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post #4921 of 5012
I posted a review a while back on the calibration review thread. I'm not at liberty to post those reports here.
post #4922 of 5012
With the service menu settings for the G20...

I know the offsets need to be applied for each HD and SD signal, but similarly, do they need to be applied for each color temp setting *within* the service menu? The factory presets seem to be different based on the color temperature setting within the service menu.
post #4923 of 5012
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Originally Posted by bradyman View Post

With the service menu settings for the G20...

I know the offsets need to be applied for each HD and SD signal, but similarly, do they need to be applied for each color temp setting *within* the service menu? The factory presets seem to be different based on the color temperature setting within the service menu.

No those offsets only apply to the "warm" setting under cinema.
post #4924 of 5012
Thank you - and "All cut" and "All-Drv" are left on their original settings, correct? Thanks
post #4925 of 5012
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Originally Posted by bradyman View Post

Thank you - and "All cut" and "All-Drv" are left on their original settings, correct? Thanks


Do not touch the all cuts or the all drv's..Please be very, very careful in the service menu. You can brick your TV. Change only the cuts and drvs -- do not touch the allcut or alldrv controls.
post #4926 of 5012
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Originally Posted by _thx1138_ View Post

But what exactly did this Chad b do? Do you have any calibration reports to post so we could see chads end results?

Contact Chad B or read the reports listed at the bottom of my post. You'll find plasma flat panel reports in post number two.
post #4927 of 5012
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Chad_B did mine, ...

Thanks for posting your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel list (post #2) that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Would it be possible for your to edit your report with some of your before/after impressions of your display. It would also help me to know the model. Thanks.
post #4928 of 5012
don't know if this has been asked before or not but can i use these slides for my gt30 tv? i can't seem to find the answer and theres too many pages to flip through to find it
post #4929 of 5012
post #4930 of 5012
No problem, thanks... it helps me troubleshoot!
post #4931 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

I have definitely noticed the PQ has changed for the worse. Much more grainy now, lots of dithering. I hope this is just the result of the SM settings being reset and can be fixed with proper adjustments because I loved my set before and I only did the A board swap as a "better safe than sorry" measure.

First rule is to write down all of the default cuts/drvs..second you should immediately stop going into the service menu, you can permanently brick your tv especially if you don't know what your doing and or don't have the proper knowledge/equipment to correct the problem. Call a certified calibrator to come and re-calibrate the system. Heck for the price your gonna pay someone to recalibrate it correctly you might as well buy a new tv..lol..blunt but very true! Good luck!
post #4932 of 5012
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Originally Posted by _thx1138_ View Post

First rule is to write down all of the default cuts/drvs..second you should immediately stop going into the service menu, you can permanently brick your tv especially if you don't know what your doing and or don't have the proper knowledge/equipment to correct the problem. Call a certified calibrator to come and re-calibrate the system. Heck for the price your gonna pay someone to recalibrate it correctly you might as well buy a new tv..lol..blunt but very true! Good luck!

im sure he appreciates the help, why be such a jerk, ive seen you post stuff like this many times.

why not try to help him instead, what he did should have worked. the techs are suppose to do this before the A board swap, but they usually dont, they dont know what the hell they are doing.

so a question if i have my A board swapped are DRV and CUTS the only things i have to copy or are there more settings to write down?

thanks
post #4933 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post


im sure he appreciates the help, why be such a jerk, ive seen you post stuff like this many times.

why not try to help him instead, what he did should have worked. the techs are suppose to do this before the A board swap, but they usually dont, they dont know what the hell they are doing.

so a question if i have my A board swapped are DRV and CUTS the only things i have to copy or are there more settings to write down?

thanks

Funny..take some of your own advice and let your tech know before he swipes the board to do his job right..it is in the end your "right" to solicit the proper service and if a tech does not know how to do it kickem out your house and request one who is competent in doing the work the correct way! Maybe you should read the thread a bit start from page 1 for instance..that way you learn something..instead of having everyone else figure it out you mess ups (for lack of a better word) for you...if not you may be shopping as well on Black Friday along with you buddy for a new tv...
post #4934 of 5012
Thanks D-Nice.

I'm expecting a 50G25 to arrive sometime next week. You've had the S2 for a little bit (Couple of week?!). When do you expect to get your hands on a G2X?

Look forward to reading your thoughts/impressions...

post #4935 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

im sure he appreciates the help, why be such a jerk, ive seen you post stuff like this many times.

why not try to help him instead, what he did should have worked. the techs are suppose to do this before the A board swap, but they usually dont, they dont know what the hell they are doing.

so a question if i have my A board swapped are DRV and CUTS the only things i have to copy or are there more settings to write down?

thanks

cuts and drives are the only ones not recoverable.
meaning, all other info is user menu settings.
TV tuner memory, input names, all the modes configuration.

