Pioneer vsx-1020 and vsx-1120 - Page 5

Amazon list the following for the vsx-1020-k
# Product Dimensions: 14.9 x 16.6 x 6.2 inches ; 27.3 pounds
# Shipping Weight: 27.3 pound
The product manual for the vsx-1020-k lists the weight without packaging at 22 lbs 8 oz.

The Amazon information on the vsx-1120-k is as follows
# Product Dimensions: 17.1 x 16.6 x 6.8 inches ; 28.8 pounds
# Shipping Weight: 28.8 pounds
Thus the weight on the vsx-1120-k should approximately be about 24 lbs.

Do you think that the 120X7 watts per channel power rating the for vsx-1120-k is fairly accurate like the elite vsx-23thx or drastically overblown like the non-elite vsx-1019ah-k given its weight is likely to be about 24 pounds?

I don't want to wait until June for the vsx-1120-k at $750 if its power rating is overblown when I can get the vsx-9140thx for $675 now and get the power I need to run my 5.1 speaker system.

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if i had to guess, no, it won't put out it's rated power with all 7 channels driven... i would guess, like almost every other avr in it's price range, it's limited by it's power supply... and even the ones in this price range that do put out their rated power won't do so for very long without going into thermal overload...

that being said, unless you attempting to send a sine wave at max volume to all 5/7 speakers at the same time, it's unlikely to make any difference...

Since all we have to go on is their literature and not actual lab testing, the description reads:

for the 1120 - I20 Watts x 7 – (20Hz – 20kHz @ 8 ohm w/ .08%THD)

for the 1020 - 110 Watts X 7 (no freq. range or load testing noted).

Just my opinion, but it looks like the 1020 is following the 1019's lead and the power rating is probably at 1KHz for a single load @ 8 ohm.

The 1120 looks more like the amplification for an Elite, with all 7 loads driven over the entire frequency range. Again, you can play all sorts of games with these numbers (and AVR companies seem to do so with abandon), but I own a 1019, with a full Energy speaker setup (8 ohm, 89-92 db efficiency) and have had no problem with all sorts of media at more than acceptable volume levels. I haven't taken it to reference, cutting off at a survivable -15 as my highest.

I am waiting to get an 1120 for several features that I would really like, since I am setting up a "better" system for another area. I like, for example - the full management of iPod media, the 9.1 configuration, and pre-outs just in case I buy some fronts or a center that are starved for power. I'll buy that because of the great experience I've had with the 1019, despite the 1019's power being more in the 50-70 Watts (some say 30). It's been a real winner in my view.

Should get detailed PDF's soon I was told and will post as soon as I have

Page 127 of the 1020 manual gives: "Continuous average power output of 80 watts* per channel, min., at 8 ohms, from 20 Hz to 20 000 Hz with no more than 0.08 %** total harmonic distortion.
Front (stereo) ............... 80W + 80W"
and so on.

Is the 1120 likely to be available in April or is it just the 1020?

Pioneer's site says June and May respectively.............

That's actually pretty good if true, the 1019 was found to go up to 30+ Watts under (I think) 1% THD. I'm still leaning towards the 1120, but definitely the more info the better.

Hi all, please forgive a probably simple question from a non-expert....

I am thinking about purchasing the 1020 (i currently don't own an AVR). I'd like to be able to play music not only in my basement (HD TV is there as well), but I'd like to send music to the deck and my garage. By looking at the manual, I see I can send the B speaker output to the deck - without the main room speakers playing. I could also use the multi-zone to send output to the garage (I'll only need a 3.1 or 5.1 setup in the basement), but my question is - it appears that I would have to have the music also playing in the basement at the same time, correct? If possible I'd like to have the garage on but not have it playing inside. I'm assuming I'd have to have a switch set up (going to the deck and garage) coming out of the B speakers to pull this off.

Thanks for the advice!

Probably someone with the 1019 could tell you better, but it appears to me from looking though the manual that the mute control works independently for the main speakers and for zone 2. So you could mute the mains and unmute then adjust the volumes for your zone 2 speakers.

thanks greg.... if i'm reading this correctly (from the 1020 manual) I think you're right.

