Onix Electronics & Speakers thread - Page 2

European tunnel vision .. Coming from the USA !!! Come on that statement is tunnel vision at its best.

Fact is it was business awareness for making money, and lack of desire to support a market that cares more about price than quality.

We sold to 28 markets WORLDWIDE made more than we could and made profit. The USA was just one of those markets. It was one 28th of our consideration for business.

Once again I would not change a thing .

A

That's right, Adam. Tunnel vision on your part. First you say the US market was unknown to you and then in the next post you broadly generalize and say the US is all about price instead of quality. So, which is it? Maybe you think we're all a bunch of cowboys riding horses too If that's the decision you made about two decades ago then you didn't know how to market in this part of the world. If demand outstripped supply then maybe you were priced too low since you didn't seem to have the ability or desire to increase production. Further, maybe you needed to find a way to get venture capital. If all there there was at the top was you, then consideration should have been given to bringing in some capable management. That concept transcends countries.

You had a run of about 5 years and then you sold. What were your peak years sales in units and gross dollars of pounds at that time? Glory days Adam. They'll pass you by! However, we're all glad you now have some time and have discovered the internet.

The simple fact is Adam is that you're here to talk about the good old days and basically piss on the Onix brand now that it's run by the Chinese.

Someone is getting upset ... Anyone can buy name but not anyone can make one . Whats upsetting you Chu mudslinging has never been professional.

No one denies Chinese dominance in manufacturing but they have an image/quality issue hence the need to buy brands that others have have built.

Maybe Chu, I will do it again, with the new found time and the wealth I created along the way, by selling companies I started to others, and selling them at their peak, when they didn't waste money on supporting volume but promoting quality .. Volume V Quality ... The Chinese and USA still cant see it, they dont normally live together and never in China.

Maybe I will not care about the USA, and maybe I will, either way dont underestimate people in particular ones you dont know.

I dont need to buy brands I create them . I come from a small Island that is the SIXTH largest economy WORLDWIDE with only 13000 SQ Km and its part of the EU now the WORLDS LARGEST ECONOMY , I am proud to have been very well educated and I know who I am and what I can do. I made good products in ENGLAND and people bought them.

Wait a second I still own the Trade mark of one I created maybe its time to use it AGAIN... now there's a thought .

A

Adam,

I still don't understand your purpose of continuing to post in this thread instead of creating a separate one to educate all of us about Onix, its history, and whatever else.

Since you chose to remain in this thread, I have the following questions for you.

1. What result(s) are you looking to achieve from all of this?
2. Do you have any proofs to back up your claim? Please excuse my ignorance but anybody can come here and claim he/she is this or that, right?
3. Why are you posting here instead of resolving whatever issue you may still have with whoever was/were involved with what you claimed?

Thanks,

Proof of TM ownership in the EU

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/...demark=1332605

The assignment was however done with out my consent or knowledge so by definition is illegal. so..

With regards to redress , it is not an issue my life has moved on but likewise mudslinging does invoke emotion, after all so does music so we are all guilty of that. A certain party should note lets stop that mudslinging now.


Hugh I wish you success with ONIX and whatever else you choose to promote

I will reiterate I wish no harm to anyone or their business .

Regards

A

Oh come now Adam. Upset is more like you posting on a variety of different websites about the good old days of a 5-6 year run and complaining how the products after you sold the company don't measure up. As to mudslinging, what would you call this quote by you from PinkFishMedia?


All you're doing is slinging a different kind of mud mixed in with a healthy dose of sour grapes. You bemoan that whatever quality standards you had in place have slipped over time yet you never had to compete in the marketplace after you sold the company and it's a market that's vastly different. Hence from a past two decades and then some from now you've got issues with the direction of the brand but you never had to compete during those 20 odd years. Well, you didn't have to. Instead, you sold the company and now sitting in the past, you toss soft mud balls at the present.

So, you've got money now. You've got the Tradmark (apparently). So use it again or just put on Back to the Future. To think anyone is presently living off whatever quality you had way back then (without hard data it's pretty much anecdotal and speculation) just isn't supported by anything I've read. You're just a historical footnote and FWIW, I don't own or sell any ONIX products.