I have used the utility
many many times transferring the backups to the PC and cleared the mem card.
I never had a problem restoring a back up.
post #4936 of 5012
Hi. I am using DNice's settings with year-old firmware (3.0 or something - def. not the 3.5). I haven't been in this thread for quite a while, but I just checked back to see if it's safe to update the firmware to 3.7x. It seems from some relatively recent posts that it is OK and won't void DNice's offsets, but I'd just like if someone could confirm that I don't need to un-offset everything in order to upgrade (and then just go without any custom offsets.)

So the question is - will a firmware upgrade today void DNice's offsets?
post #4937 of 5012
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalWldLif View Post

cuts and drives are the only ones not recoverable.
meaning, all other info is user menu settings.
TV tuner memory, input names, all the modes configuration.

I have used the utility
many many times transferring the backups to the PC and cleared the mem card.
I never had a problem restoring a back up.

thanks man, i have another question related to this. would the SD card boardreplace settings overwrite the PDP EEP changes in the new Aboard, i notice in the files that it has eeprom stuff in them? the new Aboard fixes the FBr problem with the 2011 models.

im not really concerned about it as you said i just need to copy the drv and cuts.. thank you for the help.
post #4938 of 5012
Does anyone know of a really good calibrator in the Los Angeles area? I am looking for someone that can bring out the best in my 65VT30...
post #4939 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

thanks man, i have another question related to this. would the SD card boardreplace settings overwrite the PDP EEP changes in the new Aboard, i notice in the files that it has eeprom stuff in them? the new Aboard fixes the FBr problem with the 2011 models.

im not really concerned about it as you said i just need to copy the drv and cuts.. thank you for the help.

the only changes in A board I know of are the change in voltage increases. Summed up as early and late
releases. Original TVs had a reported quick rise in volts with a major loss of mll. The company stated late models would have a "slower" "less abrupt"
algorithm to adjust voltage increases.
There was no reported fix or change to the floating blacks.
I do not know if a backup of and early A board would cause trouble when restoring to a late one.
As far as "updates",
my first A backup was out of the box. later ones were after updating to 3.5
I can say the early backups before 3.5 do not affect anything when restored back to
the TV.
post #4940 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Great so now you're saying that by using the SD method I could potentially wipe out the changes that the A board swap made?? Of course, I deleted the post A board swap files instead of storing them because I figured as long as I got the old settings back on the TV I was golden...crap...

no you can not change the FIRMWARE differences. The difference is the point in hours that a volt increase occurs. This is hard coded and not
affected by the A board utility.

Since you had trouble
reloading the saved settings, I wondered if the A board you got was a different series
(early, late) has kept you from restoring.

I did not believe it would, just have not been able to test. I have a "late" and never changed it out to a early so I have no personal knowledge. I do not believe it effects anything in the process. Because you had difficulty, I took it into consideration.

Since you were able to finally restore settings my belief is justified.

I am glad you found the problem and got back the proper gray scale, Cuts and drives. The user settings were just gravy.

As far as the volt increases, the "hours"
counter is not affected by the A board restore.
If I understand the volt increase process,
it is strictly controlled by the hours on the set.

so how does the TV look?
post #4941 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Looks good. I checked my hours counter and it reset back to zero after the a board swap.

good to know.
I was wrong then.

So is there a noticeable black level change?

How many hours did you have before the new board went to 0?

I have about 2400hrs and miss the less than 600hours level of black mll.
post #4942 of 5012
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Originally Posted by CalWldLif View Post

good to know.
I was wrong then.

So is there a noticeable black level change?

How many hours did you have before the new board went to 0?

I have about 2400hrs and miss the less than 600hours level of black mll.

he actually has a 2011 model, the A board fixes the FBr. i think he just found the SD card restore settings trick here.
post #4943 of 5012
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

I haven't noticed a black level change yet but I haven't watched any reference material since the swap.

I had 1800+ hours before the new board.



Actually, it was more like I found it a while ago, finally decided to go through with it, encountered an unforseen problem, and finally found a solution.

sorry bout that i thought you had a 2011.
post #4944 of 5012
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

I haven't noticed a black level change yet but I haven't watched any reference material since the swap.

I had 1800+ hours before the new board.



Actually, it was more like I found it a while ago, finally decided to go through with it, encountered an unforseen problem, and finally found a solution.

