Official Samsung LNXXC630/C650 Owners Thread - Page 148

Thank you. Good to know about the film mode to auto1. Wasn't exactly sure what that was or why I needed it.

This is normal. The TV cannot pass through surround audio signals from an HDMI source. I'm guessing that the TV tells the source components that it can only work with a two channel signal so everthing is downcoverted before sending.

I guess it might seem a bit odd but it isn't terribly unreasonable. The optical out couldn't handle a full on HDMI audio stream anyway and even if it had an HDMI out, the TV would need a 7.1 decoder in order to do anything other than just pass through the information.

Ah, thank you for the response. It isn't quite what I was referring to. I'm sorry for not being clearer. :]

To more appropriately rephrase my question, my setup is as such:
PC connected to TV with a DVI-to-HDMI cable. The cable does not pass an audio signal of any kind. To get audio to the TV, I run a standard 1/8" jack from the PC's sound card into the TV's 1/8" receiver jack.

The manual states that you must use the 1/8" jack with the HDMI/1 jack. I'm interested in knowing if you can use the 1/8" audio jack with the HDMI/2 jack, because the HDMI/2 jack is the only one that supports the hidden PC Mode.

There is a particular reason that I don't want to pass the audio signal through the DVI-HDMI, and instead through a basic 1/8" jack. It's a slightly complicated setup, so I won't go into the details, but that's what I'm trying to find out. I must be able to get the audio from the 1/8" jack to come through the TV when it's set for HDMI/2.

Oops. Sorry Gamma, thought I was replying to a different post about the TV's optical output ability. Didn't mean to confuse you.

Perfectly understandable. :]

Originally Posted by jeffw_00
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Hi - I just bought he LN46C630 to replace my LN40A630 (got tired of too small a picture in 2.35:1 movies). I generally like it a lot, seems like an upgrade in a number of ways. However, I have a couple of questions:

1) When I watch one of the (I believe) more compressed cable HD channels (specifically, a recent Law & Order episode on TNT HD (COMCAST)) I originally was getting a "stop-action" effect, where, instead of being smooth, all motion was choppy. I turned off all the auto modes (Digital Filter, MPG filter, auto-motion, and film mode), and it went away (i.e., motion was smooth), but turning any of these back on (except Digital) seemed to start to cause the effect. What's going on here?

2) On the same program source. I know that COMCAST tends to apply more compression to the less popular HD channels, but I'm actually seeing a little fine pixelation as well as a grainy image. I don't think there's anything wrong with the set (HD on CBS and NBC seems fine), but can I do anything to improve the picture?

3) (Just curious)> As I was checking out, I noticed that for "only" $400 (45%) more i could have gotten an LED model. Is there really that big a difference?

Also - some posts here refer to an xx630 calibration thread, but the only one I can find is for the A630 - can someone point me?

Thanks!
/j

Reply from "Buzz"
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1) Comcast is saving money, and, turn off anything automatic.
2) Comcast is saving money, and, not much.
3) No

Bonus: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1243937


New Reply by jeffw_00
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Thanks Buzz - maybe time to switch to FiOS? 8-}

What do I lose by turning off the automatic filters, and (more important) the AMP? Can I still leave film-mode on auto1 (so I get 24p?)

thanks!
/j

is the ln46c650 worth it or are the un models better?

Film mode activates the sets de-interlacer and only affects interlaced input (has no effect on 24p). It will detect and reverse 3:2 pulldown for DVD's and broadcast film source material. I just leave it on Auto1.

Hey hey hey hey hey.. Thanks my friend. You are wonderful.. Now I can get DTS 5.1 sound in MKV films... I couldn't find that option in menu. But after reading your post, realized that tools option.......

Thanks again..

The first half of display calibration is what anyone can do with a calibration disc: brightness, contrast, color, tint, and sharpness. You set your TV so that it displays these things properly. Just about any control labeled dynamic, auto, or in the case of Sony Black Corrector or Advanced Contrast Enhancer (I love that one) is going to dynamically change what you have set based on the programming of someone sitting in an office over in Japan or Korea. I want "my" settings, not theirs.

AMP in particular seems to be despised by everyone on this thread.

Yes on film auto 1 if you use the set to watch movies.