4 When Speaker System is set to ZONE 2,
use the MASTER VOLUME dial to adjust the
volume for the sub zone. 4

4 The volume levels of the main and sub zone are independent.

I'm also assuming that this does not cause a problem for any of the main speakers - to have them at '0' while the other zone is going???

The separate zones seem to work like the 1019's, with some improvements.

The height or "side" speakers can be set to speaker B, you can also have zone 2 set up through the zone 2 connections.

The 1019 can have either 'B' speaker set up, or a zone 2 setup, changed by configuration. I expect the same thing of the 1020; so if you set up the 'B' speakers to one area and zone 2 to the other, you may be able to send signals to either, by selecting one or the other, but I don't think both simultaneously.

As for the main area and 'B' or zone 2, you should be able to do this. You should be able to play one input to the main area, another to either 'B' or zone 2. You could easily just play music to one area or another if that's what you want.

The real question for me is that in the 1019, you can only play analog inputs to the secondary zone, I wonder if in the 1020 ths has been overcome, so I could play an HDMI connected source to the zone 2 outputs. Inquiring minds want to know.

Decent write-up on the 1120
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/r...-vsx-1120-k-fl

I'm interested in the 1020 as my next upgrade from stereo to multi channel receiver. Seems the question of HDMI passthrough isn't yet answered. Been looking for it in the manual on Pioneer's website. I found this:


The way I read this you can set your receiver on standby and still have the HDMI signals pass through. Correct? With control ON it has 0.3 Watts more power consumption.

I believe that is referencing the ability to control devices over HDMI and nothing to do with video or audio.

Nice writeup. But they didn't say anything about the amplification upgrade. I was under the impression that the 1120 had beefier (more Elite-like) amplification than the 1020. This is one the primary reasons I'm leaning towards it vs. the 1020. Guess we'll have to wait for some more detailed info to be released to be sure.

From the looks of it, it is beefy enough; this along with the presence of full pre-outs would let you step up to discrete amps if needed. Again, just speculating until one of these is actually here.

based on this from the 1020 manual http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0302.pdf- it looks like you can connect HDMI input to it, but you'd only get analog audio out (if i know what i'm talking about...)

MULTI-ZONE listening options
The following table shows the signals that can
be output to ZONE 2:
Sub Zone Input functions available
ZONE 2 DVD, TV/SAT, DVR/BDR, VIDEO,
INTERNET RADIO, iPod/USB, CD, CDR/
TAPE, TUNER, ADAPTER PORT,
SIRIUS
(Outputs analog audio and composite
video.)

I dont think having the "Control Setting" to On will do what you expect. I think this will Turn the Reciever On then pass the HDMI to the TV, Turn it on and have it select the correct input.

I want to pass HDMI from my DVR to the TV without the Receiver on. To do this I plan on splitting the DVR HDMI and connect 1 output directly to the TV and the second output to the Receiver. I will connect all my other sources to directly to the Receiver only. Now if I just want to watch some simple TV I would use HDMI1 on my TV, if I want to watch something with glorious surrond sound I select HDMI2 on the TV.

A sample of a splitter can be seen at:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I dont have this set up yet so I cant vouch for the quality.

Dave.

As someone else suggested, this is HDMI CEC control, not the function you want. What this would do is to turn the receiver on if you turned on another component with HDMI CEC enabled. The HDMI CEC in Pioneer is called "Kuro Link" by them, and has caused more problems than anything listed in the 1019 thread. I guess it could work if you only had pioneer components, but is unrealiable at best.

I don't think what you want is possible with this receiver; I know it's not possible with the 1019. There is a compromise - in this receiver, setting the mode to "THROUGH" from the HDMI section will let the signal go to the TV unprocessed. It still requires you to have the AVR on, though.

The best way to do what you want may be a splitter. I don't use one, just go with the full surround sound at all times, and rely on a Logitech Harmony One remote to make it easy to use for myself and my entire AV challenged clan. Years of using Harmony remotes makes it simple for anyone to use the AVR + components. To me, it's the best investment you can make if you have more than one component.

