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post #4501 of 6207
12/21/10 at 11:43am
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Could you post your setting for the AA06 you have. I would love to see them. Thanks.
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post #4502 of 6207
12/21/10 at 12:07pm
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Hey guys,

Okay so I need some help here. I'm looking to purchase the LN55C650 (because I have heard bad things about Samsung's LEDTVs and about LED TVs in general) from Costco as BB and FS here in Canada no longer stock the item.

However, I have also (sadly) learned about the panel lottery.

I have recently checked 2 locations at Costco and both carried the AA02 panels and none had the SQ01. I was disappointed so I ended up walking away.

So, I need some advice. Do I grab one of these babies at $1399, or do I wait and gamble again when another shipment comes in and gamble everything because the stock of this TV is dropping.

What are people's thoughts on the AA panels on the C650?

Thanks for the help!

For what it's worth, I have a 55C630 AA02, and managed to find an SQ03, and compared them at home, and liked the AA02 better. The lack of sharpness/detail on the SQ03 was just unacceptable in comparison. I ended up getting yet another AA02 to compare them both for uniformity, and ended up liking the second AA02 a little better for off angle, compared to the first. On all of them, the black tends to go a little grey when you change off-angle, but I'm otherwise pleased with this second AA02. Most of my off-angle watching is probably about 60% off, back in the kitchen, and it's fine. The first AA02 didn't fare as well in that regard. I didn't notice the SQ03 being any better or worse, really.
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post #4503 of 6207
12/21/10 at 12:07pm
I will post them in the calibration forum in a day or two. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1243937
I see a post today there by brushrop03 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post19683051 who has an AA02 panel, which could be helpful as well. I might try the color space and white balance he posted on my set.
For my set, I downloaded the file from here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496 and was able to adjust the basic settings. I then used other users settings for the white balance and color space. I know...not the best way...but best option for now. After that I let my obession continue and made tweeks over the past few weeks. I am sure the professional calibrators will not like my end result settings. To me, it is a perfect balance between movies and sports without causing skin tones and brightness to be out of wack.
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post #4504 of 6207
12/21/10 at 12:22pm
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Yeah, those channels cause problems for me as well. It's annoying, and I'm not sure why it is the case, but I just deal with it and set AMP to clear instead of the custom setting I normally use.

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like some things are just out of our (the consumers) hands.

I am still in a daze over this TV. Incredible that this 2D flat panel can make certain movies seem as near to 3D as one can imagine, w/o being an actual 3-D set.

I have yet to hook up the Direct TV HD box to the C610 via component yet. Would doing this help at all with the judder on certain playbacks or is it not worth the loss of digital signal carried via the HDMI cable?
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post #4505 of 6207
12/21/10 at 4:57pm
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I am thinking about buying this for christmas for someone that games pretty heavily as well as watches Blu-Ray movies.

I am on page 22 right now and going to go through the entire thread but I was wondering how well the input lag is REALLY.

I've read the whole thread. Most say it isn't so hot for gaming, though what is okay for one might not be acceptable for another. A better idea of how it might be optimized and how good/bad it is might be in the calibrations thread.
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post #4506 of 6207
12/21/10 at 5:04pm
Hi guys, I know that the comparison between the LN46C630 and LN46C650 have been asked before and I have read through all the posts.

I know that the 650 have internet while the 630 does not.

I know that the Dynamic Contrast Ratio is 150,000 for the 650 while the 630 is 120,000. I am not sure if the extra 30,000 makes that big a difference but would like you guys opinion on this if possible.

I know that the 650 is clear while the 630 is matted.

What I didn't know is that the 630 has 2 Composite (AV) while the 650 only have 1 Composite (AV). Why would the more expensive TV has 1 less Composite (AV)?

Also when I was checking on the LN55C630 VS LN55C650, I found that the weight of 650 is 61.9 lbs while 630 is 55.1 lbs so anyone know if they are basically the same TV why is the 55 inch 650 7 lbs heavier? The 46 inch 650 and 630 are about the same weight.

Sorry to ask all these questions but I am not only trying to decide between the 46 650 and 630 but might consider the 55 inch if I can fit it in my bedroom.

PS, the main reason why I am considering the 630 is because I don't plan on using the internet function and it will not be hookup even if I purchase the 650.

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post #4507 of 6207
12/21/10 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by grifter024 View Post

I am thinking about buying this for christmas for someone that games pretty heavily as well as watches Blu-Ray movies.