Re: Comcast - my area is finally going all digital next month and at that time will enable two Comcast 3D channels and ESPN 3D. Perhaps this will give them more bandwidth to play with and some of the "HD" channels won't be so compressed.

Thanks again Buzz - I was going to get a calibration disc, but this month's "Sound and Vision" sort of said all 3 they reviewed were lacking - the one that had a funny name (not the Disney, or Essentials) seemed to be the best.

I'm a bit confused. MJDDawg said film mode had no effect on 24p - on my prior set (Ln40A630) I know I had to set -something- to enable 24p for my bluRay discs - is film mode= auto1 the right setting?

Thanks!
/j


PS "all digital" may not be a panacea - they're practically all digital here, but they're competing with FiOS big time, and what FiOS crows is the Quantity of channels, no one talks about Quality (because no one really watches most of the channels anyway, and most of those who do aren't discriminating), so COMCAST is jamming in as many HD channels in as they can - with predictable results. Unfortunately FiOS has them on total bandwidth, so it will be a losing battle. I'm thinking of switching, even though, for reasons I won't bore you with, I have many non-technical reasons to stay with COMCAST.

/j

Go here and download a freebie which also just happens to be as good as anything on the market. It's the only disc I use for full calibrations as well as the basic stuff. If you have a Blu-Ray burner get HDMV (.exe) or HDMV (.7z). If you have a DVD burner get AVCHD (.exe) or AVCHD (.7z)

I can't help you with the film mode setting other than to echo what others have found to work best for them. I only use my set for cable and Roku box apps.

Edit: to my previous post: Don't forget to download the manual too.

I assumed you were already outputting 24p. You do have to enable 24p output on your BD player, but that's it. The set will process 24p automatically (120hz - 5:5 pulldown). There's no setting on the set itself you need to worry about.

Thanks Dawg - maybe that's what I did before (enable on the player).

Thanks For the disk Buzz - I looked at the link and the manual. I'm not sure I'm sophisticated enough to go through this. Doesn't look like there's a step-by-step anywhere?

The calibration disc I was referring to before (best choice from S/V) was "Spears and Munsil". I'm willing to pay $25 if it's the only way to get (virtual) handholding....
/j

When you burn it to a disc, there is a section where you can watch two guys talk about what you are looking for and what you should do. It does not go into too much detail, but helps with the basic settings.

ok thx

I had a dvd calibration and it didn't turn it well so I assume its best to download the bluray version?

Are the "Expert Patterns" useful for anything on the ln46c630? If so, where does one get a clue as to how to use them?
/j

Update: did the calibration this morning - factory settings were right on but it was an illuminating experience - thanks!
tried to do a SW upgrade but not needed.
/j (LN46C630)

Hi there, I recently purchased the LN55C650 LCD and after much reading I can't seem to get a good consensus of how the MKV playback is? For some people it seems to work, for others it doesn't. Is it really picky on the resolution of the file? Also it seems like a lot of issues that stem from wireless connections but I would be steaming directly using Cat5E hidden in the wall which is connected to my router.

Any information would be much appreciated!

Yes, in my experience with any MKV files, it is extremely picky with resolution. Mine is also hardwired, and never had a problem with connection.

IIRC, the manual has some info about what types of files it supports, including the resolution.

I'm on my second LN55C650 from Amazon, and think this one is worse than the first.

The first one went back due to wavy lines I would see in certain scenes. Typically the movie or TV show would have to be very dark. It wasn't always present, but when it was it was annoying and got on my nerves.

In typical fashion Amazon was awesome with the return. Within 4 days I had my new set. A new set with another problem.

The wavy line issue was reproduceable and I've determined is only present in the Natural scene mode. None of the other modes produce the lines. This, I think I can live with.

The second issue TV number two has are trails behind objects. We watch a lot of cartoons and there are trails behind the black outlines of characters. This is also evident as red smears behind other objects, typically not on cartoon source material. This, I cannot live with.

Has anyone seen either of these issues? More importantly, the trails behind objects?

I'd still like to get to the bottom of why one scene mode can cause issues, most likely related to the intensity of the back-light.

Here's to hoping Amazon has a sense of humor and will swap this out one more time.

