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post #151 of 581
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Originally Posted by mosdmc View Post

*Excerpt about Pioneer Control*
With Pioneer devices, Control with HDMI functions are referred to as KURO LINK.
You cannot use this function with components that do not support the Control with HDMI.

The text seems a bit vague. Maybe they mean there are standard hdmi controls (across all brands) and Pioneer just happens to call it "kuro link".

I say this because my panasonic TV has "viera link" which supposedly only works with other "viera" panasonic stuff, but it has absolutely no problem controlling back and forth with my samsung blu-ray player.

It might just be a bunch of marketing BS to confuse you into buying only [insert brand here] products.
post #152 of 581
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Originally Posted by DaveHCYJ View Post

The text seems a bit vague. Maybe they mean there are standard hdmi controls (across all brands) and Pioneer just happens to call it "kuro link".

I say this because my panasonic TV has "viera link" which supposedly only works with other "viera" panasonic stuff, but it has absolutely no problem controlling back and forth with my samsung blu-ray player.

It might just be a bunch of marketing BS to confuse you into buying only [insert brand here] products.

it hasn't been in the past. Previous models work with Kuro and nothing else that I am aware off.....

Don't actually care about volume -- if it is to low I turn it up and if it is to high I turn it down..... every channel is different etc

more interesting is finding out what audio-format I have selected etc
post #153 of 581
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Originally Posted by DaveHCYJ View Post

The text seems a bit vague. Maybe they mean there are standard hdmi controls (across all brands) and Pioneer just happens to call it "kuro link".

I say this because my panasonic TV has "viera link" which supposedly only works with other "viera" panasonic stuff, but it has absolutely no problem controlling back and forth with my samsung blu-ray player.

It might just be a bunch of marketing BS to confuse you into buying only [insert brand here] products.

viera link and kuro link are both the same thing - different manufacturers' implementation of HDMI CEC. In an ideal world, they would work seamlessly, but since each implementation is different, they will kind of work together.
post #154 of 581
Any idea why this unit is on so limited on where it can be preordered from?
I am only really finding it on Amazon.
post #155 of 581
I placed my Amazon preorder on March 5th and just got my first email today stating that there is an unspecified delay and whether I still want this preorder.
post #156 of 581
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Originally Posted by parabola1024 View Post

I placed my Amazon preorder on March 5th and just got my first email today stating that there is an unspecified delay and whether I still want this preorder.

was that for the 1020 or the 1120?
post #157 of 581
i have recommended this receiver for my dad's setup. he has had a LRC set of martin logan electrostatics for about 15 years that are spec'd at 4 ohms and 89db sensitivity. he has always run them with mid-range receivers (mostly yamahas - can't remember the models) in a large family room but doesn't really crank the volume.

i have to image that the amp section in the 1120 is as strong or stronger as anything he has used in the past, but does anyone have experience with the 1019 and 4 ohm speakers for reference? i am sure he could add a three channel amp for the fronts, but he's trying to keep things simple.

thanks,
k
post #158 of 581
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Originally Posted by summit3907 View Post

was that for the 1020 or the 1120?

I think that email is just part of Amazon's automated system. I also got such an email after ordering the 1020 around Mar. 4 (and also I got one about an order for some lithium batteries).
post #159 of 581
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Originally Posted by summit3907 View Post

i have recommended this receiver for my dad's setup. he has had a LRC set of martin logan electrostatics for about 15 years that are spec'd at 4 ohms and 89db sensitivity. he has always run them with mid-range receivers (mostly yamahas - can't remember the models) in a large family room but doesn't really crank the volume.

i have to image that the amp section in the 1120 is as strong or stronger as anything he has used in the past, but does anyone have experience with the 1019 and 4 ohm speakers for reference? i am sure he could add a three channel amp for the fronts, but he's trying to keep things simple.

thanks,
k

The 1019 can only handle 6-8 ohm speakers. The 1120, though is different and has a better amp section; whether it can handle 4 ohm speakers, though I don't know. If it follows the 1019, then no, if it follows the Elites - I'm not sure.
post #160 of 581
I got an email from Pioneer:
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We would like you to know that we are now accepting
pre-orders for our New VSX-1020-K A/V Receiver. We
expect to ship out our first VSX-1020-K receivers the
week of April 19th.
post #161 of 581
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

I got an email from Pioneer:

I received the same email. I wonder if Amazon will ship at same time?
post #162 of 581
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Originally Posted by aeitingon View Post

I received the same email. I wonder if Amazon will ship at same time?