I have received countless E mails in just the last three months which all have been answered, from previous or current owners of OLD ONIX the brand I created, I have answered questions of service or just about the history of what they own, and have supported the old product that we made and designed. I have been asked about all of the OA range from 1984 to 1992 and I am proud of it.

I have helped people that bought our products over 25 years ago, that still love them and use them ,I have received thanks from all and praise as well for what we made . The forum method of communication has helped countless people to say thanks to me and allowed them to ask for help with the OLD ONIX range. I will keep posting and helping people but on forums that dont look for fault and appreciate it .. strangely the European forums, this being the only one that attacked me and the only one that is mostly US based that I posted on ..Funny that dont you think ?

I have done this because they could not get help with their questions and were not given support for what we made in the Eighties/Nineties . Most of these people have asked for it from the current owners and have not even received a reply. They have told me this , I have answered every E mail the best I could even if I couldn't help with the question .

My posts are for one reason only, to set the record straight as to who I am and what I did with ONIX and to offer support, because the current promoters do not even know how, or care to support old ONIX products. If you use a companies history to sell products surely you have to support the history that you use ?

I ask you Chu is it wrong to raise awareness so that I can help people find out about things they own or want to buy ? or is it trying to live in the past ?

Have you got an issue with my willingness to help people that have asked for it ?

What is your issue with my wanting to set the record straight ? When so many old customers have asked for help and have been so grateful for getting it ? The current owners turned their back on the old range, is it wrong for me to support it ? For no personal gain ?

Chu I will end my replies and answers on this thread, but suffice to say you have a hidden agenda, why else would you keep on replying ? All I have done is help people that have asked by raising awareness that I am here to do exactly that, further more to help with any questions . All of my posts have a personal E mail at the bottom and out of the hundreds of E mails in the last three months not one has failed to comment on how nice it is to have someone that both replies and helps, so quickly as well.

You get out of life what you put in and Chu, I sleep well at night , this is not sour grapes as you put it or living in the past , its pure and simple support to people that have asked for it . I am proud of what we made and rightly so . It was what ONIX stood for, it was the value of what our customers bought, it was the true ONIX dna.


Regards

A

aw @ onixdna.com

I'm sure it makes you feel good but having taken the time to read your other postings on other forums, you're very much into the whole good old, glory days phase of your life.


Look for fault? How's about looking at a more forthcoming of the history for starters? You know, things like questions I've asked a couple of times already such as how many products did you sell and what was your yearly maximum gross amount in sales?

Support for legacy products can always be problematical. If you've felt strongly about this for a number of years, you could've uploaded operator manuals, schematics, and repair manuals so that those with problems might be able to take them to an electronics service center in their own country. Before the forums, there was USENET, which is now Google Groups. You could've posted there.


You see, you're so overstating this whole thing of using the company's origin as a promotional tool. You're a foot note and so is O'Brien (btw, where can I find him?). If you feel so strongly about this, why not provide scans of owner's manuals, schematics, and service manuals? You do have at least the latter two don't you?


This may take a polygraph or many psychiatrists to find out Why are you so late to the game with this whole awareness and helping thing? It's only been the past few months that you've had significant internet activity. You live in the world's fifth largest economy so you can't feign ignorance of the internet as a means of global communication.


Nope, but I haven't seen any of it here.


You're getting a kick out of it and that can be construed as a personal gain but there's no problem with that. And there's no problem with you looking to flesh out the story from your perspective but you still have not answered questions that pertain to sales and dollar volume. Answers to those questions might beget others. You see Adam, and I'm speaking just for myself and not as a an American cowboy, I'm not a big fan of softball questions and comparable responses. I'd like to dig a little deeper and I'm just not satisfied with a Reader's digest version of history.


I tell you Adam, I've heard so much of this hidden agenda thing over the past couple of years. If you want to help people Adam, then go to where they're asking questions. If you want them to find you, then start a webpage and put some stuff on there. In this particular thread, you haven't helped a damned soul. You talk about culture. About DNA. And you do it in the vaguest of ways as if you're running for political office.


