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post #421 of 816
7/23/10 at 9:46pm
Hey,

Here's what I came up with calibrating my new 55HX701. See attached ColorHFCR results. I'm not an expert, but I have calibrated a number of TVs and the results are usually wonderful.

Scene Select: General
Picture Mode: Custom
Backlight: 5
Picture: 72
Brightness: 50
Color: 51
Hue: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 18
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG NR: Low
MotionFlow: High
CineMotion: Off

Advanced Settings:
Everything: OFF
Gamma: 0

White Balance:
R Gain: -8
G Gain: 0
B Gain: 0
R Bias: 0
G Bias: +2
B Bias: +1

Firmware: PKG4.054AAL
Ambient Sensor: OFF
Display Area: Full Pixel
RGB Dynamic Range: Full (For PC Inputs)

Calibrated with HCFR Colorimeter & i1Display LT

AVSHD Blu-Ray Disk
Source Panasonic DMP-BD35, HDMI, 1080p, Deep Color Off
Onkyo TX-SR706, HDMI Through, x.v. Color Off

 

HX701.zip 4.9150390625k . file
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post #422 of 816
7/24/10 at 3:12am
Are the adjustments to eliminate Soap Opera Effect adequate? I have been led to believe that Samsung excels in this area. Can you get a movie to look like a movie and still have motion blur under control?
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post #423 of 816
7/24/10 at 3:45am
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Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post

Are the adjustments to eliminate Soap Opera Effect adequate? I have been led to believe that Samsung excels in this area. Can you get a movie to look like a movie and still have motion blur under control?
Thanks

I still have to buy a bluray player for movies but I thought that the motionflow set to standard while watching regular tv did a great job and didn't introduce the soap opera effect.
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post #424 of 816
7/25/10 at 6:29am
well I am about to give up. It seems I just can't find a TV I like for what I need. This set is good, but ultimately, mad Shadow details and bad view angle are getting the best of me. was watching a movie last night, we have a 3 seat couch and I was sitting on the left side while my wife was on the right side. i'd said almost half the screen to the right side (while I am sitting on the left side) at lost in black level, black were almost turning yellowish. This is a direct results of bad view angle. If I sit perfectly at the center of the screen, it's less noticeable but I can see both sides being less dark than the center. For the record, I have a 46".

To make matter worst, I started seeing some clouding on this set. It more important on the upper left and lower right corner of the screen and goes gradually toward the center. In dark scene, you tend to notice is a litte, on dark screen (like movie credits or black loading screen in a video game), it's quite noticable. Granted, I was in a dark room without lights on, but this is more often than not the way I use this TV. On daylight, the clouding is not an issue but the view angle remains although it's lessen but I do 90% of my TV usage on that TV at night.

I'm about to give up on buying a TV.
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post #425 of 816
7/25/10 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by Guibs View Post

well I am about to give up. It seems I just can't find a TV I like for what I need. This set is good, but ultimately, mad Shadow details and bad view angle are getting the best of me. was watching a movie last night, we have a 3 seat couch and I was sitting on the left side while my wife was on the right side. i'd said almost half the screen to the right side (while I am sitting on the left side) at lost in black level, black were almost turning yellowish. This is a direct results of bad view angle. If I sit perfectly at the center of the screen, it's less noticeable but I can see both sides being less dark than the center. For the record, I have a 46".

To make matter worst, I started seeing some clouding on this set. It more important on the upper left and lower right corner of the screen and goes gradually toward the center. In dark scene, you tend to notice is a litte, on dark screen (like movie credits or black loading screen in a video game), it's quite noticable. Granted, I was in a dark room without lights on, but this is more often than not the way I use this TV. On daylight, the clouding is not an issue but the view angle remains although it's lessen but I do 90% of my TV usage on that TV at night.

I'm about to give up on buying a TV.

Have to agree the viewing angle of this TV is quite weak. And I do see a little banding/light bleed. However for me as this is my bedroom TV I can live with it. For any serious viewing though I could understand the frustration. Plasma would probably be the way to go.
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post #426 of 816
7/26/10 at 8:15am
I may have found part of my problem regarding the bad view angle I was seeing on the lower right corner. CLOUDING.

