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Originally Posted by scoobdude View Post

PCD: some movies are filmed in a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Nothing you can do about it. Might be able to zoom in. But important thing to watch is the resolution. If it states its at 1920 by 1080 then you are getting full resolution. Do you have any other BDs to test?

On to the 24Hz thing. The output from the player is 24 and that is what the TV is receiving, but it is not what the TV is putting out. It converts it to a 3:2 pull down.

Hope that helps and someone please correct me if I was wrong here.

Although Scoobdude is correct about the C550's handling of 24Hz input signals... But, you mentioned that you have a G1, it could be different.

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Originally Posted by PCD View Post

EDIT: I should mention a few other strange things....I have PIP mode available....also, as soon as I did the Blu Ray it said 24FPS on screen which I found intersting....I thought you had to turn the 550 into a 590 to enable that stuff...my actual model number is PN50 PL C550G1

With the above reaction to the 24Hz signal, you might indeed have Cinema Smooth (CS) active on your set.
post #2582 of 2793
Just got back from swapping my HD cable box, (HDMI port was wonky) along with an upgrade to the highest Rogers offers, re: Internet. Speeds not bad (25mb down/1mb up), but I did it mainly to increase the cap. Up to 150GB a month now which is still anemic, but its the best I can get on residential.

For you non Canucks reading...Rogers wants to crush the recently launched Netflix up here to protect thier on demand services..., best way to do it was impose lower caps on us peons. Netflix has countered with a lower bandwidth option, but I wouldnt want to stream that on a large panel thanks.

Point is I havent had much time to play around today, and now I'm missing one of my HDMI cables so I suspect I gave it to Rogers in the bag with all the other stuff, so I'm going back to get it.

I will read the thread again and figure out how to test if CS is on when Im feeding the TV a Blu Ray, I know I saw it more than once.

Frost, that would be a startling effect, but I'm in middle of a "parting of the ways" with S.O., gave her the house and I bought a condo, so not too many friends coming over at the moment! The strip lights are a good idea and I did see that somewhere here, possibly in this thread. Thanks for mentioning it, and I do have Frozen.

Will report back.
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Originally Posted by PCD View Post

Just got back from swapping my HD cable box, (HDMI port was wonky) along with an upgrade to the highest Rogers offers, re: Internet. Speeds not bad (25mb down/1mb up), but I did it mainly to increase the cap. Up to 150GB a month now which is still anemic, but its the best I can get on residential.

For you non Canucks reading...Rogers wants to crush the recently launched Netflix up here to protect thier on demand services..., best way to do it was impose lower caps on us peons. Netflix has countered with a lower bandwidth option, but I wouldnt want to stream that on a large panel thanks.

Point is I havent had much time to play around today, and now I'm missing one of my HDMI cables so I suspect I gave it to Rogers in the bag with all the other stuff, so I'm going back to get it.

I will read the thread again and figure out how to test if CS is on when Im feeding the TV a Blu Ray, I know I saw it more than once.

Frost, that would be a startling effect, but I'm in middle of a "parting of the ways" with S.O., gave her the house and I bought a condo, so not too many friends coming over at the moment! The strip lights are a good idea and I did see that somewhere here, possibly in this thread. Thanks for mentioning it, and I do have Frozen.

Will report back.

Rogers and TELUS for that matter don't like anybody using their internet service to obtain video material that competes with any service they offer!

Regarding Cinema Smooth: If you have CS and if you are feeding the set a 1080p 24Hz HDMI signal then you can check that the set can enter Cinema Smooth by going here...

MENU --> Picture --> Picture Options --> "Enter"

then select "Film Mode" under that selection you should be able to see the following choices; Off/Auto 1/Auto2/Cinema Smooth
post #2584 of 2793
HDMI BLACK LEVELS
FILM MODE

I have both there, but greyed out???

Quick qestion? How do I stop the set from telling me there is no cable signal upon statup? I have no 75ohm screwed in to the connector, I am using HDMI directly from the Digital Video box to HDMI port 2.

Thanks

EDIT: Speeling
post #2585 of 2793
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Originally Posted by PCD View Post

HDMI BLACK LEVELS
FILM MODE

I have both there, but greyed out???

Quick qestion? How do I stop the set from telling me there is no cable signal upon statup? I have no 75ohm screwed in to the connector, I am using HDMI directly from the Digital Video box to HDMI port 2.