This may have already been posted but here is the official Pioneer LINK to the VSX-1120-K. Links are provided for the other new receivers also.

Still no user manual link in the support area though for the 1120.

I hope that Pioneer still releases a lower end elite for about $1000 to replace the VSX-23TXH.

It will be the perfect av receiver for me if it has all of the features of the vsx-1120-k and the following new features:

1. firmware upgradeable by ethernet
2. better power supply
3. hdmi passthrough
4. dlna certified
5. 5.1 channel inputs
6. xm input

I have equipment that I want to keep that needs features 5 and 6. Last year all of the elites had an xm input and the 5.1 channel inputs so I am hoping that they don't remove these features for the lower end elite this year.

As long as Pioneer still makes a lower end elite it will have a better power supply.

I am looking to retire a Marantz sr-5400 (no hdmi inputs), use a Yamaha RX-V863 on my second tv, and the new Pioneer lower end elite on my main setup.

I was going to get a Marantz sr-6004 for the new receiver but the pop of death issue has me looking to buy a Pioneer instead. I hope that I don't regret my decision to wait for the new elite models. It was tough to pass on buying a Pioneer vsx-9140txh for $675 but I should be able to get a decent deal on the lower end elite sometime before late Fall.

Hi all, I am looking at these 2 new models and am wondering if anyone knows about how the handle zone 2 support while using an external amp connected to the pre-amp outputs. Can I control the volume using the receiver or do I have to have a volume control on the external amp itself. I am looking more at the VSX-1120 but I looked on the VSX-1020 manual and it was not very clear if it has variable outputs or not.

Thanks - Chris

The 1020 does not have pre-outs for using an external amp, except of course for the sub. If I am interpreting the manual correctly, volume and mute work independently for different zones. I'd guess that will be true for the 1120, as well, and changing the volume control will change the amplitude of pre-outs, as that is how you generally expect pre-amps to work.

Anyone have information or a guess as to if the 1120 will be able to do 9.1 if using an amp for the height/wide speakers? Even though it has 9 binding posts, it only has 7 amp channels inside, and one has to choose between rear or height, even if you have all 9 speakers hooked up.

I'm hoping by adding external amps I can run with all 9 channels being processed at the same time.

Is it already known if the 1020 will overlay the volume bar when changing the main volume level ?

Greg, there is a zone 2 preamp output shown in the manual - it also has a video connection for zone 2. That's what I am referring to - is this a variable or fixed output.

You can see a picture on page 14 of the manual - it just is not very descriptive on what it is capable of.

Thanks, Chris

Right -- I didn't notice those pre-outs. They must be variable, since zone 2 output is controlled by the master volume control (look at p. 72 item 4 and footnote 4).

thanks for looking at it. I think you are right and was looking for some reinforcement. I am looking for a receiver that has the variable output like an Onkyo 807 or denon 3310 without the issues those guys seem to have. Now I guess I sit back and wait some more for a release like everyone else.

The quote above doesn't say anything about using HDMI for your zone 2. Those sub zone inputs (ZONE 2 DVD, TV/SAT, DVR/BDR, VIDEO, CD, CDR/ TAPE, TUNER, ADAPTER PORT,) should be existing as a separate analog input

IPOD/USB would be an exception for digital audio in - analog out and is in line with current generation of Pioneer receivers.

Not saying it can't accept digital in and output analog (but doubt it) just saying I don't see anything in your post to confirm either way

This is what is noted in the 1020 PDF:

The operations below can also be used on Pioneer Control with HDMI-compatible TVs.
When the receiver's volume is adjusted or the sound is muted, the volume status is
displayed on the TV's screen.

**HOWEVER** the kicker is the "Pioneer Control" part which seems to mean you have to use Kuro-Link to perform this feature which I believe requires a Kuro TV. Hopefully this isn't true because the OSD is one of the main reasons I lean toward the Onkyo, sigh.

*Excerpt about Pioneer Control*
With Pioneer devices, Control with HDMI functions are referred to as KURO LINK.
You cannot use this function with components that do not support the Control with HDMI.

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