I am attaching some pictures. Clouding with MAX Back light, with Blacklight set to 5 (default) and backlight set to 3 (which I use at night).

It's visible on all 3 settings on dark scene. I think it's pretty bad.

also, this picture will show you part of my problem with Shadow details. Unless I am mistaken, you should see Commisonner Gordon on the right side of the screen, at least part of his head and shoulder at the bottom right side. I just barely see him.

clouding is worst on the top left and bottom right corner of the screen.

One thing which is weird, when I power on the TV, clouding is almost not visible. After the Tv is on for 30-45 minutes, Clouding gets very visisble so it gets worst as the TV warm up. First time I see this on an LCD.
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post #427 of 816
7/27/10 at 9:00pm
When watching movies, does anyone actually use the "Theater" mode? I was watching Star Trek last night on blue ray and switching back and forth.. It seemed like the theater mode dulled the colors and seemed to sort of smooth the picture out. Without theater mode the colors seemed to really pop and everything seemed so textured, faces for instance looked rougher. I still like the pop of the picture without theater mode.. Just wondering what other people have decided as well?

Also cinemotion? On or off? I have motionflow on high at all times except while gaming..
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post #428 of 816
7/28/10 at 5:32am
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Originally Posted by Granto86 View Post

When watching movies, does anyone actually use the "Theater" mode? I was watching Star Trek last night on blue ray and switching back and forth.. It seemed like the theater mode dulled the colors and seemed to sort of smooth the picture out. Without theater mode the colors seemed to really pop and everything seemed so textured, faces for instance looked rougher. I still like the pop of the picture without theater mode.. Just wondering what other people have decided as well?

Also cinemotion? On or off? I have motionflow on high at all times except while gaming..

I used theatre mode while watching movie, just liked the better shadow details that one. Never really notice a big shift in color when doing so but notice the contrast/briightness difference.

As far as cinemotion goes, it should be the only thing you need, unless I am mistaken, to display 1080/24p as long as your bluray player output it. I do not believe you require motionflow at all to get 1080/24p but I might be mistaken. Someone else here might be able to provide more information.

personally, when watching motion, I would set cinemotion to 1 and motionflow to OFF. Although while watching TV, I'd turn off cinemotion and put motion flow to STANDARD. Putting Motionflow to HIGH introduce either too much artifact (regular TV) or too much judder while watching movies.
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post #429 of 816
7/29/10 at 2:14am
Hi All,

I found on the website of HDTV.co.uk a review of the Sony KDL-40EX703. In the comments they wrote what the settings where during the test. I have used these settings for my TV.

David Mackenzie wrote on 26 July 2010 6:01 pm

These are the settings we used on our own review sample:

Scene mode: CINEMA
Backlight: Min (depending on your viewing environment)
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Colour: 51
Hue: G3
Colour Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction :Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Standard
Film Mode: Auto2

Advanced: All Off, Gamma 0

White Balance from top to bottom:
-2 0 -11 +2 0 -2

We also used System Setings > Eco > Power Saving: Low.
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post #430 of 816
7/29/10 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

Hi All,

I found on the website of HDTV.co.uk a review of the Sony KDL-40EX703. In the comments they wrote what the settings where during the test. I have used these settings for my TV. Only the backlight settings are still the default settings (5).

David Mackenzie wrote on 26 July 2010 6:01 pm

These are the settings we used on our own review sample:

Scene mode: CINEMA
Backlight: Min (depending on your viewing environment)
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Colour: 51
Hue: G3
Colour Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: Min
Noise Reduction :Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Motionflow: Standard
Film Mode: Auto2

Advanced: All Off, Gamma 0

White Balance from top to bottom:
-2 0 -11 +2 0 -2

We also used System Setings > Eco > Power Saving: Low.

Keep in mind that it was the EX 703 (a led tv) while this thread is about the HX701 a LCD tv.
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post #431 of 816
7/29/10 at 9:08am
Have had a 40HX701 set up for 5 days now & here's my experience. First thing I noticed was glare. Made a quick decision on this set & had no idea there would be this much reflection issues.