Thanks

EDIT: Speeling

Greyed out: 1)besides meaning the option is not available, 2)also indicates the signal required to make use of that option is not present.

Hmmm, I don't have any antenna signal either, but the Bell system alway is sending something out on HDMI possibly preventing the TV from defaulting to the antenna connection.

You could try either shutting down while on the last active HDMI input or, if you turn on the Digital Video box first maybe the TV will find the active signal rather then antenna.
post #2586 of 2793
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Originally Posted by Al Sherwood View Post

Greyed out: 1)besides meaning the option is not available, 2)also indicates the signal required to make use of that option is not present.

Hmmm, I don't have any antenna signal either, but the Bell system alway is sending something out on HDMI possibly preventing the TV from defaulting to the antenna connection.

You could try either shutting down while on the last active HDMI input or, if you turn on the Digital Video box first maybe the TV will find the active signal rather then antenna.

Hey Al
Upon starting the Samsung BD-D5300 player, the set immediatly displays 1920 x 1080 signal, 24Mhz....every time. So, now the question is : Why would they put those settings there in the first place if they are disabled? Makes no sense.

I might have something else enabled which precludes those settings from being enabled. I also "swear" I saw the soap opera effect a few times last evening, but it was my first time playing with it, so who knows.

Just cant get over the quality of this set, really. I can find NO flaw, now that being said, I may not even know a flaw if I see it, but there is certainly no buzzing, I can see shadow detail perfectly, no green specs floating around if I shove my nose to the screen, and I know the $500.00 wooden volume knob-$1000 a foot cable type folks will laugh at me, but the built in 15w speakers are really good (for what they are).

No Wally World in Ontario has any left and Im so very glad I stumbled on this forum.

Since Im in a Condo now we can forget about a high end receiver, but thats why I have the Sennheiser's , and the built in speakers cover the rest for now.

The digital cable picture with my new box is stunning (for cable)...I um, sort of, cough, "accidently" got in to the box's tech menu (looks like its running nix btw) and signal strength is great. Im at -0.0dBmV or so, with a SNR of 30 something IIRC.

Anyway, now its running perfectly, I guess its time to screw it up by playing around. I know just enough now to be a danger to myself .
post #2587 of 2793
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Originally Posted by PCD View Post

Hey Al
Upon starting the Samsung BD-D5300 player, the set immediatly displays 1920 x 1080 signal, 24Mhz....every time. So, now the question is : Why would they put those settings there in the first place if they are disabled? Makes no sense.

I might have something else enabled which precludes those settings from being enabled. I also "swear" I saw the soap opera effect a few times last evening, but it was my first time playing with it, so who knows.

Just cant get over the quality of this set, really. I can find NO flaw, now that being said, I may not even know a flaw if I see it, but there is certainly no buzzing, I can see shadow detail perfectly, no green specs floating around if I shove my nose to the screen, and I know the $500.00 wooden volume knob-$1000 a foot cable type folks will laugh at me, but the built in 15w speakers are really good (for what they are).

No Wally World in Ontario has any left and Im so very glad I stumbled on this forum.

Since Im in a Condo now we can forget about a high end receiver, but thats why I have the Sennheiser's , and the built in speakers cover the rest for now.

The digital cable picture with my new box is stunning (for cable)...I um, sort of, cough, "accidently" got in to the box's tech menu (looks like its running nix btw) and signal strength is great. Im at -0.0dBmV or so, with a SNR of 30 something IIRC.

Anyway, now its running perfectly, I guess its time to screw it up by playing around. I know just enough now to be a danger to myself .

Yes, I have not yet found a fault with mine either!

The information that appears on the TV screen when it recognizes the source is not the refresh rate that the TV is using to lay that signal back, it is only report what is being applied. Since you mention that the Cinema Smooth was greyed out(?), I would say the CS is not enabled on your set. But having said that, if it is important you could always do the SM upgrade...

As for the 'soap opera' effect, I don't beleive that that affect a plasma set, only LCD sets. Maybe you saw some other artifact?
post #2588 of 2793
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Originally Posted by Al Sherwood View Post

Yes, I have not yet found a fault with mine either!

