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post #241 of 581
^^^

no... if i had to guess, the ice amps will remain an sc series only feature...
post #242 of 581
Anyone notice that the price went up on Pioneer's website. They are now asking $599 for the 1020
post #243 of 581
^ ^ ^ ^
Thankfully, Amazon still shows it to be $549.
post #244 of 581
Indeed!

Any idea when the Amazon pre-orders are going to ship. In the discussion thread on Amazon, one guy who ordered his through Pio said his shipped on Tuesday.
post #245 of 581
And the price of the 1120 too has increased to $799 from $749. Still $749 on Amazon.
post #246 of 581
Just received an email from Pioneer saying my 1020 shipped! Hoping to get Fri or Mon...
post #247 of 581
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Originally Posted by zervinb View Post

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Thankfully, Amazon still shows it to be $549.

Exactly! Just ordered one from Amazon before they go up too.

Went ahead and got next day shipping so mine will be here one day from who knows when.
post #248 of 581
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Other than Dolby PLIIz, front wide speakers, HDMI 1.4, and internet radio.

those are just incremental add ons, basically a firmware update. Its not like a whole new model change like in cars.
post #249 of 581
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hdmi 1.4 is a chip upgrade... all new firmware there... not just a tweak...

plus, if the 1120 really does apply video processing to hdmi inputs, this is the first time pioneer has attempted it...

not that i expect them to have any problems implementing the above... one thing pioneer has consistently done if make avr's that "work" right from the beginning... they've had the odd problem or two, sure, but they've got a pretty good track record... but to blithely pass it off as an "incremental add on" understates the case...

fwiw, if anyone is wanting to upgrade their firmware themselves because they think they'll be getting feature upgrades down the road, don't hold your breath... even if it WAS user upgradeable, there's zero track record on feature upgrades via firmware upgrades from pio, and it would be unlikely that would change this year... keep in mind these avr's are replaced every year... pioneer (or any other cem, for that matter) has very little incentive to provide feature upgrades to models that are essentially on clearance six months after being introduced...
post #250 of 581
I currently have an Onkyo 605 that I have my DVR and PS3 hooked up to. I just bought a new TV and would like to upgrade my receiver. I am waiting a little while for 3D, but would REALLY like some more HDMI ports. I of course want to run everything into the receiver with one HDMI to the TV. Would this be an ok upgrade or sideways move ? I will admit I've never owned Pioneer in the past, want a good receiver but at the same time do not want to break the bank..
post #251 of 581
Also I looked thru all the posts, does anyone know if the 1020 does HDMI passthru of 1080p/24 ?
post #252 of 581
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Originally Posted by jpastin View Post

Anyone notice that the price went up on Pioneer's website. They are now asking $599 for the 1020

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Originally Posted by zervinb View Post

And the price of the 1120 too has increased to $799 from $749. Still $749 on Amazon.

all that money doesn't even buy the user a good set of MC analog inputs......sad......
post #253 of 581
Have there been any other receivers that process digital HDMI input?

I am looking to pick up receiver and a new plasma tv-hopefully Samsung PN63C8000. I am slowly adding pieces to the puzzle. I have obtained a "Majestic Grand" stand from Standout Design and have added a CyberPower 1350 battery back up. I had been looking at the Onkyo 608, but the Pioneer VSX-1120 really caught my attention. It says the Marvell QDEO processor can upconvert digital MDMI signals to 1080p. I don't believe I have seen any other receivers that can do this. Even last years Elite receiver with QDEO could only upscale analog signals, not that I could afford one anyways. Unfortunately, many of the other features to this receiver I don't have a need for, other than HDMI 1.4 and Pioneer's version of the Audisey features which are also featured on the VSX-1020.

In the past all I have seen were analog processors. So does anyone have any first hand experience with upconverting, say DirecTV HD? Sometimes the 1080i or the 720p signals are not that great. Like when watching football, the closeup cameras are clear as can be and the distant ones don't even look like they are broadcast in HD.

