thread. But...

Yes, those are ONLY setting for the slides; nothing else. You can see the photo option when inserting a SD card (although I think USB works too).
Use the reference settings AFTER. But make sure to write down your original settings before changing, esp in the Service Menu SM.

Thanks. I did read all 5 pages of this thread and still was not completely clear. That is why I asked, and also apologized in advance for my confusion.
post #148 of 5012
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Would you like to be the first?

Im fairly interested in getting my G20 calibrated. I work for Best Buy but I dont particularly like the calibrator in our area.
post #149 of 5012
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Originally Posted by new plasma guy View Post

has any one had there g20 profesionaly calibrated ?

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Would you like to be the first?

If one was to have their panel professionally calibrated shortly after the break-in period won't it have to be re-calibrated after the black levels finish rising?
post #150 of 5012
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by El Hombre View Post

If one was to have their panel professionally calibrated shortly after the break-in period won't it have to be re-calibrated after the black levels finish rising?

Not from what I have seen.
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