The information that appears on the TV screen when it recognizes the source is not the refresh rate that the TV is using to lay that signal back, it is only report what is being applied. Since you mention that the Cinema Smooth was greyed out(?), I would say the CS is not enabled on your set. But having said that, if it is important you could always do the SM upgrade...

As for the 'soap opera' effect, I don't beleive that that affect a plasma set, only LCD sets. Maybe you saw some other artifact?

Yes, it could have been the "Molson Effect" as well......

I understand about the refresh rate, but that only proves the BD player is pushing that signal to the TV as you say.

Im not going to futz with it, made up my mind already. I have no need to turn it into a 590 although I love doing stuff like that just because I can.

I would want a copy of the original firmware so I could roll back first, and Im sure I could find it, but enough...Im just going to enjoy it.

Im almost afraid to start in on the other threads on here...this set is "old" last years tech, if I start reading about the the latest and greatest I'll end up going nuts.

Is Plasma on the way out by the way? If so, Im glad I got mine. I only mention it because Tiger Direct is only showing like 3 Plasma's online, out of 100's of sets....

Im watching Speed on HD cable and its stunning. When the commentator comes on (black suit) the set shows many different shades of black where the studio lights are hitting him, then black shadows, then I can see other things in the lighter shadows....room is semi dark atm and I couldnt be happier.

I better stop before I get accused of being a Sammy shill, lol.

Thanks for your help Al (and Frost)...Pete out for now.
post #2589 of 2793
I have to tell CS to activate every time I play a 24p source. My wife gets annoyed me going into the menu when the movie first starts.
post #2590 of 2793
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I have to tell CS to activate every time I play a 24p source. My wife gets annoyed me going into the menu when the movie first starts.

Thanks...would you mind telling me the steps you take please?

AL: Nice tip on turning off the set with the source you want to start next time still running.....works perfectly...starts up on HDMI 2 (Digital Cable via HDMI) every time...Thanks!!!

Pete
post #2591 of 2793
The process for turning on CS is what I posted earlier, if CS is available on your set "Cinema Smooth" will not be greyed out given the previously mentioned prequisites. I am sure your TV model doesn't have CS.

That's great regarding the input selection at start up, I know it bothered me until I found the trick.

Plasma dead?, I don't think so, in fact my local Costco has a rackful of your exact model.
post #2592 of 2793
I have trucks going out to BC all the time....53' trailers.....we are not supposed to discuss price, but if you msg me off the board with Costco price, I may purchase 4 or 5. If the money is right, they would make spectacular X-Mas gifts.

Thanks again, and I'll worry about CS some other time...I'm far too pleased to mess with it much more.

Pete
post #2593 of 2793
IKEA LIGHTS: They have new ones where it has a color wheel you can adjust to get closer to the right temperature plus no more holding down the button and waiting for beeps They are the same price and the same name just a different sku. Here is the link http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50192365 I run 2 strips on each side. They double as a night light for the kids

For the speakers, if you use standard and play with the eq and turn all the other features on (voice enhancer, virtual surround etc) and with that I find they are quite passable. If i switch it to another sound mode it sounds tinny or lacking and you canoot adjust the eq. You being from car audio should know how to adjust these to your liking

Enjoy your new set
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Those lights are the ones i was referring to, Scoob - nice effect and very easy on the eyes!
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could someone please tell me what the "SM upgrade " means regarding the 550 series. thanks
post #2596 of 2793
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Originally Posted by rsnyder005 View Post

could someone please tell me what the "SM upgrade " means regarding the 550 series. thanks

Hi,

SM stands for Service Menu. Go to Al Sherwood's #866 and you will find the necessary steps and explanation for the procedure of converting a 550 into a 590.
post #2597 of 2793
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Originally Posted by scoobdude View Post

IKEA LIGHTS: They have new ones where it has a color wheel you can adjust to get closer to the right temperature plus no more holding down the button and waiting for beeps They are the same price and the same name just a different sku. Here is the link http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50192365 I run 2 strips on each side. They double as a night light for the kids

For the speakers, if you use standard and play with the eq and turn all the other features on (voice enhancer, virtual surround etc) and with that I find they are quite passable. If i switch it to another sound mode it sounds tinny or lacking and you canoot adjust the eq. You being from car audio should know how to adjust these to your liking

Enjoy your new set

Was looking at the lights today, not the exact ones you mentioned, but similar. Both Canadian Tire and Home Hardware carry them.