I'm not counting on it. The last thing I preordered from Amazon, I had to cancel and reorder when it was finally released, because it seemed the preorder never was going to be shipped. But maybe it will work better this time.
post #163 of 581
Hi all,

I just received this email from Pioneer....

We would like you to know that we are now accepting pre-orders for our New VSX-1020-K A/V Receiver. We expect to ship out our first VSX-1020-K receivers the week of April 19th.

Quantities are limited and orders will be filled in the order they are received. We are also offering free standard shipping for a limited time.

So be one of the first to own this new receiver.

Pioneerelectronics.com


Since they are selling it for $549, and free shipping, any reason why I should order it from somewhere else? Has anybody found cheaper? Amazon is $549 also, but maybe I'll get it sooner directly from Pioneer??
post #164 of 581
Pioneer charges sales tax (at least to Florida). Amazon does not.
post #165 of 581
hah! how could i forget about the tax man! looks like it worked out to be $35 in taxes if you go with pioneer.

Any thoughts on whether amazon would ship them out next week also? or, is there a delay with anybody besides pioneer?

thanks again!
post #166 of 581
assuming amazon gets them in stock on release date...

i'd actually bet amazon gets it to you faster than pioneer does... amazon fulfills orders for a living... pioneer doesn't...

ymmv...
post #167 of 581
The new Onkyo’s are 1.4a compliant even though not advertised as such:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/2010/04/on...-new-receivers

Has anyone seen anything clarifying whether the pioneer 1020 and 1120 are 1.4a compliant (vs just 1.4)?
post #168 of 581
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Originally Posted by MoviesLover View Post

Has anyone seen anything clarifying whether the pioneer 1020 and 1120 are 1.4a compliant (vs just 1.4)?

I got email from Pioneer saying the 1020 and all 2010 models will support HDMI 1.4a.
post #169 of 581
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Originally Posted by summit3907 View Post

i have recommended this receiver for my dad's setup. he has had a LRC set of martin logan electrostatics for about 15 years that are spec'd at 4 ohms and 89db sensitivity. he has always run them with mid-range receivers (mostly yamahas - can't remember the models) in a large family room but doesn't really crank the volume.

i have to image that the amp section in the 1120 is as strong or stronger as anything he has used in the past, but does anyone have experience with the 1019 and 4 ohm speakers for reference? i am sure he could add a three channel amp for the fronts, but he's trying to keep things simple.

thanks,
k

It's not about the listening volume. A great set of speakers like that will really shine if given some real power from an amp that is designed to power them. Considering that not even the higher-end elites are "rated" for 4-ohms, I would doubt these are. It will still power them to the same level as any other of the mid-range AVR's you have had in the past. Keep in mind though that they may not "rate" it to 4-ohms for a reason. It may cause it to run outside it's desgnated operating temp, which may or may not cause issues with lifespan. It will at the very least cause it to suffer from poor sound quality with less power in reserve for those nice explosions! Though I would really recommend a real amp for your ML's. You can get some really great deals on used ones, or Emotiva has some great deals on new ones as well as a zero-risk trial period. I cannot stress enough, high-power does not only benefit high volume. Your fathers ears will thank me.
post #170 of 581
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

I got email from Pioneer saying the 1020 and all 2010 models will support HDMI 1.4a.

Thank you for getting a confirmation. It's the little details like HDMI 1.4a, ARC (audio return channel), etc. that are important when doing future purchase research. Even if you don't use some of these features immediately (although I personally will) you may appreciate having them later more than finding out you have some missing features that you come to need.