I am on page 22 right now and going to go through the entire thread but I was wondering how well the input lag is REALLY.

I read that the lag of this tv is off the charts 50-80ms if I remember off hand being said in this forum.

I know most tv's are said to be around the 4-12ms range.....and I know that most of the time this number means nothing but for a gamer this is pretty big.

He has an Olevia 37" to be exact a 437 and the lag doesnt seem to affect him all that much on the tv and it is said to be a 8ms response time tv.

IS the Olevia a better tv in response to gaming as opposed to this tv as it stands or will you not even notice on the sammy?

Even with game mode on there is noticeable lag. I find it tolerable most of the time when playing platformers on Wii but I don't play "serious" FPS games on console. The only FPS I've played so far is Metroid Prime and it's not terrible. You can certainly tell when using a mouse with game mode on, it would be near impossible to play COD or Left 4 Dead on this TV IMO.

With game mode off I think the lag is in the 85ms range, not sure what it is off but I wouldn't be surprised if it is still 20-30
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post #4508 of 6207
12/22/10 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post


I know that the Dynamic Contrast Ratio is 150,000 for the 650 while the 630 is 120,000. I am not sure if the extra 30,000 makes that big a difference but would like you guys opinion on this if possible.

I know that the 650 is clear while the 630 is matted.

Don't pay any attention to manufacturer's advertising contrast claims. The actual native on/off contrast of any of these sets is around 3000. Read this. The only way a 150 thousand contrast ratio is possible is with incredibly low black levels and believe me these displays, any of the multitude of panels, are not capable. They must take the measurements power off in a lightless space.

You'll have to look at panels and make up your own mind. I have a 630 matte because the TV is in a brightly lit room. It's fully calibrated and looks great. If you're making a side by side comparison in a store make sure all the parameters are the same otherwise you'll be comparing apples to oranges.
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post #4509 of 6207
12/22/10 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by grifter024 View Post

I know most tv's are said to be around the 4-12ms range.....and I know that most of the time this number means nothing but for a gamer this is pretty big.

Reading the LCD input lag wars thread, I don't think "most" tv's are within that range. I sounds like the average is closer to 20-40ms.

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Originally Posted by grifter024 View Post

He has an Olevia 37" to be exact a 437 and the lag doesnt seem to affect him all that much on the tv and it is said to be a 8ms response time tv.

Note that the advertised pixel response time and input lag are two separate measurements. From what I understand you want both be as low as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respons...y_technologies
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post #4510 of 6207
12/22/10 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by mym6 View Post

Even with game mode on there is noticeable lag. I find it tolerable most of the time when playing platformers on Wii but I don't play "serious" FPS games on console. The only FPS I've played so far is Metroid Prime and it's not terrible. You can certainly tell when using a mouse with game mode on, it would be near impossible to play COD or Left 4 Dead on this TV IMO.

With game mode off I think the lag is in the 85ms range, not sure what it is off but I wouldn't be surprised if it is still 20-30

I play BF BC2, MW2, and now Black Ops on my LN46C650 with my PS3 connected via HDMI regularly, and in game mode these games are wonderful to play. The lag is not that big a deal.
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post #4511 of 6207
12/22/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by drbonbi; View Post

My AA02 panel is terrific.

Dana

Totally agree. My AA02 has been excellent. I posted a while back some pictures of how deep my blacks are. Also - imo matte screens suck. All they do is degrade picture quality. My apartment is sunny as hell so I just turn up brightness a bit during the day and I get zero glare.
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post #4512 of 6207
12/22/10 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post

Hi guys, I know that the comparison between the LN46C630 and LN46C650 have been asked before and I have read through all the posts.

I know that the 650 have internet while the 630 does not.

I know that the Dynamic Contrast Ratio is 150,000 for the 650 while the 630 is 120,000. I am not sure if the extra 30,000 makes that big a difference but would like you guys opinion on this if possible.

I know that the 650 is clear while the 630 is matted.

What I didn't know is that the 630 has 2 Composite (AV) while the 650 only have 1 Composite (AV). Why would the more expensive TV has 1 less Composite (AV)?

Also when I was checking on the LN55C630 VS LN55C650, I found that the weight of 650 is 61.9 lbs while 630 is 55.1 lbs so anyone know if they are basically the same TV why is the 55 inch 650 7 lbs heavier? The 46 inch 650 and 630 are about the same weight.

Sorry to ask all these questions but I am not only trying to decide between the 46 650 and 630 but might consider the 55 inch if I can fit it in my bedroom.

