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post #4741 of 5010
Hi

Can i use the thumb drive files to calibrate the RGB on my new plasma or do i have to download and burn the AVS HD709 file from the calibration for dummies guide?

Thanks
post #4742 of 5010
I just got a TH-P50VT20Z and the settings are different to the ones in the first posts in this thread. Are there any calibration guides for my TV?
post #4743 of 5010
Someone please help me out and provide answers to the following questions concerning my picture cal and the subsequent results. I have a 65VT25 with D-Nice's settings and offsets applied.

1. Are D-Nice's settings intended to produce a somewhat "darker" image on the plasma panel when compared to the "Vivid" mode on the set or an LED LCD?
2. Are D-Nice's offset settings indeed only applicable to the WARM2 color temperature (totally independent of the other four)?
3. One can change the color temperature to WARM1, NORMAL, COOL1, or COOL2 in the "Custom" mode and the service menu offsets applied would not be applicable (it would be factory defaults for all other color temps in the service menu)?
4. Do any of you find D-Nice's settings to be a little too dark? My brother and wife have both commented that the picture looks dark to them.
5. Is there a calibration disc recommended that might provide a way of adjusting to a bit brighter picture (not as bright as "Vivid" mode though...it looks fake to me)?

Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. I did not write down my service menu offsets prior to making the changes, but I'm 99%+ that they are fine. If my statement above is correct, the offsets are only applicable to WARM2 no matter what mode I'm in (correct?). If I want to make adjustments on other color temps then the service menu settings would be on the factory default.

Again...thanks for the help!

Matt
post #4744 of 5010
Which of these settings would be best for a TC-L37X2?

Thanks
post #4745 of 5010
Can anyone confirm this for me? Are the default service menu offsets for warm 1080 the same as warm for 480? Long story short I accidentely deleted my vid on my iphone of my defaults for the warm 1080 color matrix.Thanx in advance.

Cheers, John
post #4746 of 5010
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Originally Posted by lsumatt1514 View Post

someone please help me out and provide answers to the following questions concerning my picture cal and the subsequent results. I have a 65vt25 with d-nice's settings and offsets applied.

1. Are d-nice's settings intended to produce a somewhat "darker" image on the plasma panel when compared to the "vivid" mode on the set or an led lcd?
1. Yes but there's more to it. What you think is to be "darker" than vivid couldn't be farther from the truth infact you're seeming so much more detail in the image when using those settings. Put an hd bluray on with alot of dark sense in it. Like under a table or a scene were you see a dark room behind the actors.
Now pause it, make sure you have it in vivid picture mode. Now look at every dark area on screen and study those areas intently. After 30+ sec. Switch the tv from vivid to custom or whatever dnice is using.

Now do you see? Do you notice all the stuff you couldn't see or even know it was there? You should.


2. Are d-nice's offset settings indeed only applicable to the warm2 color temperature (totally independent of the other four)?
2. Yes it's meant for warm 2
3. One can change the color temperature to warm1, normal, cool1, or cool2 in the "custom" mode and the service menu offsets applied would not be applicable (it would be factory defaults for all other color temps in the service menu)?
3. You shouldn't. And don't even think about cool 1 or cool2. Its mean for warm2.
4. Do any of you find d-nice's settings to be a little too dark? My brother and wife have both commented that the picture looks dark to them.
4. They are so use to vivid torching of whats left of there eyes they can't see anything anymore it's all about detail not how bright it looks compaired to vivid. People always say, oh it's not bright anymore. Vivid looks brighter and better but people are missing so much in each movie or tv show in vivid mode. The movie director never intended you to be watching your tv in vivd. He spent millions on how the film would look. Why wouldn't you want to see how the director intented you to view it?
Let me ask you this? Do you watch your tv at full volume?
The answer to that is no. So why do you want to watch it using vivid? Thats equal to watching it with the vol. At max.
How long do you think those speakers will hold up at max vol?
Same applies to vivid.