That said, I started adjusting the picture settings and used one that was listed previously in this thread with some minor tweaks. I absolutely love the color accuracy of this set. Very realistic skin tones, hair colors, gray sidewalks , brown buildings, etc.. all excellent to my eyes. I cannot stand any red push or green tints.. this set has got the color accuracy nailed for my eyes.

However, I was having trouble getting the pop I expected... so I kept tweaking picture, color, sharpness. One day it looked great... next I was wondering what was happening as it looked clouded. Finally realized the viewing angle on this set was the major factor of what I was seeing. Any off angle viewing immediately starts losing picture vibrancy (for lack of better words). And, I'm talkng about small angles off center. Blacks turn to grays, picture gets washed & in general the color pop just goes away. Wow, what a let down. And, it's not like I have wide viewing area.
I'm not sure I can tolerate it at this point. It's annoying.

Damn, the color tones are so good with this set, and I can put up with the glare, but, the viewing angle issue has me thinking about searching for another set.
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post #432 of 816
7/29/10 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by DenWing View Post

Have had a 40HX701 set up for 5 days now & here's my experience. First thing I noticed was glare. Made a quick decision on this set & had no idea there would be this much reflection issues.

That said, I started adjusting the picture settings and used one that was listed previously in this thread with some minor tweaks. I absolutely love the color accuracy of this set. Very realistic skin tones, hair colors, gray sidewalks , brown buildings, etc.. all excellent to my eyes. I cannot stand any red push or green tints.. this set has got the color accuracy nailed for my eyes.

However, I was having trouble getting the pop I expected... so I kept tweaking picture, color, sharpness. One day it looked great... next I was wondering what was happening as it looked clouded. Finally realized the viewing angle on this set was the major factor of what I was seeing. Any off angle viewing immediately starts losing picture vibrancy (for lack of better words). And, I'm talkng about small angles off center. Blacks turn to grays, picture gets washed & in general the color pop just goes away. Wow, what a let down. And, it's not like I have wide viewing area.
I'm not sure I can tolerate it at this point. It's annoying.

Damn, the color tones are so good with this set, and I can put up with the glare, but, the viewing angle issue has me thinking about searching for another set.

Yeah, the view angle on the set isn't amazing. It bugged me too, a lot actually. But ultimately, I return the set because of the bad clouding (see the picture I posted a few post ago). still wondering. If I don't find a better TV, I might go back and try my luck at another HX701 at some point. Too bad because that TV was great for sports and vide games. The view angle bugged me in movies, espicially dark scenes.
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post #433 of 816
7/30/10 at 12:36am
The Sony HX700 uses the same LCD flatpanel as the EX700 and therefore the same setttings for EX700 can also be used for HX700. I have done some video testing using the Blu-ray Terminator 2 movie which has in the extra's menu an audio and video test option and it looks OK to me. The result looks great on HD and SD media content .

The KDL-46HX700 is also the first Sony-branded HDTV that uses a Sharp UV2A panel, rather than the Super PVA type which Sony has been manufacturing with Samsung for half a decade now.

http://www.diginfo.tv/2009/09/30/09-0298-r-en.php
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post #434 of 816
7/30/10 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by DenWing View Post

And, I'm talkng about small angles off center. Blacks turn to grays, picture gets washed & in general the color pop just goes away. Wow, what a let down. And, it's not like I have wide viewing area.

Have to agree - but fortunately for me as this is my bedroom set the viewing angle is pretty much spot on. Watch it from the ensuite however and its, well, poorly!
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post #435 of 816
7/30/10 at 4:05am
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Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

The Sony HX700 uses the same LCD flatpanel as the EX700 and therefore the same setttings for EX700 can also be used for HX700. I have done some video testing using the Blu-ray Terminator 2 movie which has in the extra's menu an audio and video test option and it looks OK to me. The result looks great on HD and SD media content .