PS, the main reason why I am considering the 630 is because I don't plan on using the internet function and it will not be hookup even if I purchase the 650.

Thanks

Don't even believe data found on Samsung's own site. Download the manuals and look at the inputs/outputs, weight, etc. There is some difference in bezel and maybe base, but don't remember that much weight difference. The 610 shares a manual with the 630 and the 600 has a separate one for those looking at these variations. I know Samsung's website has component connections wrong with these (think it say 0 or 1 when there are 3 - I seem to remember without looking) which gets propagated around the internet. /Dan
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post #4513 of 6207
12/22/10 at 1:05pm
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Don't pay any attention to manufacturer's advertising contrast claims. The actual native on/off contrast of any of these sets is around 3000. Read this. The only way a 150 thousand contrast ratio is possible is with incredibly low black levels and believe me these displays, any of the multitude of panels, are not capable. They must take the measurements power off in a lightless space.

You'll have to look at panels and make up your own mind. I have a 630 matte because the TV is in a brightly lit room. It's fully calibrated and looks great. If you're making a side by side comparison in a store make sure all the parameters are the same otherwise you'll be comparing apples to oranges.

Thanks for the response. I was leaning toward the 630 because I have no need for the internet because I don't plan on using it. Was just wondering if the 650 was worth the extra cost because it was 30,000 contrast ratio more than the 630. I do like the matted screen since I would not have to worry about lighting in my bedroom.
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post #4514 of 6207
12/22/10 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by danki6x View Post

Don't even believe data found on Samsung's own site. Download the manuals and look at the inputs/outputs, weight, etc. There is some difference in bezel and maybe base, but don't remember that much weight difference. The 610 shares a manual with the 630 and the 600 has a separate one for those looking at these variations. I know Samsung's website has component connections wrong with these (think it say 0 or 1 when there are 3 - I seem to remember without looking) which gets propagated around the internet. /Dan

Thanks Dan for the response. Just wondering if the 630 and 650 are basically the same TV, why the 630 would have an extra input.

If the 30,000 contrast ratio is not a big difference then I will probably purchase the 630 and save a couple of $ however the prices between the 630 and 650 seems very close now.
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post #4515 of 6207
12/22/10 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post

Thanks for the response. I was leaning toward the 630 because I have no need for the internet because I don't plan on using it. Was just wondering if the 650 was worth the extra cost because it was 30,000 contrast ratio more than the 630. I do like the matted screen since I would not have to worry about lighting in my bedroom.

I have the C650 and one of the main reasons I bought it was because of the Ultra Clear Panel (UCP). Yes it's glossier than the 630, but in my view the pop of the picture and deep blacks it provides makes the C630's picture look dull. Also, my set is in a well lit room and I have no issues with glare or reflections from the UCP.
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post #4516 of 6207
12/22/10 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by csun213 View Post

Thanks Dan for the response. Just wondering if the 630 and 650 are basically the same TV, why the 630 would have an extra input.

If the 30,000 contrast ratio is not a big difference then I will probably purchase the 630 and save a couple of $ however the prices between the 630 and 650 seems very close now.

I agree with Dan.
Samsungs documentation, website and printed material isnt
very accurate and we can only hope more care is taken with
the technical and assembly side.

There is a 6 or 7 pound difference with the 55C610/630 and the
55C650 but this may not be correct as Samsung copies a lot of
their documentation from previous years and in some cases do not
make corrections so the weight may not be accurate.

My 46C650 does have 2 component inputs so I assume all
units in the C650 series are the same.
I believe the 55C650 and the 55C630 are clear panels.

This is a clip from Samsungs brochures.
Reading this, one could assume those units are equipped
only with HDMI,USB and PC inputs.

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CONNECTIONS C650
4 HdMI® (High-definition Multimedia Interface):
3 back, 1 side
HDMI® makes it easy to connect your home
theater with one cable per component.
Anynet+ (HdMI-CEC): Allows peripheral
AV devices such as a DVD player to be controlled
by a Samsung TV remote control.
2 USB: 2 side
1 PC input: 1 back