5. Is there a calibration disc recommended that might provide a way of adjusting to a bit brighter picture (not as bright as "vivid" mode though...it looks fake to me)?
Pay for an isf calibration would be the wisest.
Why do people think the tv cost x amount of dollars cause it says that price on the sticker... Dont people know by now that the total cost of a tv is, sticker price plus professional isf calibration. From $199. To $500. For isf calibration.

Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. I did not write down my service menu offsets prior to making the changes, but i'm 99%+ that they are fine. If my statement above is correct, the offsets are only applicable to warm2 no matter what mode i'm in (correct?). If i want to make adjustments on other color temps then the service menu settings would be on the factory default.

Again...thanks for the help!

Matt

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post #4747 of 5010
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Originally Posted by Musick7 View Post

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My wife just made the statement multiple times while I was playing NCAA Football '10 (which is 720p) that it looked dark...I'm an LSU guy and was playing Alabama and she stated it was so "dark" that it didn't even look like Alabama. I tend to disagree because Vivid looks TERRIBLE to me...however now she has it in her mind that the picture is too dark compared to our Samsung LCS sets that were calibrated using the official/most accurate settings in a thread here on AVS forums.

Avatar looks GREAT to me...it is the games that seem to be jumping out at most folks as "too dark." Thank you so much for the response.

Matt
post #4748 of 5010
I've asked this before and can't recall seeing a response...but is there NO WAY to do a system restore and put all settings (contrast, brightness, etc) and service menu settings back to their default value? I just find this very hard to believe that it in no way can be done. Just asking...Thanks guys!

Matt
post #4749 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

I've asked this before and can't recall seeing a response...but is there NO WAY to do a system restore and put all settings (contrast, brightness, etc) and service menu settings back to their default value? I just find this very hard to believe that it in no way can be done. Just asking...Thanks guys!

Matt

For service menu settings I don't believe this is possible, that is why it is recommended before you go into the service menu to write down your settings, as you have no way to get back to them after changing
post #4750 of 5010
Matt, there is no reset back to your original values. The only thing I can add is did you change both the HD and SD? Many people me included don't watch SD, therefore I did not change those settings. Several very knowledgeable people here have stated that if you don't touch the SD area, then the original values will be found there intact. Out of the box both HD and SD have the same values. I have not personally verified that, my GF owns the 42S2, but believe it's true. Get back into the SM and see if the HD settings are different from the SD setting. If they different, chances are the SD setting are your originals, good luck.

Tom
post #4751 of 5010
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Originally Posted by twscarp View Post

Matt, there is no reset back to your original values. The only thing I can add is did you change both the HD and SD? Many people me included don't watch SD, therefore I did not change those settings. Several very knowledgeable people here have stated that if you don't touch the SD area, then the original values will be found there intact. Out of the box both HD and SD have the same values. I have not personally verified that, my GF owns the 42S2, but believe it's true. Get back into the SM and see if the HD settings are different from the SD setting. If they different, chances are the SD setting are your originals, good luck.

Tom

Thankyou sir, I checked my defaults for cool/normal both in 1080hd and 480sd and sure enough they are the same. I even changed a value by one in hd normal and then checked go see if it changed it in sd and sure enough the factory defaults remained unchanged for sd. Handy tip to know providing you just messed around with the hd offsets without writing down the factory defaults.

Cheers, John

P.S As you can tell by the # of posts I have I'm pretty new here, just like to say this is a fantasic forum with a great group of knowledgable/helpful people! It's greatly appreciated!
post #4752 of 5010
Well...I did change my offsets in both HD and SD and I'm 99%+ sure they are correct...I just didn't write them down like an idiot! I got in a hurry.

Movies look great! Avatar is amazing. It just seems that the games are not as "bright" per say as they could be. As y'all referenced, I guess others are just used to the burning hot brightness that they see in the box stores when they go TV shopping.

If a professional ISF calibrator comes out to do a cal on my set, what will he do with the service menu offsets if they have already been changed? How will this affect his calibration?