The KDL-46HX700 is also the first Sony-branded HDTV that uses a Sharp UV2A panel, rather than the Super PVA type which Sony has been manufacturing with Samsung for half a decade now.

http://www.diginfo.tv/2009/09/30/09-0298-r-en.php

Johan - From what I read somewhere on AVS, only the 60" Sony use the SharpUV2A. I have a 60EX700 and have been successfully using the settings
from serialmike at the Official KDL EX500/501 Thread, except for the white balance. His tv is a 60" EX500 that uses CCFL instead of LED. That might account for the difference on white balance settings between his 60EX500 and mine.

Here's serialmike latests settings:

60EX500 settings
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post18869413
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post #436 of 816
7/30/10 at 4:17am
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Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

The Sony HX700 uses the same LCD flatpanel as the EX700 and therefore the same setttings for EX700 can also be used for HX700. I have done some video testing using the Blu-ray Terminator 2 movie which has in the extra's menu an audio and video test option and it looks OK to me. The result looks great on HD and SD media content .

The KDL-46HX700 is also the first Sony-branded HDTV that uses a Sharp UV2A panel, rather than the Super PVA type which Sony has been manufacturing with Samsung for half a decade now.

http://www.diginfo.tv/2009/09/30/09-0298-r-en.php

Pretty sure it is not using a sharp panel, at least not the 46". If it was a sharp panel, view angle on that tv would be much better than it is. Also, someone said he compared the panel and it's the same as the ex500.
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post #437 of 816
8/2/10 at 2:49am
I noticed there is an update listed on the Sony site for the HX701. I was wondering if anyone has downloaded the new firmware and if so how it went. I am not having any issues with this set and I really don't know if I want to take a chance of screwing something up.
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post #438 of 816
8/2/10 at 10:17pm
I have no problems with the off angle viewing. I would not update the firmware unless you have a problem. I'm happy with the tv so far. Gaming is excellent.
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post #439 of 816
8/3/10 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by Judy52 View Post

I noticed there is an update listed on the Sony site for the HX701. I was wondering if anyone has downloaded the new firmware and if so how it went. I am not having any issues with this set and I really don't know if I want to take a chance of screwing something up.

Not sure how these FW updates translate across the world (in terms of what they affect or 'newness') but my set did an automated update about 2 weeks ago and apart from some new internet channels, cant see any performance difference.
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post #440 of 816
8/4/10 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE View Post

I have no problems with the off angle viewing. I would not update the firmware unless you have a problem. I'm happy with the tv so far. Gaming is excellent.

View angle was worst when watching regular TV or Movies in a dark room (which is what I am doing most of the time). I agree that when playing games, it didn't seem to be as bad for some reason.
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post #441 of 816
8/4/10 at 12:06pm
I don't notice ill effects of off angle unless I'm almost beside the set. I can sit anywhere in my livingroom and have a really good picture. I only have OTA, Netflix and DVD but all have a good picture. So far I'm loving this set. I got my wireless dongle this morning and now have it set up. Netflix streams just as good on this set as it does with my Roku. I have decided not to do the update listed on the Sony site since I'm not having any issues with the set. Thanks for the advice Sludge.
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post #442 of 816
8/6/10 at 7:38pm
Just got my 46HX701 from Costco today and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on specific audio systems for it. Will it work as well for non Sony products and is there any advantage to using Sony products with it? Has anyone used it with a soundbar as opposed to a whole system (5 speakers)? I'm not in a big rush but I do want to get started putting something together. Thanks for your help, this is my first post.
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post #443 of 816
8/6/10 at 7:58pm
I am also looking to get some kind of speaker set. I was thinking of getting the BDP-BX57 with the speaker set. Costco has that set for $450. I don't really know much about it but it looks like it might be a way to start out without spending a lot. I would also like to hear any advice anyone with experience might have.
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post #444 of 816
8/6/10 at 8:16pm
I recommend a receiver with a 5.1 speaker set up for any home theater system. It doesn't have to be Sony. If money is a concern look for a HTIB (Home Theater In a Box).
There is a section in AVS for receivers. Good luck.
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post #445 of 816
8/9/10 at 3:18pm
Hi floks,
I got my 46HX701 yesterday from local COSTCO. The TV looks great. but the picture looks lot more grainier. I watched " Planet earth " blu-ray , In that the sky and clouds appears to have lot of picture grains or noise. and also when i watch the football the players are appeared to be surrounded with lot of picture noise. Is it something which can be changed via settings. Please advise.

