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post #31 of 6231
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Originally Posted by vince22 View Post

hi forum,
I got my 630 last night and what a difference from my 4 yrs. old vizio especially 24p bluray movies, visually stunning imho.. still testing for best pq settings. SQ01 does this mean i have a ok panel?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35733400@N08/4429729642/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/35733400@N08/4428964797/

Hi Vince,

Did you purchase this tv from amazon? A couple other members received the 46inch and theres was the SQ01 Panel and they bought from Amazon. I bought one from there yesterday as well and hoping that either the 46 inch is only coming in the SQ01 Panel or that Amazon has a batch of them and I'll be receiving one too
post #32 of 6231
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Originally Posted by Soroc View Post

Hi Vince,

Did you purchase this tv from amazon? A couple other members received the 46inch and theres was the SQ01 Panel and they bought from Amazon. I bought one from there yesterday as well and hoping that either the 46 inch is only coming in the SQ01 Panel or that Amazon has a batch of them and I'll be receiving one too

Not Vince, but I bought the C630 at Best Buy yesterday and it also had the SQ01 panel. Sounds like most have that panel.
post #33 of 6231
Since Fry's Electronics sells the LN40C630 for US$809 (the same price as the Sony KDL-40EX500), I almost have to flip a coin on which TV I should get. Help....
post #34 of 6231
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Can any of the owners take a pic with a black screen in a dark room, backlight set to around 2, so we can see how deep the blacks get on this new model?

Thanks

Hopefully someone will fulfill your request (I need to wait a week before buying mine, otherwise I'd be happy to help), but I don't know how informative that picture would be. Would probably say more about the camera (its light sensitivity, etc) than anything about the TV.
post #35 of 6231
could anyone please measure input lag on c630? I planned to get c650 but I find it ugly while c630 looks really awesome with its slim bezel and no ugly chin/tit.
I'm also interested in 120hz gaming since it'd be hard for me to play in game mode again - I was used to 40Z4500 that had very little lag in 240hz with all image enhancers on but I can't afford another one.
If it's also possible with this tv without incredibly high input lag then it'd make me buy this tv. Can anyone be so nice and test lag in that mode?
post #36 of 6231
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Originally Posted by Soroc View Post

Hi Vince,

Did you purchase this tv from amazon? A couple other members received the 46inch and theres was the SQ01 Panel and they bought from Amazon. I bought one from there yesterday as well and hoping that either the 46 inch is only coming in the SQ01 Panel or that Amazon has a batch of them and I'll be receiving one too

purchase at local frys electronics , all of them have SQ01 stickers on it. I'm don't play games, my 8yrs old son does xbox360, how do i measure input lag for you guys? i have no clue?
post #37 of 6231
Hi. Could somebody tell me please, what screen refresh rate have c650 and c630 models on 1080 when you connect TV to your PC? It is still 60 hz? Are they compatible with nvidia 3d vision? Thanks!
post #38 of 6231
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Originally Posted by cromacl View Post

Hi. Could somebody tell me please, what screen refresh rate have c650 and c630 models on 1080 when you connect TV to your PC? It is still 60 hz? Are they compatible with nvidia 3d vision? Thanks!

Hi cromacl,

I asked this question in the other thread and I received an answer stating if you are hooking your pc up to the tv via hdmi it will accept the 120Hz source so it would be compatible with the nvidia 3d vision but I don't have the TV just yet and I don't have the nvidia glasses to try...

Happy to hear everyone getting the 46 inch c630 is getting the SQ01 panels, that bodes well for me when mine comes in and gives me some more peace of mind buying this tv online
post #39 of 6231
Good timing on starting this thread. I picked up a LN55C630 last night to replace my 5 year old Samsung DLP.

~shoe
post #40 of 6231
It seems to me that the most important question has yet to be answered: Is the PQ on the c650 definitively better than the c630?
post #41 of 6231
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Originally Posted by bloviater View Post

It seems to me that the most important question has yet to be answered: Is the PQ on the c650 definitively better than the c630?

I'm trying to decide between the C630 and C650 also! looks wise the 630 wins hands down. For some reason the samsung website does not have the specs for the 630 up yet. Does it have the Ultra clear panel? Also is the screen Matte finish or glossy?