Thanks for the assistance guys.
post #4753 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

Well...I did change my offsets in both HD and SD and I'm 99%+ sure they are correct...I just didn't write them down like an idiot! I got in a hurry.

Movies look great! Avatar is amazing. It just seems that the games are not as "bright" per say as they could be. As y'all referenced, I guess others are just used to the burning hot brightness that they see in the box stores when they go TV shopping.

If a professional ISF calibrator comes out to do a cal on my set, what will he do with the service menu offsets if they have already been changed? How will this affect his calibration?

Thanks for the assistance guys.

It shouldnt affect the calibration he should just dial you in from where you are at.
post #4754 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

Well...I did change my offsets in both HD and SD and I'm 99%+ sure they are correct...I just didn't write them down like an idiot! I got in a hurry.

Movies look great! Avatar is amazing. It just seems that the games are not as "bright" per say as they could be. As y'all referenced, I guess others are just used to the burning hot brightness that they see in the box stores when they go TV shopping.

If a professional ISF calibrator comes out to do a cal on my set, what will he do with the service menu offsets if they have already been changed? How will this affect his calibration?

Thanks for the assistance guys.

It will not matter to a pro calibrator... they will use their instruments to measure where the TV is now, then apply their knowledge/experience to get it where it needs to be. It really doesn't matter whether the "now" settings are factory default or not.
post #4755 of 5010
1. I'm highly considering getting a 65" GT30. Is the THX mode the recommended setting for both tv and movie watching?

2. Can you turn the brightness up on the THX mode for daytime watching or are the settings all set in stone for that mode?
post #4756 of 5010
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Originally Posted by JLennerth View Post

1. I'm highly considering getting a 65" GT30. Is the THX mode the recommended setting for both tv and movie watching?

2. Can you turn the brightness up on the THX mode for daytime watching or are the settings all set in stone for that mode?

I'm sure gamma can be adjusted, may be a service menu tweak tho
post #4757 of 5010
What is the best way to find a GOOD ISF calibrator in your area? I did a Google search and found a couple places in Birmingham, but when I called them they acted like they did not do it for residential....then all the other search results were the dreaded Best Buy Geek Squad and they are not touching my set.
post #4758 of 5010
Matt try the "Display Calibration" thread in AVS. It's only 5 pages, but looks like you may be able to find a calibrator in your area. Go to the forum page, scroll down, you'll see it.

Tom
post #4759 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

What is the best way to find a GOOD ISF calibrator in your area? I did a Google search and found a couple places in Birmingham, but when I called them they acted like they did not do it for residential....then all the other search results were the dreaded Best Buy Geek Squad and they are not touching my set.

Put a request in this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586330
post #4760 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

My wife just made the statement multiple times while I was playing NCAA Football '10 (which is 720p) that it looked dark...I'm an LSU guy and was playing Alabama and she stated it was so "dark" that it didn't even look like Alabama. I tend to disagree because Vivid looks TERRIBLE to me...however now she has it in her mind that the picture is too dark compared to our Samsung LCS sets that were calibrated using the official/most accurate settings in a thread here on AVS forums.

Avatar looks GREAT to me...it is the games that seem to be jumping out at most folks as "too dark." Thank you so much for the response.

Matt

Hey Matt

Can you take a few pictures of your plasma? If you have an iPhone 4 with HDR or any other camera with HDR snap a few and post them please.
If no HDR thats all good. =)

Make sure there isn't any reflection such as outdoor light or indoor light when you take the pics... (Glare or Reflection of you taking the pics) ()

Most Important and also Hardest if you don't have a Way to keep Camera in same location
if at all possible; Try and take a Picture of the DNice settings and take another using VIVID.{Not actual menu settings, I want to compare the image on screen of some HD 1080p content while it's set to Vivid, take picture. Change image from vivid to DNice settings and Take another Pic.} (If you have a Tripod use that so the camera won't be in a different location and at the same Height.() If not use something you can sit the camera on and Make note as to where the camera is on whatever it is you use to keep in same location/Height. Painters tape to mark the spot maybe...
It is KEY to keep the camera in exact location to do an A, B, comparison with each video setting.
And take a picture of the screen paused using each setting. If no blu-ray, HD DVR content will work.

if you want my direct email PM me if you have any problems with uploading it to AVS or you have to downgrade image quality or if you have GMail you can put them in an Online Doc with Google Documents. Just need the link to it.