To be clear, you have a VT25 series and you have brightness/blackness
shifts?
At @ 1800 hrs I started getting what I guess is floating blacks. I thought I was lucky about them because until 1800hrs,
I never noticed them.
Only happens in a scene with a lot of black areas, different areas of the screen kinds get "cloudy"/brighter.
different areas and not the entire screen.
I do see the black bars
fluctuate when a non full screen pic is shown.
Is that why you got an A board?
Did Panny pay?
post #4945 of 5012
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

sorry bout that i thought you had a 2011.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CalWldLif View Post

To be clear, you have a VT25 series and you have brightness/blackness
shifts?
At @ 1800 hrs I started getting what I guess is floating blacks. I thought I was lucky about them because until 1800hrs,
I never noticed them.
Only happens in a scene with a lot of black areas, different areas of the screen kinds get "cloudy"/brighter.
different areas and not the entire screen.
I do see the black bars
fluctuate when a non full screen pic is shown.
Is that why you got an A board?
Did Panny pay?

Hahahaha! I just realized I'm in the wrong forum! So sorry guys, I have a 2011 ST30...I'll be cleaning up my mess and leaving now.
post #4946 of 5012
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalWldLif View Post

To be clear, you have a VT25 series and you have brightness/blackness
shifts?
At @ 1800 hrs I started getting what I guess is floating blacks. I thought I was lucky about them because until 1800hrs,
I never noticed them.
Only happens in a scene with a lot of black areas, different areas of the screen kinds get "cloudy"/brighter.
different areas and not the entire screen.
I do see the black bars
fluctuate when a non full screen pic is shown.
Is that why you got an A board?
Did Panny pay?

CalWldLif, I am in the same boat as you and others in the forums, I have a TC-P58S2 which is now exactly a year old and I too never noticed floating blacks on my set initially; believe me if they were there when I bought it I would have returned it then. About a month ago I also started to notice the black level shift in certian scenes, even more noticible with low ambient light. I have not gone into the service menu to check the hours on my plasma but I am willing to bet that this has something to do with when the black level rise occurs on these sets which triggers it.

Maybe a pro calibrator or other knowleadgeable person could chime in here and comment as to wheter they believe the rising black level and floating blacks are related to one another?

If my assumptions are true, I am concerned that it will becom more apparent as the black level continues to rise.

What really sucks is that there is no fix available for this rather bothersome issue.
post #4947 of 5012
So, can I safely do a firmware update on my TCP65S2 without screwing things up since I have utilized the DNice settings? How many firmware updates have there been and have they provided any substantive changes? I love my picture post DNice settings and definitely don't want to screw anything up!
post #4948 of 5012
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Originally Posted by guida74 View Post

CalWldLif, I am in the same boat as you and others in the forums, I have a TC-P58S2 which is now exactly a year old and I too never noticed floating blacks on my set initially; believe me if they were there when I bought it I would have returned it then. About a month ago I also started to notice the black level shift in certian scenes, even more noticible with low ambient light. I have not gone into the service menu to check the hours on my plasma but I am willing to bet that this has something to do with when the black level rise occurs on these sets which triggers it.

Maybe a pro calibrator or other knowleadgeable person could chime in here and comment as to wheter they believe the rising black level and floating blacks are related to one another?

If my assumptions are true, I am concerned that it will becom more apparent as the black level continues to rise.

What really sucks is that there is no fix available for this rather bothersome issue.

yes, After a black rise
I noticed the floating
issue.
Sucks, there is no info about fixes. Some use the led trick on the light sensor. Explained
in this thread I believe.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hockman4357 View Post

So, can I safely do a firmware update on my TCP65S2 without screwing things up since I have utilized the DNice settings? How many firmware updates have there been and have they provided any substantive changes? I love my picture post DNice settings and definitely don't want to screw anything up!

I can say on the VT series, no noticeable changes. I have all the updates installed
and did not see any
changes.
post #4949 of 5012
When utilizing the D-Nice settings, on which models can one safely do firmware updates? I think that this would be very useful information for all.
post #4950 of 5012
Wow this thread grew.
I started out with a G10, following the saga on this forum, and returned that set because of suspected rising black levels. Later found to be true, and cnet even re-reviewed, AND revised their view of that model. Glad I returned it.
Waited for the G20 to arrive on shelves, purchased, and started break-in. Big buzz, and exchanged for replacement G20. Preformed the D-nice break-in again, installed the settings, and this set looks amazing. Have not had any issues.
I skimmed through a lot of the info I missed being away on this thread, and the G20 still appears to have very little "big concerns".
Have I missed anything?
Thanks to everybody doing the tech work, and giving me a great picture!
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