I sleep good too. Must be my mattress.

I have no problem with the clarification on the history and origins of Onix, but with all due respect for your personal accomplishments, I disagree with the idea that anybody is trying to use your work to promote the current Onix brand, or that the current promotion of the Onix brand is in any way making use of any previous reputation it may have had. Perhaps it's different in the UK, but in North America there are very few of your original products still floating around out there and it's been a long time since anybody thought of Onix as anything other than what it currently is. It's also been a long time since you owned the Onix name, and whether the current Onix products (that I happen to think are pretty good) represent YOUR design ideals or not is irrelevant at this point. It would be a bit unfair for you to assume current designs are inferior anyhow simply based on the chinese ownership of the brand, and I'm not sure what other beef you could have aside from believing you still have some sort of claim to the name. Either argument would be inappropriate in this thread, which is for owners to discuss their products.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, or insensitive to any legal dispute that you think you have with the person you originally sold to, but we are trying to promote the brand as it currently exists and not compare it to another time when it was a completely different company.

I had some Onix Reference speakers for a couple years, up until this year. Didn't know anything about the prior history. I thought Mr. Pu started the company, but never really thought about origins one way or another.. it was all about size/quality/price/intended usage/etc. at the time of purchase. And I've been round the audio speaker boards long enough that I would have picked up on this Onix "glory years" information if it was a topic of discussion at one time or another. It very well might have come up but I'm not recalling it.

The bottom line, however, is that I never got any sense of Onix as some special special speaker company with a great or unique reputation above and beyond whatever reviews I had been exposed to in the last handful of years or current owner praise and recommendations during the later period of Onix.

It's pretty comical that the original Onix owner thinks latter-day Onix has been riding on the reputational coattails of his original company. If they have been, well, they've been doing a terrible job at it. Maybe that original reputation is better intact in European markets, but nevertheless, there would be nothing to suggest that they've been using that reputation better over there than here in the USA/Canada markets.

Once again, I am reminded of how we humans tend to build these favorable constructs about own lives which serve to appease ourselves about ourselves in some way or another; to place us in a better, more complementary light, helping us muddle through life with a little more feeling of dignity about ourselves than is probably warranted by a more objective reading.

Why does every post on this thread come from the USA and each post refer only to the USA ? If it is just for the USA then fair enough but its on the web.

There is a world out there and I along with many others come from that world and some of the the promotion I refer to is being done in my part of the world as I do not live in the USA like those that do, I refer to my part of the world as that is matters to me . I didn't check the USA but likewise it seems many in the USA are guilty of not checking out the rest of the world . For the record original ONIX NEVER made speakers.

check it out ..and it is just fabrication of the truth.. This is what started the stance we have taken.

http://www.onix-audio.co.uk/onixhis.htm

Color me confused.... It says since the "rebirth" in 2008, ONIX is back under the direction of former employees who were "frustrated that the brand was in limbo" (paraphrasing there). So, are ONIX products now engineered and/or made in the UK again or is this link simply one of the ONIX dealers selling the product in the UK like we have dealers here in North America?

Adam,

This thread is about CURRENT Onix products in The US and is neither about Original Onix products nor Onix products outside of The US.

Yes, I know there's a world out there but you decided to post your opinion in this thread which is, once again, started by an Onix fan in The US so please respect my suggestion/recommendation about starting your own thread and tell the world about your story and I promise you I won't barge into that thread of yours.

For the last time, I expect you as a gentleman to NOT spoil the intention of the OP when he started this thread.

Thank YOU very much.

Sorry Hugh but if you want to take that kind of a stance you'd have to ask Mike (the OP) to change his first post to make a statement like that and to change his first post because it sure seems like he is talking about Onix of England (unless i read post #1 wrong).

Edit: And are there multiple companies called Onix that evolved from the original that all sell electronics under the Onix brand but are unrelated and distinct companies?