Thanks
sdsmt
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post #446 of 816
8/9/10 at 9:00pm
Sorry your picture is not up to par. I got the 55" from Costco and am using it with the settings that are straight from the box and have a beautiful picture. Maybe you could try some of the settings listed on this thread to improve your set. I'm sure you are familar with Costcos return policy so if you can't get it to look right you can always return it and see if a different set would do better for you.
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post #447 of 816
8/9/10 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by sdsmt_rapid View Post

Hi floks,
I got my 46HX701 yesterday from local COSTCO. The TV looks great. but the picture looks lot more grainier. I watched " Planet earth " blu-ray , In that the sky and clouds appears to have lot of picture grains or noise. and also when i watch the football the players are appeared to be surrounded with lot of picture noise. Is it something which can be changed via settings. Please advise.

Thanks
sdsmt

I was just wondering if you are using HMDI cables for your hookups? That is what I am using. I have read on some other threads of people having problems and it turned out to be a faulty HMDI cable. Just a thought.
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post #448 of 816
8/9/10 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by sdsmt_rapid View Post

Hi floks,
I got my 46HX701 yesterday from local COSTCO. The TV looks great. but the picture looks lot more grainier. I watched " Planet earth " blu-ray , In that the sky and clouds appears to have lot of picture grains or noise. and also when i watch the football the players are appeared to be surrounded with lot of picture noise. Is it something which can be changed via settings. Please advise.

Thanks
sdsmt

Can you provide some detail about what your sources are and how they are connected? When you say "The TV looks great." is that before you turn it on?

You may have a defective set, but it's more likely that there is something wrong with your setup.
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post #449 of 816
8/10/10 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Can you provide some detail about what your sources are and how they are connected? When you say "The TV looks great." is that before you turn it on?

You may have a defective set, but it's more likely that there is something wrong with your setup.


Hi,
Thanks for the immediate reply. I was watching "Planet Earth" blu-ray dvd using PS3 connected to the TV via HDMI output. (Only change i did with the setting is turning off the ambient sensor).

Thanks
Sdsmt

if you guys can post the calibrations setting of ur TV it will be really helpful for people like me , who knew very lil about the calibration settings .
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post #450 of 816
8/10/10 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by sdsmt_rapid View Post

... but the picture looks lot more grainier. I watched " Planet earth " blu-ray , In that the sky and clouds appears to have lot of picture grains or noise. and also when i watch the football the players are appeared to be surrounded with lot of picture noise.

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Originally Posted by sdsmt_rapid View Post

I was watching "Planet Earth" blu-ray dvd using PS3 connected to the TV via HDMI output. (Only change i did with the setting is turning off the ambient sensor).

The first point I can make is that a defective HDMI cable will NOT cause the problems that you describe. Also your problems sound more like source problems than calibration problems.

How does your PQ look when you play other Blu-ray movies? There are some parts of "Planet Earth" where the PQ is not as good as it is for most of the program.

I don't know the PS3, but you should make sure that it's set up to pass 1080i ("Planet Earth") and 1080p (most Blu-ray movies) without changing the signal. It should have a "pass through" mode. If you are new to Blu-ray, but have used the PS3 for SD DVDs then it might have the wrong setting.

Without more information, I can't say anything about the football you were watching. Was it a true HDTV broadcast? Some networks do a much better job with American football than others. Quality can vary on the same network too. Even on HDTV channels, football can be a SD 480i signal.

During the original setup for your display you may have been ask where the set would be used. The correct option is "home". Also, there are several modes to choose from. You should be in something like Standard, Movie, or Cinema modes. Maybe someone who owns your model will post the best mode by it's correct name. I don't own your set.
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