Afraid I wont be using the built in audio any more.....Kids gave me a couple hundred bucks in BB gift cards yesterday for B/Day. BB had a cheapie Samsung AV reciever / speakers on sale so I threw in a few bucks on top of the gift cards and bought it. HW-C560S is model number...very low end, but for a condo, meh...it'll do.

Its small enough that I shouldnt be disturbing anyone at moderate volume, and of course I can throw on the cans as well.

I also THOUGHT I saw free streaming Pandora app on the BD player, but maybe that was US Only in which case I'll just use a proxy to fool em.
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thanks, Ron
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I'm setting up this TV for my father and have noticed that it doesn't automatically adjust the picture size according to source.

For example, if we tune an HD channel and set the P.Size to "16:9", it looks great. But if we switch to a standard non-HD channel, we have to toggle the P.Size to "WideZoom" in order to fill the screen. Then, if switching back to the HD channel, the TV won't automatically adjust the size back to "16:9".

Is there a way for the TV to remember the proper aspect for each type of source (480i vs 720p)? It's a pain having to manually adjust it each time. We have it connected to a Motorola DCX3400 DVR via HDMI to port 1.
post #2600 of 2793
You should leave it on screen fit. Or 16:9 would be second choice. On SD you should have black bars on the side. The tv is just smart. Anything else is just distorting the pic, or clipping off info from the top and bottom.

Don't worry about it burning in with the bars.
post #2601 of 2793
I'll echo what tuxedocivic says. View each source in its native aspect ratio for the best viewing experience.
post #2602 of 2793
Some HD channels still show 480 stuff which has the bars but the signal is read as HD since that is what the station sent it as. I think the TV has one setting for 720 and 1080 and another setting for 480. Hope that helps
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Originally Posted by SithLord View Post

I'm setting up this TV for my father and have noticed that it doesn't automatically adjust the picture size according to source.

For example, if we tune an HD channel and set the P.Size to "16:9", it looks great. But if we switch to a standard non-HD channel, we have to toggle the P.Size to "WideZoom" in order to fill the screen. Then, if switching back to the HD channel, the TV won't automatically adjust the size back to "16:9".

Is there a way for the TV to remember the proper aspect for each type of source (480i vs 720p)? It's a pain having to manually adjust it each time. We have it connected to a Motorola DCX3400 DVR via HDMI to port 1.

Im going to mention something and I hope you dont take offence, but it MAY be possible the SD channels (say on the lower end of the channel list) are being broadcast in HD further up the scale, thus you would have no reason to watch the SD stuff.

My cable provider, Rogers Cable does this for some reason...lets say channel 13 is SD....if I go up to 513 it is in HD. Now probably this isnt true for all channels, but I really cant remember the last time I watched an SD broadcast.

I'm pretty new at this, so the only other thing I can say is my set does exactly the same thing (during commercials for example) with a HD feed.
post #2604 of 2793
Too true, PCD. Up here in Roger-Dodgerland there is far too much duplication of channels and "bundling" of services. Weren't we supposed to only pay for the channels we wanted in this brave new digital world? Being able to pick and choose on a per channel basis what we watched and at what signal?

They make a large deal out of offering hundreds of channels, when in fact the actual number of choices is less than that figure. And isn't their bundling of channels a real box of chocolates? I sure am glad that in order to get the GOLF or SPEED channel in HD, I also have to pay for - subsidize - ones that will never see their channel number punched in from my remote.

Sad to say, most of those are only there to satisfy the % of Canadian content we have rammed down our irises.

Sorry for the rant and definitely off-topic! Now back to the PNxxC5xx info!
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Is there any way of getting rid of burn in? The NBA 2k11 score has burnt in at the bottom right corner...I can see the outlines of where the score would be when the screen is black and kind of make it out when it is really white.

Currently I'm running the screen rolling for about 1 hour but it doesn't seem to have gone away. I've been playing on game mode the entire time and I have pixel shift enabled the whole time too.

Any help?
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I appreciate the responses but I'm not sure everyone understands what I mean. I understand that when watching an HD broadcast some of the commercials and shows will still have black bars. The signal is still coming through as 720p, which is fine.

But when we switch to a non-HD channel (480), we want the picture to adjust to a wide-zoom setting to fill the screen. My other set (not a Samsung) does this as it "remembers" the preferred setting for each type of signal. I was just wondering if this set has that feature and we just need to dig for it or if it had something to do with HDMI vs Component, etc.