FWIW, both were SQ01 and dead on looked amazing. Off angles I am getting a red tint to the picture.

Not everyone; I actually like it, and keep in on as high as the programming will allow. When it judders too much, or when I get TBE, I turn it down. I think it gives a realistic look to television programming and movies. To each his/her own.

From experience I have found that my set is somewhat picky if using the DLNA feature. However, since I bought a 1TB external drive I've just been watching my MKVs straight off the drive and there isn't a single movie it hasn't played. There's something funky about streaming video I think. Hardwired external drive is flawless. Also, subtitles on this set are great too!


While I don't agree with using anything greater than 'Clear' AMP for movies, I totally agree for watching sports. I always have either Smooth AMP or custom with everything cranked up when I watch sports.

I'm in a doubt, I have a LN40C650, and found the option of 24p real movie, this model has this option, remember that he had seen, but after I updated the firmware I'm not thinking, can anyone help me?

PS: I have a Xtreamer and activated the option for 24p on it, but I did not think the tv.

NOTE - I hope this post is ok since I didn't mention any final prices or stores.


Hello everyone! I just picked up a LN40C630 and I'm going to have a bunch of questions later in the week. But for now, I thought I would pass along a little story from Yesterday -

Living in Alaska means it's often hard to find the right product at a competitive price. Having made up my mind on the C630, I was limited to about 4 locations here in town... buying online is not an option... Long story short, the best price (on par with the lower 48) was at a grocery/department store... the kind of place that sells food, clothes, camping stuff, electronics, and so forth... mostly a grocery store but more... Well Friday night I bought it and took it home... Last night I happen to be at the same store across town and thought I would check out of they had the same inventory (The one I purchased from was selling the SQ06 panels... Well the second store had the same set with the SQ06 panel, but for $100 LESS!!! Whaaaat? Same store, same TV, only 4 miles apart, and it's 100 bucks cheaper?? I whipped out my receipt, marched right up to the customer service desk, and asked for a credit on my card... they checked the prices and gave me back the difference - no questions asked...

$100 bucks on the LN40C630 is noticeable for sure... a lot cheaper then any online offering right now...

Question - is the SQ06 panel a good one??

I will not mention stores but this set has been consistently $699.99 across the board at several online and retail locations. I picked mine up for $699.99 then price adjusted a day later when the price went down by another $50.00. Received my set on Thursday and right out of the box hooked up the 360....great tv without even adjusting anything. I have copied down a lot of different settings from the calibration thread and will be making adjustments this week when I have time. I purchased this as an extra television in my Father's finished basement for my son and I. The set he had down there was from the pre-historic age when dinosaurs still roamed the earth. I am only over there a couple days per week so I will have to wait until Tuesday before I can play with it again.

does anyone know if hooking up a xbox 360 through vga reduces input lag on the LN46c630????? also will firmware updates fix input lag??? please help


also if someone has hooked it up through vga is it noticably better than using this tv in PC mode?

Don't know if it's been covered here or not, i have searched google with no results. Here goes nothing...

I got a non-powered antenna from my grandparents that they are not using and brought it home tonight to try out on my 46c630. Did the auto program for Air signal and it picked up 13 or so channels. After a few seconds of watching any of the channels the picture is perfectly clear but suddenly goes completely dark and says no signal on every channel (any of the 13 channels). When i try to access the TVs menu everything is laggy and unresponsive...there is about a 5 second delay when i press a button...when i can finally get back to the signal settings, i run the autoprogram again...and it gets 13 or so again....and works fine for a few seconds, then it will go out again...

anyone else had a problem like this?? it's really weird how the TV seems to freak out and become unresponsive when the signal goes out...it doesn't do anything like this on any other input...any suggestions? I've moved the antenna and it's still the exact same thing, and where i live i should have at least 10 channels perfectly clear, no obstacles around me, antenna is near window, and i live in the city...

Quick question: Does anyone else experience picture flickering/blinking when watching Netflix? Today I was watching a couple movies and the TV would occasionally blink/flicker for a split second. It doesn't happen during normal viewing from what I noticed. I'm wondering if the TV is possibly defective (I've got 30 days to return it to Amazon) or if this is something confined to Netflix?