But, if you could upconvert the DirecTV signal from 1080i to 1080p standards that would be really add a new dimension to normal viewing. Would it look as good as a Bluray image? I always wondered why digital signal were never upconverted, but only analog signals. Now finally that has changed.
post #254 of 581
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sure. many many avr's from other cem's do. just no pioneers.

the video processing isn't going to help your issue with d* though... what you are describing is source related... it's a function of bit-rate (amoungst other things)...

nope, it will never look like blu-ray... for numerous reasons...

your display is applying video processing and displaying it's native resolution... i.e. if you have a 1080p set, it is taking every source it gets and scaling/deinterlacing to get it to 1080p before displaying... it has no choice...

so, whether or not you realized it, you are applying video processing...

imo, in "today's world", the whole video processing thing is a bit overblown... it's not like it was 5 years ago, where crappy processing was the norm in all components... pretty much everything has at least "decent" processing now...

i spent heaven knows how many hours comparing the processing of the qdeo vs. the processing of the kuro vs. the processing of the dvdo edge, and although i eventually settled on the qdeo for analog sources, the "difference" in almost all "regular viewing" is EXTREMELY small, and unlikely to be noticed unless you are really looking for it...

i understand many will go on and on about the virtues of various processing chips... like many things at avs, ocd plays strongly into this...
post #255 of 581
I am presently watching on a (3+ year old) Sony 52XBR4. Will a new Samsung plasma have a better processor on board? What if any would the Marvell clean up on a digital picture. So are you saying that the QDEO would be a waste of funds and just use the passthrough?
post #256 of 581
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i'm not familiar enough with either set to compare them... however, at 52", it's unlikely that you'll notice much (if any) of a difference...

it's unlikely to "clean up" much... d* sends a pretty "healthy" signal... what you are "seeing" is a function of there not being enough bits...

is it a "waste of funds"? that's your call. imo, if i was in your shoes and was that concerned about video processing, i'd buy a dvdo edge.

the "sweet spot" for video processing is with dvd's and large displays/screens...
post #257 of 581
Tracking number shows new 1020 will be here Monday (was hoping for today). Dying to set this up and see how things go!
post #258 of 581
^^ Keep us posted when you get it hooked up. Also, let us know if you start an owner's thread. Congratulations.
post #259 of 581
Is the PQLS worth the choice of the 1120 over the 1020?
For my needs- I see nothing else that matters with the 1120.
I don't need the processing or zones.
I have a 51FD blu ray and will be getting a 320 to replace it and I want to pair it with a new receiver. The 320 does PQLS two channel for CD's- how important is it with blu rays? I don't believe I have ever heard any audio "jitter" issue with my 51FD.
Thanks
post #260 of 581
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

imo, in "today's world", the whole video processing thing is a bit overblown... it's not like it was 5 years ago, where crappy processing was the norm in all components... pretty much everything has at least "decent" processing now...

i spent heaven knows how many hours comparing the processing of the qdeo vs. the processing of the kuro vs. the processing of the dvdo edge, and although i eventually settled on the qdeo for analog sources, the "difference" in almost all "regular viewing" is EXTREMELY small, and unlikely to be noticed unless you are really looking for it...

i understand many will go on and on about the virtues of various processing chips... like many things at avs, ocd plays strongly into this...

ccotenj,

+1. Nice post. Human nature dictates that some have to justify their purchase by seeing and hearing differences where none exist. Also we have brand loyalty regardless if something else works better. I too have compared various source components to only come to the conclusion that the components are more alike than different. A coin toss for the most part.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #261 of 581
note that the 1020 is $549 from Pioneer when you add it to your cart (event though it shows as $599 on their web page).
post #262 of 581
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Originally Posted by Stilly77 View Post

all that money doesn't even buy the user a good set of MC analog inputs......sad......

Something tells me it might be wiser to hold out for new Elite models (particularly low-end Elite models) which will hopefully sport multi-channel analog input and likely S-Video inputs as well.

I love Pioneer, but I'm not understanding the thinking here with constantly trimming things that make their units less attractive.

I bought a 1019 last year, but maybe if a new Elite comes in at a decent price (and has some of the additional features I'd like) I might upgrade. Otherwise, I'll probably keep this unit for 3-4 years until a wireless standard emerges (and hopefully that puts Monster Cable out of business).
post #263 of 581
^^^^^

This weekend I bought a brand new Yamaha RX-V765 for less than 4 Benjamin's from Newegg. Looks to be one of the last of the affordable breed's utilizing a discrete amp with MC analog IN and pre-outs. Pioneer is cutting out the features I want and the prices are getting out of control IMO. All adds up to no thanks for me. (and I am really partial to Pioneer equipment)

I bought an Elite VSX-01TXH directly from Pioneer for $425 a year and 1/2 ago and a VSX-919AH-K for $330. Both outstanding.

Now they're talking $599 and $799 for non-Elites that don't bring much to the party for me...........pass............
post #264 of 581
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

ccotenj,

+1. Nice post. Human nature dictates that some have to justify their purchase by seeing and hearing differences where none exist. Also we have brand loyalty regardless if something else works better. I too have compared various source components to only come to the conclusion that the components are more alike than different. A coin toss for the most part.