CONNECTIONS C630
4 HdMI® (High-definition Multimedia Interface):
3 back, 1 side
HDMI® makes it easy to connect your home
theater with one cable per component.
Anynet+ (HdMI-CEC): Allows peripheral
AV devices such as a DVD player to be controlled
by a Samsung TV remote control.
2 USB: 2 side
1 PC input: 1 back
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post #4517 of 6207
12/22/10 at 2:09pm
Potential buyers should keep in mind that the 55" c630 comes with the Ultra Clear Panel just like the c650. The smaller sized c630 panels have the matte finish.
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post #4518 of 6207
12/22/10 at 2:30pm
I have a movie that has 2 soundtracks, the default is Spanish.
Does anyone know if I there is an option somewhere in the
tools feature that will allow me to select the English track.
I will check it myself but probably wont get around to
doing so until the New Year.
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post #4519 of 6207
12/22/10 at 3:00pm
Just bought a 46'c670 from BB. Saleperson tried to sell me a $69 HDMI cable. Said that the one that Mediacom cable gave me with HD cable set was for 60hertz and I needed one for 120. Said I could tell the difference by the color of the plug--silver=60, gold=120. So is there a difference??
Also the mediacom cable says 28AWG HDMI version 1.3b. Will that work with the TV?
Thx
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post #4520 of 6207
12/22/10 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by benjamin2 View Post

I have a movie that has 2 soundtracks, the default is Spanish.
Does anyone know if I there is an option somewhere in the
tools feature that will allow me to select the English track.
I will check it myself but probably wont get around to
doing so until the New Year.

How are you playing it? Via USB drive, or network, I'm assuming?
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post #4521 of 6207
12/22/10 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by bgrewbe View Post

Just bought a 46'c670 from BB. Saleperson tried to sell me a $69 HDMI cable. Said that the one that Mediacom cable gave me with HD cable set was for 60hertz and I needed one for 120. Said I could tell the difference by the color of the plug--silver=60, gold=120. So is there a difference??
Also the mediacom cable says 28AWG HDMI version 1.3b. Will that work with the TV?
Thx

That salesman is full of crap. Any HDMI cable will do, and generally cheaper is better. Just google "hdmi cable quality".

Edit: I should clarify and say that while cables are classified for supporting HDMI 1.2 or 1.3, the 1.3"gold" standard offers few real world benefits. Good summary here: http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11276_7...?tag=page;page.
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post #4522 of 6207
12/22/10 at 3:49pm
Thanks alot for the quick reply
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post #4523 of 6207
12/22/10 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by TahoeDust View Post
Potential buyers should keep in mind that the 55" c630 comes with the Ultra Clear Panel just like the c650. The smaller sized c630 panels have the matte finish.
Not necessarily. When I bought my 40C630 last spring it seemed they all had SQ02 matte panels. This is no longer the case.
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post #4524 of 6207
12/22/10 at 4:22pm
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Thanks alot for the quick reply
These are the most advanced HDMI cables. Although ethernet is overkill you might want the capability in the future.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...02&cp_id=10250
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post #4525 of 6207
12/22/10 at 6:17pm
Has anyone been able to fix the lip sync problem with the audio. I mostly use the tv for usb movies and tv shows and some are ok and others are not. They play perfectly in sync on another tv and on my computer, but not on the sammy. I thought I had it fixed by changing the AMP settings, but its still there. Its just off by a fraction, but annoying the heck out of me. I search through dozens of pages on the forum without an answer. I badly want to keep this tv because the picture is great. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Im also having problems as others have stated with the menu lagging and sometime downright freezing. Sometimes during a freeze I cant even turn the damn tv off and I have to pull the plug. This shouldnt be happening.
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post #4526 of 6207
12/22/10 at 6:40pm
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How are you playing it? Via USB drive, or network, I'm assuming?
I will be playing it via USB.
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post #4527 of 6207
12/22/10 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post
Not necessarily. When I bought my 40C630 last spring it seemed they all had SQ02 matte panels. This is no longer the case.
Everything I've seen indicates the 55C630 has a UCP
panel.
LL
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post #4528 of 6207
12/22/10 at 7:09pm
Do you think a C630 can be flashed with C650 software? Or do you guys think it is actually different hardware too? It would be fun to do just for the heck of it.

Franke46
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post #4529 of 6207
12/22/10 at 7:45pm
LN55C630. UCP panel here (shiny, not matte), used in the basement, full ambient light control.
one week old.
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post #4530 of 6207
12/23/10 at 10:50am
Here are several angle test videos of my LN46c630 with panel SQ05. Notice the skin tones turn purple and and gets washed out on most of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlgYv9SPZg8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTKTTeX-20U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhvsLZM_pv0

Let me know your set is like this as well whether you have the same panel or not. Thank you.
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