Looking for opinions from people who have more knowledge - Thanks!
post #42 of 6231
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Originally Posted by prawn_sandwich View Post

I'm trying to decide between the C630 and C650 also! looks wise the 630 wins hands down. For some reason the samsung website does not have the specs for the 630 up yet. Does it have the Ultra clear panel? Also is the screen Matte finish or glossy?

the C630, like all other x630 models, does not have a the UCP. if you want the UPC, and the slightly higher contrast that it brings, you'll want to get the C650. you'll also have more reflection off the screen with the 650, so beware if you're putting it in a well-lit room.
post #43 of 6231
LNB750 series cnet PQ settings as base reference a good start tweaking for optimal settings?
post #44 of 6231
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Originally Posted by bloviater View Post

It seems to me that the most important question has yet to be answered: Is the PQ on the c650 definitively better than the c630?

I got a good look at a local sears of a 46" C630 and C650 that were right next to each other. Spent about a half hour trying to decide which I wanted to go with. Posted my thoughts about it in the Samung 2010 LCD line up thread but its more relevant here so ill copy it over. Remember, I'm no expert, just calling it as I see it.

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I went to Sears last night to compare the 46" C630 and C650, was there for a while trying to get a good comparison. ill post my thoughts.

The C630 is definitely a matte screen while the C650 is more glossy and has the Ultra Clear Panel. My personal preference is a glossy screen as I believe it makes colors pop more. Both the C630 and C650 bezels are much improved from last year's chin models. The C650 does have a slight clearish protrude at the bottom, but I found it not to be a negative in the overall look of the set.

The C650 definitely made colors stand out a little more, but Im not sure I could say it was very significant. I noticed it when I really looked for it, but if I stood back and was more casual, it was tougher to discern. Black Levels were solid for both. I believe the C650's UCP and glossy screen improved the contrast ratio slightly, but I have a hard time buying the 150,000 (C650) and 80,000 (C630) specs just based on what I saw from my eyes. That makes it sound like the level was double the quality, and I didnt see that much of an improvement, while there was a slight improvement.

Once again, im no professional and I just call it as I personally see it, so I encourage anyone considering these two to check them out for yourself. I personally dont really need the internet widgets as with my xbox 360 (netflix) and blu ray player for other stuff, the Internet@TV feature isnt necessary. I was only going to take the plunge if the PQ was worth the extra couple hundred dollars, which I dont believe it was. I'm probably going to go with the LN46C630.
post #45 of 6231
Yesterday was an interesting day for me.

I boxed up my LN40B610 and trekked it down to Sam's Club to make a run at returning it. For those who didnt know, prior to 11/01/2009 Sam's Club had a 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed Return Policy. You could return anything at anytime if you werent satisfied. Obviously, that doesnt make sense for electronics such as TVs, but Sams was way late on the draw in making a different policy for TVs like Costco. Anyway, with relatively little trouble, I was able to return my LN40B610 for a full refund since I still had the receipt. The TV had worked for me so far, but with the drop in prices of the new Samsung LCD line, I could get a bigger TV with more features I wanted (such as PIP which the B610 did not have ) and actually SAVE money.

Anyway, I was all set to order the TV from Amazon when I got home, but there was an HHGregg in the same shopping center as the Sams Club, so I figured I would go take a look at the C630 again. As I browsed the TV selection, a salesman was all over me like usual trying to sell me on stuff. I was polite and entertained his pitches. I mentioned that I know they wont price match online retailers and that it can be tough for them to compete with those prices. To my surprise, he says he would price match an online dealer provided it wasnt an obscure dealer. I asked if he could price match Amazon. He pulls out his smartphone, goes on amazon's website to check their price, talks to his manager, and offers me the TV for the same price as Amazon OUT THE DOOR! (including tax). I was pretty ecstatic since now I dont have to wait and I dont have to worry about it shipping and everything. He mentions I will have to drive to another local store to pick it up since they only have the floor model. Its not far so I have no problem with that.

After checking out a couple TV stands to accommodate my bigger TV (I had been using some cheap plastic-type stand for my 40"), I was walking out the store when the manager and the salesman stopped me. Apparently, the other store said there were 'Sold' tags on their remaining 3 46" C630s in stock. The manager said that was a load of bull and they just wanted to hold onto their inventory but there was nothing they could do. I would have to wait about a week to get my new TV. I was disappointed but I told the manager I needed a new TV stand and he offered the one I was looking at for $100 off for the inconvenience of having to wait. As you can imagine, I was pretty much blown away and accepted the deal.

So now I have a TV stand with no TV for a week haha. Still I was impressed by HHGregg's salesman and customer service. I went into there planning on buying nothing and bought 2 things. But I got them at the price I wanted anyway so it works out. Very impressed with HHGregg!