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Originally Posted by MoviesLover View Post

The new Onkyo’s are 1.4a compliant even though not advertised as such:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/2010/04/on...-new-receivers

Has anyone seen anything clarifying whether the pioneer 1020 and 1120 are 1.4a compliant (vs just 1.4)?

That's the kind of articles I've been reading all over. Some will say "HDMI 1.4a who cares" or "ARC who cares" but I can tell you some of us do.

Note: I believe the Golf Masters tournament was recently broadcast in one of the two added mandatory 3D formats called “Side-by-Side Horizontal" through a cable provider. 3D processing had to be manually turned on as there was no "flag" so to speak. Don't know for sure if 1.4a would be absolutely required in this particular situation though just saying you may not know now where your 3D content will come from outside of Blu-ray.
post #171 of 581
Amazon sent me this last night:

Hello from Amazon.com.

We're still trying to obtain the following item[s] you ordered on March 14 2010 (Order# xxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxx).

"Pioneer VSX-1120-K Audio Video Receiver"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039XQQXA

Still want it? We'll keep on trying. To keep your order for this item open, please click the link below. Otherwise, we'll cancel your order on May 13 2010, if we haven't located it by then.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/css/order/e...orderID=xxxxxx

You'll still be able to cancel at any time before we ship it. If you want to cancel the item now, please click the link below:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/css/summary...orderID=xxxxxx

If there are other items in your order, they'll be shipped according to the delivery estimates listed in the order details in "Your Account" (www.amazon.com/your-account).

By approving the new delivery estimate, you are letting us know that you still want the item(s) though they may arrive later than expected. If there are other items in your order, they will ship according to the delivery estimates listed in the order details in "Your Account" (http://www.amazon.com/your-account).

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.

*****
WHY WAS MY ORDER DELAYED?
While we do our best to adhere to our delivery estimates, our inventory is constantly changing based on information we receive directly from our suppliers. Occasionally, unexpected fluctuations in supply, delays during shipping, or changes in release dates for new products will add time to our original delivery estimate.


What's odd is it sounds like they've been trying to reach me about the order but hadn't, it's been sitting in my 'orders' for a while yet I had to actually 'pre-order' again, which I had already done prior. Wonky.
post #172 of 581
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Keep in mind though that they may not "rate" it to 4-ohms for a reason. It may cause it to run outside it's desgnated operating temp, which may or may not cause issues with lifespan. It will at the very least cause it to suffer from poor sound quality with less power in reserve for those nice explosions! Though I would really recommend a real amp for your ML's.

Many amps and receivers that aren't rated for 4 ohm use are simply rated that way due to the fact that, while they can support most 4 ohm speakers, they wouldn't be able to pass the 4 ohm testing to get UL certification without extensive extra engineering to keep the temperatures down, or other issues. I know I've used a Marantz amp that was only rated down to 6 ohm for this reason, though they told me they used the exact same amp to drive their Snell speakers in their listening room, which are 4 ohm designs.

That said, planar and electrostat speakers drive really hard 4 ohm loads typically, much harder loads than most receivers can handle. If I was driving those, I'd get something like an XPA-3 from Emotiva to handle the front 3 at the minimum, as even if you still have to drive rears with the receiver, it'll be much easier to do since it won't have to drive those front speakers as well. However, as the Pioneer seems to lack a 12V trigger, you'd need to find a way to turn the amp off and on manually, or just leave it on all the time (I do this with my UPA-5 from Emotiva).
post #173 of 581
I was in Best Buy the other day and most of the Pioneers were gone, only the 1019 was left and it wasn't much of a deal on clearance.
post #174 of 581
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

Many amps and receivers that aren't rated for 4 ohm use are simply rated that way due to the fact that, while they can support most 4 ohm speakers, they wouldn't be able to pass the 4 ohm testing to get UL certification without extensive extra engineering to keep the temperatures down, or other issues. I know I've used a Marantz amp that was only rated down to 6 ohm for this reason, though they told me they used the exact same amp to drive their Snell speakers in their listening room, which are 4 ohm designs.