Although our provider does have most of the traditional channels in HD, it is still missing a few of the popular digital specialty channels (like Space and Teletoon), and there are a few local channels that are still only in SD for now.

So basically, this is what I was looking for:

Tune HD (720p) channel --> TV adjusts to "16:9" P.Size
Tune SD (480p) channel --> TV adjusts to "Wide-Zoom" P.Size
post #2607 of 2793
Hopefully this is an Image Retention issue. Try scrolling 4-8 hours, if needed. Let us know if that worked.

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Originally Posted by utsmaster18 View Post

Is there any way of getting rid of burn in? The NBA 2k11 score has burnt in at the bottom right corner...I can see the outlines of where the score would be when the screen is black and kind of make it out when it is really white.

Currently I'm running the screen rolling for about 1 hour but it doesn't seem to have gone away. I've been playing on game mode the entire time and I have pixel shift enabled the whole time too.

Any help?
post #2608 of 2793
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Originally Posted by SithLord View Post

I appreciate the responses but I'm not sure everyone understands what I mean. I understand that when watching an HD broadcast some of the commercials and shows will still have black bars. The signal is still coming through as 720p, which is fine.

But when we switch to a non-HD channel (480), we want the picture to adjust to a wide-zoom setting to fill the screen. My other set (not a Samsung) does this as it "remembers" the preferred setting for each type of signal. I was just wondering if this set has that feature and we just need to dig for it or if it had something to do with HDMI vs Component, etc.

Although our provider does have most of the traditional channels in HD, it is still missing a few of the popular digital specialty channels (like Space and Teletoon), and there are a few local channels that are still only in SD for now.

So basically, this is what I was looking for:

Tune HD (720p) channel --> TV adjusts to "16:9" P.Size
Tune SD (480p) channel --> TV adjusts to "Wide-Zoom" P.Size

Just leave it on "SCREEN FIT" and call it a day. Never ever use Zoom on a flat panel. Horrible, horrible picture. and 16:9 is cutting about 2.5% of the picture. SCREEN FIT FTW
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I was having a problem streaming photos last night. I have my photos stored on a Western Digital MyBook World Edition NAS running TwonkyServer 6.0.32. I could happily find the photos in the various folders using my Samsung TV and then view the contents of a folder as a slide show. However, after about ten minutes, the TV would turn itself off and then back on (apparently rebooting itself). After the TV "reboot", I would have to wait a minute or two for the Samsung TV to find the network again, but other than that, everything would work happily for another ten minutes or so until the next "reboot".

Has anyone else experienced a problem like this? The photos were pretty standard snapshots and not particularly large (typically 2048 x 1536 pixels), so they were well within the TV's capability. Also, there were fewer than 200 photos in a given folder, so that should not have been an issue.

I suppose there could be an issue with TwonkyServer, but I'm hard pressed to imagine what TwonkyServer could be doing to cause a reboot. For what it's worth, I am able to stream MP3s from the NAS to the TV using TwonkyServer for hours at a time with no problems.
post #2610 of 2793
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Originally Posted by jhachey View Post

I was having a problem streaming photos last night. I have my photos stored on a Western Digital MyBook World Edition NAS running TwonkyServer 6.0.32. I could happily find the photos in the various folders using my Samsung TV and then view the contents of a folder as a slide show. However, after about ten minutes, the TV would turn itself off and then back on (apparently rebooting itself). After the TV "reboot", I would have to wait a minute or two for the Samsung TV to find the network again, but other than that, everything would work happily for another ten minutes or so until the next "reboot".

Has anyone else experienced a problem like this? The photos were pretty standard snapshots and not particularly large (typically 2048 x 1536 pixels), so they were well within the TV's capability. Also, there were fewer than 200 photos in a given folder, so that should not have been an issue.

I suppose there could be an issue with TwonkyServer, but I'm hard pressed to imagine what TwonkyServer could be doing to cause a reboot. For what it's worth, I am able to stream MP3s from the NAS to the TV using TwonkyServer for hours at a time with no problems.

I had a similiar problem with a hidden plugged directly in. Also had an issue where backing out of a movie or something that was streamed over would make me lose the picture for all sources. So I had to reboot it myself
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