Well, Jeez, Louise, Adam. You could've saved a whole bunch of confusion and posts (mine included) if you'd started out with that initially. As near as I can make out, and Hugh, who is the distributor in the US can correct me, various people have the ability to sell ONIX products in reasonably defined geographical areas. Each have their own website that they've independently developed such that the content is likely to vary. To the best of my knowledge, Hugh has nothing to do with the UK website you provided a link for. That person may be a distributor in addition to selling the product but I don't believe they have anything whatsoever to do with what's going on here. Hence, if your beef is with the way they've presented the information, I would think it would be more effective for you to address them directly rather than posting here.

First of all since Al Gore invented the Web, we have first rights. Second, this is a US based web site, so it is predominantly viewed and comprised of US people. The US has not become part of the new world order yet, so much of what we do is regional, at least within our own country. In the last 15 years I don't think I've visited any web sites in Europe ....... well excluding looking for a bride.


As much as you are lecturing us on not taking a look at the rest of the world, where have you been the last half dozen years.

Somehow, I don't think this is going to be as easy as that .......

As far as I know, there is only one company named ONIX.

And ONIX is short for ONIX ELECTRONICS LTD., ENGLAND.

Which would make all of Adam's comments about the one and only company entirely appropriate in a thread dedicated to discussion about it.

Before this thread derailed, it was a place for Onix owners to speak about their equipment. As I have only just discovered this thread, I thought I would add my thoughts. Onix Ref 3 owners are a fairly small club and easily overlooked, so I am compelled to "speak".

I own Onix Reference 3s, Ref 1s and a Ref 100 for my 5.1 HT set up and I absolutely love them. I drove several hundred miles to audition them side by side with some other speakers of interest and to my ears the Ref 3s were clearly the best. Precision, clarity, soundstage; if these things are high in your preferences, these speakers will command your attention, if you are lucky enough to get a chance to hear them. As a member of the "working classes", I doubt that I will ever be able to afford speakers that are better. The only speakers I have personally heard that I believed better cost three to four times as much. They really are premier speakers at an approachable price, a very rare and beautiful thing.

I hope with the new distributors for Onix in the USA, the Reference line has a long and successful future, but if business conditions make that future a difficult one, I for one will consider myself lucky for having been in the right place and time to own them.

I live in PA, and was interested in Onix products which led me to this thread. Everyone on the interweb seems to indicate this is the dealer for my area:

www.CalliopeHomeAudio.com

Well they don't exist, or the up and moved their web presence and didn't bother to tell anyone. What's the dealy yo?

We lost one of the dealers and that info hasnt trickled down yet I guess.

I dont know if any decision was made regarding the territory...

I will send you a PM in a minute

Sorry, we didn't do a very good job of updating that info, largely because we were sort of waiting to see what happened with what states went where.

If Mike would be so kind as to update the dealer info in post #3, Pennsylvania and Maryland are now part of my territory, (East Street Audio) Alabama and Florida have moved from Blue Shift Audio's territory to that of a new dealer, Engulf Audio, and Louisiana is now part of Phenomenhan AV's territory. The remaining states that used to be served by Calliope Home audio are in limbo, so any dealer can help people in those areas.

I just wanted to let everyone know that I will be hosting a GTG at my house November 13th for Hugh's new Trinity. Details are here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post19383811

I would just like to thank both Tim (Woofersus) of East Street Audio and Hugh (OnixMan) of Angel City Audio for going out of their way to make things right in trying to resolve an issue with an Onix product that I purchased. Their support was exemplary of the highest standard for customer service of any dealership or manufacturer that I encountered to date. Well done, gentlemen.

(I am not in any way associated with either dealership or Onix except as a customer.)

So sorry for not getting back to this thread.

We've been rather extremely tight in time due to our commitments to various shows and products development.

First off, I'd like to take this opportunity to say thanks to all of the comments/inputs here and elsewhere.

For the ones who already have the Ref. speakers, we truly wish those will serve you all well for a long time.
FYI, Onix has decided not to continue with the Reference speaker lines and so you are of the lucky few who possess those wonderful speakers.

Nevertheless, we are here to serve our current and future friends/customers for the long haul which motivated us to come out with our own speaker line and the first (entry-level) model is called Trinity and they are of monitor design.

If you got a chance, you can either come to the upcoming CES or check out our gtg in January in Seattle and listen for yourself.

Thanks all,