I will post my impressions of the LN46C630 and hopefully some pictures when I get it later this week. I'm still wondering why Samsung hasnt put up the C630 model on their website yet, but thats a different story.
post #46 of 6231
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Originally Posted by RayChuang View Post

Since Fry's Electronics sells the LN40C630 for US$809 (the same price as the Sony KDL-40EX500), I almost have to flip a coin on which TV I should get. Help....

I am with you.

The one I saw I could have sworn the clear plastic was only on the bottom, but these photos make it look like the whole set is wrapped in that clear plastic. It also looked like it could come off at Best Buy, but the guy working there said it wouldn't.
post #47 of 6231
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Originally Posted by sweetcell View Post

the C630, like all other x630 models, does not have a the UCP. if you want the UPC, and the slightly higher contrast that it brings, you'll want to get the C650. you'll also have more reflection off the screen with the 650, so beware if you're putting it in a well-lit room.

Can anyone who has the c630 confirm this? I plan to visit Best Buy tomorrow to check it out myself!
post #48 of 6231
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by prawn_sandwich View Post

Can anyone who has the c630 confirm this? I plan to visit Best Buy tomorrow to check it out myself!

I have a 40C630 - this information is correct.
post #49 of 6231
Just got my LN46C630 hooked up. I'm very happy with it so far. Currently watching Wild China in HD on Netflix Instant and it is stunning.
post #50 of 6231
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Originally Posted by jarsofwei View Post

I have a 40C630 - this information is correct.

Thanks! With BigRiver having a good price on the LED6300, I've to decide between the 630/650 or spending a couple of hundred more for the 6300. Will go to the Michigan Ave BestBuy today and check all 3 out.
post #51 of 6231
How's the 120hz processor on this TV for gaming? Does it create any artifacts or halo/aura effects? I just returned my LG 42LH40 because the 120hz was HORRIBLE on it. Even on the low setting it created all kinds of artifacts and halo/aura effects while playing games. If anyone here has a LNxxC630/650 and a PS3 or Xbox 360 could you test out the 120hz and see how good it is? I'm about to pull the trigger on the LN46C630 but I want to know how good the 120hz is for gaming first.
post #52 of 6231
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Originally Posted by HeavyMetal84 View Post

How's the 120hz processor on this TV for gaming? Does it create any artifacts or halo/aura effects? I just returned my LG 42LH40 because the 120hz was HORRIBLE on it. Even on the low setting it created all kinds of artifacts and halo/aura effects while playing games. If anyone here has a LNxxC630/650 and a PS3 or Xbox 360 could you test out the 120hz and see how good it is? I'm about to pull the trigger on the LN46C630 but I want to know how good the 120hz is for gaming first.

You're going to have more success using Game Mode on this panel rather than 120hz for gaming.

On game mode, I've measured an input lag of about 60ms, which isn't great but isn't too bad. Then again, I'm not using this tv for gaming.

On a side note, I've noticed my LN40C630 has a bit of a screen uniformity issue, where there's probably a 4 inch vertical column that's a bit darker than the rest of the panel. It's pretty subtle and only shows up when I'm watching soccer, but it's distracting. I'm mulling over swapping this out, but then again, this is my wife's TV and she isn't really bothered by it. Still, it's annoying. It's an AA01 panel, for the record. I think Samsung tends to put SQ01 panels on screens larger than 40", as I've noticed a lot of folks with the 46" have SQ01. Anyone with a 40" care to share what type of panel they got?
post #53 of 6231
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Originally Posted by jarsofwei View Post

You're going to have more success using Game Mode on this panel rather than 120hz for gaming.

On game mode, I've measured an input lag of about 60ms, which isn't great but isn't too bad. Then again, I'm not using this tv for gaming.

On a side note, I've noticed my LN40C630 has a bit of a screen uniformity issue, where there's probably a 4 inch vertical column that's a bit darker than the rest of the panel. It's pretty subtle and only shows up when I'm watching soccer, but it's distracting. I'm mulling over swapping this out, but then again, this is my wife's TV and she isn't really bothered by it. Still, it's annoying. It's an AA01 panel, for the record. I think Samsung tends to put SQ01 panels on screens larger than 40", as I've noticed a lot of folks with the 46" have SQ01. Anyone with a 40" care to share what type of panel they got?


I'll let you know when I take delivery. Where is this vertical column you are noticing....middle, one of the sides?
post #54 of 6231
Big River just sent me an email letting me know my 46C650 got handed of to CEVA. Expected delivery is monday at this point, can't wait to get it.
post #55 of 6231
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HopeInHim View Post

I'll let you know when I take delivery. Where is this vertical column you are noticing....middle, one of the sides?