That said, planar and electrostat speakers drive really hard 4 ohm loads typically, much harder loads than most receivers can handle. If I was driving those, I'd get something like an XPA-3 from Emotiva to handle the front 3 at the minimum, as even if you still have to drive rears with the receiver, it'll be much easier to do since it won't have to drive those front speakers as well. However, as the Pioneer seems to lack a 12V trigger, you'd need to find a way to turn the amp off and on manually, or just leave it on all the time (I do this with my UPA-5 from Emotiva).

thanks for the reply (and other's as well). i just found out that the receiver he had been using was the yamaha RX-V1600. turns out it was more powerful than i thought - 7x120w and 500w total consumption (opposed to 7x110 and ~250w i think for the 1120).

i'm tinkering with the thought of using the yamaha as the amp for the fronts as well as the other zones in the house. he currently has four other speaker pairs which are switched through a niles switcher and are fed from zone 2 of the receiver. if the pioneer struggles to provide power to the fronts, it might be asking too much to drive the others. that said, the only stuff going to zone 2 will be low volume music.

i'm not sure how well these two can be integrated, but he is getting a harmony remote, so i suppose some magic can be done through that.
post #175 of 581
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Originally Posted by summit3907 View Post

thanks for the reply (and other's as well). i just found out that the receiver he had been using was the yamaha RX-V1600. turns out it was more powerful than i thought - 7x120w and 500w total consumption (opposed to 7x110 and ~250w i think for the 1120).

i'm tinkering with the thought of using the yamaha as the amp for the fronts as well as the other zones in the house. he currently has four other speaker pairs which are switched through a niles switcher and are fed from zone 2 of the receiver. if the pioneer struggles to provide power to the fronts, it might be asking too much to drive the others. that said, the only stuff going to zone 2 will be low volume music.

i'm not sure how well these two can be integrated, but he is getting a harmony remote, so i suppose some magic can be done through that.

Where did you see that the 1120 draws 250W? I haven't seen any spec sheet that says anything like that and the owners manual isn't available yet.
post #176 of 581
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Originally Posted by afidel View Post

Where did you see that the 1120 draws 250W? I haven't seen any spec sheet that says anything like that and the owners manual isn't available yet.

actually, 245 watts. if you look at the rear panel picture on the website, you can see on the right side 110 v, 245 watts.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...SX-1120-K.Kuro

k
post #177 of 581
The 1020 is 245W also according to the owners manual.

The 1019 was 350W and Elite 21 & 23 are 400W.

That's a pretty serious drop!
post #178 of 581
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Originally Posted by summit3907 View Post

actually, 245 watts. if you look at the rear panel picture on the website, you can see on the right side 110 v, 245 watts.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...SX-1120-K.Kuro

k

Ugh, what a POS, how the heck can they advertise 7x120W when it can't even sustain 2x120W!?! I freaking hate this industry some of the time.
post #179 of 581
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Originally Posted by afidel View Post

Ugh, what a POS, how the heck can they advertise 7x120W when it can't even sustain 2x120W!?! I freaking hate this industry some of the time.

Won't worry just throw more cash into it and get a better avr that is higher in the model line. How much will it cost me for ten more pounds of amp muscle.

The Onkyo 608 seems to be bucking the trend and upping the amps output.
post #180 of 581
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

The 1020 is 245W also according to the owners manual.

The 1019 was 350W and Elite 21 & 23 are 400W.

That's a pretty serious drop!

shocked...1120 @250 watts and 1020 @ 245 watts?!?!?!

Wow...can that really be right? that's only 2 amps! my onkyo 1007 draws something absurd like 10 amps. even if the 1020 was incredibly efficient, it still plays out to a very low real power based on the draw alone (granted one can rely on the power supply for quick bursts).

onkyo 608 draws 6.3amps (so roughly 725 watts).

feeling clever for getting a 21 on clearance...the 1020 and 1120 are sounding like good-looking, ipod control hdmi switches at this point with those power figures!
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