Respectfully,
Willie

always well put Willie!
post #265 of 581
Anyone get theirs and hook it up yet? Feedback would be awesome!
post #266 of 581
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Originally Posted by Stilly77 View Post

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This weekend I bought a brand new Yamaha RX-V765 for less than 4 Benjamin's from Newegg. Looks to be one of the last of the affordable breed's utilizing a discrete amp with MC analog IN and pre-outs. Pioneer is cutting out the features I want and the prices are getting out of control IMO. All adds up to no thanks for me. (and I am really partial to Pioneer equipment)

I bought an Elite VSX-01TXH directly from Pioneer for $425 a year and 1/2 ago and a VSX-919AH-K for $330. Both outstanding.

Now they're talking $599 and $799 for non-Elites that don't bring much to the party for me...........pass............

I'm sure you realize your VSX-01TXH was not list price, right? It was $750 during its prime. I'm sure as time goes by the other models will be reduced in price too.

I have a hunch the 1120 will probably have an Elite equivalent.

I remember seeing threads about why do mfrs still keep all these analog inputs on receivers when its clear we are moving towards all digital devices. Why not a receiver with just HDMI and optical/coaxial inputs and maybe a couple component video inputs. So now when Pioneer and others eliminate analog inputs people still complain.
post #267 of 581
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If you go by the situation with the 919 and 1019, you'll be lucky to see a Pioneer receiver ever drop in value. If you can find a 919 or 1019 anymore brand new, they are going to be more expensive than when they were first available. I believe unless Pioneer mass produces these units, the 1020 and 1120 will be the same way.

Complaining? I wasn't a part of the crowd you mention. Many people, myself included, have transports with high end DAC's that output superior MC audio. I don't care for processed (HDMI) audio all of the time.

BTW, how much do you think the 1120 companion Elite will be going for?

HDMI 1.4 early adopter? no thanks
PQLS? snake oil.......yes I have a 51FD hooked to 919 with PQLS....I don't hear any jitter going on either with it on or off....

these are just my opinions as nearly all forum talk is....
post #268 of 581
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Originally Posted by Stilly77 View Post

^^^^^^^

If you go by the situation with the 919 and 1019, you'll be lucky to see a Pioneer receiver ever drop in value. If you can find a 919 or 1019 anymore brand new, they are going to be more expensive than when they were first available. I believe unless Pioneer mass produces these units, the 1020 and 1120 will be the same way.

Complaining? I wasn't a part of the crowd you mention. Many people, myself included, have transports with high end DAC's that output superior MC audio. I don't care for processed (HDMI) audio all of the time.

BTW, how much do you think the 1120 companion Elite will be going for?

HDMI 1.4 early adopter? no thanks
PQLS? snake oil.......yes I have a 51FD hooked to 919 with PQLS....I don't hear any jitter going on either with it on or off....

these are just my opinions as nearly all forum talk is....

Stilly77,

I agree with you that want the digital to analog conversion should take place in the component that does the best job and this may not always be the AVR or pre/pro. I can't imagine the Elite versions of the upcoming AVRs not having ext. in for analog. If they don't Pioneer would be shooting themselves in the foot. It would also be nice if the Elite models could also decode DSD and HDCD.


Respectfully,
Willie
post #269 of 581
Maybe I missed it being mentioned in this thread but I just realized that the 1020 has no pre-amp outputs for an external amplifier! Not sure how I missed that before or didn't see it mentioned in any of the numerous side by side comparisons I read.

So that pretty much makes the 1120 my only option. Well, that or wait for the Elites.

The Elites look tempting primarily because I know they will have a 12v trigger to turn my amp/projector/etc on. I'm also hoping that maybe pioneer might finally add the ability to set crossover points for different speakers and not use a universal crossover point.

Any guesses on when the elites would be scheduled to come out? Fall?
post #270 of 581
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Stilly77,

I agree with you that want the digital to analog conversion should take place in the component that does the best job and this may not always be the AVR or pre/pro. I can't imagine the Elite versions of the upcoming AVRs not having ext. in for analog. If they don't Pioneer would be shooting themselves in the foot. It would also be nice if the Elite models could also decode DSD and HDCD.


Respectfully,
Willie

Personally I'd like to see a manufacturer drop analogs and spend the saved money on a better amp stage and great DAC's. I guess for the elite level where you're possibly pairing the receiver with a really insanely expensive external DAC that might not work, but in the area where the 1120 plays I think it would work for many consumers =)
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