Thank you!
post #4761 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

I've asked this before and can't recall seeing a response...but is there NO WAY to do a system restore and put all settings (contrast, brightness, etc) and service menu settings back to their default value? I just find this very hard to believe that it in no way can be done. Just asking...Thanks guys!

Matt

In this Forum on Page 158, you asked same Myself and several others replied. Here's link to answer.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20346373
I told the ISF person that I had followed DNice settings for my TV on here and he said, not a problem I can do a reset.
I said in another post I couldn't remember the details I think but I've had a few days to ponder... and I'm certain he said the above.
I know you can, In fact, when we had our Panasonic Repaired a few weeks ago the repair man Erased and Deleted everything within the Service Menu after his SD card wouldn't work Long and VERY FRUSTRATING story

Anyways, You can reset to factory, I'll try and find the persons user name that will know how to do so...
post #4762 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Musick7 View Post

In this Forum on Page 158, you asked same Myself and several others replied. Here's link to answer.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20346373
I told the ISF person that I had followed DNice settings for my TV on here and he said, not a problem I can do a reset.
I said in another post I couldn't remember the details I think but I've had a few days to ponder... and I'm certain he said the above.
I know you can, In fact, when we had our Panasonic Repaired a few weeks ago the repair man Erased and Deleted everything within the Service Menu after his SD card wouldn't work Long and VERY FRUSTRATING story

Anyways, You can reset to factory, I'll try and find the persons user name that will know how to do so...

No, you cannot (without some very specific saving procedures beforehand).
post #4763 of 5010
The repair guy deleted all settings back to factory... Maybe I'm saying it wrong in the post but thats what the repair guy said to me.
post #4764 of 5010
It makes sense that some type of default setting would be needed when a new board or some other item pertaining to the settings was replaced. Some type of generic setting is required to operate the TV. Point is, apparently there is no memory of the original, off the assembly line values. As each TV is calibrated to a standard individually, each one will have different values.

Tom
post #4765 of 5010
I will take some pictures tonight. BTW...what is HDR? My wife has a pretty pimped out Cannon camera.

Matt
post #4766 of 5010
Do any glasses come w/the GT30?
post #4767 of 5010
I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

I have a VT25 and I'm looking for some good settings for the 360, the blacks seem crushed, I don't know what Reference Level and HDMI Color space I should pick. Any advice? I've only popped in a calibration disc in the PS3 for my Game settings, but it clearly doesn't seem to work on the 360.
post #4768 of 5010
Quote:
Originally Posted by JLennerth View Post

1. I'm highly considering getting a 65" GT30. Is the THX mode the recommended setting for both tv and movie watching?

2. Can you turn the brightness up on the THX mode for daytime watching or are the settings all set in stone for that mode?

Normal user settings are available (i.e., brightness, contrast, sharpness, color, and hue/tint).
post #4769 of 5010
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Originally Posted by rlb View Post

Normal user settings are available (i.e., brightness, contrast, sharpness, color, and hue/tint).

thanks for the info
post #4770 of 5010
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Originally Posted by LSUMatt1514 View Post

I will take some pictures tonight. BTW...what is HDR? My wife has a pretty pimped out Cannon camera.

Matt

HDR is High Dynamic Range. If you've even seen pictures with a beautiful foreground and a washed out sky (all white) or a beautiful blue sky but the foreground is all shadows, that's what that means. HDR will usually take several shots exposed for the different brightness levels and combine them into a single photo.

I presume this was asked so that you don't have a similar problem.
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