Probably 1/4 to 1/3 of the way from the left-hand edge. so not quite center, but not way off to the side.
post #56 of 6231
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Originally Posted by mezz64 View Post

Big River just sent me an email letting me know my 46C650 got handed of to CEVA. Expected delivery is monday at this point, can't wait to get it.

Please come back and post your impressions of this set when you get it. There doesnt seem to be too many impressions of the C650 (PQ, features, panel type, etc.) and none in a home setting thus far, and it would help out those who are trying to compare the two.
post #57 of 6231
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Originally Posted by jarsofwei View Post

You're going to have more success using Game Mode on this panel rather than 120hz for gaming.

On game mode, I've measured an input lag of about 60ms, which isn't great but isn't too bad. Then again, I'm not using this tv for gaming.

On a side note, I've noticed my LN40C630 has a bit of a screen uniformity issue, where there's probably a 4 inch vertical column that's a bit darker than the rest of the panel. It's pretty subtle and only shows up when I'm watching soccer, but it's distracting. I'm mulling over swapping this out, but then again, this is my wife's TV and she isn't really bothered by it. Still, it's annoying. It's an AA01 panel, for the record. I think Samsung tends to put SQ01 panels on screens larger than 40", as I've noticed a lot of folks with the 46" have SQ01. Anyone with a 40" care to share what type of panel they got?

Dont have the 40" myself but the two 40" C630 sets I saw at Sears had AA01 panels. The 46" sets there had SQ01. Samsung had plenty of 40" S panels last year so I wouldnt say that all 40" are going to be A panels quite yet. It is possible they changed their sourcing for the 40" sets. Time will tell.

Personally, I didnt see any issues with the A panels I saw at Sears from a uniformity and off angle standpoint. Having a A or C panel may increase your risk of a quality control issue, but I'm not convinced every A or C panel is bad and that every S panel is good. I think its more of a manufacturing QC problem than a panel design flaw.
post #58 of 6231
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Originally Posted by BearcatNation View Post

Dont have the 40" myself but the two 40" C630 sets I saw at Sears had AA01 panels. The 46" sets there had SQ01. Samsung had plenty of 40" S panels last year so I wouldnt say that all 40" are going to be A panels quite yet. It is possible they changed their sourcing for the 40" sets. Time will tell.

Personally, I didnt see any issues with the A panels I saw at Sears from a uniformity and off angle standpoint. Having a A or C panel may increase your risk of a quality control issue, but I'm not convinced every A or C panel is bad and that every S panel is good. I think its more of a manufacturing QC problem than a panel design flaw.

Cool, great info. Like I said, the uniformity issue is pretty subtle and only rears its head in a small number of very specific occasions. Not something the typical consumer would notice, but enough to annoy me, at least
post #59 of 6231
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Originally Posted by jarsofwei View Post

Cool, great info. Like I said, the uniformity issue is pretty subtle and only rears its head in a small number of very specific occasions. Not something the typical consumer would notice, but enough to annoy me, at least

You bring up the most important point of this whole panel debate. If you are happy with the panel you have, who cares if it is a C or A panel? Too many people are scared when they receive a C or A panel without viewing it. If it looks fine, it probably is.

If you notice a difference and it bothers you, try to see if you can get samsung or the place you bought it from to exchange it for you. More than likely, your next one will be fine. Its all QC percentages IMO.

Sounds like the problem is very limited and subtle. I believe you said its your wife's TV and you said she wouldnt notice or care so you are probably good unless you lose sleep over it.
post #60 of 6231
Loved the 52b750, but returned it because I wished it was bigger. Now looking @ 60c630 or 60c6300. Saw the 55c630 next to 52b750, un55b700 & un55b8000. I was impressed with the 630. It is a glossy screen. The 40 & 46" c630 I saw at sears were semi-matte. The 55c630 looked comparable the the 52b750. Looks like Samsung did a one up from last years model and it got some of the b750 quality besides the 240hz. I'm still not impressed with the edge lit models of the b7000 & b8000. I was only looking @ the c6300 because it had the glossy screen, but if the 60c630 is like the 55, i'm sold. Worried about where Samsung will get the 60" panel. I'll still look at the c6300, maybe samsung improved the edge lit for 2010, but comparing the b7000 & b8000 to the lcd, I wasn't impressed with the whites, colors, and off angle issues.
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